General Debate 10 December 2012

December 10th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    Tycoons 40m house takes shape

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10853013&ref=rss

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  2. Pete George (23,687 comments) says:

    An update on Labour’s gaggle of gagging – confirmation a letter discussing clamping down on blogs and blog comments was discussed by the Labour council. One person claims eyes rolled and it was binned.

    But the MP is acting regardless? Is she a lone wolf or acting with approval?

    More blogs, more details on Labour gagging

    (I acknowledge this will piss some people off but tough, there’s a lot of interest in this story).

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  3. Pete George (23,687 comments) says:

    And Brce EdwArds joins the fray:
    http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2012/12/clare-curran-the-standard-and-the-state-of-the-labour-party.html

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  4. Elaycee (4,410 comments) says:

    One person claims eyes rolled and it was binned….

    Oh dear… :(

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  5. Stamper (32 comments) says:

    Something different from Labour’s folly.
    This is a clear explanation as to why economies will fail if they become dependent on wind/solar power.

    http://newzealandclimatechange.wordpress.com/2012/12/08/german-wind-energy/

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  6. smttc (763 comments) says:

    I smelt the whiff of bullshit in Todd Rippon’s claim that he was dismissed as a tour guide simply because of his association with Actors Equity. If that is true why go bleating to the media? If the allegation is true then the employer’s actions in dismissing him are illegal and he has grounds for PG. Then i see Helen Kelly of the CTU is all over the story and trying to beat the Prime Minister up with it and everything became a bit clearer.

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  7. Lance (2,719 comments) says:

    @Stamper
    As I have said before. Renewables need an entire infrastructure to grow up around them. That doesn’t exist now, nor is it being seriously pursued, lots of talk but little action on demand side and storage.
    It doesn’t mean renewables are some great left wing swindle, it just means people with limited understanding and vision are in charge.
    Countries like Germany have gone hell for leather into a power system that has not been thought out and ridiculously lop sided in terms of dynamic generation vs demand side management…. dum.

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  8. flipper (4,232 comments) says:

    Yes Lance…..
    So let us look at China:

    China and the carbon tax
    Read to the end, the best fact is the last one.
    China has 19% of the world’s population, but consumes
    53% of the world’s cement
    48% of the world’s iron ore
    47% of the world’s coal
    And the majority of just about every other major commodity.
    In 2010, China produced 11 times more steel than the United States .
    China has the world’s fastest train and the world’s largest high-speed rail network.

    China is currently the number one producer in the world of wind and solar power.
    But don’t use it themselves.
    They manufacture 80% of the world’s solar panels,
    They install less than 5% and build a new coal fired power station every week.
    In 1 year they turn on more new coal powered electricity than Australia ‘s total output.

    China currently controls more than 90% of the total global supply of rare earth elements.

    In the past 15 years, China has moved from 14th place to 2nd place
    in the world in published scientific research articles.

    China possesses the fastest supercomputer on the entire globe.

    At the end of March 2011, China accumulated US$3.04 trillion
    in foreign currency reserves – the largest stockpile on the entire globe.

    Chinese consume 50,000 cigarettes every second …

    They are already the largest carbon dioxide emitter
    And their output will rise 70% by 2020 !

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  9. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    Couple of interesting assassinations…

    http://www.salon.com/2012/12/02/better_than_bourne_who_really_killed_nick_deak/

    http://www.forteantimes.com/features/fbi/4315/hollywood_hitmen.html

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  10. Lance (2,719 comments) says:

    @flipper
    Is there some vague reason for this list of facts about China that has anything to do with renewables needing an infrastructure to be useful?
    My assertation that renewables need an infrastructure was not a political one, just a simple fact that the reason renewblaes have apparently failed to impress is a lack of vision by those installing them. Maybe with vision a political entity might say renewables are not for us right now but for goodness sake don’t pan the technology, blame the half wits managing it.

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  11. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    Tycoons 40m house takes shape

    If anyone’s interested in Abramov and the other oligarchs, this is a very good book – Wgtn Central Library has it. Recommended holiday reading and not a bad present for someone…

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Londongrad-Russia-Inside-Story-Oligarchs/dp/0007356374

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  12. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    for goodness sake don’t pan the technology, blame the half wits managing it.

    I don’t understand why the half wits who are managing it never talk about hydrogen fuel cells. They’re much better than wind, tidal and solar in that they’re independent of the weather, just like regular internal combustion engines. Also, at this point in the product life-cycle they offer a country who wants to manufacture them a brilliant value-add export opportunity. They use platinum for the membrane but that’s the only uncommon material they require.

    http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?q=hydrogen+fuel+cell&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&tbo=d&tbm=isch&tbnid=G4scpZe1EviDYM:&imgrefurl=http://www.chfcc.org/FuelCells/about_fuelcells.asp&docid=y2px3E6zyM49yM&imgurl=http://www.chfcc.org/images/hydrogenfuelcell.gif&w=440&h=440&ei=bvrEUJu9C-zriQKW2IGYBg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=379&vpy=154&dur=1515&hovh=225&hovw=225&tx=98&ty=117&sig=114139474206416387599&page=1&tbnh=152&tbnw=142&start=0&ndsp=35&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0,i:145&biw=1280&bih=918

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  13. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    The US decline: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100289964

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  14. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    The Sea Level is Not Rising, by a chap who, over a 40-year scientific career has published 547 papers in the peer-reviewed literature, most of them about sea level. Griff, and other worshipers at the altar of Climate Astrology will no doubt dismiss Professor Mörner, his findings and any site that publishes them as a bogus.

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  15. thedavincimode (6,877 comments) says:

    Sea level not rising? Looks like Kyoto is starting to work.

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  16. cha (4,084 comments) says:

    dowsing ~ snort
    /

    http://www.randi.org/hotline/1998/0012.html

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  17. Weihana (4,607 comments) says:

    Manolo (8,363) Says:
    December 10th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    The US decline: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100289964

    The article doesn’t show any “decline”. It simply compares a couple of Chinese cities (both with a population over 20 million) to cities in the US, both with a population under 10 million, in terms of people who are worth over 30 million dollars. It doesn’t compare changes over time, nor does it compare overall average incomes.

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  18. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    Climate change?
    RNZ “news” played the Doha card hard yesterday and TV3 had a Pacific Island chap on this am,dressed appropriately,flowers on head ,shells on chest ,jandals even…….the court jester of the Kingdom of Bullshit.

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  19. Elaycee (4,410 comments) says:

    The latest talks in Doha (in which NZ correctly decided to not renew any ‘Kyoto’ type commitments), has had an interesting aside… This morning, the Gween Party’s Kennedy Graham was interviewed about the talks and during the interview (Hosking on NewstalkZB) it was confirmed that Graham had been present in Doha for the talkfest.

    But during the interview it also emerged that Graham was actually speaking from Italy…. perhaps he hopped onto the wrong plane at Doha… because he wouldn’t possibly do anything that would increase his carbon footprint, would he?

    Pot. Meet. Kettle.

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  20. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    krazykiwi
    With a foreword by the great scholar By The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley yes the validity if your post is somewhat strained
    We will try a nice website with gov in its address.
    Nassa
    http://climate.nasa.gov/key_indicators#seaLevel

    3.1 mm a year over the globe

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  21. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Griff, give it up. You are increasingly looking like a marginilised crank with your climate hysteria. Just admit you got it wrong and move on. You are generally an intelligent guy, but are letting yourself down by clinging to this politically motivated hoax.

    If the theory was sound, the predictions made would be accurate. That is how, real, science works. With AGW the predictions don’t fit with observable reality, however instead of looking at the theory, they go and tinker with their “models”. The reason the modelling does not fit with empirical evidence is that the theory, those models are based on, is flawed. It is an endless loop of faulty logic.

    So relax. Lighten up. The world is not ending anytime soon :)

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  22. Lance (2,719 comments) says:

    @Reid
    OK so where is the hydrogen coming from for the fuel cells to operate?

    Fuel cells are the engine, not the power source.

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  23. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    <blockquote>Griff, give it up. You are increasingly looking like a marginilised crank with your climate hysteria</blockquote>
    Yes kea me and the governments of the western world and the un and every major scientific body are cranks and the denial echochamber is the only reality when it comes to climate change :lol:
    nutter

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  24. DaveDustin (11 comments) says:

    [quote]
    Data roaming charges have become a significant pain-point for those of us seeking to make the most of our smartphone technology in both our professional and private lives. So it gives me great pleasure to let you know that here at Telecom Group, we’re about to take that pain away.

    Later today, Telecom CEO Simon Moutter will announce a breakthrough change in our international data roaming rates.

    From Friday 21 December, a flat daily rate will be applied for data roaming by postpaid customers across major travel markets. Australia roaming will start at a specially reduced rate of $6 a day until 30 June 2013 (Telecom will review the rate at this time.)

    You will also pay just $10 a day for data while travelling in the following critical business markets – UK, USA, Canada, China, Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, and Saudi Arabia.

    Data roaming charges will be slashed by around 83% to 92% in other markets, although charges will continue to be on a usage basis.

    With the new flat fee plan in place for the festive season, I trust that this will enable you, your staff, family and friends to make the most of your smartphones while travelling on holiday, without worrying about the bill.

    The media release will be live on the Gen-i and Telecom websites at 1pm today.
    [/quote]

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  25. Grendel (1,005 comments) says:

    look at griff desperatley clinging to both argumentum ad vercanium, and argumentum ad populum.

    speaking on pointless climate crap, anyone see the waffle from the ‘youth climate summit’ over the weekend, the very lefty sound “power shift” ( you can bet its nothing to do with energy), convinced lots of ‘yoof’ from around NZ to fly up to auckland to spend time at a conference to talk about how the world has to use less energy etc, you know like flying less.

    moment i saw the first flyer for it, its clearly a front for global government, anti capitalism and you know all the usual socialist groups will be all over it.

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  26. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    You have a right to believe and pay those taxes, Griff.

    Had you lived in the Dark Ages, you would’ve made a fine inquisitor, unable to question the official line. Good on you, comrade.

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  27. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Grendel, Griff is reduced to personal attacks, arguments from authority, and appealing to the popular, along with the odd straw man. What else has the poor guy got, other than discredited predictions put out by those who profit from the multi trillion dollar alarmist industry.

    Sad really :)

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  28. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    argumentum ad populum — This fallacy occurs when an argument panders to popular passion or sentiment. When, for instance, a politician exclaims in a debate that his opponent “is out of step with the beliefs of everyone in the audience,” he/she is committing the fallacy. The legitimacy of a statement depends not on its popularity, but on its truth credentials.

    So my appeal to the scientific bodies is not argument ad populum
    The truth credentials. Of all scientific bodies in the western world are impeccable. Those of the denail network are not

    argumentum ad ignorantiam (“arguing from ignorance”) — A fallacy that occurs when someone argues that because we don’t know something is true, it must be false, or because we lack proof that a statement is false, it must be true. Ignorance or lack of evidence doesn’t necessarily mean a position or claim is true or false. Common Examples: “No one has ever proven that UFOs exist. Therefore, they don’t exist.” (Something can exist despite the absence of confirmation. Lack of proof is justification for caution or even scepticism, but not dogmatic assertions.) “There is simply no proof that God exists. Therefore, God doesn’t exist.” (God might exist even though there is no way empirically to prove it.)

    We (all the governments and scientist) have proof the climate is warming the ignorance comes from those that manufacture proof that does not hold up under scrutiny.

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  29. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    other than discredited predictions put out by those who profit from the multi trillion dollar alarmist industry

    STILL WAITING FOR YOUR EXPLANATION OF THE POWER BEHIND THIS FRAUD KEA

    Still no answer
    Too much cognitive dissonance
    Its only gruff griff giving grief
    No it our government.
    The UN .
    All major scientific bodies.
    The governments of most of the world.
    Including all the developed countries.
    Everyone is well past, is it happening or not? they just cannot agree on how the cuts in co2 will come.

    Except an echochamber of misinformation paid for by the oil industry and run by pr misinformation specialists who cut their teeth denying the link between smoking and cancer.

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  30. RightNow (7,013 comments) says:

    Hammering it home from “denail” network:
    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:2002/plot/rss/from:2002/trend

    Cooling :)

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  31. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    http://www.woodfortrees.org/
    Beware sharp tools

    <blockquote>However, with sharp tools comes great responsibility… Please read the notes on things to beware of – and in particular on the problems with short, cherry-picked trends. Remember that the signals we are dealing with are very, very noisy, and it’s easy to get misled – or worse, still to mislead others.</blockquote>

    Gee I try to get you guys to read the websites you link to and what do we get short-term cherry picked misleading posts as the site itself warns against.
    as I have repeatedly linked to taking out the short term trends from your graph gives warming

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  32. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    Just to escape ‘Global Warming’ for a moment-

    This has got to be a joke surely? This is a recipe for absolute disaster!
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/8059299/Kirwan-chooses-Ali-Williams-to-lead-Blues

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  33. RightNow (7,013 comments) says:

    “taking out the short term trends from your graph gives warming”

    And the long term trend is what? About 1.5 deg C per century?

    What’s the problem again?

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  34. dime (10,134 comments) says:

    Ali Williams is the Blues captain now?

    Dime has managed to pick himself up off the floor.

    This will either go really well or be a complete and utter debacle.

    Responsibility can breed maturity. Fingers crossed. The last thing we need is laughing boy in front of the cameras after a 50 point hiding

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  35. RF (1,454 comments) says:

    Good god. Ali Williams “I am a smart arse” is the Blues captain. I am going to change my team and head south. ? Chiefs – Canes.

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  36. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    That’s right -Ali Williams. The self-professed ‘funnyman’ (though everyone I know thinks he is a prize twat).
    The alleged ‘comedian’ also has a habit of sneering and sniping at the media when they ask the difficult questions (or don’t laugh at his childish attempts at ‘humour’) which will make for an entertaining Super rugby season of post match interviews.
    I just made a bet with a mate that they will finish last of the NZ teams. Easiest $100 I’ll make all year…

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  37. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    Lance @ 12:07

    I would use both of the main methods mentioned here
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_production

    Any existing refinery could be modified, like here we could use Marsden Point but we could also use the thermal in Taupo to get it from electrolysis. Each country could use most of the existing fuel supply infrastructure.

    But the main reason for doing it is to export manufactured units and make lots of cash.

    Incidentally I saw a very interesting vid on hydrogen fuel balls that powered an internal combustion engine. You just pulled up to the gas station and exchanged the balls for fresh ones. That looked brilliant.

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  38. dime (10,134 comments) says:

    Ali “businessman” williams.

    Then again, Kev was no great captain.

    Ian Smith: “gee, hard game mate. a 50 point loss must be hard to swallow”
    Kev: “im just really proud of the boys”

    urgh

    love Kev but hes too nice

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  39. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    Ambition never dies: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/09/us/politics/hillary-clintons-countless-choices-could-hinge-on-2016-election.html?_r=0

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  40. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    Multiculturalism and crooks:
    Three family members arrested in a migrant labour exploitation investigation have been excused from their next hearing so they can attend a 60th birthday party in China.

    The trio were among five people charged by Immigration NZ last week who appeared in Wellington District Court this morning.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10853082

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  41. Wayne91 (142 comments) says:

    Re Ali Williams, All Black selectors saw him as someone to add to the team environment, Have a lot of respect for the coaching staff at the Blues, therefore will fully support this decision. Who cares how he comes accross, as long as he does his job.

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  42. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    Multiculturalism and not fitting in.

    We do the same thing here. As far as I’m concerned if your religion means you can’t wear the same uniform as every one else ,then don’t join,or find a sikh regiment.

    Once again hundreds of years of tradition fall to the altar of “tolerance” or whatever it is we;re all into these days.

    Uniform means uniform. This is not uniform.
    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/363658/Guard-who-s-swapped-bearskin-for-a-turban

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  43. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    “Re Ali Williams, All Black selectors saw him as someone to add to the team environment”

    And what an addition! He made absolutely NO contribution on the field and as for ‘Team Environment’- The touring team disgraced themselves and their country with on field thuggery (the sickening Andrew Hore attack), then behaved like petulant children when the media dared to ask them if they were sorry, then undertook a series of downright embarrassing and lame publicity stunts to try to win the fans back over (Maa Nonu and his cringeworthy spray tan!), and to top it all off they got soundly thumped by a babyface no-name English team that apparently weren’t fit to lace the ‘mighty’ All Black’s boots.

    That tour was a freaking disaster. Admit it.

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  44. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    So on the eve of NATO intervention in Syria, let’s just have a look at what’s played out before our eyes in Libya: i.e. as facts that have happened, which cannot be argued away because you don’t like them…

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/destroying-libya-a-war-for-human-rights/5314802

    And just know that Syria is merely No. 3 on Brzezhinsky’s list, the previous two being first Egypt then Libya. The proof’s in the pudding as they say. Isn’t our western democracy wonderful. Saving all those poor Egyptions and Libyans from their previously prosperous and peaceful existence and giving them govts full of brutes and thugs. Wasn’t that nice of us, to do that, as the facts now show, which some of us don’t like and somewhat childishly, pretend they either don’t exist and/or they don’t matter because the important thing is, we gave them fweedom and democwacy. (We haven’t given them either but that doesn’t seem to matter to some fantasists.)

    And if anyone doesn’t see the same patterns appearing after they’ve appeared to them not once but thrice in the last few years and about a dozen times overall if you count the 90’s colour revolutions, then crikey.

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  45. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    This is very good for those interested in the outlook for the US economy:

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/from-good-jobs-to-bad-jobs-to-no-jobs-the-tragic-downfall-of-the-american-worker

    Did you know Obamacare is forcing companies who employ full-time workers to transition them into part-time roles so they can become exempt?

    Here is what I am doing for the rest of the year — working with every manager in my company so that as of January 1, 2013, none of our employees are working more than 28 hours a week. I think most readers know the reason — we have got to get our company under 50 full time employees or else I am facing a bill from Obamacare in 2014 that will be several times larger than my annual profit. I love my workers. They make me a success. But most of my competitors are small businesses that are exempt from the Obamacare hammer. To compete, I must make sure my company is exempt as well. This means that our 400+ full time employees will have to be less than 50 in 2013, so that when the Feds look at me at the start of 2014, I am exempt. We will have more employees working fewer hours, with more training costs, but the Obamacare bill looks like about $800,000 a year for us, at least, and I am pretty sure the cost of more training will be less than that.

    This will be unpopular but tolerable to most of my employees. The vast majority of them are retired and our company is merely an excuse to stay busy, work outdoors, and get a little extra money.

    But this is going to be an ENORMOUS change in the rest of the service sector. I have talked to a lot of owners of restaurants and restaurant chains, and the 40-hour work week is a thing of the past in that business. One of my employees said that in Hawaii, it was all the hotel employees could talk about. Many chains are working on mutli-team systems where two teams of people working part-time replace the former group of full-time employees. 2013 is going to see a lot of people (who are not paid very well to begin with) getting their hours and pay cut by 25%. At the same time that they are required, likely for the first time since many are relatively young, to purchase health insurance.

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  46. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    I just listened to Key’s soundbite on the CTV report, he seems to have lost his edge. When he was talking about the families he was just reading the words, you could tell. No passion, just rote.

    Checkpoint 5 mins ago…

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  47. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    How welfare kills people.
    An outstanding article by Lindsay Mitchell: http://www.lindsaymitchell.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/born-onto-benefit.html

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  48. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    Key’s aloofness is mind-boggling. The PM appears to be saying: “I wish I were somewhere else.
    His passivity and disinterest could condemn us to a Labour-led government in 2014. In other words, NZ is fucked.

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  49. Weihana (4,607 comments) says:

    Reid,

    Did you know Obamacare is forcing companies who employ full-time workers to transition them into part-time roles so they can become exempt?

    So make health care the responsibility of government like it ought to be. You know like it is here in New Zealand where our healthcare costs are much lower.

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  50. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Horan the new Banks falls under the protective embrace of the PM. A tea party in Tauranga next?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10853112

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  51. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    @Longknives That tour was a freaking disaster. Admit it.

    More hell burning for you fella.

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  52. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    I hate myself…

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  53. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    and anyone else jump on Marquez @ $2.80 yesterday, he asks with a smile

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  54. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    I got $3.50 head to head (that bet was placed a while ago..)

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  55. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    nice, as soon as Pacquiao becomes a politician he gets toweled – there’s a moral there somewhere.

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  56. RF (1,454 comments) says:

    Longknives… Had a laugh when I noticed Hore had shaved and no longer looked like Pancho Villa. I guess when he fronted for the assault he wanted to portray himself as a sweet baby faced kid.

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  57. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    But aren’t the All Blacks all ‘role models’??

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  58. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    Bereal has to appear soon…..

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  59. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    and Hore a seal killer to boot, Adam Thompson a girlfriend assailant and Dan Carter and Ritchie McCaw from Christchurch – a rogues gallery you wouldn’t want your kids anywhere near.

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  60. RF (1,454 comments) says:

    Clump clump clump… Creak as the crypt door opens

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  61. RF (1,454 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay… Not my precious Dan Carter .. The hobbit.

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  62. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    Sweet Jesus Pauleastbay- You didn’t just say unsavoury things about ‘Captain Underpants’ and ‘The Saint’??
    This is New Zealand mate- I’m pretty sure it is an offence to dare suggest they are anything but Gods amongst Men!
    (I note also- the ‘Stuff Nation’ article written by some groupie bimbo bragging about how she had pulled one of these ‘role models’ seemed to disappear rather quickly..)

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  63. Nostalgia-NZ (5,281 comments) says:

    Don’t worry longknives you’re a role model yourself. Just for the name you picked without a scrum in sight.

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  64. RF (1,454 comments) says:

    I guess Hores little mistake apart from shooting seals will join the list of handbag swingers, ranch slider door opener, the odd DIC, jumping on BMWs, dislocating shoulders, breaking arms, walking pissed through Cashel mall in ChCh and then black listing TV3 for filming it, suspect in a rape complaint, assault complaints etc. etc. etc. Yep role models.

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  65. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    Thanks Nostalgia- Any idea where I got my name from?

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  66. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    My Kiwis are looking pretty bloody law abiding when you see the list (very abridged I might add) above involving the devils code

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  67. Nostalgia-NZ (5,281 comments) says:

    No I don’t Longknives, but there was a night given that name one time.

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  68. mikenmild (11,777 comments) says:

    I’ve always felt that the ‘role model’ stuff was nonsense. they are just young men who happen to be good at playing a game. We admire that and want them to be nice people as well. Often they are not. Rugby is a violent game and will always attract a fair number of thugs. Long may that continue.

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  69. Pete George (23,687 comments) says:

    If you think of politics and cyclist and splat who comes to mind? This probably won’t be what you expected. Caught on tape. Ouch.

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  70. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    Nostalgia-There were several. There was also a song. But you go ahead and make your assumptions….
    One could also assume from ‘Nostalgia NZ ‘ that you yearn for the good old days…Hmmm ‘Nostalgia’ for what I wonder? Racism? Oppression?

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  71. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    In a vehicle the other day and as we came up behind a group of cyclists taking up all four lanes of the two lane road our driver was heard to say ” more fucking road lice” – summed up the situation beautifully,

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  72. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    AC/DC -For Those About to Rock

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  73. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    Well done that man!

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  74. MT_Tinman (3,263 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay (2,981) Says:
    December 10th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
    and Hore a seal killer to boot,

    It’s not on just pointing out his good deeds.

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  75. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    Nice for its shareholders: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-10/google-revenues-sheltered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion.html

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  76. Elaycee (4,410 comments) says:

    PEB:

    In a vehicle the other day and as we came up behind a group of cyclists taking up all four lanes of the two lane road our driver was heard to say ” more fucking road lice” – summed up the situation beautifully,

    Love it! :D

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