General Debate 26 December 2012

December 26th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Steve (North Shore) (4,561 comments) says:

    Ahead of the first

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  2. Steve (North Shore) (4,561 comments) says:

    Righto, up and at em. Work to be done, no slacking off

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  3. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Yes, there are the sales to get to.

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  4. Steve (North Shore) (4,561 comments) says:

    Dam right Mike. Get nexts years Xmas gifts now

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  5. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    a vision of hell…or at least purgatory…competing with the sheeple to get “a bargain”…

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  6. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    David
    You need a teenage daughter keen on clothes shopping. It has its entertaining side, and I get to go to the cricket this pm.

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  7. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    Mike, that’s a cruel and unusual punishment to wish upon anyone.

    Ham for breakfast anyone?

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  8. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    DG, how very true. Im about to wave goodbye to my girls, the wife and the daughter, as they head for ‘sales nirvana’. Boys and I are cleaning the BBQ, making sure the bubbles are chilling, planning lunch and dinner from the cookbooks I got – Nigel Slater and Rick Stein – and then going to shoot the crud out of anything that moves on the XBox. Its good to be a guy :)

    PS. Boxing Day is also traditionally rabbit hunt day in my house. Head out onto the back blocks of a mates farm, and give my grandfathers Mannlicher, found during the battle for Monte Casino, its annual outing. So, if I have any luck, next few days will see rabbit on the menu, yum :)

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  9. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    He’s a hardworker: It’s the 110th time of his presidency and the 18th outing of the year.
    http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/12/24/christmas-eve-golf-obama/

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  10. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Shock, horror, president has holiday and plays golf.

    Is that it, really? FFS, given what hes doing to the US economy, surely you can find better than that – “Socialist plays elitist game whilst laughing at huddled masses”

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  11. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Jesus Manalo, 0.53 rounds of golf a week isn’t exactly taking the piss,
    you are cheery bastard, no two ways about that

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  12. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    Hmno: I am not sure wghat calibre this weapon of yours is, but if it was found duruing the battle of Monte Cassino it’ll be something a bit bigger than a firkin rabbit gun won’t it? Even a .222 makes a bloody mess of them..

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  13. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Manolo

    I would be inclined to encourage the Messiah to play as much golf as he wishes…..even turn pro!

    Every hour he spends on the golf course is an hour that he doesn’t spend stuffing the USA.

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  14. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Feral scum..and the punishment from our sick ‘justice’ system will be a wet bus ticket slap.

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8585092/youth-tries-to-shock-cop-with-own-taser

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  15. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    According to the Sydney Morning Herald, the Imam, or head, or Australia’s biggest mosque has issued a fatwa on Christmas, saying that Muslims should not partake, or even wish anyone else a Merry Christmas –

    THE Lakemba Mosque has issued a fatwa against Christmas, warning followers it is a ”sin” to even wish people a Merry Christmas.

    The religious ruling, which followed a similar lecture during Friday prayers at Australia’s biggest mosque, was posted on its Facebook site on Saturday morning.

    The head imam at Lakemba, Sheikh Yahya Safi, had told the congregation during prayers that they should not take part in anything to do with Christmas.

    Samir Dandan, the president of the Lebanese Muslim Association, which oversees the mosque, could not be reached for comment on Saturday.

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    The fatwa, which has sparked widespread community debate and condemnation, warns that the “disbelievers are trying to draw Muslims away from the straight path”.

    It also says that Christmas Day and associated celebrations are among the “falsehoods that a Muslim should avoid … and therefore, a Muslim is neither allowed to celebrate the Christmas Day nor is he allowed to congratulate them”.

    The posting of the fatwa has shocked many Muslim leaders. The Grand Mufti of Australia, Ibrahim Abu Mohammad, said the foundations of Islam were peace, co-operation, respect and holding others in esteem.

    “Anyone who says otherwise is speaking irresponsibly,” he said.

    “There is difference between showing respect for someone’s belief and sharing those beliefs,” Dr Ibrahim said.

    Dr Ibrahim said the views did not represent the majority of Muslims in Australia. “We are required to have good relations with all people, and to congratulate them on their joyous events is very important.”

    The fatwa quotes the teacher Imam Ibn Al-Qayyim as saying that congratulating disbelievers for their rituals is forbidden, and if a “Muslim who says this does not become a disbeliever himself, he at least commits a sin as this is the same as congratulating him for his belief in the trinity, which is a greater sin and much more disliked by Almighty Allaah than congratulating him for drinking alcohol or killing a soul or committing fornication or adultery”.

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/no-merriness-here-mosque-puts-fatwa-on-christmas-20121222-2bsk2.html

    At least he is being honest, I guess.

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  16. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    An honest response would be to ask Moslems in English speaking countries to use the term “the God” rather than the Arabic term. The latter form is either an affectation of a name for God or indicative of an imperial Arab supremacism in the Moslem faith.

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  17. Flyingkiwi9 (54 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10856090

    Alcohol was involved and the police area commander things it was a massive factor.

    I however believe that, while these people were certainly impaired by alcohol, they are just idiots and blaming alcohol is a scape goat for the fact they deserve a good 20 years behind bars. If getting boozed up means you’re in the habit of assaulting police officers, then you are a violent person.

    Don’t try and use this as evidence to damage everyone else’s right to drink.

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  18. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    I see that Muslims have killed 6 Christians at Midnight Mass in Nigeria, including the pastor….

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  19. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    DG, its a 6.5×54 MS that he found and used when serving with the 28th. Hard old bastard he was :) He gave it to my father, and thus on to me. What I shoot (rabbit) with it isn’t worth bringing home :) Ive used it on pig and deer, far better for them I find. We think – the only people Ive spoken to in NZ about it who know anything – its around 100 years old. Packs quite a punch.

    Mr 12 and I use the .22’s for rabbit, head shots, anything else we also leave behind.

    I also have his .303. Noisy, fearsome stopping power. This was a Holland & Holland sniper conversion. I remember him telling me on competition days, when they tried for the ‘mad minute’ records, he was always in the top 5. Had no idea what that was until I read up on it a few years back. Quite something really.

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  20. eszett (2,408 comments) says:

    liarbors a joke (319) Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Feral scum..and the punishment from our sick ‘justice’ system will be a wet bus ticket slap.

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8585092/youth-tries-to-shock-cop-with-own-taser

    Dargaville? I’d have thought that having to live in Dargaville is punishment enough. ;-)

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  21. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    hmmo: If you have a grandfather who was in the 28th you have a very proud heritage….and I am not taking the piss….it must have pained those old guys no end in later years to see ignorant f…s strutting round in gang patches seig heiling each other…but then perhaps if your grandad’s generation had banned the bastards from marae years ago and called them out for the scum they are they wouldn’t have the kudos they have today…no disrespect to your grandad himself…

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  22. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    fletch

    That’s the third year in a row that our brothers from the religion of peace have attacked churches in Nigeria at Christmas. The tactic appears to be working in Kano where churches were deserted for Christmas.

    The mistake the west makes is tolerating the intolerant.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1225/breaking12.html

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  23. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    kowtow, the telegraph has a story saying that Christianity is near extinction in the Middle East, thanks for the violence against Christians.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9762745/Christianity-close-to-extinction-in-Middle-East.html

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  24. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    for to the violence.

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  25. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    Jewish communities throughout the Muslim Middle East already expelled. Christians now. All the while they increase their numbers in the west. And in their western ghettoes Europeans driven out.

    Meanwhile politicians of all colours push “multiculturalism” and the MSM refuse to address the danger.

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  26. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    An enlightened African ruler…not. What a lot of savages.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2252955/Rape-provoking-miniskirts-crop-tops-banned-king-Swaziland-offenders-facing-months-jail.html

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  27. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    It was and continues to be the subject of much heated debate in our family DG. Im over the whinging expectation attitudes shown by far too many of my extended family, and in particular, as noted before elsewhere on KB, John Hatfield is amongst them.

    He used to hold me out as what Maori could become with hard work, but now quietly – never to my face of course, he doesn’t have the nuts for that – slags me off as an elitist traitor. Every so often we run into each other at family events, and I remind him, gently, of what great responsibility he carries on his shoulders. But then he doesn’t understand, and never will.

    I dont know if banning them would have made much difference, TBH. They lack the mana to be anything other than outliers, albeit noisy ones who think scaring the public and particularly grannies is sport. Funny, they didnt bother trying it on with my granny, let alone Papa M. Granny had more cahonies than the lot of em :)

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  28. Kea (12,837 comments) says:

    Meanwhile politicians of all colours push “multiculturalism” and the MSM refuse to address the danger.

    Very true. I have Muslim friends and have been romantically involved with Muslim women, which means family approval. But I am sure they would agree with you kowtow. Most of them admire Western culture, but Western culture sells out to the noisy extremists. It is not the Muslims we should blame, but our home grown lefty liberals.

    I would not call it the “religion of peace” but at the same time, most Muslims do not support radical/strict Islam.

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  29. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    http://roflzone.com/wtf-calvin-2/#45wYrUSbz7XmOmRw.01

    Another example why a university education is a waste.

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  30. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    https://vimeo.com/50792317

    probably why there should be warning labels on religions.

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  31. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Commentators are now suffering severe vitamin D deficiency over at the three professors thread. David Bain threads require a health warning

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  32. Scott Chris (6,137 comments) says:

    fatwa on Christmas,

    Are you sure he didn’t declare a fat war on Chriistmas ’cause of all the over indulging Fletch?

    Mind you, the mid-winter solstice feast from which Christmas was derived was all about stuffing yourself so maybe there’s something atavistic in our Christmas eating behaviour.

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  33. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    Christmas is derived from the Gospels.

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  34. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    So, Are we going to rush off to Iran in defense of Israel then where ever else the States wants us to go?

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  35. Reid (16,452 comments) says:

    Christmas is derived from the Gospels.

    No, it’s not.

    http://voices.yahoo.com/the-history-christmas-its-pagan-origins-646539.html?cat=74

    http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm

    And those are just the first two of over 4 million links.

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  36. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    The Pope’s Christmas message this year calls for people of all faiths to put aside their differences and unite in love and compassion.

    And shoot all the shirtlifters.

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  37. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    The Pope mentioned various groups for people to pray for. He did not mention the elderly. I feel they deserve a special mention.. They suffer in a wide variety of ways. Much elder abuse goes unreported. Here in CHCH , quite a few greedy , ”needy” adult children have got down on their elderly parents home repair money.
    I agree Kowtow and Fletch..all sorts of ugliness from the muslims at this time of year.

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  38. Reid (16,452 comments) says:

    I agree Kowtow and Fletch..all sorts of ugliness from the muslims at this time of year.

    And of course there’s never any ugliness from our side, is there. No, of course not.

    http://rt.com/news/israel-settlements-eastern-jerusalem-811/

    Or if there is, let’s get all proportional and carefully analyse the western media for “evidence,” since of course we don’t trust the raghead media to tell the truth, at all, ever, do we. I mean you’d have to be a nutcase to believe anything they say. That just goes without saying. Then and only then, shall the truth be out and the west, in all its magnificent benevolence and its unjustly persecuted victimhood for no reason at all shall be demonstrably shown to be lily white and innocent of all charges, lest we’re unable to kiss our children goodnight and sleep soundly, confident in our supreme righteous justice amongst humanity.

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  39. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Reid,
    just go right ahead man , defend the indefensible. You have been doing it for a long time now. Perhaps in your next lifetime you will be born as a woman and the theoretical life will take a dive..here is hoping.

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  40. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    The ship has finally docked at Portsmouth and the entire crew rushes to get off, except Bob, who just stands at the railing calmly smoking a cigarette.

    “You must be the only one who doesn’t have a wife to go home to,” says the captain.

    “Quite the opposite,” says Bob. “I’m the only one who does.”

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  41. Reid (16,452 comments) says:

    defend the indefensible

    You mean invade Iraq because of all those Saudi’s who crashed the planes into the Twin Towers?

    Absolutely.

    I mean they must have had something to do with it, mustn’t they. Otherwise… Crikey.

    I just raise that joana because unless and until you know, not suspect but know, the event that ushered in the war on terror wasn’t kosher, you won’t realise the muslim-christian conflict is a setup the same way that wasn’t.

    But if you’re talking about defending the indefensible, all you need to look at is the facts. The numbers of babies, women, children killed. Of course to look at those objectively, you need to suspend temporarily the attitude that they’re not real humans just like our western casualties aren’t not real humans but as a woman you’ll have a head-start over me in that regard, when you’re looking at the facts.

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  42. Kea (12,837 comments) says:

    joana, can you please tell me which Christian countries are occupied by Muslim armies and which Christian countries are subject to drone strikes from Muslim countries along with other military action ?

    Thanks…

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  43. Kea (12,837 comments) says:

    The United States Army will be deploying troops to nearly three-dozen African nations in the coming year.

    Additionally, the AP says that US troops will head specifically to Libya, Sudan, Algeria and Niger in order to prepare for any advances from al-Qaeda linked groups. Americans will also train and equip forces in Kenya and Somalia, reportedly, in order to stand up to al-Shabab militants. Despite the troops being deployed to more than half of the countries in Africa, though, the AP reports that Uncle Sam will try to avoid giving the impression that the United States is leaving a substantial footprint across the continent.

    Now Obama has his troops all over the Middle East, he is looking to expand over the rest of Islam, BIG TIME, in the new year.

    http://rt.com/usa/news/us-deploying-troops-order-749/

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  44. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    SPC (1,714) Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    An honest response would be to ask Moslems in English speaking countries to use the term “the God” rather than the Arabic term. The latter form is either an affectation of a name for God or indicative of an imperial Arab supremacism in the Moslem faith.

    Honest isn’t the word I’d use. The Arabic term is related to the Hebrew word for “God”, but is singular rather than plural.

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  45. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    I hope attacks on our police don’t become some sort of tradition for this time of year, What the hell is going on out there?

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  46. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Enter this post at your own risk….

    I love today’s life lesson….

    It was twofold; an example of context and secondly an example of how life can be swings and roundabouts.

    On the 25th the weather in Wellington was too hot to want to do anything. So-called ‘perfect’ weather. I waited until 11pm to run/ walk 10kms. For the first time in 2012 I ran without a top. It was just too damn hot. I ran with concrete legs and used up all of my 60 minute time limit. The heat was actually depressing all day.

    Now usually… I hate Wellington when the bad weather hits. Which is all too often. It’s usually bad news and I hate it. Usually.

    And so it was that the weather turned… and now I have to run 10kms in classic Wellington driving wind and rain at 10:30pm. I bend my body hunched over running into the biting teeth of a gusty southerly. I’m wearing a hat and gloves. The T shirt is required and is wringing wet in no time. The headphones are harder to hear. Radio reception is crackly. Sinus canals start filling and need emptying. The private parts go AWOL in search of shelter. Battling the elements provokes screaming and swearing to vent the frustration. Bleeding nipples are a possibility and are guaranteed to be left sore.

    That’s your typical stock standard shitty weather in Wellington. Bloody shitarse horrible night. And you know what? I’ve never been so *grateful* and *thankful* to run in it in my whole life. I begged and pleaded for it to come along. Wish granted. It’s got nothing on the stifling heat. I ran a quick 10kms in 46’36” and sang to Def Leppard ‘Love Bites’ in the chorus. Reminds me of the saying ‘even a stopped clock is right twice a day’. Sometimes even bad Wellington weather can be a good thing. Every cloud has a silver lining. And to go from running topless to hat and gloves? Only in Wellington.

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  47. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    nasska…. hahahahaha…..’shirtlifters’!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

    Saving to memory…../////////// done.

    So many problems in the world… all these people with miserable existences… yeeshk… sad.

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  48. Kea (12,837 comments) says:

    A call for more guns.

    “Attacks on police lead to call for arms”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8120686/Attacks-on-police-lead-to-call-for-arms

    I wonder who is “calling” and I wonder if they would run a headline demanding guns for innocent home owners murdered and raped, which is far more common?

    I also wonder if NZ is ready for youths to be shot dead for disorder offences …

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  49. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Azeraph,
    A nine year old was pepper sprayed..
    Reid and Kea ,
    I haven’t time to respond as have to go to work..also you are too theoretical for me Reid. I haven’t got time to endlessly split hairs..It is not something I enjoy doing..one point ..You mention muslim -christian conflict..In many places , the media makes this case when really it is solely muslim persecution of Christians..for eg in Kenya where recent Obama family encouraged persecution , is being described as ”tribal violence.”
    If Muslims are so chummy , why are there hardly any Christians and Jews left in the Middle east? These were former Christian and Jewish areas..
    Duty calls.
    Spare a thought for the poor Indian women subjected to terror ,rape, acid burnings etc..indeed spare at thought for the women all over muslim controlled areas of the world, who are beaten daily , kept inside forced to breed , murdered if they a have a single solitary thought of their own..I am talking about muslim women as well as non muslim women.
    As in many areas of life most women do not have the luxury of the cloud borne , theoretical life. I almost envy you Reid.

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