General Debate 20 December 2012

December 20th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Colville (2,059 comments) says:

    Only 5 more sleeps! :-)

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  2. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Good story in the WSJ: Matt Ridley: Cooling Down the Fears of Climate Change

    The closing para sums things up nicely:

    The scientists at the IPCC next year have to choose whether they will admit—contrary to what complex, unverifiable computer models indicate—that the observational evidence now points toward lukewarm temperature change with no net harm. 

    On behalf of all those poor people whose lives are being ruined by high food and energy prices caused by the diversion of corn to biofuel and the subsidizing of renewable energy driven by carboncrats and their crony-capitalist friends, one can only hope the scientists will do so

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  3. Pete George (22,753 comments) says:

    A school teaching values, manners, how to treat a woman, and how to be a better man…

    “What I want is my boys to understand is that to be a successful man is not measured by how much money you’ve got, it’s not measured by the job you’ve got, it’s measured by how the relationships you hold and how ell you treat the people you love. That’s what a successful man is.”

    …and it’s new year intake is increasing. Catering for demand? To be a successful man…

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  4. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    First he got the Nobel Peace Prize, then the EU got it, and now this. These awards would not have been given, if he looked more like his mum than his dad:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/8102707/Obama-named-Times-person-of-the-year

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  5. Pete George (22,753 comments) says:

    And with contrasting values a jealous doctor beats his wife on several occasions, threatens to kill her, cheats on her, and the judge discharges him so it won’t affect his career.

    Stink justice?/strong>

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  6. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    The BBC’s internal enquiry into the Jimmy Saville sex abuse affair basically says “we did some small wrongs but nothing really serious”.

    How this outfit – who knew about his behaviour – could say this is beyond belief. Obviously the inmates are in charge of the asylum.

    The BBC has been about 300% behind carbon dioxide as the one and only cause of climate change – and of course they are wrong. It was interesting to hear this week that the new Climate Science section (I think at Auckalnd University) established with money from the NZ entrepreneur of the year (2011 Bill Buckley) is finding far more guilt at the feet of clouds and cloud cover – and what causes the increase in clouds.

    Almost evryday there is another fault found in the CO2 arguement, but the BBC resolutely refuses to recognise anything else.

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  7. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Kea, the Nobel Peace Prize committee decided on Obama just 13 days after he commenced his presidency. A tad prejudicial and partisan perhaps?

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  8. SPC (5,334 comments) says:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/dec/14/global-warming-sun-leaked-ipcc-report

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  9. Griff (6,703 comments) says:

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2012/11

    The average combined global land and ocean surface temperature for November 2012 was 0.67°C (1.21°F) above the 20th century average of 12.9°C (60.4°F). This is the fifth warmest November since records began in 1880. Including this November, the 10 warmest Novembers have occurred in the past 12 years.

    The globally-averaged land surface temperature for November 2012 was the sixth warmest November on record, at 1.13°C (2.03°F) above average. The globally-averaged ocean surface temperature was also sixth warmest on record, at 0.50°C (0.90°F) above average.

    ENSO-neutral conditions continued in the eastern equatorial Pacific Ocean during November 2012. Neutral conditions are expected to last through the Northern Hemisphere winter 2012/13 and into spring 2013.

    The average combined global land and ocean surface temperature for September–November 2012 was 0.67°C (1.21°F) above the 20th century average of 14.0°C (57.1°F), marking the second warmest September–November on record, behind 2005.

    The globally-averaged land surface temperature for September–November 2012 was the third warmest September–November on record, at 1.03°C (1.85°F) above average. The Southern Hemisphere land temperature was record warm for the period.

    The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for January–November 2012 was the eighth warmest such period on record, at 0.59°C (1.06°F) above the 20th century average.

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  10. Andrei (2,499 comments) says:

    Jeepers Griff thats scary shit, and such a balmy day today in Novokuznetsk.

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  11. dime (9,367 comments) says:

    ZB news gives Dime the shits.

    8am this morning they had some teacher prat on (they should never be allowed to speak in public, they do nothing but harm their cause). he stated in his condescending, know it all, 50k a year voice “why would we import failed policies from two failed countries” in relation to charter schools. followed by “when we are world leading in education” haha im paraphrasing a bit but you get the idea.

    how the hell do these teachers expect to get any public support? they are like petulant children trying to get their whinge in whenever they can.

    maybe if didnt speak in constant soundbites, explained their positions better and werent talking down to people they may get some traction. cant see it happening though.

    back to school for them, time to push around kids all day.

    oh wait, its holiday time. another 6 weeks off. but teachers work harder than everyone else…

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  12. calendar girl (1,172 comments) says:

    “Kea, the Nobel Peace Prize committee decided on Obama just 13 days after he commenced his presidency.”

    Possibly, KK. Or maybe that was just when they announced it – having make their actual decision months before. In any event, that award to Obama made a farce of the principles of the Nobel Peace Prize. I can’t now regard the prize as meaningful.

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  13. campit (458 comments) says:

    Man claims to have killed Heidi Paakkonen and Urban Hoglin in 2002 deathbed confession:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10855206

    “We all believed Huia could have been involved. If you could see his face with a beard on, he looked just like Tamihere. We always thought he was the one.”

    And:

    The emergence of Foley as a suspect also struck Remuera’s Viv Wilson, who was convinced she saw Paakkonen while holidaying at Pauanui about the time she disappeared.

    She said she saw a white Subaru a few weeks after Easter in 1989 cruising slowly along the street.

    “I looked up and here was this panic-stricken girl who was obviously struggling to get the door open.”

    The way the blonde woman in the back of the car turned to the door with her whole body later convinced Mrs Wilson her hands were bound.

    She raised her concerns at the time with a well-known Pauanui developer, creating a record which later gave her surety when the missing couple’s pictures were published.

    “The guy behind the wheel did look a bit like David Tamihere but he had longer hair. David Tamihere had a much neater cut.”

    There was nobody else in the car, Mrs Wilson recalled.

    She then reported the sighting to police. “They seem to think my facts aren’t correct. I’m thoroughly convinced it was her that I saw. It is one of those things which sticks with you for life.

    “I felt police didn’t have all the facts. Then, after Urban Hoglin’s body was found, I thought it all ties in.”

    Police have pointed to court hearings that led to and upheld Tamihere’s conviction.

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  14. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Griff…….

    Well its ceratinly wasnt the third warmest november in the Waikato. We still used the heat pump (on heat setting) early November. Normally we are swimming in Nov – but not this year.

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  15. Fletch (5,996 comments) says:

    Of course, Time Magazine’s ‘Man of the Year’ in 1938 was Adolf Hitler, do they have been known to get it wrong in the past.
    Still, they knew better than to make that mistake twice. There has never been as destructive and divisive POTUS than Barrack Obama, and he still has much more damage to do in the next four years. God help America…

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  16. Fletch (5,996 comments) says:

    do so*

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  17. Pete George (22,753 comments) says:

    To say that Hekia Parata has struggled with her education portfolio is a bit of an understatement. Will John Key try and recover from some of the damage and replace her?

    A NZ First MP has a suggestion:

    @TraceyMartinMP
    Would like to see Nikki Kaye promoted up to Minister of Ed. Great Chair of the Education & Science Select Committee

    Kaye has proven to be very capable of working with other party MPs.

    Perhaps she could find a way of working with education groups – if they have any intent to work productively with a National Minister of Education.

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  18. david (2,531 comments) says:

    Does anyone know what the Arctic sea ice measurement looks like this winter? Are the Polar Bears extinct yet? Aaaaah so many questions!

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  19. david (2,531 comments) says:

    Pete George, “working with …” is a phrase that will not resonate with the Teacher Unions. Their objectives and attitudes are too well entrenched for co-operation to yield any positive results for the kids. Now if you were to propose paying teachers more, you might be on to something.

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  20. Manolo (13,326 comments) says:

    Well done this man: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8102737/Petrol-station-owner-defends-his-patch

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  21. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    Oh look , it’s a pay rise…

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  22. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    I can see it now – calls for dedicated transgender prisons … oh wait:

    The policy of denying medical treatment for a recognised medical condition is cruel and inhumane, Ms Ellis said.

    Director of Rethinking Crime and Punishment Kim Workman told Radio New Zealand Cooper’s human rights are being breached and housing her in a men’s prison puts her at considerable risk.

    He’s suggested there needs to be a special facility for transgender prisoners.

    I guess we’ll soon be having gay prisons, lesbian prisons, bi prisons …

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  23. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    Having problems posting the first part of my comment which got lost somewhere :(:(:(

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  24. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    OK, what happened to the first part of my post?

    Let’s have another go …

    A transgender woman, Glen Cooper, is to go to a men’s prison – but gets a 15 percent discount on the sentence in recognition of the harassment she will face in an all-male prison.

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/15680964/transgender-woman-to-go-to-mens-prison/

    “It’s not about special treatment, it’s about getting equal treatment. Transgender prisoners have an equal right to safety in the prison,” Cooper’s lawyer Kelly Ellis said.

    It is not recorded what Ellis’s thoughts were on the safety of the man that Glen Cooper struck on the head with a wine bottle.

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  25. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    A transgender woman, Glen Cooper, is to go to a men’s prison – but gets a fifteen percent discount on the sentence in recognition of the harassment she will face in an all-male prison.

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/15680964/transgender-woman-to-go-to-mens-prison/

    “It’s not about special treatment, it’s about getting equal treatment. Transgender prisoners have an equal right to safety in the prison,” Cooper’s lawyer Kelly Ellis said.

    It is not recorded what Ellis’s thoughts were on the safety of the man that Glen Cooper struck on the head with a wine bottle.

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  26. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    WordPress is giving me grief …

    A transgender woman, Glen Cooper, is to go to a men’s prison – but gets a 15 percent discount on the sentence in recognition of the harassment she will face in an all-male prison.

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/15680964/transgender-woman-to-go-to-mens-prison/

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  27. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    A transgender woman, Glen Cooper, is to go to a men’s prison – but gets a 15 percent discount on the sentence in recognition of the harassment she will face in an all-male prison.

    (WordPress doesn’t seem to like the link to the story for some reason – it’s on Yahoo.)

    “It’s not about special treatment, it’s about getting equal treatment. Transgender prisoners have an equal right to safety in the prison,” Cooper’s lawyer Kelly Ellis said.

    It is not recorded what Ellis’s thoughts were on the safety of the man that Glen Cooper struck on the head with a wine bottle.

    (PS please bring back edit … :))

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  28. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/15680964/transgender-woman-to-go-to-mens-prison/

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  29. Grendel (950 comments) says:

    Visiting a client at a union HQ today (yep it scares me as well) and saw they had their xmas cards on the reception desk.

    interesting things to note.

    1. A card from both David Shearer and David Cunliffe, no other labour or any other MPs that i could see.

    2. The office lady was quite scathing of Shearers and reckons he should not have bothered. when i had a laugh at cunliffes, she agreed it was bad, but none of the vitriol that she had for shearers.

    3. Shearers card was smaller than a normal card but cunliffes was twice as big

    4. both were terrible. Shearers was a picture of him hugging his wife with a xmas background (and labour logo), cheesy and bland. Cunliffes was a landscape image of a river with trees etc and his smug countenance very badly photoshopped into the bottom corner, like he was smirking at you, you could see the outline of where they had cut him out of another image. So badly done.

    5. taxpayers paid for both of them…

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  30. Harriet (4,497 comments) says:

    Women are NOT people who have been CASTRATED!

    And you CAN’T be a women by PRETENDING to be one! -Even children know this!

    HE did ‘choose’ to be castrated, and since then, and at best, he has only ever ‘pretended’ to be a women!

    ‘Transgender’ is just another newspeak word like ‘anal sex’ ! :cool:

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  31. thedavincimode (6,526 comments) says:

    5. taxpayers paid for both of them…

    … and continue to

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  32. thedavincimode (6,526 comments) says:

    No Harriet

    “Anal sex” is not a ‘newspeak’ word. Love it or loathe it, anal sex is anal sex. But thanks for mentioning anal sex yet again. It seems to be front of mind where you are concerned and I wonder why that might be.

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  33. skyblue (197 comments) says:

    Shit GDP numbers today. We need a Labour Green government to increase GDP. All that printed money floating around.

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  34. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    I guess this will be one more example where we all need to be “caring”, recognise “equal rights” and look after “vulnerable members of our society”.

    So if we “need” segregated prisons for transgender people, do we also need segregated prisons for gays and lesbians? New entries on forms for male, female, and transgender (I’ve already had one form this year that asked if I was male, female, or “indeterminate”). A new Ministry for Transgender Rights. Rape Crisis set up for transgenders. Special toilets, perhaps? Fitting rooms in shops for male/female/transgender.

    I see a whole new area of red tape opening up …

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  35. Harriet (4,497 comments) says:

    Bullshit!

    Sex needs TWO sexual organs!

    A hand, mouth, and anus are not sexual organs!

    Why do YOU think the dictionary contains the words fellatio, cunnilingus and sodomy? :cool:

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  36. thedavincimode (6,526 comments) says:

    Ah, of course, the Westboro Baptist Dictionary which defines “sex” as “mummy and daddy cuddling so that you can have a baby sister or brother”.

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  37. thedavincimode (6,526 comments) says:

    … oops, how could i forget: :cool:

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  38. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    The point I was trying to make was that we now seem to have YET ANOTHER area where people who are “different” in some way (is it okay to say that now?) are demanding their so-called “equal rights”, which will mean money being spent, and by implication, the taxpayer (that’s you and I) will of course be required to pay for it.

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  39. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    “And you CAN’T be a women by PRETENDING to be one! -Even children know this!”

    As lesbian author and political commentator Tammy Bruce has stated:

    Men with “gender problems” consider themselves to be women trapped in men’s bodies. Once they receive their “reassignment surgery” many – surprise! – identify themselves as lesbians! So, in other words, they are men who want to become women to sleep with women.

    In my opinion any man who thinks simply having his penis removed, having breast implants, and taking hormones turns him into a woman needs to be in a psychiatrist’s office, not in a parade.

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  40. Paulus (2,493 comments) says:

    On Education it continues to be that the Teachers, Teachers’ Unions and their Union colleagues in the Ministry of Education have won the battle – but should be told NOT THE WAR.
    I am also told that much leave is taken by Ministry staff to every teacher’s union meeting and conference, paid for by the Ministry.
    The fox is still in the lair.
    I am also told that the pay system prior to the current discredited one was crap, and the supplier tried for 5 years to get out of it – now sighing with relief.
    There are 13 Union agreements and something like 10,000 permutations.
    If an entry is incorrect the computer reads what it is given – GIGO and that is what we are seeing – incompetent inputs.
    The input staff, often not very skilled at the new system, cannot handle it.
    So SNAFU, and loving it, to cane the Government.
    Put Collins into into it and watch the shit fly.
    When will Teachers realise that education is not about their militancy, controlled by highly paid Union staff, but about the education of children, partcularly the bottom 20% – who will never become teachers anyway – so why care.

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  41. Manolo (13,326 comments) says:

    Some scapegoats. More to come: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/19/state-department-officials-resign-after-scathing-report-on-security-lapses-in/

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  42. bc (1,332 comments) says:

    Herald’s 30 best albums of the year:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10855095

    Nice review of Jack Black’s album at #1.
    Oh oh, who is at #5 ?!

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  43. thedavincimode (6,526 comments) says:

    graham

    Your point was clear but it highlights a broader issue which is that we sentence people to imprisonment. We don’t sentence people to be raped and bashed when they are there and although that prospect is often regarded as quite appealing or amusing in more serious cases, it shouldn’t happen. We even have politicians who allude to the prospect. If we assert the moral authority to deprive people of their liberty, then we should keep them safe or at least be honest and include the inevitable in the sentence.

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  44. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Police prosecute alternative views on social sites to mall/school shootings

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6b-voc-Ds

    They won’t go near Drudge or Alex Jones whom completely argue against systemic narratives.

    They’ll get sued to bits the cowards.

    Praise God I live in NZ and can still speak out (for awhile while we keep the Nat/Lab paradigm)

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  45. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Sci-Fi ‘Hover Bikes’ Coming Soon

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  46. Pete George (22,753 comments) says:

    Successful predictions for the end of the world

    Unsuccessful predictions for the end of the world

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  47. Pete George (22,753 comments) says:

    Unsuccessful link to Unsuccessful predictions for the end of the world now corrected.

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  48. Harriet (4,497 comments) says:

    thedavincimode #

    “…Ah, of course, the Westboro Baptist Dictionary which defines “sex” as “mummy and daddy cuddling so that you can have a baby sister or brother”….”

    Idiot!

    So…..what do you call ‘sex’ then?

    Or should I instead ask …………”What then is penis & vigina action called” ?

    There is NO SUCH THING as anal ‘sex’ – it’s newspeak like I said!……simply to make gays ‘feel normal’……or in newspeak……’included’ ! :cool:

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  49. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    QE4 Is Here

    Okay, the Fed’s recent decision to boost its monetary stimulus (a.k.a. “money printing,” “quantitative easing,” or simply “QE”) by another $45 billion a month to a combined $85 billion per month demonstrates an almost complete departure from what a normal person might consider sensible.

    To borrow a phrase from Joel Salatin: Folks, this ain’t normal. To this I will add …and it will end badly.

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  50. Pete George (22,753 comments) says:

    There is NO SUCH THING as anal ‘sex’ – it’s newspeak like I said!

    Newspeak? The term originates from the Old Testament. Anal sex almost certainly predates written language.

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  51. Fletch (5,996 comments) says:

    Nice review of Jack Black’s album at #1.

    Of course you mean Jack White, and not the fellow from Tenacious D, but yeh :)

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  52. david (2,531 comments) says:

    Hey Pete, do you mean that NZ’s pre-white-man settlers practised it too?

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  53. dime (9,367 comments) says:

    bc – they listed 30 turds.

    why does every list about music in this country have to be written for the BFM crowd?

    STONE SOUR – House of Gold & Bones Vol 1 is freaking incredible. Best voice in rock in the last 15 years.

    Corey is still no Mike PATTON but who is?? no one. thats the correct answer :P

    Harriet – are you against oral and anal? or just dont like them being called sex??

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  54. flipper (3,537 comments) says:

    Msn headline at 1600 hrs:

    ” Greens slam new King Salmon farms.
    The Green Party is outraged by the Environmental Protection Authority’s approval of four new salmon farms… ”

    Oh well, what more can be expected froim those red melon fools ? :)

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  55. publicwatchdog (2,093 comments) says:

    What do Kiwibloggers think about this one?

    ____________________________________________________________________________________________

    Road rage man seeks job back or $600,000
    By Matthew Theunissen

    Guy Hallwright was convicted of causing grievous bodily harm with reckless disregard.

    Former Forsyth Barr financial analyst Guy Hallwright is seeking his job back or about $600,000 in lost earnings after being dismissed following his conviction for running over a man with his car.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10855219

    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Wonder what the sentence had been if a patched gang member had done the same thing to Guy Hallwright?

    Let’s change the scenario…….

    ‘Mongrel Mob member XXXXX – in a fit of ‘road rage’ – runs down senior Forsyth Barr analyst Guy Hallwright, and breaks both his legs.

    Mr Hallwright has multiple operations since the 2010 incident.

    Mongrel Mob member XXXXX is sentenced to 250 hours community work, disqualified from driving for 18 months and ordered to pay victim Guy Hallwright $20,000 reparation after a jury finds he unintentionally ran Hallwright down with his car in September 2010.”

    Seems to be QUITE a different story/ sentence if you swap the patched jacket for a pin-striped suit ……?

    Why is that – do you think?

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  56. chiz (1,119 comments) says:

    Gut bacteria may be behind some cases of obesity.

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  57. Zapper (925 comments) says:

    I’ll take a stab Penny.

    Maybe because the guy in the suit contributes something to society, while the gang member is a piece of scum and a drain on society?

    Which isn’t to say the guy in the suit shouldn’t be punished, but society tends to look more favourably on those who actually contribute. That may be why you seem to struggle to gain respect.

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  58. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    For dime, Christopher Lee’s heavy metal christmas songs.

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  59. thedavincimode (6,526 comments) says:

    harriet

    You’re the one with the dictionary supply, so point me to the dictionary that defines “sex” as the act of inserting a penis in a vagina and explain why that definition is superior to those of the dictionaries that do not define “sex” in that way.

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  60. publicwatchdog (2,093 comments) says:

    So ‘zapper’ – you don’t actually believe in ‘ONE LAW FOR ALL’?

    (Just asking – in a friendly way :)

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  61. Zapper (925 comments) says:

    Of course I do, one law for all races, all genders (can you honestly say the same?).

    In this case, the gang member would likely receive a longer sentence based on previous offending. Otherwise, they would both receive the same, equally soft, sentence.

    Society would see the 2 differently for the reasons stated in my first post.

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  62. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Water Woman

    One law for all…..sounds interesting. What should we do if, for instance, we heard of a public figure who has been accused of “usurping the last $200+ in the bank account, without G.A. approval”.

    It sounds a bit dodgy. Can you give us some idea of what action a principled watchdog would take?

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  63. publicwatchdog (2,093 comments) says:

    Think you need to check with the Occupy Auckland Treasurer on that one nasska – and ‘seek truth from facts’? :)

    (Just a handy wee tip – meant of course in a caring way………………. )

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  64. publicwatchdog (2,093 comments) says:

    ‘zapper’ – do YOU think John Key ‘contributed to society’ by helping to set up the derivatives market?

    Do YOU think that having an unregulated derivatives market ‘contributed to society’?

    Do YOu think it’s a fair question to ask – what role John Key played (if any) in the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in November 1999 (when he was a Foreign Exchange Advisor for the New York Federal Reserve?

    The effect of the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act being to leave the derivatives market without regulation?

    Seems that some of those wearing the ‘pin-striped suits’ at the highest levels have caused some rather major economic mayhem?

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  65. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Water Woman

    Thanks for the tip. while we await further info on what to do in that hypothetical instance, should it occur, perhaps you can offer some help on this query:

    …..” graham (1,522) Says:
    December 13th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    SEEN THIS KIWIBLOGGERS?

    Is it appropriate for a self-proclaimed “public watchdog” – who is hounding John Banks over so-called anonymous donations – to accept anonymous donations?

    PENNY BRIGHT ACCEPTS ANONYMOUS DONATION.

    “A last minute anonymous donation of $10,000 is expected to save Water Pressure Group spokesperson Penny Bright from bankruptcy.” “……

    We need to know that our public watchdogs are squeaky clean & practise what they preach after all.

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  66. thedavincimode (6,526 comments) says:

    nasska

    Wouldn’t you be better off just having a drink? I’m about to.

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  67. Longknives (4,405 comments) says:

    Cha- Christopher Lee singing Heavy Metal is just about the coolest thing ever…

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  68. Longknives (4,405 comments) says:

    I’d like to ask Publicwatchdog what she thought about those cops getting kicked and stomped at the protest a week or so ago? Does she endorse such activity from her fellow ‘activists’?

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  69. thedavincimode (6,526 comments) says:

    It didn’t happen Longknives. She didn’t get kicked out of Occupy or rifle the funds either.

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  70. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Good advice Davinci. The process is just like bashing your head against a brick wall…..it feels great when you stop. :)

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  71. thedavincimode (6,526 comments) says:

    nasska

    You haven’t been around much lately. I’m worried that you might have missed the melt-down and subsequent self-imposed exile of our resident Rambo. Got a ticket for calling Michelle Obama a gorilla. Didn’t like it – hissy fit and and then *poof* (in a non-pejorative way) and he’s been gone ever since. No doubt time will heal and he’ll soon be sliding back here on his belly as if he hadn’t left.

    BTW, given that he is of course not a bigot or indeed even a racist, he was no doubt referring to the fact that Michelle Obama is a 6’6″ 20 stone male with a physique like an adonis.

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  72. thedavincimode (6,526 comments) says:

    … I could have added that I suspect he would like that, but of course I would never say that.

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  73. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    As we speak he’s on his way to help the patriots restore the US to liberty and constitutional government.

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  74. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    thedavincimode

    I noticed that the Great Blogger’s efforts had been rewarded. I hope he gets over his sulk soon as things go a bit quiet on KB over the holiday season & it’s nice to have a halfwit on hand to kick.

    No doubt Xmas at the institution where he currently resides will be a splendid occasion. I suspect that the staff have pureed his Christmas dinner & are brushing it on to his bedroom window as I type.

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  75. thedavincimode (6,526 comments) says:

    No doubt they are nasska, and what an excellent example of stockmanship. If he keeps himslef amused by licking his meal off the windows he’ll spend far less time walking the fences.

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  76. Zapper (925 comments) says:

    Penny

    In answer to your questions that are completely unrelated to our discussion, yes, I do think John Key has added worth to NZ and further afield. If I was to compare what he has done to, say, YOU, well, it would be like comparing the musical careers of Stone Sour and One Direction.

    Hmmm. As bad as One Direction are, at least they have had some success. Okay, it’s like comparing Stone Sour to a busker on Courtenay Place who can’t sing and collects about 25 cents a day from people who want him to shut up.

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  77. Zapper (925 comments) says:

    Or to Nickelback

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  78. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    More Freedom of enterprize inspired by the Liberating Freedom of the National Party.
    Even Peter’s has fought for this.
    The Nats are too gutless to make it happen.

    A nationwide garden centre chain that “cynically” flouts trading laws by opening for business on Good Friday every year has vowed to continue the illegal trading, despite today being hit with maximum fines.

    Oderings opened five stores in Christchurch and outlets in Havelock North, Napier, Upper Hutt, Hamilton, and Palmerston North on April 6, Good Friday, this year.

    Today at Christchurch District Court, a judge said there was no reason he shouldn’t impose the maximum fine of $1000 for each breach of the trading law.

    Oderings director Darryn Odering today said the judges were entitled to their “outdated opinions”.

    But his company believed it was “a bad law”, adding: “We will continue to open on Good Friday.”

    “Who suffers? The customers don’t, our staff don’t. Nobody does. It’s simply a bad law,” Mr Odering said.

    “I was working at our Barrington St centre this year and we had more than 1000 customers. We were bloody busy. If the demand wasn’t there, we wouldn’t do it.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10855330
    ————————–
    But I can buy petrol and milk and listen to the Radio and TV. I just cannot buy vegie plants.
    What a fucked up system.

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  79. Manolo (13,326 comments) says:

    Viking2, why are you surprised by Labour’s lite total lack of spine?

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  80. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Whens the world supposed to end?

    I have to decide whether its worth mowing the lawns , I don’t want the neighbours calling me an untidy bastard as Armmagedon happens.

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  81. mikenmild (10,617 comments) says:

    Will I have time to repent?

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  82. Steve (North Shore) (4,490 comments) says:

    Just don’t make any plans, then when it all doesn’t happen you have an excuse for doing nothing.

    Then again you could ask a Schoolteacher, they know everything

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  83. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Funnt you mention that, Mike

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/the_apocalypse.html#comment-1061448

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  84. wreck1080 (3,725 comments) says:

    “The Government has spent more than $1 million on consultants as part of the switch over to Novopay including $650,000 on testing of the payroll system; but ignored the results”

    So, it appears the government is ultimately responsible for the novopay debacle.

    Why would they let it go live when testers said it was not ready?

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  85. mikenmild (10,617 comments) says:

    Thanks Rodders, I’d forgotten that one. I guess we can trust Lucia Maria to be wearing out her knees doing something unproductive while everyone else has a good time.

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  86. mikenmild (10,617 comments) says:

    wreck1080
    Someone else on another thread mentioned that the previous supplier had given years of notice to quit their contract and the launch date, after two years of delays, had to proceed or there would be no system at all. So maybe they shouldn’t have bothered with any testing at all, eh?

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  87. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Tell tale signs you’re living too close to Christchurch:

    1. Your spouse has a poster of Richie McCaw as a role model.

    2. You let your 14 year old daughter smoke at the dinner table in front of her kids.

    3. You’ve been married 3 times & still have the same in laws.

    4.You attend the Warlocks & Witches seance meetings twice a week.

    5. You think Peter Ellis was guilty.

    6. One or more of your kids was born on a pool table.

    7. One or more of your kids was conceived on a pool table.

    8. You can’t get married to your childhood sweetheart because of the current bestiality laws.

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  88. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Labour does it again.
    Aussie in the crapper.

    LABOR has abandoned its election promise to return the budget to surplus this financial year, saying changed economic circumstances mean it must now protect jobs.

    Wayne Swan’s announcement, just five days from Christmas, follows new financial figures showing a $3.9 billion revenue slump in the first four months of 2012-13.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/revenue-slide-in-2012-13-makes-labors-surplus-task-harder/story-fn59niix-1226541057969

    ‘Huge whack’ to revenue means budget surplus is now unlikely: Wayne Swan

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  89. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    MORE than six decades since the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls – and thousands of years after they were written – Israel has put 5,000 images of the ancient biblical artifacts online in a partnership with Google.

    The digital library contains the Book of Deuteronomy, which includes the second listing of the Ten Commandments, and a portion of the first chapter of the Book of Genesis, dated to the first century BC.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/google-launches-dead-sea-scrolls-online-library/story-e6frgcjx-1226540428829

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  90. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    South Korea elects first female president

    SOUTH Korea has elected its first female president, with voters handing a historic victory to conservative candidate Park Geun-Hye, daughter of the country’s former military ruler.

    As leader of Asia’s fourth-largest economy, Ms Park, 60, will face numerous challenges, handling a belligerent North Korea, a slowing economy and soaring welfare costs in one of the world’s most rapidly ageing societies.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/south-korea-elects-first-female-president/story-e6frg6so-1226540830706

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  91. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Awesome: 100 Riffs.

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  92. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    But I put it to you your honour, that once adorned with tinsel and decorations it was no longer a cannabis plant but a Christmas tree!

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  93. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    Penny, I think it is quite clear what “Occupy” allege the facts are.

    In another brilliant showing of respect for democracy, Penny completely ignored the G.A. rules that it must approve all funds before they are released (over $100) by usurping the last $200+ in the bank account, without G.A. approval, ostensibly with the help of “Chris Glen” who was on the finance committee and was also a bank signatory.

    For an anti-corruption campaigner who rails against backroom-deals and conflicts of interest – how could she take money outside of G.A. process while simultaneously being tasked as auditor? (Transparency! Accountability!)

    http://occupysavvy.com/2012/11/05/penny-bright-fails-to-co-opt-occupy-auckland-again/

    Do you dispute these facts? If so, I’m sure we would all be fascinated to hear your version of “the facts”.

    There is also the question of whether it is appropriate for a self-proclaimed “public watchdog” – who is hounding John Banks over so-called anonymous donations – to accept anonymous donations.

    PENNY BRIGHT ACCEPTS ANONYMOUS DONATION.

    “A last minute anonymous donation of $10,000 is expected to save Water Pressure Group spokesperson Penny Bright from bankruptcy.”

    http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll?AC=SEE_ALSO&QF0=Descriptors&QI0==%22Bright,+Penny%22&XC=/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll&BU=&TN=LocHAM&SN=AUTO11122&SE=398&RN=830&MR=0&TR=0&TX=1000&ES=0&CS=0&XP=&RF=Displayweb&EF=&DF=&RL=0&EL=0&DL=0&NP=2&ID=&MF=WPEngMsg.ini&MQ=&TI=0&DT=&ST=0&IR=15513&NR=0&NB=0&SV=0&SS=0&BG=&FG=&QS=&OEX=ISO-8859-1&OEH=ISO-8859-1

    AND, yet ANOTHER question as to whether it is fair for someone who “claims” to be concerned about the less fortunate members of our society to picket a charity lunch that aims to raise money for a new children’s ward at Waitakere hospital, solely to make some sort of point about John Key?

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/9/general_debate_28_september_2012.html#comment-1027535

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  94. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    My new barbed wire fence is looking good! :)

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  95. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    A chippie, a virgin, the Son of God in a manger, three wise men bearing gifts, a few shepherds, an ass or two plus a couple of pretty sheep for a background effect.

    Sounds like the aftermatch function in the smoko room of Johnboy’s shearing shed.

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  96. mikenmild (10,617 comments) says:

    is your fence covered with tinsel or cannabis for the reason?

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  97. mikenmild (10,617 comments) says:

    reason should be season
    There is no reason to the season.

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  98. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    I’m worried that you might have missed the melt-down and subsequent self-imposed exile of our resident Rambo. Got a ticket for calling Michelle Obama a gorilla.

    Damn. I missed that. What thread was it on?

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  99. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Mikenmild

    Tinsel…..the shifty looking bugger who owns the lifestyle block up the road a bit might appreciate your idea. :)

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  100. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    bhudson

    General debate I think:

    Redbaiter (1,629) Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Well John Key is for redefining marriage and Barack Obama is married to a gorilla so that’s probably part of why they get along so well.

    [DPF: 20 demerits]

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  101. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    There is one bloody large bra on it at the moment.

    I’m keeping the 12G handy, blinds pulled and the lights out at present!

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  102. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    Thanks nasska. Perhaps he has been busy elsewhere fighting off the knuckle-dragging communists? Perhaps he has realised, 5 years into his 20 year plan, that he would have achieved more by doing nothing, and is deep in despair?

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  103. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    bhudson

    More like a king size hissy fit & relocation of the toys in his cot. :)

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  104. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    nasska, here’s where he spat the dummy

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/the_us_relationship.html#comment-1063222

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  105. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Yeah, saw that Rodders. DPF must have been in a relaxed mood that evening……I copped 20 of the best a few weeks back for mentioning that certain members of the Green caucus hadn’t realised that Movember was over. :)

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  106. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    :)

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  107. bc (1,332 comments) says:

    Fletch @ 3.01pm
    (Sorry for late reply, being enjoying the awesome weather)
    Damn you’re right – I love the White Stripes too.

    Jack Black is ok in small doses!

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  108. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    reply to manolo:

    Yeah, and he could also have been shot in the face. He’s fortunate he wasn’t.

    ********

    In Texas… the criminal knows they could be shot dead if they pull a gun. In NZ with our ‘sensible’ gun culture… you’re a defenceless sitting duck.

    The crims have all the power. They walk in with a loaded gun… illegal. And you can legally have… errr… nothing.

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  109. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay says:

    **Whens the world supposed to end?

    I have to decide whether its worth mowing the lawns , I don’t want the neighbours calling me an untidy bastard as Armmagedon happens.**

    reply: this comment reminds me of the last shitty thing that happened before 22/2/11. CCC were cracking down hard on ‘untidy bastards’ whose lawns had grown above 10cms at their abandoned quake damaged homes from the 2010 Darfield earthquake. And then the Port Hills quake happened and long grass was the least of anyone’s petty troubles.

    Just in case the world does end, I only cut the grass six times a year. Stretches out the life of the old lawnmower too. And less petrol. That’s life in the ‘peasant classes’ hahahaha.

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  110. UglyTruth (3,944 comments) says:

    The crims have all the power. They walk in with a loaded gun… illegal. And you can legally have… errr… nothing.

    That’s a matter of interpretation. The language of legal obligations is ambiguous.

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  111. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    reply to viking2 re: garden centres

    I think the garden centres are wankers opening on days when the shops are meant to be shut. Total total wankers.

    How many days or half days a year is it that they are required by law not to open? Is it…. fuck all?

    Does the cunt want to be able to open 366/ 24 hours a day? Open on Xmas day? No… they don’t touch xmas day even though it’s the same principle as opening on Good Friday. To be consistent they should open on xmas day too. I think for Christians Easter is actually ‘bigger’ than xmas. It’s only the general populace of ignorant brainwashed commercialised fuckwits that get most worked up about xmas. Birth of Jesus vs his *resurrection*… from the ***dead***? I think the second one is probably a bit more exciting for my money.

    I couldn’t give a fuck about religious holidays myself… if businesses are going to take the piss then the answer is to just get rid of the holidays and make it just another fucking business day. Because that’s what they’re doing.

    They get customers… because most other places *actually close*… leaving the garden centres cornering the *nothing better to do with this day off we don’t give a fuck about* market. What are you going to do? Go to the flicks? Closed. Go to the mall? Closed. Most shops? Closed. Garden centre? Hey… open!! They’ve got a nerve man. Their customers? Can shop there on one of the other fucking 360+ trading days per year. Always a pet hate of mine.

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  112. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    reply to Uglytruth:

    oh sure, no problem. I don’t claim to be an expert on NZ gun laws… that’s for sure. Hey, if people want to correct my ignorance… I’ll be most grateful for the time and effort.

    NZ gun laws vs US… very different and I think that’s easy enough for most levels of grey matter to get. I’m fairly certain you can’t serve a shop counter with a loaded .357 Magnum on your hip waiting to blow away some faggot lowlife robber in the LOTLWC…. hehehe

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  113. UglyTruth (3,944 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre,

    You’re not alone, hardly anybody understands how the system uses legalese to defraud people of their rights. The problem isn’t specific to NZ, it is a fundamental part of the civil system.

    The primary term is “person”. The ambiguity of the term is due to the fact that it can be interpreted as a physical thing (i.e. a living man, woman, or child), or it can be interpreted as a legal term for someone or something which is bound by legislation.

    Legislation does not have universal scope, its scope is limited to people who have an obligation to obey it. Legal contests involving legislation occur in courts which have a specific jurisdiction which is called jurisdiction in personam or personal jurisdiction. IOW the jurisdiction only applies to persons (i.e. people who have an obligation to the court).

    Law looks to the intent, or the intangible, while people usually look to the concrete, physical aspect of things. When someone claims to be a person within a context of law, they are implying that they owe an obligation to the state, and are therefore subject to the authority of the state.

    There is also a religious aspect to this. The civil system is based on Roman law, and Roman religion expresses the idea of universal application. This idea is expressed within the articles of religion of the head of state of NZ as the belief that the power of the civil magistrate extends to all men. This idea gains force by oath of allegiance – an oath is an act of religion.

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  114. Manolo (13,326 comments) says:

    Any excuse is good: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/end_of_world_is_very_bed_news_for_QnNdRlOJ9XcFik5zjd8JvI

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