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Last night irishBill escalated the civil war between Labour leadership and party activists at The Standard.
Word is that a senior Labour MP (who will go unnamed) has been lobbying National Council to put rules in place for party members who participate in the blogosphere. It appears they don’t like the idea that members might voice their concerns about the way their party is run. I can only assume that there would have to be some kind of a process whereby members who broke these rules would face a loss of membership or some other form of censure.
There’s been a predictable response, and suggestions who it might have been. Censoring red Alert is one thing, trying to control party member comment in social media is absurbly futile.
A cynic might feel compelled to point out the hypocrisy of such a policy.
And a cynic might be compelled to point out the glaring hypocrisy of The Standard complaining about the party trying to control the messengers. As IrishBill was posting his complaint about that last night lprent was banning another Shearer supporter.
Shearer and Twyford going to help the cleanup at Hobsonville today…… Are we going to see another Goff/Mt Maunganui photo opportunity? Suit and a shovel on the beach….. Beautiful!!
I recall that a couple of guys by the name of Lenin and Marx had similar thoughts early last centuary – and they and their deluded supporters spent the next 75 years or so ruining people and countries as they tried to impose their ideas on entire populations.
This sort of thing always ends in tears.
And if nothing else ever comes out of the internet its ability to let everyone express their thoughts is very much welcome.
Could I just point out some stats from your site, Pete.
Number of posts by tag:
184 Labour
112 David Shearer 81 Peter Dunne
81 The Standard
74 National
70 United Future
68 John Key
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28 Kiwiblog
There are some who might say you are obsessed by “The Standard”, and the fact that it’s the third equal topic on your blog does rather support that. For a site such as Your NZ which purports to be all about “Reasonable”, you spend a lot of time writing about The Standard, which is a thoroughly unreasonable site.
The Standard is, as I have said before, a really quite sad little corner of the Internet; a dark, miserable, depressing little site where bitter people go to rant and moan and groan. It’s not worth it, Pete.
In an in-house magazine in February, police liaison officer Detective Superintendent Mike Pannett said he had monitored activities connected to the Dotcom operation from an FBI command centre in the United States …
Justice Winkelmann granted an application for the Government Communications Security Bureau to be added as a defendant in a continuing judicial review of the legality of the joint FBI-police raid.
This allows Dotcom to pursue police and GCSB for damages.
– http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8047463/Police-evidence-in-Dotcom-case-inconsistent
If it transpires the raid was not a joint FBI / New Zealand Police operation, but a foreign FBI directed raid, will that increase or reduce New Zealand’s liability?
graham, I don’t have to post about Whale or Kiwiblog as much because I can comment directly on these sites. As The Standard is the major left wing blog and I can’t comment there I use YourNZ to comment on it.
BTW, tags aren’t an accurate indicator.
The post by IrishBill, along with a lot of posts and comments lately, reveal a lot about Labour and a major internal battle. That’s significant in the world of politics. Whale Oil thinks so too.
I don’t think the intent of Kiwiblog is to have a happy wee camp of like minded National orientated drones singing the same song in a circle. Political examination and comment requires looking at all aspects. In blogging that requires looking at and commenting on a cross section of blogs.
I don’t try and tell you what you should or shouldn’t comment on. Maybe censorship of political comment doesn’t interest you elsewhere (you seem to be trying it on here) but I think it’s a very important topic in the political blogosphere.
“The Standard is, as I have said before, a really quite sad little corner of the Internet; a dark, miserable, depressing little site where bitter people go to rant and moan and groan. ”
Labour’s whole foray into social media is pretty irretrievably firetrucked already.
In Red Alert they have created the most blindly sycophantic echo chamber imaginable, where they can trot out any idea under the sun (though the more hard left the better) and the Traceys, Colonial Vipers et al will always cheer them on; and no naysayers, doubts or words of caution are tolerated… because it’s Labour, and Labour is a friend to the working man, and Labour Sticks it to the Bosses, and Labour Fights Tha Powaa, and Labour Labour Labour…
And then they wonder why no-one votes for them.
The Standard is even worse.
If the Labour Party spent more time in the real world, and took less heed of nutters on the internet who want full-blown communism, maybe they will start doing better in the polls.
TrueblueNZ is, as I have said before, a really quite sad little corner of the Internet; a dark, miserable, depressing little site where bitter people go to rant and moan and groan. ”
The “leader” of this site proudly deletes any post that is not a sycophantic arse lick.
The difference is that no-one of any consequence reads TrueBlueNZ so it doesn’t matter what the author does or what the site’s 3 readers post up in the comments.
Whereas The Standard does bring enough nutters together in one place that the political left seems to take some sort of a lead from the ideas that they see there. Heaven knows why. But it’s unfortunate and it’s one of the prime reasons the left opposition is in such a mess at the moment.
Step 2: Assume you can really identify who a person is on the internet, especially on sites you have no control over.
I’d dearly love to see the logistical planning involved. Sourcing the naughty comments, doxing the commenters’ handles, comparing to the membership list … but let’s be honest, the whole point of any policy change would clearly be to punish members whose identities are already well-documented (and who have been saying things said senior MP doesn’t like.)
IrishBill
There’s already a bit of that kind of thing going on. It’s why I won’t comment on Red Alert.
Colonial Viper
I have personally witnessed some of the backstory to this post. And it is a damn nasty and personal business behind the scenes. If anything, IB has sugarcoated the facts of the situation with his restraint (that’s not a criticism btw).
Yes kind Lefty souls, I’m bugging out too, returning at some future date (hopefully not too far away). IB has highlighted some reasons why, and the stuff he is talking about isn’t kidding around. The miserable and ill-conceived pressure they are putting on Cunliffe and his supporters in caucus, well they are now turning that on to ordinary party members as well. Organisations which find themselves in this state, well what more do I need to say.
Colonial Viper has probably been the most regular and prolific commenter at TS.
And maybe not coincidentally:
millsy
This will be my last post on the Standard (and probably any other blog) for a while at least – not too sure when Ill be able to post again, but it wont be until well into the New Year at least (perhaps when everthing has settled down).
That’s quite worrying (if you support the concept of free speech).
“That’s quite worrying (if you support the concept of free speech).”
Oh gawd. “Free speech”, as imperfectly as you apply the concept in this case, is expressly forbidden by Labour party rules. And it is not any kind of unusual event in political parties. People who sign up to parties agree to abide by these rules. In reality its nothing to do with free speech.
You Pete are just another pretentious knuckle dragger who wrongly references the concept in your complete and utter confusion about what it really means.
Nooo, maybe you should reread what I wrote. I’m not trying to censor what you say or dictate what you can or can’t comment on. How the hell could I? This isn’t my blog, nor is Your NZ.
I’m merely pointing out the facts. You spend a lot of time commenting on The Standard. You have a very good feel for the moods, the trends, the machinations, the commenters, and the authors, so you obviously spend a considerable amount of time and energy following it closely. As I said, it’s a depressing site, and spending so much time and energy following it will inevitably have a negative effect on you. I’m simply trying to warn you that I don’t think any good will come out of it. If a teenage girl spent an inordinate amount of time frequenting websites about anorexia, pro-ana and thin-spiration websites – “for research” – I’d be warning her that no good will come of such things.
But hey, you don’t have to listen to me. It doesn’t worry me that much, it’s not like I spend a lot of time on Kiwiblog, I just pop in occasionally. So all the reminders of just how depressing The Standard is won’t affect me much at all. Others who frequent Kiwiblog more regularly may feel differently. I just think you could put your time and energy to better use, that’s all. But, your life.
I am forced to wonder is Pete George a real person or a member of The Standard team attempting to propagate their views on Kiwiblog. He appears unable to comment without mentioning The Standard.
“Amsterdam has earned a global reputation as an enlightened city with a high quality of life. Well what if the price for that quality of life was that your bothersome neighbors were forcibly relocated to “scum villages” on the outskirts of town?
Caitlin Dewey dissects several news reports on controversial (to say the least) plans by Amsterdam’s officials to relocate trouble-making neighbors to camps of “container homes” on the outskirts of the city where they will be provided only with basic services while being monitored by police or social workers.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/04/amsterdam-plans-to-relocate-troublemakers-to-scum-villages/?Post_generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost
There you go…as I said yesterday….the new RB Governor Wheeler is the enemy of exporters
“The RBNZ gave the market the green light to keep buying the kiwi and that’s what they’ve done,” said Mike Jones, currency strategist at Bank of New Zealand in Wellington.”
Will be fun to watch to watch him squirm as more exporters fold.
Tame Iti tweets that the band Six 60 performed at Waikeria and that all the inmates were buzzing. Shows a photo of him taken with the band.
FFS…A holiday camp for cuzzy bros paid for by the taxpayer.
No wonder the jails are full of freeloading scum.
The poor wee dears at the hate blog don’t understand irony. Up in arms over potential censorship of their ability to speak freely. Whilst deleting and banning anyone who doesn’t worship at the altar. The gob smacking hypocrisy is right up there with Ms Dim and her corrupt practices. But then it’s the left, why do I expect anything different.
Oh and red, yes, you read that right. Your deranged rantings about Marxists are beyond hilarious.
@graham: Agree. If I want to read the jaundiced views at the Stranded, I’ll go there. But I don’t, so I don’t.
But TPYM [the person you mentioned] is obsessed with cutting and pasting crap from the Stranded and posting it here…. he hasn’t realised that, if there was something really interesting, our host would most likely comment on it (as he has in the past – complete with some insightful observations).
And I’m completely topped up with the same person’s running commentary / references to his battle with the moderator(s) at the Stranded and his subsequent banning from their site.
In fact, if I knew his postal address, I’d send him 50c so he can ring up someone who cares….
A parody of Nickelback’s Photograph song, taking the piss out of people who photograph everything and upload it to their Facebook or Instagram accounts. I have people on my Facebook like this
@Keeping Stock: If it pans out the way you suggest, then NZC can only blame themselves. It was commonly known that there were two factions within the BlackCaps and that McCullum / Hesson (and Fleming in the background) were pushing for a change in Captain. Hesson even asked Taylor to step aside from the captaincy whilst they were in Sri Lanka! The team was divided. Martin Guptill admitted as much when he returned from the tour.
‘Player power’ has been festering for a while now within NZ cricket. The fact it has been allowed to escalate is the fault of NZC management – the cracks widened further when they allowed John Wright to go. A man good enough to get the best from a star studded Indian team was not kept on for the NZ side. Because some of the players decided he was too tough’ on them, they bleated long and hard and NZC backed them and not Wright. And now we see a faction in the side promote one player over the Captain. And NZC buckles again.
And if Taylor walks as you suggest, I think the wrong person is staring at the end of the plank.
[Edit: Not sure why this was deleted - I'm using a new gadget and must have hit the wrong button]
@KS: Yup… Just been announced that Taylor has opted out as you suggested.
PS: Vettori was also part of the faction pushing for McCullum to replace Taylor. Its a pity he didn’t display the same levels of loyalty he received when he was Captain himself.
“The Standard is, as I have said before, a really quite sad little corner of the Internet; a dark, miserable, depressing little site where bitter people go to rant and moan and groan. ”
Coffee and TVNZ and pushing the marriage destruction agenda.
TVNZ is being used as a platform to push a narrow agenda. Way outside it’s charter. Sainsbury did a big interview with another one on his submission to parliament, Matty McLean.
Good riddance to Sainsbury and I hope the rest of TVNZ goes down the gurgler too.
Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people are better at managing their money than the average American, new research shows.
They earn more, save more, have less debt and are better prepared for retirement, according to a Prudential survey of more than 1,000 LGBT respondents.
Respondents not only reported significantly higher annual incomes — $61,500 compared with the national median of $50,054 — but they also carried about $4,000 less in debt than the average American and had $6,000 more in household savings. They were even slightly more likely to have jobs in the first place, with an unemployment rate of 7% versus the national rate of 7.9%, Prudential found.
A combination of factors play into this, said Michele Meyer-Shipp, chief diversity officer at Prudential. To start, LGBT individuals are generally well-educated, with more than half of respondents receiving at least a bachelor’s degree, and tend to live in higher-income areas, she said.
Not too mention that they are way overrepresented in your mind, Fletch.
Hardly a days goes by without you thinking about them and what they do.
Next to hating Obama, it’s your favourite pasttime it seems.
eszett, um, no you’re wrong.
I only think about the issue when the issue is shoved in my face, which is about every second day; if not by Coffee on Breakfast and Sainsbury, then by pro-gay-marriage posts by DPF. And so I respond.
kowtow and Fletch, maybe you need to think about exactly what it is you object to.
I personally do not approve of the Marriage Amendment Bill. Although I don’t think two men or two women getting married will threaten my own marriage, it is redefining marriage – and we were assured that when the Civil Union bill was passed, this would make it totally unnecessary to redefine marriage. Eight years later, it is obvious we were lied to. More importantly, in another few years we will see a strong push for gay couples being allowed to adopt children – and that is something I object to.
But all of that is quite different to objecting to homosexual people. And Fletch, you are coming across as being ever so slightly homophobic. I might object to gay marriage, but does that mean I think gays shouldn’t be allowed to be on TV presenting the news? Of course not.
Are we going to start making gays ride down the back of the bus? Eat at segregated restaurants?
Shoving it your face?
There is an off button on your TV, you know. And no one forces to read the post here.
No-one’s shoving anything into your face but you yourself.
Weihana, don’t know if that is true or not, but they are also more likely to suffer from depression, substance abuse, disease and self harming and suicide. I can’t see that having more money makes up for that.
But all of that is quite different to objecting to homosexual people. And Fletch, you are coming across as being ever so slightly homophobic. I might object to gay marriage, but does that mean I think gays shouldn’t be allowed to be on TV presenting the news? Of course not.
Graham, what exactly is “homophobia”? A hate of homosexuals? A fear? I don’t hate or fear homosexuals, and it might surprise you to know that it doesn’t bother me, gays presenting the news etc. In fact I often work with three gay guys who I get along with really well. What bothers me is when the TV presenting role is used as a position from which to proselytize and to promote their lifestyles. You have to ask yourself – why are they over-represented on TV?
We’ve seen it happen with Alison Mau, Tamati, and Matty McLean. All have had airtime given to them to promote their cause.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I DON’T CARE what gays do in their own bedroom in their own time. It’s up to them. I don’t dislike or hate them. What I do disagree with is their wanting the rest of the country to give their approval to their lifestyle and to change the laws regarding same.
As one blogger put it –
You can live as you want, engage in whatever sort of contracts you like, conduct any sort of ceremonies you please. But there is one thing you cannot have, and it is the one thing you seek through this radical political agenda, these hysterical protests and complaints about Christians: our approval. It cannot possibly be about anything else, because it is really the only thing you are missing. You want to live in a world in which everyone regards what you do and how you live not only as normal, but as a positive good. And your attempts to legalize “gay marriage” are about this and this alone. It is not about “equal rights” that you already possess, it is not about the freedom to openly identify as gay, which you already have. It is about using the power of the state to force society to recognize your living arrangements and lifestyle choices as legitimate.
They aren’t seeking your approval. You flatter yourself by thinking your opinions actually matter. What matters is discrimination from the state and that is the target of this “agenda”.
weihaha.If you don’t believe there’s an agenda that’s fine. And no the end of the world is not nigh,but our civilisation is definitly going down the sewer.It does happen.Civilisations do end. One’s that grow fat,indulged,indigent,unprepared to fight for their values.
And what’s that “agenda” again? To “redefine” a word… oh my gosh and my golly! The end is nigh! The end is nigh!
Weihana like most of the people who support gay marriage you don’t get it. Yes it is about the use of a single word, and that’s clearly the reason for the global movement across all western democracies.
But it’s why all the gay activists have decided simultaneously to mobilise all the profoundly useful idiots like you across all of the western democracies, that none of you useful idiots understand. You just don’t get it, do you. And yet, here is a global movement across all the western democracies simultaneously not asking, but demanding, the right to use a single word.
Doesn’t this FACT strike any of you useful idiots as peculiar? Or in your bizarro world, does this sort of thing happen all the time, it’s nothing unusual, nothing to see here. Is that what you fools think? That it’s not unusual at all, to have this global movement spring up, over a single word?
Why do you fools think this is happening? Because it is happening, isn’t it. This is precisely what is playing out, in the world, right now. Can any of you useful idiots answer that? I know why, but do you?
BTW, this propaganda happens all the time. Here’s a racism example from Shortland Street. Racism against whites that is.
“Well it appears that you draw an equivalence regarding sex between adults and sex with children.”
Had no idea you were homosexual.
Good gawd, what with so many queers hanging out here (Weihana, Davinci, Nasska, Eszett, Chutneychute Guy, for just a few) Kiwiblog could double as GayNZ.
What matters is discrimination from the state and that is the target of this “agenda”.
“Discriminate” is also another word for Discern or Distinguish.
The State has every right to discriminate and should. It discriminates against those wanting more than one spouse. It discriminates against those wanting to marry an under age person. It discriminates against those wanting to marry a family member or a cousin. It discriminates against those wanting to marry an dog.
And I believe it is right to discriminates against same sex couples wanting to marry, and for very good reasons; ultimately, for the good of society as a whole.
If same-sex couples are allowed to marry, the State will still be discriminating against the other groups I’ve mentioned – those wanting to marry more than one person etc… What about them?
eszett, except your “tolerance” is the repressive tolerance of a Liberal that is totally for being tolerant of other peoples values, except those with whom you disagree. As for “family”, your views are totally against the family.
Doesn’t this FACT strike any of you useful idiots as peculiar?
Not at all when the use of the word is tied to one’s legal status and standing. What is bizarro are nutjobs which populate forums like this who think that in the context of this debate that it’s apropos to discuss the possible end of civilization…. in earnest.
So Weihana name another global movement that’s simultaneously sprung up across all western democracies over the use by a group of a single word. Go on.
And if you’re going to respond at all, pray answer my question: why are they doing this? Why this global movement, over the use of a single word?
This is from a 47 year old essay by liberal Herbert Marcuse, one of the founders of Political Correctness or Critical Theory –
“Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left. As to the scope of this tolerance and intolerance: … it would extend to the stage of action as well as of discussion and propaganda, of deed as well as of word.”
Fletch (3,552) Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
eszett, except your “tolerance” is the repressive tolerance of a Liberal that is totally for being tolerant of other peoples values, except those with whom you disagree. As for “family”, your views are totally against the family.
Fletch, you don’t even know what “repressive tolerance” means, it’s just a soundbite you picked up somewhere. Otherwise you would be bring it up in this context, as it is nonsensical.
And it is highly ironic, as you are the one who wants to force your values onto other people. No one takes your values away, no one tells you how you should live, who you should marry and how to organise your family.
Yet you are the one here saying, no, you two can’t marry because you are of the same sex, you two can’t be a family, you two can’t marry, because you are doing something that doesn’t agree with my values.
Eggzactly. But they are not the values that made the Christian, Anglo Saxon civilisation the greatest ever seen. The values of hard work,thrift,self sacrifice,consideration of other,God ,King and country.
Now it’s me,me ,me.Spend,debt,drugs,selfishness,indulgence,multiculturalism,relativism,entitlement, etc
Redbaiter (1,519) Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
“Such as inclusion, tolerance, freedom, love, family.”
Insufferable Obama propaganda right here on Kiwiblog.
Yes, red, it is quite clear that none of these words mean anything to you.
Your just one sad old miserable bastard, constantly complaining about how mean and stupid the world is.
eszett, name me one civilisation that practised the “values” you esteem that is still standing (as it was then) and hasn’t destroyed itself.
In truth, the things you talk about, such as legalized sodomy, aren’t values, but sexual perversities that other cultures and civilisations adopted before they fell over.
I don’t mean to say that they fell because of these perversities, but perhaps these practices were an outward sign.
Funny Eszett that you and your like queer friends never see the irony apparent in the hate you project towards anyone who disagrees with your “tolerant” liberal political agenda.
Ron Paul final address to congress made into a film broken down to document his comments on the state of America today
He got sixty whole minutes.
The New York Times, LA Times, Fox News and many others all took notice of his farewell address, something that doesn’t normally happen with a Congressman, as he laid out the fork in the road America has come to: liberty or tyranny.
In truth, the things you talk about, such as legalized sodomy, aren’t values, but sexual perversities that other cultures and civilisations adopted before they fell over.
Nonsense, Fletch, and you know it.
Again, you just prove that you just think homosexuality is yucky (hence you calling it a “perversity”) and that’s why you hate it and oppose it. Nothing more and nothing less.
Your whole talk about values and civilisations is just a smokescreen you set up to try and rationalise something that you know there is no rationale for.
“Again, you just prove that you just think homosexuality is yucky (hence you calling it a “perversity”) and that’s why you hate it and oppose it. ”
So fucking what?
In a FREE country people are FREE to think whatever they like.
Your Orwellian/totalitarian state and mainstream media promoted attempts to control speech and thought are far more odious than any such views that Fletch might hold, and that are probably only natural anyway.
In a FREE country people are FREE to think whatever they like.
Your Orwellian/totalitarian attempts to control speech and thought a far more odious than any such views that Fletch might hold, and that are probably only natural anyway.
lol, red, you are funny at times.
So you and kowtow and Fletch are free to say whatever you want, but no one is allowed to respond?
And you say I am attempting to control speech?
Fletch is totally focused on men having bum sex together
Day after day of bum sex focused thinking…….
If most male think about homosexual sex they think of woman
Nom nom nom
Why Fletch? Why the focus on bum sex?
Would you like to tell us what happened ?
They take the bad priests to court now.
Fletch (3,555) Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
eszett, let me ask you then –
Do you think that sexual intercourse (coitus) and sodomy are the same? Are they equal in value and purpose? Are they even the same scientifically?
What sort of a question is that, Fletch? Do you know that little about human sexuality that you ask these things? Why limit it to these to sexual acts, are these the only two that you know.
What about oral sex and sexual intercourse? Are they the same in value and purpose? Masturbation? Handjobs? Or are these all sexual perversions?
And what about lesbians then? They don’t engage in anal sex? They are okay with you? And gay men that don’t engage in anal sex, they are also okay? What about straight couples having anal sex?
This only goes to show that you have a fixation and obsession about anal sex (fair enough, no one forces you to like it) and you try and define homosexuality based on this.
But to answer you question, yes, when it comes to human sexuality intercourse, oral sex, hand jobs, foot jobs, tittiefucks, anal intercourse and whatever else rocks your boat are all equal in “value and purpose”
This is what the useful idiots are participating in.
…if all you do is listen to the mainstream media, you would be tempted to think that we are the smartest, most moral, most “enlightened” generation in all of human history. Unfortunately, that is most definitely not the case. Society is literally coming apart at the seams right in front of our eyes. “Normal” crimes are not enough for many criminals these days.
And because they’re idiots, they have no idea what they’re doing. Instead, the monstrous morons really think their position is: “the smartest, most moral, most enlightened.” What a bunch of utter fools.
eszett, I’m not talking about fetishes or any kind of “jobs”.
As I said, I was talking about coitus, and whether these other stimulations are equal in value and purpose.
I would say not.
Aristotle had a form of logic he called Teleology – a belief in empirical observation and logical deduction which assumes that all things have a purpose and that the purpose of each thing can be discerned from its design and function. Anything that deviates from that design and function is therefore not normal.
My wife is generally right on the money. And she said to me this morning “How come Tamati Coffey is talking about his “civil union partner” now, when he did the whole “marriage” thing in the women’s magazines? I think he’s trying score points.”
Fletch (3,556) Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
eszett, I’m not talking about fetishes or any kind of “jobs”.
As I said, I was talking about coitus, and whether these other stimulations are equal in value and purpose.
I would say not.
Aristotle had a form of logic he called Teleology – a belief in empirical observation and logical deduction which assumes that all things have a purpose and that the purpose of each thing can be discerned from its design and function. Anything that deviates from that design and function is therefore not normal.
The human body was not designed. While teleological language can be used to describe evolution, it is not necessary and even misleading. Whilst certain developments may serve an evolutionary function, evolution itself does not have a purpose per se.
So in terms of function the anus and the reproductive organs are obviously not equal, at least not intrinsically. But whether “stimulations” (lmao) of each are equal in “value” is a subjective determination. In other words: whatever floats your boat.
Weihana, yet still…
As Harriet points out – the anus is not a sexual organ.
Two men or two women can try and lego™ it with any of the available orifices and still will not be performing sexual intercourse. What you have will be a cruel imitation; a counterfeit; a parody of real life-giving coitus that can result in a new son or daughter.
It is this sexual contact (coitus), and that of the resulting children that marriage is built around and serves.
“…..Aristotle had a form of logic he called Teleology – a belief in empirical observation and logical deduction which assumes that all things have a purpose and that the purpose of each thing can be discerned from its design and function. Anything that deviates from that design and function is therefore not normal….”
That’s an absolute truth as the natural fit to the human wrist is the human hand, and the natural fit to the human vagina is the human penis, and the natural fit to the human anus is excrement! Only animals could ever get confused about that!
The natural fit to the human head for 96% of the poulation is the human brain!
Actually, that raises a bit of a question, Harriet. What would God’s purpose be in creating such a variety of sizes of vaginas and penises? Should a physically incompatible different-sex couple consider themselves to be missing God’s hint by pursuing a relationship when they should rather be finding a more complementarily bodied partner?
Fletch (3,557) Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
eszett, I’m not talking about fetishes or any kind of “jobs”.
As I said, I was talking about coitus, and whether these other stimulations are equal in value and purpose.
I would say not.
Why? Just because you say so?
They are sexual acts, the same way as intercourse is a sexual act. It’s no different. Human sexuality is way more than just reproduction, 99% of sexual intercourse is not intended for reproduction.
Here’s what you are trying to do, Fletch. You despise homosexuals and want to rationalise it by creating characteristics that include heterosexuals and exclude homosexuals. It’s the classical us vs them tactic, we are good, they are bad.
You reduce it to sexuality, even though there is way more to human relationships than just sex.
We have sex in a good way, they have sex in a bad way. Unfortunately for you straight people engage in the same kind sexual activity as gay people do.
We have sex to reproduce, they don’t. Well as I pointed out, most of the time straight people don’t have sex to reproduce.
What we have is natural, what they have is unnatural. However, most of human behavior is unnatural (as in not observed in other species) but homosexuality is actually observed in other species.
All this is just an desperate attempt to rationalise your prejudices and your preconceptions and justify why you should discriminate against homosexuals.
They still don’t physicly compliment each other Ryan. Where as a husband and wife do.
Yeah, I was making a joke because you used the word “compliment” when you meant “complement”.
Your getting REALLY DEPERATE RYAN!
Oh, hardly. I’m just following your “everything fits together or doesn’t for a reason” reasoning through to a few logical conclusions.
I’m sure you’re aware that there’s a great variety of genital sizes out there, and there are plenty of penis-vagina combinations that are about as physically complementary as your penis-anus example. If the penis not fitting easily into the anus is a sign of God not intending for it to happen, doesn’t that mean the same for straight couples where the penis doesn’t fit easily into the vagina?
“…..What we have is natural, what they have is unnatural. However, most of human behavior is unnatural (as in not observed in other species) but homosexuality is actually observed in other species….”
Animals could get confused between a vagina and an anus – but 4% of the human population?
Ezett believes that 96% of humans behave unnaturally!
What you’re saying, Harriet, is that gay (and straight) couples who engage in anal sex should stop and say, “Now, hold on. This doesn’t fit. We’re probably not meant to do that.”
And you’ve suggested they’re idiots if they don’t think that.
But what happens when a straight couple engages in vaginal sex and finds it doesn’t fit? Would they be idiotic not to think, “Now, hold on. This doesn’t fit. We’re probably not meant to do that.”?
And if there’s a difference, please explain what it is.
“…..If the penis not fitting easily into the anus is a sign of God not intending for it to happen, doesn’t that mean the same for straight couples where the penis doesn’t fit easily into the vagina?…”
No.
One is a matter of sodomy and one is a matter of size!
One is a matter of sodomy and one is a matter of size!
But you’ve just said that what demonstrates sodomy’s wrongness is a matter of size. They’re not physically compatible because God didn’t intend for it to occur.
How is that different with a straight couple whose genitals do not fit together? Isn’t that an obvious sign that God doesn’t want them to have sex?
I’m sure you’re aware that there’s a great variety of genital sizes out there, and there are plenty of penis-vagina combinations that are about as physically complementary as your penis-anus example. If the penis not fitting easily into the anus is a sign of God not intending for it to happen, doesn’t that mean the same for straight couples where the penis doesn’t fit easily into the vagina?
See this is possibly why blogs aren’t yet considered “mainstream.”
“…..And if there’s a difference, please explain what it is….’
Firstly Ryan, anal ‘sex’ is not sex but sodomy as a bottom is not a human sexual organ. GP’s will tell you that.
Of course there is a differance Ryan -the natural order of things- vaginas and penises procreate – arseholes don’t![go on Ryan, find a medical exception, a statistical abberation where some women 'ended up' with a foetus in her bowel]
Of course there is a differance Ryan -the natural order of things- vaginas and penises procreate – arseholes don’t![go on Ryan, find a medical exception, a statistical abberation where some women 'ended up' with a foetus in her bowel]
Then you’re saying that the wrongness of anal penetration has nothing to do with the physical incompatibility of sizes, but is purely about not being able to produce children.
Clearly you don’t think the wrongness is based on physical incompatibility, because you’re happy for incompatibly sized straight couples to have sex.
Can I ask why we are talking about the homo act? It’s pretty gay. No-one’s mentioned sling sex yet which surprises me given just about everything has been but anyway, what does it have to do with anything?
P.S. I’m also disappointed we haven’t yet discussed lesbian sex for that could be very relevant, possibly.
I’d rather not base sexuality on the nonsense that you’re writing here, Harriet.
You are either a troll or know very little about sexuality, human or otherwise. Most likely both.
A lorry driver goes on a date with a sexy girl. Afterwards they go back to her parents place. He starts fucking her on the couch when he feels the barrel of a gun on his neck.
He turns around sees her father is standing there. He says:”if you’re a real fucking lorry driver you’ll be able to back that fucker out of there with a full load”.
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Five Tauranga men found guilty of pack raping a woman at Pyes Pa last year have been sentenced to 11-13 years’ jail.
Samuel Owen Weenink, 20, Corey Clinton Owens, 20, and Dylan John O’Neill, 21, are sentenced to 12 years and nine months’ jail while co-offender Richard James Cameron Morton, 21, received a sentence of 11 years four month
The Nazi’s are out in force.
Mr Dunne’s favourite pastime is getting nasty with RETROSPECTIVE Tax Collecting.
Accountants slam IRD allowance change
Last updated 14:43 07/12/2012
The Institute of Chartered Accountants (NZICA) has joined the chorus of dismay over the Inland Revenue Department’s decision to retrospectively tax accommodation allowances.
The accounting industry body says it is “deeply concerned” about the new tax, and says it will affect the Christchurch rebuild.
The change will have a significant impact on industries which rely on itinerant workers, such as agriculture, the film industry, and the effort to rebuild the quake-shattered city, NZICA says.
The new rule, announced in a statement yesterday, will mean that employers have to pay PAYE on any accommodation allowance an employee gets when working away from home.
Time to hassel those luvely and cuddly National MP’s guys. Ypou know all those you think are just so great.
What will be next?
My info is that they are issuing banks with 100% collection notices on overdue debts.
The kindergarten class had to come up with a sentence using the colors green, pink, and yellow. So the teacher calls up every single kid in the classroom. But she forgot to call on the Samoan kid. So she asks him to please step up to the front of the class and recite his sentence. So the Samoan boy went up to the front of the class and said, “The phone went green green green. I pink up the phone and say yellow”!
monique,
in light of today’s theme I think first the lorry driver would a taken a guy home and the dad wouldn’t have give a shit as the full load would be going up the chocolate passage,and other than a dose of AIDS ,Dad wouldn’t have to worry about his boy getting pregnant,seeing as how turd thumping is real sex according to more than a few posters here.
But then maybe he would have stopped them as he woulldn’t have wanted shit all over his couch.
Is excrement the ‘natural’ fit to the human anus Ryan, or is it the penis?
What is the ‘natural’ purpose of an anus Ryan?
Certainly the anus evolved for excreting, Harriet. The fact that it feels good for men to have a penis pushed inside, stimulating the prostate from the inside, is just a happy accident for those men who are sexually attracted to other men (or women who enjoy using a dildo on their male partner).
Have you seen my point, Harriet? You say that God doesn’t want penises inside anuses because they don’t fit. I pointed out that some penises don’t fit inside some vaginas. You ignored that and started talking about procreation. I told you that it’s clear your standard for what God wants or doesn’t want is procreation, not whether or not something fits, because you’ve ignored my point. And then you ignored that and started asking me what the natural purpose of an anus is.
So try just sticking to that one first point, Harriet.
Are you saying that the fact that a penis does not fit easily inside an anus is evidence that God does not want people to have anal sex?
If so, is the fact that some penises do not fit easily into some vaginas also evidence that God does not want those people to have vaginal sex?
If you start talking about procreation, what you’re saying is that how things fit or don’t fit together is irrelevant (so why have you gone on about it?)
If you don’t talk about procreation, what is the difference that makes God design penises that won’t fit into vaginas when he wants them to at the same time as designing penises that won’t fit into anuses to show he doesn’t want them to?
Pesky Ryan is using tricky logic to confuse poor Harriet. Play fair Ryan!
It is possible to have a logically consistent argument against anal sex. It’s just that Harriet’s is not. Is it about things not fitting? Then what about penises that don’t fit in vaginas. Oh, it’s about procreation? Then what about infertile straight couples?
New tax rule hits bill for rebuild
MARIA SLADE
Last updated 05:00 08/12/2012
Rebuilding Christchurch
An Inland Revenue decision to tax worker accommodation allowances will add to the already rapidly rising Christchurch rebuild bill, tax experts say.
There has been a chorus of dismay from the tax industry since the IRD put out a statement this week saying it intends to tax allowances and accommodation provided to employees who have to work away from home.
It also wants to make the tax retrospective, asking employers to look over their books going back as far as four years.
With a flood of outside workers expected in Christchurch to help with rebuilding the quake-shattered city, local Grant Thornton partner Geordie Hooft said it would make the job more expensive.
“It provides a disincentive and I’m concerned about that.
“It’s not going to stop things from happening, it’s just going to represent another cost. And the cost of the rebuild goes up and up and up all the time.”
The rule change requiring employers to pay PAYE on any accommodation provision an employee gets when working in another location – particularly the decision to make it retrospective – has taken the tax fraternity by surprise.
Hooft said the move was in contrast to recommendations made by the IRD’s own policy advice division last month.
The Institute of Chartered Accountants (NZICA) said it was “deeply concerned” about the new tax.
It would have a significant impact on industries which relied on itinerant workers, such as agriculture, the film industry, and the Christchurch rebuild effort, the accounting industry body said.
Acting general manager tax, Jolayne Trim, said it was a retrospective law change “of the worst kind”.
“Inland Revenue is taking the chance that taxpayers will not have the resources available to question the commercial impracticality of its announcement,” she said.
IRD was asking firms to voluntarily disclose payments of accommodation allowances or provision of accommodation going back two years, and where the accommodation was paid on behalf of the employee it wanted them to go back four years.
PWC said the tax treatment of accommodation provided to employees working away from home had long been subject to debate, but it had been generally accepted that the worker did not get any net benefit from it and therefore it should not be seen as taxable income.
The accounting firm also said it had “serious misgivings” about the IRD statement’s lack of clarity.
Accommodation might not be taxable when it was just overnight or for a short-term stay by a worker, but taxpayers were still “very much in the dark” about what the IRD considered to be “temporary”, it said.
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“One wonders how Inland Revenue’s own investigators will be able to apply the statement. Many employees located in Christchurch for the rebuild now face an uncertain tax position.”
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Half the population has a penis and the other half has a vagina – and everyone has an arsehole that they expel shit from.
And as I said “Gays don’t even complement each other – so what the fuck would they know about human sexuality?”
Other than adding shit into it!
Yes, yes, very cute, but you haven’t answered my question.
You said that God’s design is made apparent through the penis not fitting easily into the anus, and that people who engage in anal sex are stupid for not being able to see what is obvious. Why doesn’t that make God’s design apparent that he doesn’t want certain different-sex couples having sex (ones where the penis doesn’t fit easily into the vagina)?
“…Trying to argue with Harriet as though she were logical and informed is doomed to failure, Ryan….”
I think you’ll find that it is Ryan who is talking through his arsehole Mikenmad!
“Neither a male-male nor a female-female relationship has the essential — i.e., of the essence — property of male-female. Same-sex marriage is neither validated nor created. It is metaphysically impossible. So to think is a logical fallacy; so to speak is semantic nonsense.”
Here is the explaination of that -
Philosophers going as far back as Aristotle have spoken of predication, properties and the like. Predication very simply refers to the attributing of characteristics to a subject or a thing. What a thing is may have different properties or ways of being characterised.
For our purposes here I wish to speak of two basic predications, or predicates, which have been distinguished in intellectual history for nearly three millennia now. These two main predicates are the essential and the accidental. It is important to be clear about how these differ, since discussions about personhood and the like depend upon these distinctions.
In very simple fashion, let us define our terms this way:
-An essential predicate, attribute, or property is one that belongs to the very nature or essence of a thing. They are necessary and permanent properties of a thing.
-An accidental predicate, attribute, or property is a quality which is not an essential part of a thing’s essence. They are contingent and temporary properties of a thing.
Thus something which is essential is that which must be true of a thing. If that quality or characteristic is missing, then that thing or object no longer is or can be. As John and Paul Feinberg explain: “An essential characteristic is a quality that is part of the very essence of a thing. If that quality is lost, the thing ceases to exist. On the other hand, an accidental quality is one that is not part of a thing’s essence. It can be lost or gained without the thing ceasing to exist.”
“A red ball possesses the properties red and round. Calling a green round object or a red square object a red ball does not make it a red ball. Calling same-sex ‘marriage’ does not make it marriage.
“The universe in this philosophic consideration is marriage, which is — by its very definition and essence — the complementary wedding of male and female. Other properties of this particular can be health, ethnic, and intelligence. All such are non-essentials (the term is ‘accidentals’) and can vary greatly and still be marriage. This is so because these are either consistent with or indifferent to the essence of the universal. In contrast, same-sex by its very nature is dissonant and incongruous with the essence of marriage.
“Again in the taxonomy of philosophy, the accidental properties of a given marriage are irrelevant to its essence. They just happen to be present without being necessary. What is not an accidental property is an essential property. These are accidental properties but heterosexuality is an essential property when the universe is marriage. Again: a green ball is not a red ball precisely because the property red is absent.
“Without such essential properties as sex that is compatible and complementary, an alleged marriage simply is not marriage at all. Without this, the relationship might be beautiful and wonderful socially or even domestically — but it is not marriage.
“Neither a male-male nor a female-female relationship has the essential — i.e., of the essence — property of male-female. Same-sex marriage is neither validated nor created. It is metaphysically impossible. So to think is a logical fallacy; so to speak is semantic nonsense.”
Quite so. I can go on all day long and declare that the Australian football team which won the AFL Grand Final yesterday was in fact the Geelong Cats. But no amount of blustering on my part will change the reality: the Sydney Swans won yesterday.
Go through the entire thread and see where I have used the word god, religion, jesus etc.
I haven’t – anywhere at all – I have not alluded to it either.
you bought it up at 4:38 – with this -
“….Actually, that raises a bit of a question, Harriet. What would God’s purpose be in creating such a variety of sizes of vaginas and penises?..”
Ah, okay. My apologies, Harriet. I read too much into your comment replying to Fletch talking about teleology.
So you’re talking about the purpose of body parts without any reference to something giving them purpose? And you’ve mentioned people “not being designed for sodomy”, but you’re not referring any kind of designer? Okay.
Well, that’s way simpler.
Basically, Harriet, if two consenting adults want to insert something that doesn’t fit so well – whether it’s a penis in an anus or a penis that doesn’t fit a vagina – it’s just none of your business or mine.
Humans use all kinds of body parts and bodily functions for purposes that differ from their evolutionary biological roles. Ears are for hearing, but some people put earrings in them. Lungs are for breathing, but some people use them as a nicotine-delivery device. Legs are for walking and running, but some people dance.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Last night irishBill escalated the civil war between Labour leadership and party activists at The Standard.
There’s been a predictable response, and suggestions who it might have been. Censoring red Alert is one thing, trying to control party member comment in social media is absurbly futile.
And a cynic might be compelled to point out the glaring hypocrisy of The Standard complaining about the party trying to control the messengers. As IrishBill was posting his complaint about that last night lprent was banning another Shearer supporter.
This is could be an interesting day as Labour Caucus versus The Standard escalates.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Shearer and Twyford going to help the cleanup at Hobsonville today…… Are we going to see another Goff/Mt Maunganui photo opportunity? Suit and a shovel on the beach….. Beautiful!!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 8:20 am
I recall that a couple of guys by the name of Lenin and Marx had similar thoughts early last centuary – and they and their deluded supporters spent the next 75 years or so ruining people and countries as they tried to impose their ideas on entire populations.
This sort of thing always ends in tears.
And if nothing else ever comes out of the internet its ability to let everyone express their thoughts is very much welcome.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Could I just point out some stats from your site, Pete.
Number of posts by tag:
184 Labour
112 David Shearer
81 Peter Dunne
81 The Standard
74 National
70 United Future
68 John Key
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28 Kiwiblog
There are some who might say you are obsessed by “The Standard”, and the fact that it’s the third equal topic on your blog does rather support that. For a site such as Your NZ which purports to be all about “Reasonable”, you spend a lot of time writing about The Standard, which is a thoroughly unreasonable site.
The Standard is, as I have said before, a really quite sad little corner of the Internet; a dark, miserable, depressing little site where bitter people go to rant and moan and groan. It’s not worth it, Pete.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 8:43 am
In an in-house magazine in February, police liaison officer Detective Superintendent Mike Pannett said he had monitored activities connected to the Dotcom operation from an FBI command centre in the United States …
Justice Winkelmann granted an application for the Government Communications Security Bureau to be added as a defendant in a continuing judicial review of the legality of the joint FBI-police raid.
This allows Dotcom to pursue police and GCSB for damages.
– http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8047463/Police-evidence-in-Dotcom-case-inconsistent
If it transpires the raid was not a joint FBI / New Zealand Police operation, but a foreign FBI directed raid, will that increase or reduce New Zealand’s liability?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 8:48 am
graham, I don’t have to post about Whale or Kiwiblog as much because I can comment directly on these sites. As The Standard is the major left wing blog and I can’t comment there I use YourNZ to comment on it.
BTW, tags aren’t an accurate indicator.
The post by IrishBill, along with a lot of posts and comments lately, reveal a lot about Labour and a major internal battle. That’s significant in the world of politics. Whale Oil thinks so too.
I don’t think the intent of Kiwiblog is to have a happy wee camp of like minded National orientated drones singing the same song in a circle. Political examination and comment requires looking at all aspects. In blogging that requires looking at and commenting on a cross section of blogs.
I don’t try and tell you what you should or shouldn’t comment on. Maybe censorship of political comment doesn’t interest you elsewhere (you seem to be trying it on here) but I think it’s a very important topic in the political blogosphere.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 8:49 am
“The Standard is, as I have said before, a really quite sad little corner of the Internet; a dark, miserable, depressing little site where bitter people go to rant and moan and groan. ”
Exactly why he (PG) is drawn there.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Pete George:
Labour’s whole foray into social media is pretty irretrievably firetrucked already.
In Red Alert they have created the most blindly sycophantic echo chamber imaginable, where they can trot out any idea under the sun (though the more hard left the better) and the Traceys, Colonial Vipers et al will always cheer them on; and no naysayers, doubts or words of caution are tolerated… because it’s Labour, and Labour is a friend to the working man, and Labour Sticks it to the Bosses, and Labour Fights Tha Powaa, and Labour Labour Labour…
And then they wonder why no-one votes for them.
The Standard is even worse.
If the Labour Party spent more time in the real world, and took less heed of nutters on the internet who want full-blown communism, maybe they will start doing better in the polls.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 8:54 am
“Tolerance” in Qatar: http://www.climatedepot.com/a/18726/Fmr-Thatcher-advisor-Lord-Monckton-evicted-from-UN-climate-summit-after-challenging-global-warming–Escorted-from-the-hall-and-security-officers-stripped-him-of-his-UN-credentials
Griff will approve.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 8:55 am
TrueblueNZ is, as I have said before, a really quite sad little corner of the Internet; a dark, miserable, depressing little site where bitter people go to rant and moan and groan. ”
The “leader” of this site proudly deletes any post that is not a sycophantic arse lick.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Griff, there are plenty of opportunities elsewhere for you to spout your confused infantile rubbish.
Some bloggers make their mark as free to all comers, even the dumbest commie knuckle draggers and trolls around. And good on them if they so choose.
TrueblueNZ is not one of those sites.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Griff –
The difference is that no-one of any consequence reads TrueBlueNZ so it doesn’t matter what the author does or what the site’s 3 readers post up in the comments.
Whereas The Standard does bring enough nutters together in one place that the political left seems to take some sort of a lead from the ideas that they see there. Heaven knows why. But it’s unfortunate and it’s one of the prime reasons the left opposition is in such a mess at the moment.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 9:03 am
There’s also something more sinister going on at The Standard. From Just how wrong can you get it?
And on Open Mic:
Colonial Viper has probably been the most regular and prolific commenter at TS.
And maybe not coincidentally:
That’s quite worrying (if you support the concept of free speech).
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Sorry P.G, but I do not come to KB to read the inintelligible rubbish spouted in the The sub-Standard latrine.
Vote:Please spare me the pain.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:10 am
“That’s quite worrying (if you support the concept of free speech).”
Oh gawd. “Free speech”, as imperfectly as you apply the concept in this case, is expressly forbidden by Labour party rules. And it is not any kind of unusual event in political parties. People who sign up to parties agree to abide by these rules. In reality its nothing to do with free speech.
You Pete are just another pretentious knuckle dragger who wrongly references the concept in your complete and utter confusion about what it really means.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Nooo, maybe you should reread what I wrote. I’m not trying to censor what you say or dictate what you can or can’t comment on. How the hell could I? This isn’t my blog, nor is Your NZ.
I’m merely pointing out the facts. You spend a lot of time commenting on The Standard. You have a very good feel for the moods, the trends, the machinations, the commenters, and the authors, so you obviously spend a considerable amount of time and energy following it closely. As I said, it’s a depressing site, and spending so much time and energy following it will inevitably have a negative effect on you. I’m simply trying to warn you that I don’t think any good will come out of it. If a teenage girl spent an inordinate amount of time frequenting websites about anorexia, pro-ana and thin-spiration websites – “for research” – I’d be warning her that no good will come of such things.
But hey, you don’t have to listen to me. It doesn’t worry me that much, it’s not like I spend a lot of time on Kiwiblog, I just pop in occasionally. So all the reminders of just how depressing The Standard is won’t affect me much at all. Others who frequent Kiwiblog more regularly may feel differently. I just think you could put your time and energy to better use, that’s all. But, your life.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 9:34 am
I am forced to wonder is Pete George a real person or a member of The Standard team attempting to propagate their views on Kiwiblog. He appears unable to comment without mentioning The Standard.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Pete is real: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCJ0Ibo46JM
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Good Idea:
“Amsterdam has earned a global reputation as an enlightened city with a high quality of life. Well what if the price for that quality of life was that your bothersome neighbors were forcibly relocated to “scum villages” on the outskirts of town?
Vote:Caitlin Dewey dissects several news reports on controversial (to say the least) plans by Amsterdam’s officials to relocate trouble-making neighbors to camps of “container homes” on the outskirts of the city where they will be provided only with basic services while being monitored by police or social workers.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/04/amsterdam-plans-to-relocate-troublemakers-to-scum-villages/?Post_generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost
December 7th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Pooh Pooh Iprent!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 9:57 am
There you go…as I said yesterday….the new RB Governor Wheeler is the enemy of exporters
“The RBNZ gave the market the green light to keep buying the kiwi and that’s what they’ve done,” said Mike Jones, currency strategist at Bank of New Zealand in Wellington.”
Will be fun to watch to watch him squirm as more exporters fold.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 10:01 am
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8047836/Only-murder-worse-sex-offender-told
And he only gets a five year jail sentence…..bet he will be out in three.
Vote:Pathetic.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Tame Iti tweets that the band Six 60 performed at Waikeria and that all the inmates were buzzing. Shows a photo of him taken with the band.
Vote:FFS…A holiday camp for cuzzy bros paid for by the taxpayer.
No wonder the jails are full of freeloading scum.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:10 am
The poor wee dears at the hate blog don’t understand irony. Up in arms over potential censorship of their ability to speak freely. Whilst deleting and banning anyone who doesn’t worship at the altar. The gob smacking hypocrisy is right up there with Ms Dim and her corrupt practices. But then it’s the left, why do I expect anything different.
Oh and red, yes, you read that right. Your deranged rantings about Marxists are beyond hilarious.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 10:17 am
@graham: Agree. If I want to read the jaundiced views at the Stranded, I’ll go there. But I don’t, so I don’t.
But TPYM [the person you mentioned] is obsessed with cutting and pasting crap from the Stranded and posting it here…. he hasn’t realised that, if there was something really interesting, our host would most likely comment on it (as he has in the past – complete with some insightful observations).
And I’m completely topped up with the same person’s running commentary / references to his battle with the moderator(s) at the Stranded and his subsequent banning from their site.
In fact, if I knew his postal address, I’d send him 50c so he can ring up someone who cares….
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Are you allowed to have Twitter accounts and the like when you are in Prison? That seems a little ridiculous…
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Megatron – yes he might have got six for murder.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Ross Taylor is walking away from the Black Caps, and who can blame him? The NZC media conference at 11.30am could be a doozy!
http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/breaking-news-from-new-zealand-cricket.html
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 10:41 am
lol, poor Bob Dole
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/421868/december-05-2012/politicos—paranoid-fantasies
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Friday Funny:
A parody of Nickelback’s Photograph song, taking the piss out of people who photograph everything and upload it to their Facebook or Instagram accounts. I have people on my Facebook like this
Vote:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Big deal…sodomite takes some leave with “his man”..must be a slow news day..
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv/8049161/Tamati-Coffey-taking-sabbatical
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 10:57 am
another peaceful native goes to jail…
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8046162/Twelve-year-sentence-for-tourists-murder
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 11:19 am
@Keeping Stock: If it pans out the way you suggest, then NZC can only blame themselves. It was commonly known that there were two factions within the BlackCaps and that McCullum / Hesson (and Fleming in the background) were pushing for a change in Captain. Hesson even asked Taylor to step aside from the captaincy whilst they were in Sri Lanka! The team was divided. Martin Guptill admitted as much when he returned from the tour.
‘Player power’ has been festering for a while now within NZ cricket. The fact it has been allowed to escalate is the fault of NZC management – the cracks widened further when they allowed John Wright to go. A man good enough to get the best from a star studded Indian team was not kept on for the NZ side. Because some of the players decided he was too tough’ on them, they bleated long and hard and NZC backed them and not Wright. And now we see a faction in the side promote one player over the Captain. And NZC buckles again.
And if Taylor walks as you suggest, I think the wrong person is staring at the end of the plank.
[Edit: Not sure why this was deleted - I'm using a new gadget and must have hit the wrong button]
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 11:41 am
@KS: Yup… Just been announced that Taylor has opted out as you suggested.
PS: Vettori was also part of the faction pushing for McCullum to replace Taylor. Its a pity he didn’t display the same levels of loyalty he received when he was Captain himself.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 11:44 am
The own goals keep coming. Too funny.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 11:47 am
12 years for a cowardly brutal murder! Not good enough. Do the courts want more of this? That is not a deterrent and it is certainly not justice.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Well done NZC. You bunch of complete morons. Piss up, brewery. FFS.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 11:52 am
I wonder if we will head down this road? Scary.
Hat tip CrusaderRabbit
http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/?p=15669
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Coffee and TVNZ and pushing the marriage destruction agenda.
TVNZ is being used as a platform to push a narrow agenda. Way outside it’s charter. Sainsbury did a big interview with another one on his submission to parliament, Matty McLean.
Good riddance to Sainsbury and I hope the rest of TVNZ goes down the gurgler too.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Yes, strange how even though the percentage of homosexuals in the country is in the 2%-3% range, they seem overly represented on our screens.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Not too mention that they are way overrepresented in your mind, Fletch.
Hardly a days goes by without you thinking about them and what they do.
Next to hating Obama, it’s your favourite pasttime it seems.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/06/pf/gay-money/index.html?hpt=hp_bn1
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Not too mention that they are way overrepresented in your mind, Fletch.
Hardly a days goes by without you thinking about them and what they do.
Next to hating Obama, it’s your favourite pasttime it seems.
eszett, um, no you’re wrong.
I only think about the issue when the issue is shoved in my face, which is about every second day; if not by Coffee on Breakfast and Sainsbury, then by pro-gay-marriage posts by DPF. And so I respond.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
kowtow and Fletch, maybe you need to think about exactly what it is you object to.
I personally do not approve of the Marriage Amendment Bill. Although I don’t think two men or two women getting married will threaten my own marriage, it is redefining marriage – and we were assured that when the Civil Union bill was passed, this would make it totally unnecessary to redefine marriage. Eight years later, it is obvious we were lied to. More importantly, in another few years we will see a strong push for gay couples being allowed to adopt children – and that is something I object to.
But all of that is quite different to objecting to homosexual people. And Fletch, you are coming across as being ever so slightly homophobic. I might object to gay marriage, but does that mean I think gays shouldn’t be allowed to be on TV presenting the news? Of course not.
Are we going to start making gays ride down the back of the bus? Eat at segregated restaurants?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Shoving it your face?
Vote:There is an off button on your TV, you know. And no one forces to read the post here.
No-one’s shoving anything into your face but you yourself.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
“homophobic” is a made up word used by uneducated liberals who cannot construct rational arguments.
And Fletch is quite correct, the damn queers just have to keep insinuating themselves into every facet of our lives.
Sodomise away shirtlifters, but STFU about it if you don’t mind.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
You mean, the same way he is coming across as being ever so slightly against Obama?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8049432/Jail-tough-for-red-headed-white-boy
Poor diddums finds jail tough….so??
Vote:Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Weihana, don’t know if that is true or not, but they are also more likely to suffer from depression, substance abuse, disease and self harming and suicide. I can’t see that having more money makes up for that.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
I suspect Fletch secretly likes the idea of Coffee shoving things in his face.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
“You mean, the same way he is coming across as being ever so slightly against Obama?”
Well, why don’t you pass a fucking law against it loser?
FFS!!!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
graham
No problem with homosexuals. Big problem with the state and media organisations pushing an agenda.
eggshells and the off button. I know there’s an off button,I wish you had one.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
No one forces you to read anything here, kowtow.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
“I suspect Fletch secretly likes the idea of Coffee shoving things in his face.”
Pathetic and cowardly.
I suspect you might like touching little boys.
Hows that?
Smears are so easy and its something you liberal cowards are always so good at.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Coffee’s overrated anyway..good riddance to the arse bandit..
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
And what’s that “agenda” again? To “redefine” a word… oh my gosh and my golly! The end is nigh! The end is nigh!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
But all of that is quite different to objecting to homosexual people. And Fletch, you are coming across as being ever so slightly homophobic. I might object to gay marriage, but does that mean I think gays shouldn’t be allowed to be on TV presenting the news? Of course not.
Graham, what exactly is “homophobia”? A hate of homosexuals? A fear? I don’t hate or fear homosexuals, and it might surprise you to know that it doesn’t bother me, gays presenting the news etc. In fact I often work with three gay guys who I get along with really well. What bothers me is when the TV presenting role is used as a position from which to proselytize and to promote their lifestyles. You have to ask yourself – why are they over-represented on TV?
We’ve seen it happen with Alison Mau, Tamati, and Matty McLean. All have had airtime given to them to promote their cause.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I DON’T CARE what gays do in their own bedroom in their own time. It’s up to them. I don’t dislike or hate them. What I do disagree with is their wanting the rest of the country to give their approval to their lifestyle and to change the laws regarding same.
As one blogger put it –
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
How is it? Well it appears that you draw an equivalence regarding sex between adults and sex with children. Not very good at all it seems
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Fletch,
They aren’t seeking your approval. You flatter yourself by thinking your opinions actually matter. What matters is discrimination from the state and that is the target of this “agenda”.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Weihana, not my approval per se. The approval and acceptance of society, that their lifestyles are as legitimate and as equal to marriage etc.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
eggshells says
no one forces you to read anything here.
“snap”
weihaha.If you don’t believe there’s an agenda that’s fine. And no the end of the world is not nigh,but our civilisation is definitly going down the sewer.It does happen.Civilisations do end. One’s that grow fat,indulged,indigent,unprepared to fight for their values.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
And what’s that “agenda” again? To “redefine” a word… oh my gosh and my golly! The end is nigh! The end is nigh!
Weihana like most of the people who support gay marriage you don’t get it. Yes it is about the use of a single word, and that’s clearly the reason for the global movement across all western democracies.
But it’s why all the gay activists have decided simultaneously to mobilise all the profoundly useful idiots like you across all of the western democracies, that none of you useful idiots understand. You just don’t get it, do you. And yet, here is a global movement across all the western democracies simultaneously not asking, but demanding, the right to use a single word.
Doesn’t this FACT strike any of you useful idiots as peculiar? Or in your bizarro world, does this sort of thing happen all the time, it’s nothing unusual, nothing to see here. Is that what you fools think? That it’s not unusual at all, to have this global movement spring up, over a single word?
Why do you fools think this is happening? Because it is happening, isn’t it. This is precisely what is playing out, in the world, right now. Can any of you useful idiots answer that? I know why, but do you?
BTW, this propaganda happens all the time. Here’s a racism example from Shortland Street. Racism against whites that is.
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December 7th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Fletch,
“The approval and acceptance of society”
Which means what exactly?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
“Well it appears that you draw an equivalence regarding sex between adults and sex with children.”
Had no idea you were homosexual.
Good gawd, what with so many queers hanging out here (Weihana, Davinci, Nasska, Eszett, Chutneychute Guy, for just a few) Kiwiblog could double as GayNZ.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
What matters is discrimination from the state and that is the target of this “agenda”.
“Discriminate” is also another word for Discern or Distinguish.
The State has every right to discriminate and should. It discriminates against those wanting more than one spouse. It discriminates against those wanting to marry an under age person. It discriminates against those wanting to marry a family member or a cousin. It discriminates against those wanting to marry an dog.
And I believe it is right to discriminates against same sex couples wanting to marry, and for very good reasons; ultimately, for the good of society as a whole.
If same-sex couples are allowed to marry, the State will still be discriminating against the other groups I’ve mentioned – those wanting to marry more than one person etc… What about them?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Well, kowtow, rest assured, that’s exactly what is happening here. People fighting for values. Such as inclusion, tolerance, freedom, love, family.
Civilisation is safe.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
eszett, except your “tolerance” is the repressive tolerance of a Liberal that is totally for being tolerant of other peoples values, except those with whom you disagree. As for “family”, your views are totally against the family.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Not at all when the use of the word is tied to one’s legal status and standing. What is bizarro are nutjobs which populate forums like this who think that in the context of this debate that it’s apropos to discuss the possible end of civilization…. in earnest.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
“Such as inclusion, tolerance, freedom, love, family.”
Insufferable Obama propaganda right here on Kiwiblog.
Megaphoning for the biggest statist ever.
FFS give it a rest you shallow loser.
(Get off anyway, isn’t it time for Jerry Springer to start?)
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
So Weihana name another global movement that’s simultaneously sprung up across all western democracies over the use by a group of a single word. Go on.
And if you’re going to respond at all, pray answer my question: why are they doing this? Why this global movement, over the use of a single word?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
This is from a 47 year old essay by liberal Herbert Marcuse, one of the founders of Political Correctness or Critical Theory –
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
The labour caucus must be absolutely delighted to know that New Zealand Cricket is more disfunctional than they are, party time tonight.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Fletch, you don’t even know what “repressive tolerance” means, it’s just a soundbite you picked up somewhere. Otherwise you would be bring it up in this context, as it is nonsensical.
And it is highly ironic, as you are the one who wants to force your values onto other people. No one takes your values away, no one tells you how you should live, who you should marry and how to organise your family.
Yet you are the one here saying, no, you two can’t marry because you are of the same sex, you two can’t be a family, you two can’t marry, because you are doing something that doesn’t agree with my values.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
eggshells says people fighting for values.
Eggzactly. But they are not the values that made the Christian, Anglo Saxon civilisation the greatest ever seen. The values of hard work,thrift,self sacrifice,consideration of other,God ,King and country.
Now it’s me,me ,me.Spend,debt,drugs,selfishness,indulgence,multiculturalism,relativism,entitlement, etc
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Maybe we should start agitating for the re-classification of homosexuality as a mental disease, as it was so classified way back in the 1950′s.
Then the sensitive little flower Eszett and his boy/girlfriends would really have something to complain about.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
If weihaha thinks civilisations don’t end ,he is no student of the Old Testament.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Yes, red, it is quite clear that none of these words mean anything to you.
Your just one sad old miserable bastard, constantly complaining about how mean and stupid the world is.
What a wasted life.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
eszett, name me one civilisation that practised the “values” you esteem that is still standing (as it was then) and hasn’t destroyed itself.
In truth, the things you talk about, such as legalized sodomy, aren’t values, but sexual perversities that other cultures and civilisations adopted before they fell over.
I don’t mean to say that they fell because of these perversities, but perhaps these practices were an outward sign.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Funny Eszett that you and your like queer friends never see the irony apparent in the hate you project towards anyone who disagrees with your “tolerant” liberal political agenda.
You’re just sad brain damaged irrational frauds.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Ron Paul final address to congress made into a film broken down to document his comments on the state of America today
He got sixty whole minutes.
The New York Times, LA Times, Fox News and many others all took notice of his farewell address, something that doesn’t normally happen with a Congressman, as he laid out the fork in the road America has come to: liberty or tyranny.
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December 7th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
In truth, the things you talk about, such as legalized sodomy, aren’t values, but sexual perversities that other cultures and civilisations adopted before they fell over.
Nonsense, Fletch, and you know it.
Again, you just prove that you just think homosexuality is yucky (hence you calling it a “perversity”) and that’s why you hate it and oppose it. Nothing more and nothing less.
Vote:Your whole talk about values and civilisations is just a smokescreen you set up to try and rationalise something that you know there is no rationale for.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
“Again, you just prove that you just think homosexuality is yucky (hence you calling it a “perversity”) and that’s why you hate it and oppose it. ”
So fucking what?
In a FREE country people are FREE to think whatever they like.
Your Orwellian/totalitarian state and mainstream media promoted attempts to control speech and thought are far more odious than any such views that Fletch might hold, and that are probably only natural anyway.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
The hate I project, red? Are you really that precious?
So you can dish out insults by the dozen here, but you can’t take any yourself.
Vote:A sad coward indeed.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
eszett, let me ask you then –
Do you think that sexual intercourse (coitus) and sodomy are the same? Are they equal in value and purpose? Are they even the same scientifically?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
lol, red, you are funny at times.
So you and kowtow and Fletch are free to say whatever you want, but no one is allowed to respond?
Vote:And you say I am attempting to control speech?
December 7th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
eszett#
“….People fighting for values. Such as inclusion, tolerance, freedom, love, family…..”
Tolerance isn’t a value – it’s giving in – and/or giving up!
Love isn’t a value – it’s an emotion!
Define ‘family’ for us!…..Natural mum, dad and siblings?
Inclusion – Inclusive of what? Everything? – Everything would then have no value as everything would be valued exactly the same!
Freedom – to have no values at all…..just like ezett!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
“And you say I am attempting to control speech?”
Pardon me, I mistook the hate and venom you customarily express here towards myself and others you disagree with for hate and venom.
I can see now its really just an expression of your respect for issues such as “love and inclusiveness”.
You pathetic hypocrite.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
sodomy
Fletch is totally focused on men having bum sex together
Day after day of bum sex focused thinking…….
If most male think about homosexual sex they think of woman
Nom nom nom
Why Fletch? Why the focus on bum sex?
Vote:Would you like to tell us what happened ?
They take the bad priests to court now.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Fletch#
Sodomy? We are not born to do that – none of us are. No one is designed to have sodomy!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Not equal.
Confucius say: when front entrance blocked with rags, try around the back…
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
The human anus is not part of human sexuality – never has been and never will be!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
What sort of a question is that, Fletch? Do you know that little about human sexuality that you ask these things? Why limit it to these to sexual acts, are these the only two that you know.
What about oral sex and sexual intercourse? Are they the same in value and purpose? Masturbation? Handjobs? Or are these all sexual perversions?
And what about lesbians then? They don’t engage in anal sex? They are okay with you? And gay men that don’t engage in anal sex, they are also okay? What about straight couples having anal sex?
This only goes to show that you have a fixation and obsession about anal sex (fair enough, no one forces you to like it) and you try and define homosexuality based on this.
But to answer you question, yes, when it comes to human sexuality intercourse, oral sex, hand jobs, foot jobs, tittiefucks, anal intercourse and whatever else rocks your boat are all equal in “value and purpose”
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Then shouldn’t they have designed a square arsehole? Or at least increased the separation a bit?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
What about the human mouth, Harriet?
Vote:And what about hands?
December 7th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
This is what the useful idiots are participating in.
And because they’re idiots, they have no idea what they’re doing. Instead, the monstrous morons really think their position is: “the smartest, most moral, most enlightened.” What a bunch of utter fools.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
They do end. Just not because one guy sticks his dick in another guys bum.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Where NOT to be when the DOLLAR COLLAPSE happens (USD, Fiat Money, Econo
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December 7th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
prolapsed.net
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
A million pornographic websites say otherwise.
http://www.redtube.com/redtube/anal
Enjoy!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Fletch,
I wasn’t aware Sheldon Cooper was joining us today…
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
eszett, I’m not talking about fetishes or any kind of “jobs”.
As I said, I was talking about coitus, and whether these other stimulations are equal in value and purpose.
I would say not.
Aristotle had a form of logic he called Teleology – a belief in empirical observation and logical deduction which assumes that all things have a purpose and that the purpose of each thing can be discerned from its design and function. Anything that deviates from that design and function is therefore not normal.
See what I did there?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
My wife is generally right on the money. And she said to me this morning “How come Tamati Coffey is talking about his “civil union partner” now, when he did the whole “marriage” thing in the women’s magazines? I think he’s trying score points.”
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
How’s that bomb making coming along Redbaiter?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
The human body was not designed. While teleological language can be used to describe evolution, it is not necessary and even misleading. Whilst certain developments may serve an evolutionary function, evolution itself does not have a purpose per se.
So in terms of function the anus and the reproductive organs are obviously not equal, at least not intrinsically. But whether “stimulations” (lmao) of each are equal in “value” is a subjective determination. In other words: whatever floats your boat.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Weihana, yet still…
As Harriet points out – the anus is not a sexual organ.
Two men or two women can try and lego™ it with any of the available orifices and still will not be performing sexual intercourse. What you have will be a cruel imitation; a counterfeit; a parody of real life-giving coitus that can result in a new son or daughter.
It is this sexual contact (coitus), and that of the resulting children that marriage is built around and serves.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Exactly. Its only allowed if you lie together in the shape of the cross. THEN its OK
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
What is this ‘Red Tube’ you speak of Weihana?…I have no knowledge of such sites……
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Does anyone else wonder how in the hell we still have a Tourism industry??
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10852561
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Longknives,
Still casually ducking behind the curtain at United Video eh?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Ezett#
“…What about the human mouth, Harriet?…And what about hands?…”
Like the anus, they are not designed for sexuality either.
Sodomy is a human construct and has morphed into the religion of homosexuality.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Pete George#
“No one is designed to have sodomy!”…..”Then shouldn’t they have designed a square arsehole? Or at least increased the separation a bit?”
I can see how animals could get confused between an anus and a vagina – but 4% of the human population?
C’mon Pete…..you know sodomy is not ‘natural’ for humans to partake in….as our sexual organs are designed to complement eachother.
Ezettt thinks that the mouth is a sexual organ – now that is an idiot Pete!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Gays don’t even compliment each other – so how the fuck would they really understand sexuality!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Nah, Im with Ezett on this one Harriet, count me in for mouth as well. Reminds me, must head home to the wife soon
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
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December 7th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Oh, I wouldn’t say that. Plenty of gay folk say very nice things about each other.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Fletch#
“…..Aristotle had a form of logic he called Teleology – a belief in empirical observation and logical deduction which assumes that all things have a purpose and that the purpose of each thing can be discerned from its design and function. Anything that deviates from that design and function is therefore not normal….”
That’s an absolute truth as the natural fit to the human wrist is the human hand, and the natural fit to the human vagina is the human penis, and the natural fit to the human anus is excrement! Only animals could ever get confused about that!
The natural fit to the human head for 96% of the poulation is the human brain!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
That does tend to depend on the particular humans in question.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Actually, that raises a bit of a question, Harriet. What would God’s purpose be in creating such a variety of sizes of vaginas and penises? Should a physically incompatible different-sex couple consider themselves to be missing God’s hint by pursuing a relationship when they should rather be finding a more complementarily bodied partner?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Why? Just because you say so?
They are sexual acts, the same way as intercourse is a sexual act. It’s no different. Human sexuality is way more than just reproduction, 99% of sexual intercourse is not intended for reproduction.
Here’s what you are trying to do, Fletch. You despise homosexuals and want to rationalise it by creating characteristics that include heterosexuals and exclude homosexuals. It’s the classical us vs them tactic, we are good, they are bad.
You reduce it to sexuality, even though there is way more to human relationships than just sex.
We have sex in a good way, they have sex in a bad way. Unfortunately for you straight people engage in the same kind sexual activity as gay people do.
We have sex to reproduce, they don’t. Well as I pointed out, most of the time straight people don’t have sex to reproduce.
What we have is natural, what they have is unnatural. However, most of human behavior is unnatural (as in not observed in other species) but homosexuality is actually observed in other species.
All this is just an desperate attempt to rationalise your prejudices and your preconceptions and justify why you should discriminate against homosexuals.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
“…..Oh, I wouldn’t say that. Plenty of gay folk say very nice things about each other….”
They still don’t physicly compliment each other Ryan. Where as a husband and wife do.
Gays also have brains Ryan, so how come gays don’t realise that ‘Marriage equality’ is impossable to achieve?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Your getting REALLY DEPERATE RYAN!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Yeah, I was making a joke because you used the word “compliment” when you meant “complement”.
Oh, hardly. I’m just following your “everything fits together or doesn’t for a reason” reasoning through to a few logical conclusions.
I’m sure you’re aware that there’s a great variety of genital sizes out there, and there are plenty of penis-vagina combinations that are about as physically complementary as your penis-anus example. If the penis not fitting easily into the anus is a sign of God not intending for it to happen, doesn’t that mean the same for straight couples where the penis doesn’t fit easily into the vagina?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
eszett#
“…..What we have is natural, what they have is unnatural. However, most of human behavior is unnatural (as in not observed in other species) but homosexuality is actually observed in other species….”
Animals could get confused between a vagina and an anus – but 4% of the human population?
Ezett believes that 96% of humans behave unnaturally!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
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December 7th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
What you’re saying, Harriet, is that gay (and straight) couples who engage in anal sex should stop and say, “Now, hold on. This doesn’t fit. We’re probably not meant to do that.”
And you’ve suggested they’re idiots if they don’t think that.
But what happens when a straight couple engages in vaginal sex and finds it doesn’t fit? Would they be idiotic not to think, “Now, hold on. This doesn’t fit. We’re probably not meant to do that.”?
And if there’s a difference, please explain what it is.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
“…..If the penis not fitting easily into the anus is a sign of God not intending for it to happen, doesn’t that mean the same for straight couples where the penis doesn’t fit easily into the vagina?…”
No.
One is a matter of sodomy and one is a matter of size!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
But you’ve just said that what demonstrates sodomy’s wrongness is a matter of size. They’re not physically compatible because God didn’t intend for it to occur.
How is that different with a straight couple whose genitals do not fit together? Isn’t that an obvious sign that God doesn’t want them to have sex?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
I’m sure you’re aware that there’s a great variety of genital sizes out there, and there are plenty of penis-vagina combinations that are about as physically complementary as your penis-anus example. If the penis not fitting easily into the anus is a sign of God not intending for it to happen, doesn’t that mean the same for straight couples where the penis doesn’t fit easily into the vagina?
See this is possibly why blogs aren’t yet considered “mainstream.”
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
I’m asking the questions the mainstream media are too afraid to confront!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
“…..And if there’s a difference, please explain what it is….’
Firstly Ryan, anal ‘sex’ is not sex but sodomy as a bottom is not a human sexual organ. GP’s will tell you that.
Of course there is a differance Ryan -the natural order of things- vaginas and penises procreate – arseholes don’t![go on Ryan, find a medical exception, a statistical abberation where some women 'ended up' with a foetus in her bowel]
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Yes, Bill Clinton was the last one who tried the “oral sex is not sex” line
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
“…..I’m asking the questions the mainstream media are too afraid to confront!…”
Right!……like…’some’ penises don’t fit ‘properly’ into ‘some’ vaginas?
You are getting VERY DESPERATE RYAN.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Then you’re saying that the wrongness of anal penetration has nothing to do with the physical incompatibility of sizes, but is purely about not being able to produce children.
Clearly you don’t think the wrongness is based on physical incompatibility, because you’re happy for incompatibly sized straight couples to have sex.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Now ezett is baseing sexuality on Bill Clintons achievments – rooting a wife who wears pyjamas!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Can I ask why we are talking about the homo act? It’s pretty gay. No-one’s mentioned sling sex yet which surprises me given just about everything has been but anyway, what does it have to do with anything?
P.S. I’m also disappointed we haven’t yet discussed lesbian sex for that could be very relevant, possibly.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Ryan #
Is excrement the ‘natural’ fit to the human anus Ryan, or is it the penis?
What is the ‘natural’ purpose of an anus Ryan?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
I’d rather not base sexuality on the nonsense that you’re writing here, Harriet.
Vote:You are either a troll or know very little about sexuality, human or otherwise. Most likely both.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
What’s the purpose of semen Ryan?
Why does each male produce millions of semen Ryan?
What are the two purposes of a penis Ryan?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
What is the purpose of trolling Ryan?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
“….You are either a troll or know very little about sexuality, human or otherwise….”
Is a strapon dick a natural part of human sexuality Ezett?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
A question for MMP experts.
Peters sacks Horan and Horan remains in Parliament as an independent.
NZF then bring in a new MP to replace Horan.
So there is now an extra MP and vote floating in the ether.
Whats to stop the PM giving one of the National MP’s the arse , making him go independent( but secretly he’s still going to vote with the govt.
Then the Government bring in another MP to cover the one whose now and independent thereby increasing thier majority.
Is this possible?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
The fundamentalist refuses to budge: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/05/egypt-interior-ministry-clashes-between-president-supporters-opponents-kill-at/
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Thats why mmp is a dog PEB and it needs to be dumped. But no, stupid kiwis voted to keep it.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
PEB, I don’t think NZF can bring in a new MP until Horan resigns.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
@ eszett
Ta
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Is it still jokes after 6pm?
A lorry driver goes on a date with a sexy girl. Afterwards they go back to her parents place. He starts fucking her on the couch when he feels the barrel of a gun on his neck.
Vote:He turns around sees her father is standing there. He says:”if you’re a real fucking lorry driver you’ll be able to back that fucker out of there with a full load”.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Pyes Pa pack rapists sentenced
Posted at 12:44pm Friday 07th Dec, 2012
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Five Tauranga men found guilty of pack raping a woman at Pyes Pa last year have been sentenced to 11-13 years’ jail.
Samuel Owen Weenink, 20, Corey Clinton Owens, 20, and Dylan John O’Neill, 21, are sentenced to 12 years and nine months’ jail while co-offender Richard James Cameron Morton, 21, received a sentence of 11 years four month
http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/36028-pyes-pa-pack-rapists-sentenced.html
That sort of tends to make these arse ends a bit quiet.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
The Nazi’s are out in force.
Mr Dunne’s favourite pastime is getting nasty with RETROSPECTIVE Tax Collecting.
Accountants slam IRD allowance change
Last updated 14:43 07/12/2012
The Institute of Chartered Accountants (NZICA) has joined the chorus of dismay over the Inland Revenue Department’s decision to retrospectively tax accommodation allowances.
The accounting industry body says it is “deeply concerned” about the new tax, and says it will affect the Christchurch rebuild.
The change will have a significant impact on industries which rely on itinerant workers, such as agriculture, the film industry, and the effort to rebuild the quake-shattered city, NZICA says.
The new rule, announced in a statement yesterday, will mean that employers have to pay PAYE on any accommodation allowance an employee gets when working away from home.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8051169/Accountants-slam-IRD-allowance-change
Time to hassel those luvely and cuddly National MP’s guys. Ypou know all those you think are just so great.
Vote:What will be next?
My info is that they are issuing banks with 100% collection notices on overdue debts.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
FOB Kid
The kindergarten class had to come up with a sentence using the colors green, pink, and yellow. So the teacher calls up every single kid in the classroom. But she forgot to call on the Samoan kid. So she asks him to please step up to the front of the class and recite his sentence. So the Samoan boy went up to the front of the class and said, “The phone went green green green. I pink up the phone and say yellow”!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
http://www.toilette-humor.com/christmas/christmas_balloons.shtml
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
monique,
in light of today’s theme I think first the lorry driver would a taken a guy home and the dad wouldn’t have give a shit as the full load would be going up the chocolate passage,and other than a dose of AIDS ,Dad wouldn’t have to worry about his boy getting pregnant,seeing as how turd thumping is real sex according to more than a few posters here.
But then maybe he would have stopped them as he woulldn’t have wanted shit all over his couch.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Tell me this isn’t one of the best guitar solo’s you’ve ever seen.
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December 7th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
“P.S. I’m also disappointed we haven’t yet discussed lesbian sex for that could be very relevant, possibly.”
Don’t you dare ‘kiss of death’ lesbian sex. It’s art.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Certainly the anus evolved for excreting, Harriet. The fact that it feels good for men to have a penis pushed inside, stimulating the prostate from the inside, is just a happy accident for those men who are sexually attracted to other men (or women who enjoy using a dildo on their male partner).
Have you seen my point, Harriet? You say that God doesn’t want penises inside anuses because they don’t fit. I pointed out that some penises don’t fit inside some vaginas. You ignored that and started talking about procreation. I told you that it’s clear your standard for what God wants or doesn’t want is procreation, not whether or not something fits, because you’ve ignored my point. And then you ignored that and started asking me what the natural purpose of an anus is.
So try just sticking to that one first point, Harriet.
Are you saying that the fact that a penis does not fit easily inside an anus is evidence that God does not want people to have anal sex?
If so, is the fact that some penises do not fit easily into some vaginas also evidence that God does not want those people to have vaginal sex?
If you start talking about procreation, what you’re saying is that how things fit or don’t fit together is irrelevant (so why have you gone on about it?)
If you don’t talk about procreation, what is the difference that makes God design penises that won’t fit into vaginas when he wants them to at the same time as designing penises that won’t fit into anuses to show he doesn’t want them to?
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
I’m not trolling, Labrator. I’m showing Harriet what silly things she is saying by showing the logical conclusions to which they lead.
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Pesky Ryan is using tricky logic to confuse poor Harriet. Play fair Ryan!
Vote:December 7th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
It is possible to have a logically consistent argument against anal sex. It’s just that Harriet’s is not. Is it about things not fitting? Then what about penises that don’t fit in vaginas. Oh, it’s about procreation? Then what about infertile straight couples?
Vote:December 8th, 2012 at 12:36 am
Ryan Sproull
One sick fuck.
A very sick fuck.
A sad, sick, fucked up person.
How sad and sick you are Ryan
Vote:You poor sod.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:37 am
Looks like a shitstorm on the way to Sydney once everyone wakes up.
Vote:December 8th, 2012 at 5:55 am
God damn fundies going feral.
Vote:December 8th, 2012 at 6:24 am
@Viking
Another reason to get rid of the prostitute and parasite of Ohariu-Belmont, the whorish Peter Dunne.
Never forget: National is the party of low taxes.
Vote:December 8th, 2012 at 6:52 am
Ryan Sproull#
“….Have you seen my point, Harriet?…’
No.
Half the population has a penis and the other half has a vagina – and everyone has an arsehole that they expel shit from.
And as I said “Gays don’t even complement each other – so what the fuck would they know about human sexuality?”
Other than adding shit into it!
Vote:December 8th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Luddites, Labourites and comrade Helen Kelly will be very happy: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/culture/8043730/The-Hobbit-gets-mixed-critical-reception
Vote:December 8th, 2012 at 7:09 am
New tax rule hits bill for rebuild
MARIA SLADE
Last updated 05:00 08/12/2012
Rebuilding Christchurch
An Inland Revenue decision to tax worker accommodation allowances will add to the already rapidly rising Christchurch rebuild bill, tax experts say.
There has been a chorus of dismay from the tax industry since the IRD put out a statement this week saying it intends to tax allowances and accommodation provided to employees who have to work away from home.
It also wants to make the tax retrospective, asking employers to look over their books going back as far as four years.
With a flood of outside workers expected in Christchurch to help with rebuilding the quake-shattered city, local Grant Thornton partner Geordie Hooft said it would make the job more expensive.
“It provides a disincentive and I’m concerned about that.
“It’s not going to stop things from happening, it’s just going to represent another cost. And the cost of the rebuild goes up and up and up all the time.”
The rule change requiring employers to pay PAYE on any accommodation provision an employee gets when working in another location – particularly the decision to make it retrospective – has taken the tax fraternity by surprise.
Hooft said the move was in contrast to recommendations made by the IRD’s own policy advice division last month.
The Institute of Chartered Accountants (NZICA) said it was “deeply concerned” about the new tax.
It would have a significant impact on industries which relied on itinerant workers, such as agriculture, the film industry, and the Christchurch rebuild effort, the accounting industry body said.
Acting general manager tax, Jolayne Trim, said it was a retrospective law change “of the worst kind”.
“Inland Revenue is taking the chance that taxpayers will not have the resources available to question the commercial impracticality of its announcement,” she said.
IRD was asking firms to voluntarily disclose payments of accommodation allowances or provision of accommodation going back two years, and where the accommodation was paid on behalf of the employee it wanted them to go back four years.
PWC said the tax treatment of accommodation provided to employees working away from home had long been subject to debate, but it had been generally accepted that the worker did not get any net benefit from it and therefore it should not be seen as taxable income.
The accounting firm also said it had “serious misgivings” about the IRD statement’s lack of clarity.
Accommodation might not be taxable when it was just overnight or for a short-term stay by a worker, but taxpayers were still “very much in the dark” about what the IRD considered to be “temporary”, it said.
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“One wonders how Inland Revenue’s own investigators will be able to apply the statement. Many employees located in Christchurch for the rebuild now face an uncertain tax position.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/rebuilding-christchurch/8053130/New-tax-rule-hits-bill-for-rebuild
The Nazi’s have taken over in the Capital.
Vote:December 8th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Decent sized earthquake here in Palmy!
Vote:December 8th, 2012 at 7:43 am
That’s to shake down all those old brick buildings in Feilding.
Vote:December 8th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Public Id: 2012p923684
Vote:NZDT: Saturday, December 8 2012 at 7:19:06 am
Intensity: moderate
Depth: 175 km
Magnitude: 5.8
Location: 20 km south-east of Tokoroa
December 8th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Yes, yes, very cute, but you haven’t answered my question.
You said that God’s design is made apparent through the penis not fitting easily into the anus, and that people who engage in anal sex are stupid for not being able to see what is obvious. Why doesn’t that make God’s design apparent that he doesn’t want certain different-sex couples having sex (ones where the penis doesn’t fit easily into the vagina)?
Vote:December 8th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Trying to argue with Harriet as though she were logical and informed is doomed to failure, Ryan.
Vote:December 8th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Perhaps God should have designed the penis like a cork-screw and given the anus a reverse thread…
Vote:December 8th, 2012 at 10:41 am
This might help –
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December 8th, 2012 at 10:42 am
You mean like these ducks? http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/1277 (That’s a corkscrew vagina, though.)
Vote:December 8th, 2012 at 10:54 am
So Fletch get”s his sexual advise from the 1950s.
Vote:That may explain a few things
December 8th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Ryan Spoull#
Ryan Spoull#
“…..You said that God’s design is made apparent….”
YOU ARE A FUCKEN LIAR Ryan!
Go through the entire thread and see where I have used the word god, religion, jesus etc.
I haven’t – anywhere at all – I have not alluded to it either.
you bought it up at 4:38 – with this -
“….Actually, that raises a bit of a question, Harriet. What would God’s purpose be in creating such a variety of sizes of vaginas and penises?..”
Vote:December 8th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Mikenmad#
“…Trying to argue with Harriet as though she were logical and informed is doomed to failure, Ryan….”
I think you’ll find that it is Ryan who is talking through his arsehole Mikenmad!
“Neither a male-male nor a female-female relationship has the essential — i.e., of the essence — property of male-female. Same-sex marriage is neither validated nor created. It is metaphysically impossible. So to think is a logical fallacy; so to speak is semantic nonsense.”
Here is the explaination of that -
Philosophers going as far back as Aristotle have spoken of predication, properties and the like. Predication very simply refers to the attributing of characteristics to a subject or a thing. What a thing is may have different properties or ways of being characterised.
For our purposes here I wish to speak of two basic predications, or predicates, which have been distinguished in intellectual history for nearly three millennia now. These two main predicates are the essential and the accidental. It is important to be clear about how these differ, since discussions about personhood and the like depend upon these distinctions.
In very simple fashion, let us define our terms this way:
-An essential predicate, attribute, or property is one that belongs to the very nature or essence of a thing. They are necessary and permanent properties of a thing.
-An accidental predicate, attribute, or property is a quality which is not an essential part of a thing’s essence. They are contingent and temporary properties of a thing.
Thus something which is essential is that which must be true of a thing. If that quality or characteristic is missing, then that thing or object no longer is or can be. As John and Paul Feinberg explain: “An essential characteristic is a quality that is part of the very essence of a thing. If that quality is lost, the thing ceases to exist. On the other hand, an accidental quality is one that is not part of a thing’s essence. It can be lost or gained without the thing ceasing to exist.”
“A red ball possesses the properties red and round. Calling a green round object or a red square object a red ball does not make it a red ball. Calling same-sex ‘marriage’ does not make it marriage.
“The universe in this philosophic consideration is marriage, which is — by its very definition and essence — the complementary wedding of male and female. Other properties of this particular can be health, ethnic, and intelligence. All such are non-essentials (the term is ‘accidentals’) and can vary greatly and still be marriage. This is so because these are either consistent with or indifferent to the essence of the universal. In contrast, same-sex by its very nature is dissonant and incongruous with the essence of marriage.
“Again in the taxonomy of philosophy, the accidental properties of a given marriage are irrelevant to its essence. They just happen to be present without being necessary. What is not an accidental property is an essential property. These are accidental properties but heterosexuality is an essential property when the universe is marriage. Again: a green ball is not a red ball precisely because the property red is absent.
“Without such essential properties as sex that is compatible and complementary, an alleged marriage simply is not marriage at all. Without this, the relationship might be beautiful and wonderful socially or even domestically — but it is not marriage.
“Neither a male-male nor a female-female relationship has the essential — i.e., of the essence — property of male-female. Same-sex marriage is neither validated nor created. It is metaphysically impossible. So to think is a logical fallacy; so to speak is semantic nonsense.”
Quite so. I can go on all day long and declare that the Australian football team which won the AFL Grand Final yesterday was in fact the Geelong Cats. But no amount of blustering on my part will change the reality: the Sydney Swans won yesterday.
http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2012/09/30/philosophy-and-homosexual-marriage/
Vote:December 8th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Ah, okay. My apologies, Harriet. I read too much into your comment replying to Fletch talking about teleology.
So you’re talking about the purpose of body parts without any reference to something giving them purpose? And you’ve mentioned people “not being designed for sodomy”, but you’re not referring any kind of designer? Okay.
Well, that’s way simpler.
Basically, Harriet, if two consenting adults want to insert something that doesn’t fit so well – whether it’s a penis in an anus or a penis that doesn’t fit a vagina – it’s just none of your business or mine.
Humans use all kinds of body parts and bodily functions for purposes that differ from their evolutionary biological roles. Ears are for hearing, but some people put earrings in them. Lungs are for breathing, but some people use them as a nicotine-delivery device. Legs are for walking and running, but some people dance.
Vote: