Today’s anti Peter Jackson story

November 26th, 2012 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

In today’s anti Peter Jackson story, the Herald discovers that Peter is not still in touch with everyone he knew or worked with 25 years ago.

What a cad.

Hasn’t the plethora of anti stories in recent weeks been a great example of the NZ tall poppy syndrome.

What a pity that there haven’t been stories interviewing people who have worked with Jackson recently. I recall at the public rally in Wellington to stop the unions moving The Hobbit offshore, how so many people got up and spoke of what it was like to work with Jackson. They spoke of his qualities as both a director and a human being.

Of course Jackson is not universally popular with every person he has ever known or worked with. Who is? But everything I have heard is he is held in far higher esteem personally by those who work with him than  almost all other directors and producers of his caliber.

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54 Responses to “Today’s anti Peter Jackson story”

  1. Keeping Stock (10,443 comments) says:

    Tall Poppy Syndrome is alive, well and living in New Zealand. I wonder if Helen Kelly will be attending the Hobbit premiere.

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  2. infused (660 comments) says:

    It’s actually a disgrace. Read the article. Oh I thought he would have kept in contact. Ah stfu. Why didn’t you keep in contact with Peter?

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  3. Morgy (172 comments) says:

    Right. I am seated with coffee in hand ready to go……..so, where is the story? Oh ok……there isn’t one…..

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  4. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    You know those boozy dudes you used to kick around with a bit during your university student days?

    You’re actually wedded to them for life, like it or not.

    You’re not allowed to move on to other things, have a career, etc.

    Real life is just an extension of Facebook, you know…

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  5. jams (48 comments) says:

    I work in the welly film industry and am always impressed with with PJ. And no I don’t expect a Christmas card, we’re very well looked after and give 120% in return.

    Every small no budget film I’ve helped out on for new directors, everyone is very buddy buddy and you chat a lot seeing as the motto of onset is always “Hurry up and wait around” (there’s always someone who needs a few minutes to do their job, you need to wait patiently and pounce when it’s your turn)
    You get to know some people really well but there’s countless people I’ve never spoken to again once the production ends, it’s not that you don’t like them, it’s just that when you’re in that environment it consumes all your time and energy. it’s hard enough to keep up with family let alone people who are on other projects that are in the same boat as you.

    Look at the credits on PJ’s films, there’s a lot of hard working people who have been with him for 20+ years

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  6. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > the public rally in Wellington to stop the unions moving The Hobbit offshore

    Except there was no chance of it moving offshore. At least try to pretend to be honest…

    [DPF: No chance, except there was a global boycott on it if it remained in NZ!]

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  7. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Perhaps there is increasing animosity towards Jackson because he’s dishonest. The Hobbit was never going to be made overseas and he knew it. He lied to the public. But that’s ok according to DPF.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10695662

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  8. scrubone (3,105 comments) says:

    Ross69: Dead horse. Stop flogging.

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  9. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    ross69,

    That is the Helen Kelly / CTU meme. If the govt had not stepped in to negotiate, the movie was gone.

    Repeating Helen’s line over and over won’t actually make it true.

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  10. sparky (235 comments) says:

    It is only the loser’s putting down Peter Jackson.

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  11. jams (48 comments) says:

    The Hobbit had already been held up for years by the MGM financial issues, If it didn’t go into production when it did, the option rights to make the Hobbit would expire and revert back to the previous holders. Sure they’d have to scrap some sets already made here but what’s the cost of that compared to loosing the rights?

    Shooting all the studio and location work in Europe except for a little bit of NZ Helicopter scenic shooting would be an easy option.

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  12. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    [DPF: No chance, except there was a global boycott on it if it remained in NZ!]

    Rubbish.

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  13. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    Ross69 –
    Tell us, please…

    having Helen Kelly’s hand so far up your arse that she controls the movements of your mouth like a sock puppet…

    Does it make you feel like more of a man, or less of one?

    http://www.examiner.com/article/the-hobbit-peter-jackson-warner-bros-meeting-new-zealand-monday

    Helen Kelly says the union wants to meet with the production company to talk about wages and working conditions. She claims that Warner Bros. wants to move the film offshore to save money through tax breaks elsewhere. Philippa Boyens says the company was fully behind a New Zealand shoot and that British actors were going to come down to NZ and earn less money than the New Zealand actors. Peter Jackson says the New Zealand actors on this movie, for the first time, were going to earn part of the profits.

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  14. Morgy (172 comments) says:

    Normal conversation with Ross69: “Hey Ross, the All Blacks beat Wales!!” Ross69 “No they didn’t!!”

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  15. jams (48 comments) says:

    The unions attacks were never about the conditions on the hobbit. They launched the international boycott before speaking to any of the producers on the hobbit, the contracts were some of the best in the world and far exceeded what the union was demanding except the union wasn’t part of it. They were clearly trying to drum up some publicity off the back of the of the biggest show in town. Except it backfired badly on them, which is hardly surprising seeing as the MEAA, the same union that destroyed the Australian film industry was behind it.

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  16. Keeping Stock (10,443 comments) says:

    Is Ross doing a 69 with Helen Kelly?

    Sorry for illnesses created or coffee spilt, but the question had to be asked :P

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  17. Alan Johnstone (1,087 comments) says:

    What happened to my post of this thread ?

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  18. scrubone (3,105 comments) says:

    I mean, seriously. Does anyone actually think that the law change National made “for WB” was a bad one? I always thought it was re-implenting sanity into our employment law. The bad part was that it was only for one industry.

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  19. Dave Stringer (188 comments) says:

    I did some work as an extra on the Hobbit and can testify that Peter Jackson is a down-to-earth person, who mixes easily with people at the very bottom of the ladder (like me) as well as his fellow knights of the realm. His easy-going style, coupled with a dedication to perfection, make him easy and delightful to work for and a kiwi-bloke without pretention, airs or graces.
    Those who knock him as a tall-poppy and try to cut him down should look at all the wonderful things he has done for New Zealand and Wellington in particular, then build a bridge, stand under it and get over themselves – yes, I know it’s impossible, as is removing envy from the dreadfulls of this country!

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  20. scrubone (3,105 comments) says:

    I wonder if the unions have worked out yet just how much this country despises the brand of unionism that almost toppled the hobbit.

    We are so lucky in this country that the unions were broken back in the 90s.

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  21. BeaB (2,150 comments) says:

    No wonder Peter Snell buggered off.

    Helen Kelly will be the next Labour leader. She knows how to hog the media and press their buttons.
    She also knows exactly how to twist the facts and still look as though butter wouldn’t melt in her mouth.
    She’s putting on weight though (that shirt was almost popping open on TV yesterday morning) so she is either expecting or following the Labour women’s hefty example.

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  22. Morgy (172 comments) says:

    If this keeps up one day Sir Peter and Fran will say f**k this and leave. Just another one who will realise that powerful (albeit minor in number) forces don’t want NZ to be a successful optimistic country but prefer to be myopic, short sighted and insular and come hell or high water, they will make sure of it.

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  23. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    heh. Of course the Hobbit wasn’t going offshore. The very idea is preposterous. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. But I can understand why some would, quite desperately it seems, want to convince themselves that it is true. Having been well and truly manipulated by Sir Jacko and his bros at Warners, it is understandable that some are feeling just a little bit dirty. Dirty at having waged a vicious and unseemly attack on good people such as Robyn Malcolm and Jennifer Ward-Lealand. I suspect some of the big mouths in here are feeling just a little sheepish over the way they carried on. Well they should do, if they had any humility. Remember those “protest” rallies, with those earnest crowds holding up “NZ is Middle-Earth” signs? Total waste of time, I’m afraid. “The Hobbit is in our DNA”, “We are not a state of Oz” were some of the messages relayed to the unwashed masses from Sir Jacko, who naturally could not attend in person. As Craig Smith points out in the article, Sir Jacko is not only a great film maker, but also a ruthless businessman, and cunning as a weasel with it!

    [DPF: I love how the hobbit haters try to rewrite history. The unions instituted a global boycott against The Hobbit so long as it was produced in NZ. This was not threatened – it was actually implemented. If they had won their campaign to turn all contractors into employees, I doubt we’d ever get a major production again]

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  24. BeaB (2,150 comments) says:

    Dean Papa

    Did you read what Morgy wrote?

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  25. Bykmad (21 comments) says:

    Hey, Where’d Ross go. Oh, the facts got in the way of the story.

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  26. Keeping Stock (10,443 comments) says:

    @ Dean Papa – any credibility you might have had went out the window with Dirty at having waged a vicious and unseemly attack on good people such as Robyn Malcolm and Jennifer Ward-Lealand. I suspect some of the big mouths in here are feeling just a little sheepish over the way they carried on.

    Do the words “global boycott” seem familiar? It was the MEAA from Australia who instituted one of those, on behalf of Actors’ Equity in New Zealand.

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  27. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    “Do the words “global boycott” seem familiar?”

    I’ve a very vague memory of some talk about a boycott. Did they call it off?

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  28. Elaycee (4,410 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock:

    Is Ross doing a 69 with Helen Kelly?

    No, No, No, No, Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo…… Dear God, No!

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  29. RF (1,455 comments) says:

    Wellington is buzzing with Hobbit fever. Nice to relax at the Hummingbird Bar and spot the actors. Looking forward to the films. Have yet to spot a Hobbit hater but I guess they’re hanging out in the sewers under the street.

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  30. sparky (235 comments) says:

    Helen Kelly is nothing but a slob, with a big mouth, and NO brains.

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  31. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Jackson is a douchebag.

    It is a common complaint among famous directors.

    Nevertheless, still a douchebag.

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  32. RightNow (7,013 comments) says:

    Jackson and those who stood with him will remain heroes in my eyes for seeing off the union gangsters trying to force their protection racket into NZ. It’s the same with opposition to charter schools, union mobsters trying to protect their rackets. The days of unions are numbered, their demise will be a boon to New Zealand.

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  33. RF (1,455 comments) says:

    RightNow. 6.07pm.

    I agree 100%. Its something to do with tall poppies and envy. Both left wing traits. I bet you more than a few of these left wing tossers will be sneaking in to view the hobbit films for “research”.

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  34. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    Amen rightnow.

    But when the revolution comes, he will no doubt be hanged from the same lamppost as that other notorious class traitor, Sir Peter Leitch…

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  35. mikenmild (11,798 comments) says:

    Yes, l’affaire Hobbit was pretty much a landmark in our labour-relations history, right up there with the ’51 waterfront lockout and the boilermakers’ antics in the 70s.
    Was it about an insecure industry feeling threatened that their special status might be in danger and that their accustomed (but illegal) labour practices and generous taxpayer subsidies might be taken away?
    Why does the film industry need protection denied to other industries?

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  36. Dave Stringer (188 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson (208) Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
    Jackson is a douchebag.

    It is a common complaint . . . . . . . . . . .

    Nevertheless, still a douchebag.

    Do you always talk about yourself that way Mr. Jackson

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  37. Dazzaman (1,146 comments) says:

    Is he unpopular? Well…..how about that then.

    Time for another cuppa.

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  38. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Fuck me, the union little men and hacks are on OT tonite. They must really hate their country.

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  39. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    Is a knighthood like a military award?, can you get a KNZM and bar?.

    If so Sir Peter should be awarded the bar for helping to smash the union movement.

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  40. mikenmild (11,798 comments) says:

    Sir Peter Jackson is a Knight of the New Zealand Order of Merit, which is the third rung on the ladder, so he could be promoted to Distinguished or Principal Companion of that order. More importantly, he is already a member of the Order of New Zealand, our highest honour, so he is unlikely to be showered with many more civic honours. Unless the Queen or her successor become particular fans, in which case the Order of the Garter or the Order of Merit become possible.

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  41. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > If this keeps up one day Sir Peter and Fran will say f**k this and leave…

    Really? Why would they leave when they’ve never had it so good? Of course they might continue to get negative publicity but that’s what happens when you’re dishonest and undermine your workers.

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  42. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    Who are these Hobbit haters I keep hearing about? There is no reason to be hating the little fellows, as far as I can see? Okay, admittedly the reputation of Hobbits has been slightly tarnished through their being used in a propaganda campaign prostituting New Zealand to the rest of the world. But their good reputation goes back further than that. They were after all the creation of one J.R.R. Tolkien, an English fantasy author, poet, philologist, and uni professor. Hobbits, as far as I can tell, have no real links with New Zealand, no matter how desperately some Kiwis might like to appropriate this piece of classic English fantasy literature for themselves. As a proud Kiwi I refuse to accept that NZ is Middle-Earth!

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  43. mikenmild (11,798 comments) says:

    We are a great movie set, with cheap skilled labour, but New Zealand is a little bit more than scenic parts of Middle Earth. Could we say we are 7.8% Middle Earth, or maybe a bit more?

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  44. Elaycee (4,410 comments) says:

    ross69:

    Of course they might continue to get negative publicity but that’s what happens when you’re dishonest and undermine your workers.

    Dishonest? A big statement – but of course, a claim short on fact. And not for the first time, the bullshit emanates from the keyboard of ross69… who clearly didn’t read the comments above from people who have worked with Sir Peter J within the industry. Somehow, their opinion of Sir Peter J are diametrically opposed to ross69’s – quelle surprise.

    But now that you have raised the topic of employee relations, how did your hero Matt McCarten get on with paying back the employee PAYE contributions he failed to pass on to the IRD? Any update on that ross69?

    Nah – thought not.

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  45. jams (48 comments) says:

    @mikenmild

    I like to think that New Zealand is more then just the scenery. If you take New Zealand as our thousands of crew, our set builders, our caterers, our visual effects ninjas, their families and support network, our world leading technology and artistry, the fans and well wishers who are proud of what we do and the students I’ve talked to who are inspired that we have and that they can do this level of work in NZ.

    Looking at it that way Middle Earth would be about 97% New Zealand (I’ll give you that the score was recorded in London)

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  46. dime (10,137 comments) says:

    its a miracle PJ stays in NZ. Dime wouldnt.

    Then again, Dimes movie would probably go unfinished after he was found dead in a hotel room with 3 hookers and a kilo of blow…

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  47. jams (48 comments) says:

    Dime,

    That’s what you have Producers for, they would make it look like you died saving kittens from a runaway concrete mixer.

    Then they’d finish the kilo of blow.

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  48. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Re the Jackson interview on RNZ:

    Issue 1: Please miss, please keep subsidising my hobby so I can turn it into a business in which my share of the profits is roughly equal to the subsidy NZ taxpayers kindly contributed.

    Issue 2: Please miss, please keep subsidising my hobby so I can turn it into a business in which my share of the profits is roughly equal to the subsidy NZ taxpayers kindly contributed.

    Issue 3: Please miss, please keep subsidising my hobby so I can turn it into a business in which my share of the profits is roughly equal to the subsidy NZ taxpayers kindly contributed.

    Oh, and by the way, thanks for changing your employment laws to what I have always wanted so that saves me the bother of actually negotiating with those nasty unions who demand stuff, you know, things, [hat tip to Bill O’Reilly] you know, pesky annoyances like workers not wanting to be fired at will so they can budget and pay their mortgages.

    Sheer brilliance from PJ. While we go to the TPP negotiations going bwahaaa about worldwide subsidies constraining our processed grass sector, we are busy doing exactly the same in another sector.

    So much for “Governments can’t pick winners” and “Government can’t create jobs” theology.

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  49. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Jackson is still prattling on about how close the Hobbit came to being moved overseas. He might convince some of the idiots on KB but that’s about all. Jeez you’d think the guy would move on…he is making himself look like a right royal twat.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/8002142/Misunderstanding-in-Hobbit-spat

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  50. Mary Rose (393 comments) says:

    ross69 (1,063) Says: November 26th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    Perhaps there is increasing animosity towards Jackson because he’s dishonest. The Hobbit was never going to be made overseas and he knew it.

    Peter Jackson, Nov 27
    “[Warner Bros] had sent a location scout around England and Scotland to take photos, and they literally had the script broken down to each scene, and in each scene there were pictures of the Scottish Highlands, and the forests in England… and that was to convince us we could easily just go over there and shoot the film,” he told Radio New Zealand.

    Do explain, Ross, how those two match up. Do you think he’s making it up about Warner Brothers? Were they just bluffing? Or what?

    Maybe his isn’t moving on because people keep claiming they know better than him what was going to happen?

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  51. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    So Mary Rose, you say WB would want to move from a lightly regulated environment to one whose employment laws are subject to stringent EU requirements? And where Actors Equity holds sway? Even when the release date is already set in stone?

    Interesting.

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  52. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    And Mary, maybe you could look thataway <—–

    http://tumeke.blogspot.co.nz/2012/11/peter-jackson-tries-to-re-edit-history.html

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  53. Mary Rose (393 comments) says:

    Luc, I have no idea. But neither – unless you have some special inside information – do you or Ross.
    You are just speculating and accusing Jackson of exaggerating or lying.

    Given that the key actors are British and American, and flying them down to NZ for filming isn’t especially convenient, and given that the UK has a film industry, I could speculate that WB would be
    happy to make films there.

    If you have any proof, rather than speculation, feel free to provide it.

    edit: quick check. WB made the Harry Potter films. In the UK.

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  54. Mary Rose (393 comments) says:

    Luc, followed your link
    ‘There is no connection between the blacklist (and it’s eventual retraction), and the choice of production base for The Hobbit. What Warners requires for The Hobbit is the certainty of a stable employment environment.’

    As I read that, Warner Bros WERE prepared to film it in the UK, or wherever. If they didn’t think NZ was ‘a stable employment environment’.

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