General Debate 22 December 2012

December 22nd, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Michael (909 comments) says:

    He did it! The Doctor saved us! Thank you Doctor.

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  2. Keeping Stock (10,341 comments) says:

    Still here!! Maybe there was another page or two to the Mayan calendar after all :D

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  3. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    KS – Was it GMT?

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  4. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    No, the end of the world actually happens in America (today, 12/21). We have to wait for FoxNews to get the coverage.

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  5. Manolo (13,775 comments) says:

    Some gullible people thought otherwise: http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/12/21/some-thought-massive-power-outage-in-annapolis-marked-end-of-the-world/

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  6. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    Gandalf Sir Ian gets another slap-down. http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2012/12/21/taking-issue-with-gandalf-again/

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  7. Keeping Stock (10,341 comments) says:

    Tracy Watkins gives her assessment of Hekia Parata, and it’s not pretty. Surely, John Key has to act to stem the bleeding in Education in the New Year…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/watkins-on-parata.html

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  8. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    Sad to see Armstrong in his dottage this morning in the Herald (desperate).
    Sorry but I don’t think either Labour or Greenpeace NZ Branch will give him a high list seat.
    He appeared in his article to be a sad old man – needs a very long holiday.
    Used to think he had some common sense, but not recently – he has become immersed in his own little little fantasy world.

    BUT

    Roughan in the same paper has conceded that the media were taken to the cleaners on the ACC/Pullar saga.
    The Privacy Commissioner’s report on page 99 (of 102 pages) concedes that any so called leak was a virtually non existant in realistic terms, and a copy of part of the spreadsheet contained in the report shows really nothing in terms of a breach of privacy.
    Lady Cruella Boag and her mate rightly conned the media and ACC.

    But of course other than looking at the PC’s report the media will chose to ignore the con – what them – never.
    But there is always Armstrong !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  9. flipper (4,067 comments) says:

    A problem awaiting Wellington?

    I sent yesterday’s report on the WCC’s new chief executive to a smart, ex Oxford Don and financial supporter, now Cornwall, UK, resident to ask ask his opinion on their latest export. His response:

    ” You might also be interested to know that The Daily Telegraph reported Cornwall County Council during this guy’s tenure as top of the list of councils racking up massive credit card expense claims by their apparatchiks, and that for a council, which is one of the poorer ones in England. It is also heavily into AGW and its [disastrous :) ] spin-offs such as wind farms and solar panel arrays.

    Hope Wellington’s experience proves to be more successful. …..” Gee, thanks Rupert! :)

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  10. alwyn (425 comments) says:

    There is a letter in today’s Dom/Post about Hekia Parata.
    One of the points it argues is that List MPs shouldn’t be eligible for Cabinet roles. The writer of the letter, a Keith Williamson of Raumati Beach, says that not having won an electorate she has no mandate.
    My first reaction was, of course, how stupid is that?
    My second was to decide that it is a great idea, and that it should apply retrospectively. Look at the advantages. Michael Cullen would never have been Minister of Finance. Winston Peters would never have been Forign Minister. I insist that anything paid to Cullen and Peters for the ministerial roles be repaid immediately.
    Even better, NONE of the Green MPs will ever be in Cabinet.
    Giving up Joyce and Grosser would be a loss but the other effects would make it worth while.

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  11. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    A few well publicised sentences along this line in New Zealand would go a long way to reducing a national disgrace.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2251758/Mother-jailed-letting-son-die-hands-boyfriend-hit-hard-liver-split-two.html

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  12. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Are we ever going to stop hearing CYF blathering on about “changing work practices” when another fuckup occurs? For fuckup read somebody murdered or maimed.

    Has it occurred to CYF that pro-actively putting processes and systems in place is a better way of going about things than reactively snivelling about in the wake of complaints and bad publicity and trying patch things up when it’s all gone wrong? In fact, one has to wonder if all they do is snivel about. When it goes bad, the circumstances invariably suggest that there isn’t in fact any focus on or thought about what ought to take place when dealing with potential problem situations or indeed, even identifying potential problem situations. Where on earth do they find the people who are supposedly charged with getting things right?

    Paula Bennett has had four years to sort this shit out and there is absolutely no sign that she has done anything more than her predecessors. Instead we hear the same weasel words from her that we hear from CYF itself.

    Paula, there is more to your job than getting people off the bludge. Peoples lives are at stake. Get your fucking shit together and sort this out.

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  13. flipper (4,067 comments) says:

    Apropos Parata, I received a thoughtful email from a friend, and National Party member, yesterday promoting a new bumper sticker for the holiday season:

    “Collins for Education : The SSC for the knacker’s yard.”

    Makes sense, don’t you think? :)

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  14. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    An experimental South Africa team romped to an eight-wicket win over New Zealand in their opening Twenty20 game on Friday after the Black Caps slumped to their third-lowest T20 score in a dismal start to their tour.
    South Africa needed just 12.1 overs to reach 87-2 and overhaul New Zealand’s 86 all out.
    Left badly exposed by the absence of experienced players themselves including former captain Ross Taylor New Zealand needed 23 from debutant Colin Munro to help it past its record low in 20-over games, 80 all out against Pakistan in 2010.

    Normal business has resumed for our cricket team. :(

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  15. Reid (16,467 comments) says:

    The real men in black:

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  16. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    LAC

    Interesting that McCullum seemed unapologetic, essentially saying that they were intentionally aggressive but didn’t get a couple of things right, or words to that effect. His comment didn’t seem to indicate that there would be any change in attitude the next time around. Hesson wanted positive and it looks like he’s going to get it. I wonder how this will all work out. Two day test matches would leave plenty of time for some R&R at the beach.

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  17. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    Where a minister resigns, the honourable thing is to follow Lord Carrington’s example and leave the cabinet.
    Simply relinquishing a portfolio but remaining a minister is hardly a resignation, more a job reassignment.

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  18. BlueGriffon (204 comments) says:

    If you want to see nasty leftist hatred in action check out the comments on here: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10855433

    Looks like an email went out from Labour head office to comment on a certain thread, or Bomber is using 99 fake identities:)

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  19. Reid (16,467 comments) says:

    A good question raised by Fran: should Elias recuse herself from the water rights case?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10855648

    Then have a browse through this site:

    http://www.kiwisfirst.com/index.asp?PageID=2145845328

    In particular scroll down to “NZ JUDGES INCAPABLE OF IDENTIFYING BIAS” and for interest, read the sidebar article and this one “ONE MAN’S STRUGGLE AGAINST PRIVATE PROFITEERING OFF STATE OWNED ASSETS LEFT HIM FEELING SAFER LIVING OVERSEAS”

    Justice? Yeah right. Hulun’s moves during her execrable reign just become starker and starker, don’t they.

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  20. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    @thedavincimode: But McCullum is right. They need to get a couple of things right for the next game:

    1. The batsmen have to score runs – around 180 in T20 will be competitive.
    2. The bowlers have to take wickets – 10 will do.

    There ya go Brendan – if you can sort just these ‘couple of things’ I’m sure the results will soon come….

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  21. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    telegraph.co.uk have started putting high-interest stories behind a paywall. Grrr. I’d prefer to ignore advertising!

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  22. flipper (4,067 comments) says:

    Christmas presents that are unwanted?

    Say what you like about the “zip it, sweetie” girl, Bennett runs a reasonably tidy ship in terms of payment dates that clash with public holidays. :)

    All Nat Super and other payments due on Christmas Day have already been made. Those due on New Year’s Day will be made and available on Saturday next.

    Parata and Education bureaucrats have Novapay as an unwanted Christmas present.

    Now, it seems, Peter Dunne and the “new” IRD chief, have an unthinking IRD bureaucracy to thank for poisoning their Christmas stockings.

    IRD collects child support payments from estranged parents and pays it to the other parent every month (they hold the money for at least a month, and pay it four weeks behind!).

    Every week, IRD also makes WFF payments on a Monday. The money (let us disregard the morality of the WFF scheme ) represents a tax refund or transfer.

    This year IRD has processed payments for WFF and Child Support due on Tuesday (Christmas Day) next week, but they have instructed Westpac that they are NOT to release transfer of the monies until Monday evening. This means that none of those minimise will be available for pre-Christmas Day shopping. Christmas Day is not an option since all shops are closed. And the same thing will occur the following week, but at least many shops will open on New Year’s Day.

    Very smart, and caring folk those IRD bureaucrats. Their response thus far has been to tell at least one family that they should have budgeted better.

    The issue has already been bumped (by two families that I know of) to Peter Dunne as the Minister in Charge of the IRD. There seems little prospect of the IRD’s instruction to Westpac being amended before Monday. But it does show that there is a need for a Government-wide protocol for such matters. There is also time for Dunne to tell IRD to change arrangements for the New Year payment day.

    AND, there is a very strong case for the new IRD Commissioner to get his butt kicked!

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  23. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    So New Zealand didn’t win the cricket then?
    Why not?

    Mike Hessan has a great record with Otago cricket ( they won a one day tournament once you know) and he played for Otago B, surely with credentials like that we will be strding across the cricketing world like a boss.

    Why are NZC fucking up the game I truly love,? cocks

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  24. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    the latest rort…full and final? Pfft.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/8111200/Three-more-iwi-to-sign-treaty-deal

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  25. Sofia (857 comments) says:

    Sir Ian McKellen is a wonderful actor and a brilliant Gandalf.  I took issue with him in September over ‘moral policing’ the use of the word “gay” and for slapping our prime minister over the wrist for his use of the word in rebounded common parlance (‘weird,’ ‘at variance’). The irony of its being appropriated and its meaning totally changed by the gay community over several recent decades seemed to be lost to his Wizardnes
    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2012/12/21/taking-issue-with-gandalf-again/

    I wonder what McKellen thinks of what his friends hope to do with the word ‘marriage’?

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  26. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    eatsbay

    surely with credentials like that we will be strding across the cricketing world like a boss.

    Yes, except NZ Cricket policy is to crawl across the cricketing world like a bitch.

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  27. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    laj – mornin’ starboard.

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  28. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    I think I’m right in saying that the IRD is led by an import.
    Maybe another one to go home with a golden handshake followed by a number of others still being recruited.

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  29. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    flipper @9.43am

    I don’t think that Parata should resign because ahe is a list MP. There are plenty of other reasons why she should resign:
    – she has ZERO people skills
    – she cannot work with others
    – she refuses to listen to advice
    – she has no understanding of her portfolio
    – she has limited communications skills, repeats the same soundbites and politik-speak in the desperate hope trhat if she says the same thing enough times people will start to believe her

    Audrey Young has a thoughtful piece in the Herald that provides quite a bit of insight
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10855626

    Also an article from Tracey Watkins (stuff) is interesting reading:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8110976/Parata-loses-her-poise-under-pressure

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  30. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    rodders…mornin’ mikenmilk..

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  31. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Meanwhile John Key gives Parata a rating of 6 out of 10. Ye gods!!!!
    (Other MP’s and the governments handling of issues in 2012 also gets ratings from Key)

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10855506

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  32. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    starboard…I understand Mike lives in Wellington.
    btw how are the bowels?

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  33. MT_Tinman (3,186 comments) says:

    Elaycee (3,223) Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 10:03 am
    @thedavincimode: But McCullum is right. They need to get a couple of things right for the next game:

    1. The batsmen have to score runs – around 180 in T20 will be competitive.
    2. The bowlers have to take wickets – 10 will do.

    There ya go Brendan – if you can sort just these ‘couple of things’ I’m sure the results will soon come….

    It was candyfloss cricket crap for christs sake, it doesn’t bloody matter.

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  34. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    The holiday period- Chrsitmas and New Year – the nadir time for New Zealand print media.

    Over the next couple of weeks we will be treated to:

    Numerous columns on hangover cures.
    Numerous columns on how to get your job back after trying to shag the bosses wife at the Xmas piss up.
    Numerous best of columns
    Numerous of little Johnny and Suzie building sand castles at The Mount
    Numerous D listers giving us their New Year resolutions
    Numerous columns of predictions for the New Year from Bernard Hickey et al ( bernie , most of us know our arse from our elbow, you don’t)
    Numerous stories of how harsh life is after some ” rat bag with a heart of gold” kills himself while pissed driving at 200 kmph and how it wasn’t really his fault it was the governments.

    Almost looking for to the bludgers and troughers getting back to their undergradurate behaviour in Wellington already

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  35. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    It was candyfloss cricket crap for christs sake, it doesn’t bloody matter.

    Yes it does while they carry the name New Zealand Mens Cricket team, I dislike 20/20 but if they must call it a rep side, I’d like them to put out the best team with a coach who has some idea other than naming his mates at captain. Been a bit surprised that Hessan hasn’t found a role for Stewie yet, but I suppose its early in the season

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  36. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Bit irritable rodders but getting by..

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  37. flipper (4,067 comments) says:

    Bc…
    You misunderstood. I never suggested she resign from Parliament.
    I am not sure about all oif the reasons you list, but I can say that I found her charming (when she wants something!), engaging whern appeas to listen, and plaiun dumb and forgetful when she got her warrants.. But above all, she was promoted far too soon.

    Her husband (Sir Wira) probably drives a lot of her impetuosity, dating back to his Army command days.. But most of all, she has been driven by a Ministry that is out of touch. It is also interesting that when Clark did the big school closure round a few years ago, the NZEI/PPTA was notable for absence.
    So, she haf a tough road to trudge. That is why I say we need Colliun in Education (full time!). :)

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  38. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    MT_Tinman:

    ..it doesn’t bloody matter.

    Actually, it does. It’s now in the history books that a team representing our country was humiliated by an RSA trial team. It’s a total embarrassment. And McCullum says there were a ‘couple of things’ that went wrong they need to work on….

    I don’t have an urge to run off and slash my wrists every time they lose, but I want them to compete / put up a decent fight.

    But I’ve had enough of the constant ineptitude that is on display with much to do with NZ Cricket – on and off the field. For me, the rot set in when John Wright pulled out citing his inability to function with John Buchanan. And we have lurched from crisis to crisis ever since… :(

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  39. Fletch (6,390 comments) says:

    Woman who survived a mass shooting in 1991 argues against gun control. Very good..

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  40. cha (4,018 comments) says:

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  41. Fletch (6,390 comments) says:

    cha, and yet kids witness thousands of acts a violence on TV every year. To add to that thousands of as-yet-unborn children experience violence in the womb. If we can kill children in the womb, it’s no wonder that society’s respect for life has fallen.

    I don’t think guns are the problem at all.

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  42. cha (4,018 comments) says:

    I don’t think guns are the problem at all.

    Really, gun deaths in America since Newtown, 112, and guns aren’t the problem?.

    https://twitter.com/GunDeaths

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  43. cha (4,018 comments) says:

    Oh look, 2 more.

    http://www.news9.com/story/20401314/suspect-shoots-man-then-kills-self-on-i-35-in-okc

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  44. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Paradise NZ.

    http://screencast.com/t/7vKMvEGp

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  45. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    LAC

    Interesting that McCullum seemed unapologetic, essentially saying that they were intentionally aggressive but didn’t get a couple of things right, or words to that effect. His comment didn’t seem to indicate that there would be any change in attitude the next time around.

    Agrred davinic, almost choked on my breakfast when I read that. Unbelievable. How is an “aggressive mindset” going to help when it nets you 150 in a test innings, where valuing your wicket might net you 400? What a wanker. It really is a microcosm of McCullum’s personal game, where one innings may be so breathtaking it glosses over the next 25 failures.

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  46. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    150 team score I should have said ^^^

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  47. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    “So New Zealand didn’t win the cricket then?”

    How ironic though, the top scorer for both sides was South African. If I recall correctly, it was Pauleastbay who got all hot under the collar when someone referred to Bryce Courtenay as Australasia’s greatest author. Funny that. I reckon we need even more Saffers in the Backcaps. Carl Cachopa must be close to a call up.

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  48. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Dean

    We need a team that can be competitive, I dont care where they are fromthey are not denying their country of birth – Courtenay was claimed as an Aussie by the Aussies and like I said at the time they’ll claim you if you park in a transit lounge

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  49. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    Dean Papa

    I haven’t picked up a cricket bat for thirty years yet such is the depth of talent in the Black Caps I have my bag packed in full expectation of a call up in the next few days.

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  50. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    I’d say Courtenay claimed Oz just as much as Oz claimed him. He only lived there for half a century or so. I think we need to get over this Kiwi inferiority complex, don’t you reckon?

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  51. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Dean , whats your point?, he was not born an Australian, my wife was born an Australian, just because you live somewhere for a long time does not change your country of birth. You might have also noticed whenever the Aussies want to deport a Maori , he is always referred to as a New Zealander even though he might have lived in Australia for 50 years.

    No inferiority complex here just the Aussies tend to cherry pick who they claim as their own, which may in fact be some type of complex , who knows?

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  52. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    Yet Pauleastbay, your reply displays the symptoms of this inferiority complex. You just don’t realise it. Repeat after me ‘Phar Lap was a great Ozzie racehorse!”

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  53. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Deano, fuck off, Phar lap was from Timaru, repeat Timaru South Canterbury, Washdyke Timaru South Canterbury.

    You might have noticed that New Zealanders don’t ever feel the need to claim Tony Shaw as a New Zealander even though he captained the Wallabies and died prematurely

    or Clarrie Grimmet, claimed by the Aussies, as a matter of fact he’s from Dunedin and if he wasn’t dead Hessan would probably draft him into the New Zealand Squad immediately

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  54. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    >blockquote>if he wasn’t dead Hessan would probably draft him into the New Zealand Squad immediately

    He might still do that anyway.

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  55. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    @#&%^* edit

    Mind you, I’m starting to think the absence of the edit function is a good thing. Otherwise we might never have noticed the Warrior Blogger referring to Michelle Obama as a unicorn (gorilla).

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  56. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    Do you think some eagle eyed fan might notice Davinci? Better to play it safe & lean a cardboard cutout of a batsman against the wicket. :)

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  57. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    don’t know about Tony Shaw, but we do ‘claim’ Clarrie Grimmet. I’ve seen him included in lists of top NZ wicket takers. But you need to calm down Pauleastbay, there’s no excuse for foul language. Phar Lap never raced in NZ. Not one single race. In a social history context, Phar Lap’s fame extends well beyond his mere success as a racehorse. It is also linked to the times in which he raced, the depression era, in Oz . No amount of statues built 75 years after the fact will change that. It’s your inferiority complex that makes you think that Oz cherry pick who they claim, and NZ, apparently does not. You have a typical distorted view of reality. Have Oz claimed Mahe Drysdale yet? I heard Irene van Dyke called the ‘greatest netballer NZ has produced’ (might have been the Deaker show on sky sport). Do you reckon South African’s should get hot under the collar over that?

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  58. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    nasska

    I thought that was what they were doing already , so I didn’t think that having a cardboard cutout of Clarrie Grimmet ought to be such a big deal.

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  59. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    Oh shit! I just saw the cricket lowlights on TV.

    Terrible batting.
    Wayward bowling.
    Pathetic fielding.
    And yet Brendan thinks there are just ‘a couple of things’ they need to get right….. :(

    Prey for rain!

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  60. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    Bugger Edit….. Should have read ‘pray for rain’…

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  61. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

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    Ginger-haired Labour Party troublemaker, gets slit-eyed and shitty after a few pints, seeks attractive, wealthy lady for bail purposes, no sex involved Box 84/87

    Chartered accountant, 42, seeks female for marriage. Duties will include cooking, light cleaning and accompanying me to office social functions. References required. No timewasters. Box 3/45

    Bad-tempered, foul-mouthed old bastard living in a damp cottage in the arse end of South Auckland seeks attractive 21-year old blonde lady with big tits. Box 40/27

    Devil-worshipper, Addington area, seeks like-minded lady for wining and dining, good conversation, dancing, romantic walks and slaughtering dogs in cemeteries at midnight under the flinty light of a pale moon. Box 52/07

    Green MP, 37, medium build, brown hair, blue eyes, seeks alibi for the night of November 27 between 8pm and 11.30pm. Box 32/44

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  62. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    nasska @ 8.00
    there are 3 people involved, and they aint talking

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  63. Michael (909 comments) says:

    @Elaycee – just the batting and bowling, that’s all.

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  64. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    How do you think they would hold up under torture? Something like being interrogated over a swiss ball or being forced to listen to every David Shearer interview on a looped tape? :)

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  65. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    The Liarbore social networking is a crock, and they keep on with the head smacking

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  66. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    China Demands US Citizens Be Disarmed
    Posted on December 19, 2012

    chinese_military

    The official Chinese government news agency, Xinhua, has demanded the US immediately adopt stricter gun control measures to reduce the number of firearms the US populace is permitted to possess.

    Read more: http://conservativebyte.com/2012/12/china-demands-us-citizens-be-disarmed/#ixzz2FlgvtQMm

    http://conservativebyte.com/2012/12/china-demands-us-citizens-be-disarmed/

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  67. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    nasska

    Bad-tempered, foul-mouthed old bastard living in a damp cottage

    Oops, South Auckland, not Tauranga. Wrong person.

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  68. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    You’ve given me the gem of an idea Davinci! >:-D

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  69. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Gem or germ?

    Sleep tight. Don’t let the unicorns bite..

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  70. Redbaiter (8,900 comments) says:

    Kiwiblog- where there are more smarmy bitchy old queers than all the other blogs combined.

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  71. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    nasska @ dec 22 4:56pm

    Hey everybody….. wow… nasska is **Martin Crowe**!!!!!! YEAH!!!!

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