A sure sign of being dodgy

December 22nd, 2012 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Kurt Bayer at NZ Herald reports:

The parents of a man who threatened to exhume a 90-year old man’s body believe he has been affected by a new church in which the pastor believes in faith-based healing.

“He’s not been long with the church, but long enough for them to get their hooks into him,” said the man’s father yesterday, after their son contacted Harold Ritchie’s relatives again, asking to meet them at the grave so he could “raise the body”.

Police took the 25-year old into custody when he arrived at the Ruru Lawn Cemetery in Bromley, Christchurch, and referred him for a psychiatric assessment.

On Wednesday, the man turned up uninvited at Mr Ritchie’s funeral service. He banged on the coffin and told the deceased man to “wake up”.

If he had woken up, there would be a lot more people worried about the Mayans!

Mr Sansom said he, too, had joined Fellowship Church last month and the move had been “life-changing”.

The church is led by “Pastor Peter”. Neither he nor anyone in his congregation would reveal his full name.

My rule of thumb is if someone refuses to reveal their surname, they are a dodgy as fuck con artist.

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38 Responses to “A sure sign of being dodgy”

  1. Viking2 (11,569 comments) says:

    Probably a Moprmon as well. They are all dodgy con artists.

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  2. Viking2 (11,569 comments) says:

    sorry Mormon. blasted edit doesn’t wok when ya need it.

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  3. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    On Wednesday, the man turned up uninvited at Mr Ritchie’s funeral service. He banged on the coffin and told the deceased man to “wake up”.

    Perhaps the Labour Party should get him as strategic advisor.

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  4. Manolo (14,066 comments) says:

    “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”
    Albert Einstein

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  5. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Imagine if he woke up…

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  6. Scott Chris (6,176 comments) says:

    Pastor Peter may or may not be dodgy as fuck but I think it’s unfair to blame the actions of a psychiatrically disturbed man on the church he’s just joined.

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  7. Jimmy Smits (246 comments) says:

    There is absolutely nothing in that man’s actions that contradicts with the Bible. Kowtow, Scott, Andrei, etc. All have no issue whatsoever testifying to that. No doubt they will come up with some stupid excuse as to why Jesus’ words do not apply in this instance and that they are still absolutely certain that Christianity is valid and what have you. Cherry picking dumbasses.

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  8. iMP (2,422 comments) says:

    Churches attract nutters and the intellectually or socially challenged, because its one of the few places where they receive kindness, a gentle word and people’s time of day.

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  9. wat dabney (3,809 comments) says:

    He’s not a nutter, he’s a true believer. The genuine article.

    His crime is to embarrass the other 99.999% of so-called Christians and flush out their actual lack of belief: That stuff in the Bible where multiple people are raised from the dead? Just so much cock. Never going to happen.

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  10. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    My rule of thumb is if someone refuses to reveal their surname, they are a dodgy as fuck con artist.

    What if they reveal JUST their last name?

    [DPF: Heh, slightly better]

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  11. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    His crime is to embarrass the other 99.999% of so-called Christians…

    I bet Jesus is turning in his grave!

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  12. Scott (1,818 comments) says:

    A couple of points come to mind. What was the person’s mental state before they started going to that church? It is easy to blame the church but perhaps they were merely guilty of giving him the time of day? Perhaps they are the only people who will befriend him?
    Secondly raising people from the dead is not an everyday occurrence certainly. Lazarus is an example that comes to mind but that was 2 millennia ago.
    Generally we pray for the sick and ask God for healing.
    But again does this church encourage praying for the dead? Probably not methinks.
    It seems likely to be the case of a mentally disturbed man acting out his malady. Blaming the church seems a long bow to draw.

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  13. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    Secondly raising people from the dead is not an everyday occurrence certainly. Lazarus is an example that comes to mind but that was 2 millennia ago.

    Didnt happen. Sorry to be the one to break it to you.

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  14. Scott (1,818 comments) says:

    You know this how? You were there?

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  15. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,920 comments) says:

    Kimble @ 1:30

    That is either the funniest comment in years or the dumbest classic of all dumbarses.

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  16. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    If someone set up an organisation and called it a youth group, or a sewing circle or a scrapbooking group, members of said group started running about behaving like loons, and it was ascertained that they were being encouraged to do so by someone who called themselves a youth leader or seamstress of chief scrapbooker, the authorities of all stripes wouldn’t hesitate to zoom straight over and intervene. People’s rights to scrapbooking wouldn’t come into it – the negative effects of the group’s influence on its members would be the only consideration.

    But call your collection of loons a church and suddenly everybody stands round wondering whether stopping the exploitation of the mentally ill and emotionally needy is interfering with their right to religious worship. The only other organisations that get this kind of a free pass, no matter how crackers their members may be, are political parties.

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  17. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    If someone set up an organisation and called it a youth group, or a sewing circle or a scrapbooking group,

    I have heard that scrapbooking groups are hot beds of sex and general depravity, unfortunately there are no links to verify this but if it were not true what is the point?

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  18. nasska (11,808 comments) says:

    Rex

    You also have to consider how you would go about defining such insanity. For instance walking around in see through underwear, in private, on your own property is considered mildly eccentric…….the same on Lambton Quay at lunchtime would probably see you on the way to being committed.

    Similarly anything strange that occurs in a church or the Greens’ caucus is unlikely to raise an eyebrow.

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  19. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    My rule of thumb is if someone refuses to reveal their surname, they are a dodgy as fuck con artist.

    Try asking the call-centre person their surname next time you call IRD, or you’re having a techie help with an internet issue

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  20. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    @nasska

    You can tell when people are walking round on Lambton Quay wearing see-through underwear? Then I feel I should warn you, “The mirrors on my shoes are just there to add spangle to my tap dancing routine, officer” probably isn’t going to fly…

    And while we’re at it, another warning. Given that not wearing underwear at all and hopping out of a low-slung car is a sure path to publicity for those who’ll do anything to be popular – just ask Brittney Spears or Anne Hathaway – next time you’re on Lambton Quay I would look away if a Crown limo carrying the PM pulls up beside you.

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  21. nasska (11,808 comments) says:

    Rex

    …”next time you’re on Lambton Quay I would look away if a Crown limo carrying the PM pulls up beside you.”…..

    I haven’t worried about that eventuality since the 2008 elections. :)

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  22. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Nasska

    You’d be more worried about Darren Hughes ‘pulling off’ beside you

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  23. nasska (11,808 comments) says:

    PEB

    “Worried”? Petrified would better describe it!

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  24. John Sefton (4 comments) says:

    Good old Pentecostal days: the Toronto Blessing. Went to see a guy from the Toronto Vineyard to see what he was like. He gave a talk about how ashamed he was that he didn’t have the guts to try raising the dead at a particularly emotional funeral he was at at his own church, saying that by refusing to do so he was letting “the fear of man” quench the Holy Spirit. Nevertheless, he encouraged people at this church not to make the same mistake – don’t be afraid; big things come from bold actions. I cringed in my seat when I foresaw what his advice to the impressionable in the audience could do. It seems that Pastor Peter is of the “do boldly as I say; not as I do” camp.

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  25. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    You know this how? You were there?

    Ummm… were you there when Elvis high-fived Evil Elvis, his double from Bizarro world?

    No, I wasnt present when something that never happened, didnt happen. Or maybe yes I was. Is no one present when something doesnt happen, or is everyone present? If everyone is there, what about people that never existed?

    In either case, we know YOU werent there, so you cant even satisfy your own criteria.

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  26. nasska (11,808 comments) says:

    Kimble

    The prayer beads will be taking a flogging tonight while the faithful seek the good oil on your questions. :)

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  27. iMP (2,422 comments) says:

    Winston Peters can raise from the dead. Aunt Biddy at Bowelwaters Home for the Bewildered (a life time member) said so. Actually, most of his list MPs are dead, NZF was also dead, but like a zombie, it came shambling back…

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  28. Andrew McMillan (50 comments) says:

    My rule of thumb is if someone refuses to reveal their surname, they are a dodgy as fuck con artist

    Crikey! Does that rule also stand for this blog, where around 90% of your commenters who go by a first/nick name?

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  29. mikenmild (11,742 comments) says:

    Rules for ordinary folk don’t really apply on Kiwiblog.

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  30. orewa1 (410 comments) says:

    Sounds like a cult to me. (A religion is defined as what I believe in; a cult is what you believe in.)

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  31. ChardonnayGuy (1,216 comments) says:

    Methinks the poor young chap was bitten by the Polyester Stupidity Flea, which inhabits the preferred fabric choice of fundamentalist Christians…

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  32. noskire (842 comments) says:

    A sure sign of being dodgy is a person who doesn’t swing their arms when they walk.

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  33. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    At least he was a non-violent headcase. I can’t speak for how non-violent I’d be if someone tried to gatecrash a funeral of someone I knew and started doing really dumb shit.

    If I was dead in the coffin and nutter *did* bring me back to life I’d use my second turn to promptly *kick his arse*.

    reply to nasska: see-through underwear on Lambton Quay? It’s ok… it’s just a slutwalk protester. Or a very misguided attempt at answering calls for further public sector transparency.

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  34. BlairM (2,365 comments) says:

    There is absolutely nothing in that man’s actions that contradicts with the Bible.

    I have to disagree. Bursting in on a funeral of someone you don’t know to try and raise them from the dead is pretty rude and discourteous. It’s not showing love for your neighbour. It’s also against the will of God, because if it was God’s will then clearly it would have worked, for one thing.

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  35. wat dabney (3,809 comments) says:

    Bursting in on a funeral of someone you don’t know to try and raise them from the dead is pretty rude and discourteous.

    Brilliant line.

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  36. Scott (1,818 comments) says:

    Replying to Nasska. No I wasn’t there but the accounts of the miracles of Jesus were written by those that were. Sadly we see a lot of lazy atheism these days. You too have a faith. There is no God, there are no miracles, the universe is all there is.
    I hope this Christmas God will break into your world and convict you of his existence and his love. Even for those who deny him.
    Merry Christmas to all kiwiblog readers.

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  37. nasska (11,808 comments) says:

    Scott

    I’m going to hope that you meant to type “convince” rather than “convict”. :)

    In any case all the best for the festive season to You & Yours. May Your God go with you.

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