Allowed to remain a teacher

December 19th, 2012 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

I am staggered. The Herald reports:

A teacher tried to hire a gang member to assault her principal because she was being hassled about lies she told to the school, a disciplinary hearing has found.

So she hired a gang member to assault her principal and she lies to her school.

The disciplinary tribunal heard the teacher also fabricated grades for work not done by students, forged the head of department’s signature, and lied about what classes she had taught.

And she fabricates grades, forges signatures and lies about classes taught.

The disciplinary hearing was to establish if she should be deregistered as a teacher.

The tribunal said the “difficult decision” in the case was whether the responsibilities to the public and the profession could be met without deregistering the teacher.

“We have concluded that we can [meet those responsibilities] but only after very careful consideration and by the finest of margins,” the report says.

Yet the Teachers Council says she can continue as a teacher!! What do you have to do to be degregistered? Actually have the gang member do the kneecapping?

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56 Responses to “Allowed to remain a teacher”

  1. thor42 (780 comments) says:

    Unbelievable, it really is.
    There are FOUR things there, any one of which in most workplaces would get you summarily sacked.
    Useless bloody Parata should step in in this case and sack both the teacher AND the council. Crusher Collins sure as hell would.

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  2. shoreboy57 (116 comments) says:

    As long as you are a paid member of the Union, you are just fine

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  3. bc (1,252 comments) says:

    What a load of rubbish shoreboy57. This has nothing to do with the union. It is a Teacher’s Council decision.
    But I guess you couldn’t resist a chance to union bash.

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  4. bc (1,252 comments) says:

    Now first of all I agree that the teacher should be have her registration cancelled – before all the attacks start coming saying that I’m defending the teacher.

    However, DPF has (deliberately I gather) left out a LOT of information about this case. He has not mentioned:
    - that the teacher has resigned
    - that the Teachers Councils conditions on her remaining as a teacher are so restrictive (and costly to a school) that no school would ever consider hiring her

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  5. OneTrack (1,977 comments) says:

    The mind absolutely boggles. I doubt even actual knee-capping would be enough for these guys.

    From the Herald article “She said she “did not intend to harm the principal’s or school’s reputation”. His reputation might be fine but she didn’t mention his knees.

    And they think she is suitable to be in front of children. The Teachers Council obviously has no idea. No respect for teaching as a profession when this stuff happens. Must protect one of their own and screw anybody else.

    Not impressed with the police either. Diversion? For something like this.

    And what is to say they she won’t now demand utu and get the job done anyway.

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  6. berend (1,602 comments) says:

    The same group who doesn’t like “unregistered” teachers. I.e. as a school you cannot employ someone you’d like, you need to get the permission of this group. Try hiring someone with a PhD, but without some supposed teacher qualification.

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  7. Left Right and Centre (2,397 comments) says:

    That sounds pretty bad. They should have deregistered her.

    That’s the easy answer.

    However, for all you know… people sometimes are *genuine* about feeling remorse and wanting to reform themselves.

    I know from myself that people can and do change.

    *If* that’s the case this time… if she *never* puts a foot wrong in the future and behaves perfectly… then surely there’s a case to be made for a second chance?

    Is it actually believable and conceivable that apart from merely covering her own arse and saying *anything* to be allowed to continue… that a person might just actually *learn* from their mistakes and behave as expected by the teaching profession.

    Just saying!!

    It is, I fully appreciate, a gamble giving people a second chance. Sometimes it’s a worthwhile option. I hope so in this case.

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  8. berend (1,602 comments) says:

    bc, not true. The conditions are:

    he tribunal decided conditions for the teacher to meet before she could go back to the classroom, including that she obtain a report from a psychiatrist confirming her “psychological health is sufficiently robust”, provide a copy of her disciplinary report to future employers, complete professional development courses and undergo intensive supervision for a 20-week period.

    PS: I’m fine if a school wants to hire her, if a school is allowed to know her history. If a school decides to go ahead, ok. But I assume this little incident won’t be registered anywhere, and conveniently forgotten in a few months.

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  9. berend (1,602 comments) says:

    Where’s the edit button?

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  10. nasska (9,550 comments) says:

    bc

    Your assertion that the union has nothing to do with the matter is a trifle disingenuous. A quick look at the FAQ’s on the NZ Teachers Council website indicate that a teacher subject to a complaint is allowed a support person as a representative. I would think that there would be few cases where this would not be a union official if the teacher is a union member.

    As such the union official would be well versed in the ways of the Committee or the Tribunal. The Disciplinary Tribunal is made up of registered teachers and members of the New Zealand Teachers Council who undoubtedly will be union members past or present.

    You would have us believe that a group so clearly biased towards teachers could be expected to deliver unbiased decisions.

    Amazing!

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  11. Akaroa (487 comments) says:

    Re:bc at 4.15.

    OK. So, if I understand you correctly, she quit and the conditions imposed by the Teachers Council (TC) are so restrictive that she’ll never front a class again?

    That sounds about right to me. Problem solved!

    However! (And there’s always a ‘however’) Are the restrictions open ended, or do they lapse after a time?

    Also – and forgive my ignorance of the politics of the teaching profession – Is the TC the same as the Union?

    And, if it isn’t, will the Union have anything to say about this matter?

    And – (forgive my cynicism about Teachers and their Union) – how likely is the Union to say, “Unfair! Reinstate her – or else!!”

    Just curious is all.

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  12. YesWeDid (1,003 comments) says:

    Meanwhile in other education news….

    We have the resignation of the secretary of education, Lesley Longstone, and the recent court decision allowing Salisbury Residential school to stay open next year.

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  13. Nick K (919 comments) says:

    And to think the Left are opposing Charter Schools on the basis that teachers do not have to be registered.

    Presumably, if this teacher remains registered, to the joy of the idjits on the Left, she can teach at a Charter School. But a University Professor, with no teaching qualification, couldn’t.

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  14. dime (8,785 comments) says:

    yeswedid – you stupid ideologue. go threadjack somewhere else. or maybe talk about that particular resignation in the right thread. deflect deflect deflect. people like you are nothing but trash.

    now, on the subject.. cant believe this didn’t get her deregistered. who wants someone like this teaching their kids???

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  15. RRM (8,997 comments) says:

    A teacher tried to hire a gang member to assault her principal…

    :lol: Tried… what, the gang member wasn’t prepared to stoop to the high school teacher’s low ethical/moral level?

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  16. bc (1,252 comments) says:

    berend @ 4.35pm

    The Teachers Council conditions that:
    a) The teacher must undertake ongoing professional development, and
    b) Undergo intensive supervision for 20 weeks
    have to be met from a schools operations grant – they are additional costs to a school. They would be so cost prohibitive that a school wouldn’t consider hiring her.
    Also she has to provide copies of her disciplinary report when she applies for jobs. That should put her out of the running for a start.

    I suspect that she did show remorse and a desire to improve herself which would have stopped her being deregistered, but due to the seriousness of what she did the Teachers Council have imposed some tough conditions. And quite rightly so in my opinion.

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  17. transmogrifier (518 comments) says:

    As a teacher, all I can say is: deregister her. Kick her out.

    The Teacher Council conditions are merely pointless paperwork that encourages more time to be spent on such an open-and-shut case than is needed (and thus increasing bureaucratic bloat) and further making the entire teaching industry look like wishy-washy, non-transparent fools.

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  18. bc (1,252 comments) says:

    nasska @ 4.40pm
    Yes but shoreboy57 has provided NO evidence that she belonged to a union and has provided NO evidence that she seeked representation from a union at the disciplinary meeting.
    It was just a feeble opportunity for him to union bash.

    Akaroa @ 4.41pm
    The Teachers Council is the teachers professional body. Much like Lawyers, Doctors etc. It is compulsory for teachers to pay for this as its main function is to ensure teachers are registered. Teachers must renew their registration. Of course most of the medias attention is around disciplinary situations. It is NOT a union although teachers can be represented by their union in disciplinary cases.

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  19. bc (1,252 comments) says:

    Nick K @4.49pm
    Before you get too excited about charter schools it may interest you to know that a charter school could hire her even if the Teachers Council did deregister her!!

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  20. bc (1,252 comments) says:

    Transmogrifier @5.41pm
    I tend to agree. Based on what we know I think she should be deregistered too. She reflects poorly on the profession.
    Of course we don’t know what went on at the meeting, we only have the juicy details from the media.

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  21. jedmo (27 comments) says:

    wheredo I read of concern for the student in her care / charge, being asked to arrange a hit on someone – puts vulnerable student in a dilemma, totally abuses teacher-ppupil relationship. This person would be taking other colleagues down with her, if her colleague who she confided in hadn’t acted professionally, and alerted the principal of the matter. But can only blame her friend for dobbing her in. No, not learnt any lessons imho

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  22. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,684 comments) says:

    Why am I thinking it’s a dollar to a dime this charmer will be a fully paid member of the tangata whenua?

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  23. HB (267 comments) says:

    I am a teacher.

    The conversation regarding this story in my staffroom is that we are unanimously DISGUSTED at the Teachers Council.
    We collectively pay thousands to them (we have to, to be registered) and they repay us with this?
    Seriously, WTF do they do? I have read their strategic plan (etc) and there were so many things they say they do or say they are planning to do THAT THEY DON’T.
    Teachers in my staffroom are VERY anti the Teachers Council.

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  24. HB (267 comments) says:

    also, in reply to above question.

    The Teachers Council is nothing to do with the PPTA or NZEI.

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  25. bc (1,252 comments) says:

    That’s very interesting HB, and perfectly understandable. Teachers that act professionally at all times certainly have the right to be disgusted at someone that brings their profession into disrepute.

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  26. HB (267 comments) says:

    I am interested that there are so many ‘education’ focussed stories here today.

    Deflecting incompetence and calls for ‘performance pay’ whilst other media announces a pay rise for our MPs?

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  27. nasska (9,550 comments) says:

    bc

    How are the members of the Teachers’ Council selected & appointed?

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  28. HB (267 comments) says:

    oops
    apologies to DPF
    story about pay increase for MPs further down the page after all the anti-teacher posts.

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  29. bc (1,252 comments) says:

    I don’t know the answer to that nasska. Have you had a look at their website?

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  30. nasska (9,550 comments) says:

    bc

    I’ve had a quick look through the website but the make up seems very secret squirrel. All I could find was:

    …..”The New Zealand Teachers Council is an Autonomous Crown Entity. It consists of the decision making body of 11 Councillors, two statutory advisory groups, judicial committees and a tribunal, and the supporting organisation of about 40 staff headed by a Director. “…..

    Ref: http://www.teacherscouncil.govt.nz/

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  31. bc (1,252 comments) says:

    Found it in one page click nasska – I’m sure you could have done that!
    On the Teachers Council main page, click on About Us. You get the following:

    What is the New Zealand Teachers Council?

    The New Zealand Teachers Council is the professional and regulatory body for registered teachers working in English and Māori medium settings in early childhood education, schools and other related education institutions in New Zealand.

    The New Zealand Teachers Council aims to support the professional status of teachers and high quality teaching and learning through its mandated functions.

    The New Zealand Teachers Council:
    registers teachers
    approves programmes for Initial Teacher Education
    engages in research and other professional projects to support the teaching profession
    supports the maintenance of professional standards through competence and discipline processes and judicial bodies.

    How is the New Zealand Teachers Council organized?

    The New Zealand Teachers Council is an Autonomous Crown Entity. It consists of the decision making body of 11 Councillors, two statutory advisory groups, judicial committees and a tribunal, and the supporting organisation of about 40 staff headed by a Director.

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  32. bc (1,252 comments) says:

    Oh snap, nasska – I did the same thing!!

    Not sure what an “Autonomous Crown Entity” is. I’m guessing it is formed by the government but they don’t have to follow any political viewpoint. ???

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  33. lazza (296 comments) says:

    And HeyZoos wept. I like the Crusher idea but … fire the tribunal.

    Don’t they realise what damage and insult their actions signify to the majority of hard working devoted teachers.

    I think I will emigrate … to GBI if all this crap* is allowed to continue.

    Sloppy or worse behaviour of our public sector equals sloppy NZ Inc performance on so many levels …

    * Try PikeRiver, The Rena, CTV building, Auckland Council, Kaipara DC and the Bloody Hobbitt (OOps no offence Big Pete).

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  34. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Lazza

    the new fuckwit , welcome, but you wont be around long, a sample of your comments so far are the hackneyed ones rolled out by the leftie of the month thinking they are cutting edge, sadly they are the same old boring ones that have been seen numerous times… but do keep trying, there is hope that something original may spring forth but not liking the chances it will be from you

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  35. Anthony (737 comments) says:

    There are far too many councils, commissions, boards, etc that are independent Crown entities but yet are full of self opinionated nobodies with a few political connections or look good on paper. Often these organisations have staff that are more knowledgeable and qualified than so called councilors or commissioners who are paid hundreds of dollars an hour to make the decisions. Peter Dunne had the right idea in reducing the number of Commissioners in the Families Commission from four to one but refused to enter into a debate that this might be a good idea for all the other commissions.

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  36. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Peter Dunne had the right idea

    When? bullshit. Oh dear

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  37. nasska (9,550 comments) says:

    Anthony

    We’re both on the same page. It’s incredulous that a body that seems to be organised on strictly autonomous lines & probably sets its own income can employ forty staff & keep another forty odd hangers on in clover to boot.

    Talk about jobs for the girls.

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  38. bc (1,252 comments) says:

    In that case, nasska, feel sorry for the teachers that are forced to pay for them!!

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  39. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    Of course they weren’t going to deregister her, they’re not idiots! You should have seen the size of the gang member she took with her to the tribunal!

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  40. Anthony (737 comments) says:

    Peter did take credit

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1112/S00029/dunne-families-commission-refocused-to-deliver-for-families.htm

    But maybe it was Paula who forced the change

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/editorials/7012456/Editorial-Shake-up-good-for-Families-Commission

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  41. Cactus Kate (538 comments) says:

    Sounds like she has a fabulous career ahead of her as an MP for the Mana party

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  42. Kimble (4,095 comments) says:

    What a load of rubbish shoreboy57. This has nothing to do with the union. It is a Teacher’s Council decision.
    But I guess you couldn’t resist a chance to union bash.

    Which of these items would make the news?
    1) The Union defending this incompetent and dishonest teacher, or
    2) The Union acting in the best interests of students and revoking her membership then working to make sure she doesnt work with children ever again.

    Unless we see the second happening, it is fair to assume they are doing the first.

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  43. SPC (4,675 comments) says:

    The standards are set at the top, if the Minister is allowed to remain there are no standards.

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  44. mikenmild (8,894 comments) says:

    Kimble
    I think you are confused about the role of a union. A union provides support to members through grievances or disciplinary processes. That does not mean any judgement by the union of the actions of a member. In the case of teachers, the professional judgement is exercised by a government institution, the Teachers Council; completely separate from the NZEI or PPTA, which are voluntary associations of members.

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  45. rightoverlabour (61 comments) says:

    I am a teacher and hold the view that the Teacher’s Council is the biggest waste of time the and money (as we HAVE to belong to this useless organization). They claim they keep up standards of teaching by ensuring that immigrant teachers are police checked (unnecessary as you can’t immigrate without one), and check the qualifications (also redundant as NZQA does this). Everyone of the paedophiles caught recently were registered teachers. They are pedantic about their paper work and fees collection, but keep no records of important documentation and are completely inflexible. And they make these kinds of ridiculous decisions.

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  46. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    Abolish the Teachers’s Council. Mrs kk has been forced to pay them them 10′s of thousands of $ over the years, and their function (if it can be called that) is completely unnecessary.

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  47. mikenmild (8,894 comments) says:

    Give registration responsibility to the Ministry of Education and establish a separate disciplinary tribunal, serviced by the Ministry of Justice if necessary.

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  48. Nigel Kearney (747 comments) says:

    Since charter schools will not need to employ registered teachers, any teacher who teaches in one can choose to de-register and save some money. I’m sure the teacher unions will welcome this. They are always asking for teachers to be paid more.

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  49. backster (2,000 comments) says:

    Are these the same people so critical of the reforms the former CEO and current minister are trying to implement, and why are the mainstream media not making much of a deal about it.

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  50. hamnidaV2 (247 comments) says:

    The decision says her representative was Megan Williams, not a union or union official:

    http://www.teacherscouncil.govt.nz/cac/dtdecisions/nztdt2012-26.pdf

    http://www.aminz.org.nz/Person?Action=View&Person_id=1111

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  51. RRM (8,997 comments) says:

    What happened to hamnida V1?

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  52. hamnidaV2 (247 comments) says:

    RRM – Don’t know. The Kiwiblog/WorldPress system would not accept my password or re-send it via email, so I set up HamnidaV2.

    I thought I might have been banned for mocking Peter Jackson, but I only have 20 demerits according to the board.

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  53. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “…….“We have concluded that we can [meet those responsibilities] but only after very careful consideration and by the finest of margins,” the report says…..”

    Exellant News!

    That now validates the return of corporal punishment in private schools! :cool:

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  54. Kimble (4,095 comments) says:

    A union provides support to members through grievances or disciplinary processes. That does not mean any judgement by the union of the actions of a member.

    Thats fine. But then dont try and tell me that they are also advocates for NZ students.

    Every time they protest something, they try and tell us “this policy will hurt students”. Every damned time. And its bullshit about as often.

    The government is interested in the welfare of students. Parents are interested in the welfare of parents. Teachers unions are interested in the welfare of teachers.

    And I am not saying they shouldnt be. The only controversy is that they LIE at every opportunity about their motives.

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  55. mikenmild (8,894 comments) says:

    Is there something that prevents teachers from being interested in the welfare of students?

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  56. MsHaitch (2 comments) says:

    This is sadly indicative of the attitude currently prevalent, as demonstrated by some really shoddy employment decisions come to light recently. Tell your boss at the bus company to shove their job up their a**? Then realise that the job might actually be handy for paying for board and the milk and bread? I was under pressure and forgot my manners. Okay. I decided to forge an email from my boss, blackening his reputation, thinking it will never be traced back? Oops. Oh well, I don’t want to lose my lucrative job and shiny reputation….let’s put it down to the fertility drugs and get all my well-positioned mates to vouch for me. Okay. Beat up my wife because I’m stressed out, then come crying because a conviction would affect my ability to complete the course I am doing and secure a high-paying, respected career outcome? Okay. (As if being a surgeon will never ever put me under any pressure ever again. Oh well, there’s always the old punching bag.) Then this. What the judgement-makers in these situations seem to forget is that these people’s actions, particularly the last three, are that these speak to something in the person’s deeper character, that, as members of the supposedly respected professions of the law (cough), medicine and teaching, are supposed to uphold certain moral characteristics that make them worthy of this respect. Should I not care that my lawyer is dishonest when it suits, that my surgeon, sworn to do no harm, beats his spouse, or that my child’s teacher, a so-called rolemodel for respectful and measured thinking and behaviour, attempted to have the principal knee-capped. True, they may deserve another chance, and never stray from the path again, but surely they should have had the initial where-withall attributed to their professions to have made these situations impossibilities to begin with. Such actions perhaps speak to a fundamental unsuitability for the roles they have chosen in the first place. Oh well, time will tell.

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