Fran lashing out

December 14th, 2012 at 8:04 pm by David Farrar

An update to the post on The Nation, as Fran O’Sullivan has been adding up 2 and 2 to get five.

I saw (I think on Twitter) a reference to a story saying The Nation was not being funded next year by NZ on Air. I followed the link to a website I had never seen before called NZ Inc. The story seemed definitive “news spread last night that The Nation has missed out on funding for 2013so I blogged a story on it. I did the story at 9.18 am and set it to appear at 2.00 pm. Most of my stories are done earlier in the day and then set to appear later.

I didn’t even note on the website whom the author was, and as I said the site was previously unknown to me.

I then left home to go to Te Papa for the preview of their Gamemakers display (opens tomorrow).  On the taxi ride there at 11.55 am I saw a comment by Fran O’Sullivan that The Nation will be back in 2013 and she stands corrected. I took this to mean that TV3 would be funding it, but then saw a further comment that NZ on Air was in fact funding it.

I then commented that this means the NZ Inc report was wrong, and I must go change my blog post lamenting it set for this afternoon.

That was the intention. I wasn’t sure what time it was set for exactly (as I do 10 a day), but anyway by the time I finished at Te Papa and headed to the airport, it was just after 2 pm when I got to go into the blog to edit the post. I do Facebook and Twitter easily from the iPhone, but significant editing of a blog post on a phone is incredibly difficult to do.

I got to the Koru Club, started up the laptop, and found that the post had already appeared, which annoyed me as I preferred not to run incorrect information.

I did a quick update to the blog the post at the top, stating the report was wrong and expressing some mild displeasure that the site I quoted hadn’t lived up to their tagline. It was only as I did that update I even realised that Fran was one of those behind the site.

Anyway Fran then lets loose on Facebook claiming my post was a “bitchy little hissy fit“,  and I was “just being an asshole cos he can be” and “He is just wanting to snipe from the sidelines. Nasty and stoking ill-will in an ill-advised manner.”

The irony may not escape people of Fran claiming I was being the nasty one.

I responded to Fran explaining the post was pre-timed, but she then effectively called me a liar. I have absolutely no time for people who doubt my word, and behave like that.

Fran doesn’t seem to have considered that if I really was wanting to damage her (and God knows why she thinks I am someone who would want to) then I would hardly have posted on her Facebook page noting the correction and saying I plan to change my blog entry. I could have said nothing at all. I could have rushed the post forward to do maximum damage, so that it got out there before the corrected version did. Her interpretation is ridiculous when you consider I made the comment myself that I planned to update it.

Sure I could have in the update acknowledged that the discovery that the story was wrong, had occurred a couple of hours earlier, but it doesn’t change the fact it was wrong and I didn’t think it was material what time the error was discovered. My commenters had already caught on that the story was wrong, and the link went through to the corrected story.

At the end I’m just surprised that Fran has such a thin skin, and turns so nasty when it is her who ran an incorrect story. We’ve all run stories that have proven to be incorrect. I don’t even mind pushback that the correction could have referred to the time, but as I said I detest people who call me a liar. I never ever will say something I know to be false (usual disclaimer around jokes, pranks etc), and as far as I know this is the first journalist to ever claim otherwise.

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28 Responses to “Fran lashing out”

  1. gazzmaniac (2,317 comments) says:

    Who is Fran O’Sullivan?? Never heard of her.

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  2. David Garrett (6,400 comments) says:

    Well Fran if you are reading this (I don’t that Facebook thingie) I can confirm that when Mr Farrar has run guest posts of mine they are always set up well in advance..e.g. sent to him on Saturday, he tells me it will run at 10 am on Monday…

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  3. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Fascinating.

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  4. Reid (15,942 comments) says:

    She’s one of the best journos in NZ gazz, works for the Herald on business. She equals if not surpasses Phil Kitchener in skill and insight notwithstanding each works in different journalistic disciplines (investigative vs economic).

    I know we’re not supposed to point this out but I recall a thread a few days ago on an article by a woman saying women weren’t moody at all whereas someone in the comments pointed out this contradicts the experience of around 50% of the human population. Well perhaps this is just another demonstration of how this never happens.

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  5. Zapper (926 comments) says:

    I enjoy her writing, she’s one of the best in NZ and stands head and shoulders above 90% of her contemporaries.

    She’s clearly lost the plot over this one though. It’s not that hard to accept someone at their word (obviously excusing certain people, David Bain, Joe Karam etc).

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  6. wreck1080 (3,730 comments) says:

    Oh I’m sure many people have become a little upset over internet/email misunderstandings.

    A bit silly on Frans behalf but we don’t have her side of the story (do we?) and an understanding of whatever pressures she may have been under or not.

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  7. Rex Widerstrom (5,259 comments) says:

    It looks as though the comment you refer to, DPF, has now vanished and instead her response to your comment that you must change your blog post is “yes please do David”.

    She’s not the first person to re-write history by deleting / amnding what they’d said in the past but you’d think someone used to writing for the newspapers, where no such magic can be worked and an embarrassing “correction” is your only fix, would be more careful in the first place.

    But what I don’t understand – and clearly I’m missing something – os why Fran would imagine a post (even an incorrect one) saying a program was no longer to be funded was some sort of attack on her? It’s not as though she is NZ On Air…

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  8. Rex Widerstrom (5,259 comments) says:

    Oh, and FGS fix the blog’s edit function, willya? How am I supposed to feign erudition at this rate?! :-D

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  9. Barnsley Bill (975 comments) says:

    Fran is without a doubt one of our finest dead tree press journalists.
    However I will never forgive her for not writing the electoral fraud story she was gifted prior to the 2005 election.
    It would have seen Clark leave office in disgrace 3 years earlier and saved us from the economic terrorism that Cullen inflicted upon us in their last term.
    Fran has her reasons for failing to do the right thing but I will never forgive her.

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  10. Doug (405 comments) says:

    Lesson number one David you can never ever win, just grin and bear it. It’s the only way to keep the peace.

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  11. gazzmaniac (2,317 comments) says:

    Reid – it’s difficult to convey sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek comments in a written environment. Which I find difficult since I can be quite a sarcastic person.

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  12. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Rex – that boat sailed long ago, mate.

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  13. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    Fran knows you’re a dyed-in-the-wool Labour lite supporter and she’s more of an ACT follower. :D

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  14. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    David – there is no one so thin skined as a female whose beliefs are to the left and who spend most of their time having a go at other people whose ideas are not in line with theirs.

    I watch parliament and sometimes its almost frightening watching the women of labour during parliament especially during question time. they carry on like demented people. You dont see it from the men.

    I have no doubt that the main spectators during the Roman times when they put christians in with the lions were women – and theyd be the ones cheering the loudest and the ones calling for “more, More”

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  15. Berliner (16 comments) says:

    Barnsley Bill – What is this electoral fraud story you are talking about that was “gifted” to me pre the 2005 election?

    I certainly recall the Peter Doone papers being shopped to me just prior to the 2005 election (well after they had been shopped to press gallery journalists who did not do anything with them) by various National Party bloggers operating as Antarctic Lemur et al. Frankly, I was annoyed they came to me so late in the piece when I was already completely time committed on a major Herald event Mood of the Boardroom ahead of the election.

    Please tell me more about the other heinous crime you cause me of which sounds like failing to be the vehicle to get Clark out?

    Fran

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  16. Viking2 (11,128 comments) says:

    Well todays editorial about the National Gorilla isn’ t that flash either.

    Looks like a once over lightly read to pimp Collins as the new PM.
    God forbid, she woulds be worse then Shipley, who frankly turned into a dismal failure from a point of promise, much like mouth and trousers Richardson.
    All this I suspect to support the current female objective of more female bums on highly paid seats regardless of ability.

    Time for some time out. Your work has gone backwards quite some lately.
    But then even your freinds wouldn’t tell you.

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  17. labrator (1,746 comments) says:

    It’s not as though she is NZ On Air…

    I don’t understand her motivation at all either. Was she this is upset when the Almight Johnson’s funding was cancelled?

    However I will never forgive her for not writing the electoral fraud story she was gifted prior to the 2005 election.

    More please, I don’t recall this either.

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  18. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    I like reading Fran’s Herald columns but in recent months, she has shifted her rightwing political philosophy & morphed with that lefty Bernard Hickey in calling for more government interference in the markets. Fran & Bernard now hold the same lefty views.

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  19. orewa1 (428 comments) says:

    “Well todays editorial about the National Gorilla isn’ t that flash either.”

    Exactly, Viking. I usually respect Fran’s work, but both her attack on DPF yesterday, and her uncritical adulation of Collins today, make me wonder whether she needs a break more than the rest of us.

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  20. mikenmild (10,686 comments) says:

    It is possible for a person’s political or philosophical positions to change over time.

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  21. magsta (252 comments) says:

    @Berliner,
    r u really Fran?
    Y the poor gramma and spelling?

    I really can’t be bothered with pseudo pseudo identities……
    I’ve tried changing my log-in to reveal the true me… but I’m too much of a novice to know how to do this…..
    I put in a pseudonym originally, because I thought that was necessary to get into this blog site.

    maggy wassilieff

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  22. Berliner (16 comments) says:

    Really Falafulu? Bernard and I are poles apart on his main crusades such as monetary policy – I don’t go along with the RB launching QA; we have different views on TPP and the US and FTAs for that matter; housing policy – again hardly on the same page.

    But there are areas where Govt should get involved in standarsd setting and regulation – earthquake building standards as just one example. And Govt can do more re youth unemployment.

    But it is a stretch to say we hold the same lefty views when demonstrably we don’t.

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  23. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    Mikemild, that happens all the time. However, when a journo like Fran of which I admire & like her writing jumps ship to the other end of the political spectrum opposite to mine, then I abandon reading her writings.

    Not PC pointed out the following.

    Fran O’Sullivan jumps Bernard Hickey’s shark

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  24. Berliner (16 comments) says:

    magsta I just haven’t gotten round to changing the login back to Fran O’Sullivan.

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  25. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    However, when a journo like Fran of which I admire & like her writing jumps ship to the other end of the political spectrum opposite to mine, then I abandon reading her writings

    That’s the sign of a small mind. So is thinking highly of NZ journalism. Yuk Yuk…

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  26. Viking2 (11,128 comments) says:

    Fran,
    nice to have you in the discussion, which is necessarily robust, though not always to ones liking.
    I have followed your columns for years and have to say that we really do need a red blooded capitalist to say plenty in this country of mediocre socialists and their mouth pieces in the media. An uphill battle I suggest, especially at Fairfax.

    Collins is a control freak no better than Clark and not as subtle. Certainly isn’t a red neck capitalist which is more what we need. Key was never going to be one but is a decent fellow, but a trader no less. Better than a compromiser that Bolger was and a disaster and destroyer’s that Richardson and Shipley turned out to be.

    Contrary to popular belief one can be a Capitalist and be a people person with empathy for others. Indeed most philanthropist’s are.

    Removal of Youth rates and the skyrocketing of youth unemployment is the disgrace of socialists of all kinds. Its an abuse
    of young people from the time they one could earn pocket money till the time they finish paying of their student loans if they ever do.
    Were I a lawyer I would have taken the govt. to court because this is discrimination of the worst kind. No one seems to be bothered except young people.
    Its outrageous that I can employ a baby sitter from age 14 and give her 10.00 an hour tax free but as an employer I can’t pay an 18 year old $10.00 per hour to sweep my workshop floor or tidy up.
    Trucking companies who want drivers cannot begin to train young people around the yard after school at an effective rate any more. Those kids have to wait until they are worth adult rate and go get a student loan to learn to drive big trucks etc.
    Same applies in many other workshops, so we have young people with no work experience,(which we used to have programs run from schools for), struggling to cope with a workplace.

    Its also somewhat ironic that some clever kid can earn as much as they like working for themselves doing stuff like IT. or running an income producing website.

    Down on the farm dad can buy them a farm bike for Xmas etc at the farms expense for helping out or that the kid can’t be paid for feeding calves etc. but can earn cash from selling them. Which is tantamount to the same thing.

    Like all socialist soul destroying legislation it really affects the core constituents of the socialists.

    Nett result is we have people over the age of 65 holding onto the jobs because employers can’t sensibly employ those that should be learning.

    Two things would make a difference to NZ. get rid of minimum pays for young people and allow them to learn about both the workplace and the world of what ones worth and for anyone over 65 who quits work full stop where they have been working 40 hours or more and who are replaced by a young person, pay them an extra $150 a week for the next year or so and the employer another $50 for 6 months.
    Remove one from a dole payment and tax the other at a higher income level. Just about equal out. More importantly it sends the right signals to the labour force participants.

    Most older people continue to work for two reasons, they actually need the income and super ain’t enough or they just like to work with the benefits that working has. Plenty in the first category will quit if the amount of money is enough.

    No wonder we are simply not competitive in the world.

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  27. Berliner (16 comments) says:

    Viking2 – On Collins have been v critical of the way John Judge was shafted. On Binnie will do the necessary matching in New Year but inclined at this stage towards Fisher’s views. Your points are well made and will take on board.

    MInimum pay is an interesting question. In US plenty of smart young people intern at no pay while they learn on the job. As I understand it – but correct me if I am wrong – in NZ you can’t really offer that opportunity. You have to pay interns. I guess you can have volunteers but it could get tricky if the volunteer decided they were being taken advantage of?

    I’ll have a good look in the New Year – after a break.

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  28. Viking2 (11,128 comments) says:

    Fran,
    Lots of community Trusts kicking around from the old Trustbank and Electiric dept days that yearly dish out funds for peoples pet projets. Non that I am aware of, that put up good sizes of dosh for young peoples education. Most of it goes to sport or someone else’s favourite hobby..
    Whreas I would rather see it go the scholar ships for the likes of engineering and Food Argriculture and stuff that makes us wealthy. (law ands social science excluded, But that’s just MHO). Then kids wouldn’t need student loans and the like. Grants that are tied to results as well unlike most student loans.

    Companies need to be encouraged to support students as well much like they do in the States.
    Better all round than State subsidies and lead to less waste of money.

    IMHO sports are your hobby and things like community do goods are the stuff of people and Lions Clubs etc who, incidentally have all suffered badly from the pokie money and the lotto money. No community spirit any more. Sad really.

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