General Debate 9 December 2012

December 9th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Viking2 (10,715 comments) says:

    What a great day. Suns out, nice and warm.

    Hopefully the sex adicted bloggers will piss off to the beach or bush or some latte pump station and leave the world in peace.

    We could also add the anti Jews to that.

    There, that should fix all that’s wrong with Kiwiblog.

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  2. Viking2 (10,715 comments) says:

    So the evidence is building then.

    What an idiot. But I didn’t do anything.ahhh

    MP Brendan Horan offered to pay $25,000 to his mother’s estate after he was accused of taking money from her bank accounts, but the deal collapsed, the Sunday Star-Times has learnt.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8055639/Family-rejected-Horans-25k-deal

    The Star-Times yesterday saw a spreadsheet of 28 questionable cheques, totalling $180,000, going back to 2000. The largest, in February 2007, was for $50,000, and there were others for $35,000, $10,000, and several for around $5000. Investigators are still looking into who they were made out to.

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  3. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    A “pretty awful and nasty intimidation campaign” that started with ” threat of “outing” by a MP that came up during the lobbying at conference” and has resulted in “cease and desist messages” being issued to Labour Party members.

    And it’s clear who one of the MPs is who is heavily involved.
    “she’s the first Labour MP in the history of her seat to let it go blue”
    “I have also worked in paid employment for a number of MPs, including the MP in question today.”
    “Clare has him in her sights and Tim Barnett et al will execute on her wishes.”

    If she wants to stem the hemorrhaging Clare Curran needs to answer gagging accusations.

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  4. Viking2 (10,715 comments) says:

    What Kiwi’s really think.

    Kiwis worried the country just isn’t working properly

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8055459/Kiwis-worried-the-country-just-isn-t-working-properly

    Some of us that are actually tuned into the real world and who deal with people every day have been saying this stuff for4 years.

    Time for action has long past.

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  5. Viking2 (10,715 comments) says:

    Ah so you are all still lazing away in the fart sack!

    Smile.

    The Day the Penis asked for a Raise

    I, the Penis, hereby request a raise in salary for the following reasons:
    I do physical labour…
    I work at great depths…
    I plunge headfirst into everything I do…
    I do not get weekends or public holidays off…
    I work in a damp environment.
    I work in a dark workplace that has poor ventilation..
    I work in high temperatures…
    My work exposes me to contagious diseases.
    Sincerely,

    P. Niss

    The Response
    Dear Penis:
    After assessing your request, and considering the arguments you have raised, the administration rejects your request for the following reasons:
    You do not work 8 hours straight…
    You fall asleep after brief work periods.
    You do not always follow the orders of the management team.
    You do not stay in your designated area and are often seen visiting other locations.
    You do not take initiative – you need to be pressured and stimulated in order to start working.
    You leave the workplace rather messy at the end of your shift.
    You don’t always observe necessary safety regulations, such as wearing the
    correct protective clothing.
    You will retire well before you are 65.
    You are unable to work double shifts.
    You sometimes leave your designated work area before you have completed the assigned task..
    And if that were not all, you have been seen constantly entering and exiting the workplace carrying two suspicious-looking bags.
    Sincerely,

    V. Gina

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  6. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    Pete,

    It’s not surprising that Clare is agitating for controlling what members say – all part of her ‘manage the message’ mantra.

    But I wouldn’t have thought she would have the muscle to carry it out. I think the grubby hand of Mallard is in there somewhere. (I think there might have been some accusing Grant Robertson of being very active in the threats/silencing of members also.)

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  7. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    bhudson – she won’t be doing it on her own and surely not without some sort of approval from Shearer (or whoever pulls his strings) and the Council (she represents caucus on the council). And yes, those you name have also been mentioned in the comments that are starting to flood out.

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  8. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    This fixation with labour party machinations is almost as worrying as the fixation regarding sexual practices of individuals in the privacy of their own homes.

    Labour politicians are like ‘flu germs, they are around, but with good hygiene practices and advice we can be rid of them.

    Who cares about these sad little shits and their sad little games.

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  9. mikenmild (8,795 comments) says:

    PEB
    I’m wondering about Pete George’s fixation with the Labour machine, etc. Could it be he was a member or supporter but had his eminently sensible ideas rejected?

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  10. Viking2 (10,715 comments) says:

    hear ,hear.

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  11. Keeping Stock (9,788 comments) says:

    Martin Crowe has taken the long handle to New Zealand Cricket, and rightly so:

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/crowe-on-nzc.html

    Try this:

    The leadership has been poor in the past, but the fish head couldn’t smell any worse now. From the chairman to the CEO to the coach to the manager, they have all played their collective part in what is arguably the most botched administration in New Zealand sporting history.

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  12. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    I’ve never been a member of Labour.

    Do you think active intimidation, outing of the identity of anonymous blog commenters, using private information and legal threats to bloggers to keep quiet – by an MP who promotes open government and better net behaviour and action against cyber bullying – should be ignored?

    And highlighting an accelerating clusterfuck is ‘a fixation’?

    mikenmild, it sounds like you’re trying to paper over the chasms – your trying to turn it into a feeble attack on me is typical of diversionary bullshit. Are you one of Clare’s messengers?

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  13. mikenmild (8,795 comments) says:

    That’s right Pete – I’m here on a mission from Clare. You are being watched and reported on.

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  14. Viking2 (10,715 comments) says:

    Pete, they wil bring about their own destiny. If the people involved don’t like the way Clare and those dickheads are operating then they can take responsibility for either changing Labour behavoir, booting them out of Labour or better still leaving and voting against labour forever more.
    Amen.

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  15. RF (1,128 comments) says:

    Not confirmed but I have heard from a well placed source on the dark side that Tim Barnett is on a witch hunt to sort out Labours “unfaithful”. This apparently includes the former standard blogger known as CV. CV is very worried that he is about to be outed and has now gone underground. As Barnett has been away for a number of years he has been able to come in with a fresh pair of eyes. I think they were called “Witch Smellers” in early times.

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  16. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Pete

    Who except you gives a flying fuck about a small town MP in a small town?- duplicity seems to be in the water down that way it seems

    i.e Hesson and McCullum

    The labour party are a train wreck happening before our eyes, its a beautiful thing – so please don’t waste bandwidth and just let it happen. No one cares ,not even in Dunedin except two of you

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  17. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    RF – yes, Barnett has been mentioned as being involved with Clare. What you say about CV is confirmed on The Standard.

    They were able to shut Cunliffe up – he had a career to protect. They have heavied Colonial Viper (someone said he’s from Dunedin, I didn’t know that) and at least three others to the extent of legal warnings. They have squuezed the life out of Red Alert.

    But trying to control The Standard and the blogosphere is hopelessly naive. It is going ballistic.

    And this isn’t just a Labour issue, it’s an important aspect of free political speech on the internet.

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  18. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    PEB – so you are ok with this “small town MP in a small town” becoming Minister of Communications? That’s quite on the cards.

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  19. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    “And this isn’t just a Labour issue, it’s an important aspect of free political speech on the internet.”

    Oh gee is it really. And suddenly you and so many other Kiwiblog porkers care about that?

    Pull the other one its got bells on it.

    Most of the commie scum who proliferate on Kiwiblog would support legislation shutting down free speech at the drop of a hat, and you’re one of them.

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  20. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Most of the commie scum who proliferate on Kiwiblog would support legislation shutting down free speech at the drop of a hat, and you’re one of them.

    No I wouldn’t.

    That’s a funny accusation from someone who shuts down speech on his blog that doesn’t fit his narow worldview. But you always were oblivious to your hypocrisy.

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  21. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    “But you always were oblivious to your hypocrisy.”

    And your whole disgusting slimy and cowardly modus operandi is apparently centered on constant false allegations of hypocrisy.

    Not providing a forum for scum like you on my own paid for website is not anything like supporting government legislation to restrict free speech.

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  22. Grant (382 comments) says:

    Well Pete, having read a few of CV’s comments, I feel that anybody who is as clearly mental as he is deserves to be outed, if for no other reason than the protection of the rest of us.
    The man(?) is clearly far to the left of Marx himself, and I hope he is not as close to the decision making part of the Labour party as your post suggests.

    Draco T F.ckwit next, with any luck.
    G

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  23. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Grant, yes, CV is far far left, but like his companions Draco and Redbaiter he has a right to speak openly and without political intimidation.

    CV might have extreme views but he respects the rights of others to speak their bit too, he’s not one of the bitches of The Standard.

    Even DTB talks sense sometimes:

    That seems to be the end result of any and all hierarchies. The people at the top really do start believing that they’re special and acting as if the rest of us owe them obeisance.

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  24. Elaycee (4,067 comments) says:

    …he’s not one of the bitches of The Standard.

    Jeez Pete… We all know (because you repeat it ad nauseum) that you’ve been banned from the Stranded. But it’s their blog and they make the rules.

    Get over it. Your obsession is showing… :(

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  25. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Jeez Elaycee, get over it, you brought it up (again). I wasn’t referring to their rules, I was referring to the behaviour of some of those who comment there – they do things like bitch at and harrass people they want to shut up. Similar to Curran. And you.

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  26. bc (1,251 comments) says:

    On a lighter note…
    As the end of the year approaches, it seems the thing to do is to make up lists. With a lot of shows reaching the end of their seasons and the “silly season” approaching on tv (endless repeats, same old movies as last aummer), I started thinking about what shows I have enjoyed this year.
    Yes there is good stuff, you just have to search for it amongst all the reality shows!

    Anyway my top 10…
    10 Boardwalk Empire – Steve Buscemi is superb
    9 Curb your Enthusiam – been going a while, but still you still have to laugh at Larry David while cringing at the same time
    8 American Horror Story – took a few episodes to get into this one, but glad I stuck with it as it all made sense eventually!
    7 True Blood – nearly gave up on this show, but last season was a big improvement
    6 Episodes – the cultural differences between the US and UK are wonderfully highlighted in this show
    5 Breaking Bad – consistently good
    4 Californication – latest season didn’t add anything new but why mess with a good thing!
    3 Walking Dead – current third season is a show just keeps getting better and better
    2 Shameless (US) – the second season really got me hooked on this show
    1 Game of Thrones – could it be anything else?

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  27. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    What a load of mindless crap.

    I’m damn glad to say I wouldn’t watch one of those examples of PC liberal bullshit.

    No wonder your brain is so utterly fucked bc, spending so much time watching so much mindless commie pap.

    Ugh..

    Utterly repugnant.

    Probably all frequently interspersed with dozens of “public good” commercials too.

    Brainwashing 2012 style, courtesy of Obama’s Hollywood liberal friends.

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  28. Elaycee (4,067 comments) says:

    Pete – your obsession with the Stranded is bordering on the unhealthy. If someone here (apart from you singing solo) really gives a stuff about the matters at the Stranded, then they can click and see for themselves.

    You’re fast becoming the new PhilU – the only perceivable difference is that his fixation was with dots and dashes whereas your fixation is on everything that happens there. In fact, of the 28 comments on this thread (at the point of typing) you have commented 7 times – each one contains some reference to crap happening / a reference to the Stranded!

    Obsession much? Your posts (once worth a read) now sit alongside those of Penny Not-So for content.

    Now you can come back and bleat about free speech and take a swipe at me – but I suggest you take your head from the sand / suck in a breath of fresh air / and get over the fact that you have been banned from a red rag blog.

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  29. sparky (235 comments) says:

    Pete George (15,532) Says:
    December 9th, 2012 at 9:57 am
    Jeez Elaycee, get over it, you brought it up (again). I wasn’t referring to their rules, I was referring to the behaviour of some of those who comment there – they do things like bitch at and harrass people they want to shut up. Similar to Curran. And you.

    Good on you Pete, I absolutely agree with you.

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  30. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    P.G.’s fixation with The sub-Standard will be the subject of an article in the February 2013 issue of Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA). It should make interesting reading.

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  31. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Payback time Messiah’s style: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/09/us/politics/obama-team-outlines-four-corporate-donor-packages-for-inauguration.html?hp&_r=0

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  32. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    ^^ Like others with obsessions on the ‘religion of peace’, Barack Obama, or, who they reference as, stone-agers, Manolo?

    Edit: Ah, the coincidence

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  33. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    he has a right to speak openly and without political intimidation.

    What on earth is “political intimidation” I wonder.

    I think what is really being said is “he has a RIGHT !!! to say things you agree with, and others have no right to question it”

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  34. bc (1,251 comments) says:

    I knew you were going to say that, red!

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  35. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    bc,

    There are, as yet, undiscovered tribes deep in the heart of the Peruvian jungle who knew that Red was going to say that. *

    * Thanks to The Young Ones

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  36. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Redbaiter, great site you linked to on the drink driving thread. That is going in my favorites, thanks.

    http://www.straightstatistics.org/home

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  37. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Never more mistaken, dear bhudson.
    All opinions expressed are unbiased and issued from the strictest principle of impartiality. Haven’t you noticed it?

    I don’t seem to share the gelatine-like, dull, yes-sir and chameleonic qualities so much admired by your beloved Labour lite.

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  38. bc (1,251 comments) says:

    Since what I watch is (according to redbaiter) made by liberals and commies (probably all homosexuals too), dare I ask what entertainment red watches in an evening?

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  39. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    FORECASTS of climate change are about to go seriously out of kilter. We could be about to enter one or even two decades of cooler temperatures, according to one of the world’s top climate modellers…

    Oh dear! So who said this blasphemy, I hear you ask ?

    Latif, an author for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and a climate physicist at the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences at the University of Kiel, Germany.

    Good morning Griff :)

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  40. bc (1,251 comments) says:

    I just had this vision of a man tuning in to his favourite show of New Zealand’s got Talent frothing at the mouth and screaming at all the liberals, commies and homosexuals.

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  41. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    “Your posts (once worth a read) now sit alongside those of Penny Not-So for content.” lol

    have to agree PG. your first post this morning was borderline gibberish.

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  42. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    TV is mostly passé. Especially FTA.

    Its 99 % for morons.

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  43. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    All opinions expressed are unbiased and issued from the strictest principle of impartiality.

    Manolo, it is true that you attack everything (other than libertarianism) with equal alacrity. Nothing is safe from your watchful eye and sharp tongue.

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  44. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    I clicked on petes link, tried to go to his blog but my pc put itself to sleep while the site loaded.

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  45. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    ['X' is] passé

    Clearly a latte drinker.

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  46. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    There is a UFC event on sky @ 2pm today. Could be the best card of the year and its free.

    Def worth a look if you have a passing interest in MMA.

    cage fighting is probably too communist for redbaiter though

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  47. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    What on earth is “political intimidation” I wonder.

    I thought that was obvious in relation to this (perhaps you comment withoutb reading everything) but here’s another go.

    Imagine if John Key or a National MP or a member of the National council threatened you and others here that they would reveal your identity if you criticised them. And sent you notice that if you continued to speak against them they would take legal action against you.

    Imagine if DPF checked your email or IP and identified you and threatened to out you if you didn’t comply with his demands to not comment on Key or National.

    And someone else explains (at The Standard, where they get it):

    I know I’ve ragged on the looney lefties in the past (and deservedly so) but this would be one of the most (if not most) dumb-ass things counter-productive things I’ve ever heard an MP propose…

    Whats an electorate MP get a year, $150 grand or something and this is what it produces?!?!?

    What next, every right wing blogger gets put in prison for dissension?

    http://thestandard.org.nz/i-vipertacus/comment-page-1/#comment-560481

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  48. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    BTW, it has also escaped your notice but I’m fully supporting The Standard on this, nor criticising them or complaining about them as you seem to think – or maybe you just don’t think.

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  49. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    Penny George you are just painful lately.

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  50. Scott Chris (5,677 comments) says:

    That’s right Pete – I’m here on a mission from Clare. You are being watched and reported on.

    You just made Pete’s day Mike.

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  51. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    PG,Yeah I probably did not read everything, point taken.

    I am not convinced that revealing someones identity is intimidation. As for the “legal action” that will only be effective if a person has acted outside the law. It is not usually considered to be intimidation when legal principles are upheld.

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  52. BlueGriffon (204 comments) says:

    Let me try fisk some comments from Viking2′s link:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8055459/Kiwis-worried-the-country-just-isn-t-working-properly

    “Steven says he would vote Labour and says Key needs to realise “that ordinary New Zealanders are suffering”. He added: “The cost of living has gone up and incomes have drastically dropped.””
    Inflation is at about 0.1% since the beginning of the second National term. You can work it out yourself here. http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/statistics/0135595.html Labours time in office saw inflation at 29%.
    Incomes have actually increased, DPF linked to it the other day. About 3K per household.

    “”Greens supporter Genevra wants the Government to “try and create more employment [and] help attract more overseas markets”. She wants less focus on Auckland and said: “I don’t think they look after primary producers as well as they should.””
    Where to start with this deluded soul. Does Genevra actually know Green policy. Overseas markets? The Greens abhor free trade or are they just against imports? Hypocrites. Primary producers. You mean like farmers Genevra! Dear God!

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  53. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Nah Scott Chris, nothing new, Clare told me herself that she has watched what I say here and on Whale Oil.

    For ever one who grizzles about coverage theres a hundred who are interested in what’s going on.

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  54. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    PEB – so you are ok with this “small town MP in a small town” becoming Minister of Communications? That’s quite on the cards.

    Labour will not be in power in 2014, as much as you lie awake at night Pete fantasizing about this , it will not happen. The way things are going there is a chance there won’t be a labour party in 2014.

    You are tied up in small town politics, who the fuck is Clare Curran? Only the lonely read The Standard. In the real world its a gorgous day, might I suggest a cup of tea and get out in the garden

    For ever one who grizzles about coverage theres a hundred who are interested in what’s going on.

    and living in a state as delusional as that makes you suitable for a position with New Zealand Cricket

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  55. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    PEB, no I don’t fantasise about Labour-Greens being in power from 2014, I dread it.

    And I’m not tied up in small town politics at all, don’t know where you got that idea. This is a national politics issue, I’m surprised you can’t see that. Ah, and site statistics aren’t delusional. But I don’t care if some aren’t interested, their call.

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  56. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    Labor started as a party defending , if you will, cost of living pressures versus rich people.

    Now they have been taken over by left wing snobs who defend political correctness versus all people.

    All theory but no dirt under the fingernails. Or as the voters are saying -

    All recipes and no food on the tables! :cool:

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  57. cha (3,535 comments) says:

    Oh noes!.

    http://www.scotusblog.com/2012/11/court-to-consider-same-sex-marriage-cases-in-plain-english/

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  58. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    You really should learn to check the stories you post kea
    Stil waiting for your explanation into the people behind the great global warming hoax. Has me enthralled waiting for you naming who subverted the world’s scientists and governments. :lol:

    Mojib Latif,
    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2009/10/01/204739/interview-with-dr-mojib-latif-global-cooling-revkin-morano-george-will/
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/11/climate-change-global-warming-mojib-latif

    A leading scientist has hit out at misleading newspaper reports that linked his research to claims that the current cold weather undermines the scientific case for manmade global warming.

    Mojib Latif, a climate expert at the Leibniz Institute at Kiel University in Germany, said he “cannot understand” reports that used his research to question the scientific consensus on climate change.

    He told the Guardian: “It comes as a surprise to me that people would try to use my statements to try to dispute the nature of global warming. I believe in manmade global warming. I have said that if my name was not Mojib Latif it would be global warming.”

    The mail on-line where your story originated from http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html

    Look its your idiot mate David Rose Making up things again:lol:

    Critical thinking research your stories a little more than streight from the denial echochamber It just makes you look silly when you post dribble from proven liers.

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  59. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Dime- Lets not forget Pacquiao vs Marquez today…

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  60. Fletch (5,721 comments) says:

    Actually Latif said a couple of years back that we’re in a cooling phase which he believes could last 10 or 20 years or longer.

    He thinks warming could resume in 2020 or 2030, but isn’t sure.

    Yet last week in Geneva, at the UN’s World Climate Conference–an annual gathering of the so-called “scientific consensus” on man-made climate change –Latif conceded the Earth has not warmed for nearly a decade and that we are likely entering “one or even two decades during which temperatures cool.”

    The global warming theory has been based all along on the idea that the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans would absorb much of the greenhouse warming caused by a rise in man-made carbon dioxide, then they would let off that heat and warm the atmosphere and the land.

    But as Latif pointed out, the Atlantic, and particularly the North Atlantic, has been cooling instead. And it looks set to continue a cooling phase for 10 to 20 more years.

    “How much?” he wondered before the assembled delegates. “The jury is still out.”

    But it is increasingly clear that global warming is on hiatus for the time being. And that is not what the UN, the alarmist scientists or environmentalists predicted. For the past dozen years, since the Kyoto accords were signed in 1997, it has been beaten into our heads with the force and repetition of the rowing drum on a slave galley that the Earth is warming and will continue to warm rapidly through this century until we reach deadly temperatures around 2100.

    While they deny it now, the facts to the contrary are staring them in the face: None of the alarmist drummers ever predicted anything like a 30-year pause in their apocalyptic scenario.

    Latif says he expects warming to resume in 2020 or 2030.

    http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/Scientists+pull+about+face+global+warming/2010571/story.html

    I think the truth is that they don’t know. Models are just that – models – and I don’t think any of their model predictions have been accurate.

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  61. Reid (15,531 comments) says:

    Pete I don’t understand why you’re getting so excited about Labour MP’s controlling free speech. I mean, do you think this is unusual for them? Are you puzzled as to why they’re doing this? Do you think it’s inconsistent with their way they practice their politics over there on the left?

    If you think any of those things then why?

    This is mere de rigeur for the lefties. They’re idiots, they don’t get it, everyone here already knows all of this.

    You’re doing us a service in bringing it to our attention so we can all have a quiet snigger about how stupid they are so thanks for that, but you don’t need to keep banging on about it as if it’s some sort of insoluble mystery or something extraordinary because it’s neither of those things…

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  62. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Yes Fletch it is a global conspirawhacky :grin:
    Same goes to you how come every government and scientific body of any note is behind global warming?
    Who is in on this giant hoax and why.
    Remember its the scientific community that you are attacking
    Evil :twisted: scientists :lol:
    Not all of them are climate scientist you are attacking the very integrity of all scientists

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  63. RightNow (6,338 comments) says:

    Griff, it’s…..
    Gergis and Karoly

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  64. RightNow (6,338 comments) says:

    Cooling trend:
    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1997/plot/rss/from:1997/trend

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  65. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Time to go, Hugo: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/08/venezuela-chavez-says-cancer-back-plans-surgery/

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  66. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Still does not answer my question right now
    Who has taken over the scientific bodies ?
    Who is running this global conspiricy that subverts govertments and science?

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  67. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Griff, you’re an AGW believer.
    Happening or not, it does not matter. You believe in it and that’s enough for you to enjoy paying the ETS tax.

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  68. RightNow (6,338 comments) says:

    Why do you keep harping on about this conspiracy theory of yours griff? You only have to look at the records to see it hasn’t warmed as predicted. Whether or not there’s actually a conspiracy, or whether it’s just the world’s leading grant recipients succumbing to group-think and confirmation bias, doesn’t change the fact the warming has stopped.
    You’re just butt-hurt since I proved climate scientists get more money from big oil than skeptics lol. I shot your own conspiracy out the water and now you don’t know how to respond. Diddums

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  69. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Still no answer
    Too much cognitive dissonance :grin:
    Its only gruff griff giving grief :grin:
    No it our government.
    The UN .
    All major scientific bodies.
    The governments of most of the world.
    Including all the developed countries.
    Everyone is well past, is it happening or not? they just cannot agree on how the cuts in co2 will come.

    Except an echochamber of misinformation paid for by the oil industry and run by pr misinformation specialists who cut their teeth denying the link between smoking and cancer.

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  70. RightNow (6,338 comments) says:

    Climate scientists are the oil industry shills, getting hundreds of millions of dollars from them.

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  71. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    No it our government.
    The UN .
    All major scientific bodies.
    The governments of most of the world.
    Including all the developed countries.
    Everyone is well past, is it happening or not? They just cannot agree on how the cuts in co2 will come.

    Too hard? Right Now

    To make the leap to the listed organizations:Everyone else who believes the climate scientists

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  72. RightNow (6,338 comments) says:

    Still too butt hurt to reason straight huh griff?

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  73. RightNow (6,338 comments) says:

    Oh look, sea level rise has decelerated markedly since 2003.
    http://notrickszone.com/2012/12/06/meteorologist-klaus-eckart-puls-sea-level-rise-has-slowed-34-over-the-last-decade/

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  74. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Still no answer
    Too much cognitive dissonance

    No it our government.

    The UN .

    All major scientific bodies.

    The governments of most of the world.

    Including all the developed countries.

    Everyone is well past, is it happening or not? They just cannot agree on how the cuts in co2 will come.

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  75. Fletch (5,721 comments) says:

    Griff, except that not all scientists do believe in AGW. The idea that there is some kind of consensus is false. There is not.
    It’s only that one side is making it’s voice heard and any competing view is stifled. You only have to look at the Climategate emails to see this being done.

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  76. mikenmild (8,795 comments) says:

    Fletch
    1. It is not about ‘belief’: that comes from your faith-based anti-science world view.
    2. There is an overwhelming consensus of scientific opinion.
    3. Climate change ‘sceptics’ get far more coverage than their ideas warrant, mainly because of media ideas of balance and fair coverage.

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  77. Scott Chris (5,677 comments) says:

    (blockquote)insert text(/blockquote)

    Don’t forget the forward slash (/) in the second bracket or it won’t work.

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  78. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    You really should learn to check the stories you post kea

    Pot calling the kettle black and grimy arse, there Griff.

    I do enjoy your rants against “BIG OIL” and vague references to some sort of conspiracy. But the fact is there is no money in speaking out against climate liars. The real money in the BIG BUSINESS of AGW.

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  79. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10852927

    Mike Hesson the youngest person ever to get his level three coaching qualification that is after representing Otago B and now he’s the New Zealand Cricket Coach.

    Theres hope for me yet, I played Senior B football for the mighty Ponsonby United Rugby League Football Club, ergo I’m probably qualified to coach the Kiwi’s or at least an assistants job with the Warriors.

    I struggle with a ‘professional coach’ just like I struggle with ‘professional politician’, they generally have no real experience in what they are trying do.

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  80. mikenmild (8,795 comments) says:

    There is conspiracy theory at play in the so-called debate over climate change. But it is the climate changes ‘sceptics’ who are reduced to claiming that the current scientific consensus on climate change is the biggest conspiracy ever.

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  81. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    “I struggle with a ‘professional coach’ just like I struggle with ‘professional politician’, they generally have no real experience in what they are trying do.”

    Now Grizz Wyllie- There was a rugby coach! No coaching certificates or new age ‘player management’ courses in those days..

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  82. wat dabney (3,455 comments) says:

    2. There is an overwhelming consensus of scientific opinion.

    This is patently false.

    3. Climate change ‘sceptics’ get far more coverage than their ideas warrant, mainly because of media ideas of balance and fair coverage.

    Also patently false.

    mm, why do you bother to post lies here?

    And what are we supposed to make of your argument for global warming when it is based on lies?

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  83. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Cracking fight today Dime- much better than the snorefest that is UFC!
    Time for Manny to retire though…..

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  84. big bruv (12,352 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay

    While your argument about Hesson’s modest playing career has some merit there are a few examples or names that kinda destroy your argument.

    Sir Alex Fergusson, Arsene Wenger and Sir Graham Henry being just three of them.

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  85. Nostalgia-NZ (4,686 comments) says:

    Pacquiao v Marquez. KO to Marquez?

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  86. mikenmild (8,795 comments) says:

    wat
    Says you.

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  87. Nostalgia-NZ (4,686 comments) says:

    ‘Sir Alex Fergusson, Arsene Wenger and Sir Graham Henry being just three of them.’

    Did they put the best player out of the team straight away. Hesson is shaping up as a first class idiot. He appears to have a premature ejaculation problem, over excitement and unable to focus long term.

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  88. cha (3,535 comments) says:

    There is an overwhelming consensus of scientific opinion.”

    Of 13,950 peer reviewed articles 24 rejected global warming.

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  89. mikenmild (8,795 comments) says:

    BB
    Hesson deserves to be judged on his achievements in the job, not his playing background. He clearly has a decent background in the game. On the other hand, our judgement of him needs to take into account his spectacular demolition of our best player. Hard to see that he has much future as coach if he can’t handle the players in a less ham-fisted manner.

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  90. mikenmild (8,795 comments) says:

    cha chips in with some evidence.

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  91. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    “Who is running this global conspiricy that subverts govertments and science?”

    You stupid fucking retard, I answered this well enough for you the other day and you keep asking it as if you’ve never even read it.

    The people behind the GW scam are self interested scientists receiving grants for pro GW findings, and the governments who provide them with the money to do this, and these are in almost every case socialist governments who agree with the other party to the whole damn artifice and that is the UN.

    The socialist governments are co-ordinated through Socialist International, and if you look at their web page, the very first thing you see at top right is a GW (Climate Justice) link.

    http://www.socialistinternational.org/

    Here is a list of countries where their members are holding power-

    http://www.socialistinternational.org/images/dynamicImages/files/Member_Parties_in_Govt%20Dec12.pdf

    Helen Klark was/ is prominent in SI, and has now moved on to the UN. Anyone who claims there is no left wing globally co-ordinated political strategy is just another head in the sand denier of reality.

    You were told this days you useless prick and you didn’t even respond. Now here you are again asking the same lame question. Fuck off and stop wasting readers’ time with your obsessive repetitive commie shit.

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  92. big bruv (12,352 comments) says:

    Nos

    “Did they put the best player out of the team straight away”

    In the case of Sir Alex yes, he has done that at least twice that I can think of.

    I am in no way defending Hesson, if I was running NZC I would have sacked the guy already and be in the process of begging John Wright to come back and run the entire show.
    Come to think of it, the first player I would call in for “a chat” would be McCullum, he (McCullum) would be told that from now on he was to be the wicket keeper and no seven batsmen in the team. If he did not like that he would be shown the door.

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  93. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Red, facts don’t work on those freaks. Its a belief system, not a reasoned position.

    The people pulling the strings of people like Griff, and resident communist mm, are in it for money and political power. It there to see for anyone who cares to look.

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  94. wat dabney (3,455 comments) says:

    Says you.

    Actually mm, it is you who made the assertions. I’d ask you to back them up, but you and I both know you are lying.

    So again, why do you bother to come here and lie?

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  95. mikenmild (8,795 comments) says:

    BB
    I could stand having John Wright running the whole show. You, not so much…

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  96. mikenmild (8,795 comments) says:

    wat
    Lucky me eh, cha@7.42pm has provided a very helpful link for you.

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  97. big bruv (12,352 comments) says:

    Oh come on MNM, I would be bloody great at it.

    The first thing I would do would be to ban the term “batters” from the game. There are no such thing as batters in cricket.

    The next thing I would do is cut all funding for shelia’s cricket, they simply cannot play the game. There would be far more test cricket and a hell of a lot less T20 and ODI crap.

    Oh…and nobody from Canterbury would ever be allowed in the test team.

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  98. mikenmild (8,795 comments) says:

    bb
    It’s that mixed bag of ideas that counts you out: some good, some awful. Women’s cricket is getting much better and is now actually watchable. We could confine T20 and one-day cricket to Canterbury and play first class and test cricket in the rest of the country. Want to play in the IPL – move to Christchurch first as preparation for a career in the third world.

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  99. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    “Red, facts don’t work on those freaks. Its a belief system, not a reasoned position.”

    Well he’s an ex trade union leader so what would you expect.

    Have you ever known one of them with a clue?

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  100. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,786 comments) says:

    So Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro are two good tips for the celebrity death pools in 2013.

    But which will go first?

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  101. Nostalgia-NZ (4,686 comments) says:

    big bruv

    I put my foot in there.

    Go along with your remedy as well.

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  102. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Griff, a former unionist? Good grief!

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  103. wat dabney (3,455 comments) says:

    mm,

    That seems to be an entirely different claim, supposedly related to numbers of peer-review articles. It says nothing about your phony claim about a consensus of scientists.

    Remember, the main bombshell that came out of the Climategate scandal was how the charlatans had conspired to pervert the peer-review process.

    Why would you now cite peer-review as a sign of anything at all?

    But more importantly, why would you trust those charlatans who you know conspired to pervert science like this?

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  104. mikenmild (8,795 comments) says:

    Reddy, we don’t call them trade unions any more coz we don’t have any trades. We have human resource management instead of industrial relations. Get with the programme, son.

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  105. mikenmild (8,795 comments) says:

    wat dabney
    I know no such thing. If you have a problem with peer-reviewed science, you are welcome to come up with another mechanism to test your ludicrous theories.

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  106. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Wonderful multiculturalism in Australia: http://bunyipitude.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/new-australians-of-modern-kind.html

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  107. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    “Griff, a former unionist? Good grief!”

    Yeah, and like the retard he is he’ll be back next week with the same damn lame question.

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  108. mikenmild (8,795 comments) says:

    You a cricket fan Reddy? Or is too much of a collective activity for you?

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  109. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    The first thing I would do would be to ban the term “batters” from the game. There are no such thing as batters in cricket.

    The next thing I would do is cut all funding for shelia’s cricket, they simply cannot play the game. There would be far more test cricket and a hell of a lot less T20 and ODI crap.

    Oh…and nobody from Canterbury would ever be allowed in the test team.

    As a plan going forward for NZC thats perfect,no complaints here and just when did “batter ” enter the vernacular? Its batsman, simple. Its also the New Zealand Mens Cricket team, not the” Black Caps”.

    He clearly has a decent background in the game.

    . I’m sorry but what the fuck? I have a decent background in the game, he’s meant to have a proven track record as a coach and forgive me but Otago is not a proven background in the game From cricinfo

    In his six years in charge of Otago, he converted the previously struggling team into one which regularly challenged for titles, and ended their 20 year wait for a trophy by winning the one-day tournament in 2007-08…

    Sorry all, I can now see the how his career is running parallel to Ted and Alex.

    People are forgetting that Henry had a succesful, (that means winning things) coaching record spanning years at the helm of the mighty Auckland Rugby Union Football team and his first move wasn’t to give Grant Fox the arse, that was another Otago plonker called Laurie Mains that did that

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  110. wat dabney (3,455 comments) says:

    I know no such thing.

    You are ignorant of the subject then.

    Not a crime, but I suggest you find out something about the issue before posting again.

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  111. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Ask the nutters a easy question and all they mumble is a corrupt climate scientist
    Explain conspirawhackys how the rest of the scientist as represented by the professional scientific organizations As diverse as the royal society and the national academy of science are included in the hoax

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  112. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    Here’s another example of the crap that goes on, where pro Climate Justice liars maneuver their way into leadership positions and then pervert the names of respected organisations to their cause, against the wishes of the members of that organisation-

    “A group of nearly 50 very prominent NASA scientists and astronauts has issued a public letter to current NASA administrator Charles Bolden, Jr., requesting that NASA stop supporting unsubstantiated claims of manmade global warming.”

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/6804/50-former-astronauts-and-scientists-denounce-nasa-stance-on-global-warming

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  113. Reid (15,531 comments) says:

    This might be interesting to some, or maybe not.

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  114. Fletch (5,721 comments) says:

    cha etc etc – “peer reviewed” is a joke when it comes to the IPCC and climate change.

    It turns out that it’s an oft-told lie that all the references in the Climate Bible are “peer reviewed”. After an audit by Donna Laframboise of Toronto and a team of bloggers, it turns out that only 58% of the references mentioned have been peer reviewed.

    The other references (around 5,500 of them) are from so-called ‘grey literature’. Some are based on articles from popular magazines with no research behind them whatsoever. So, 1 in 3 references aren’t peer reviewed. After this was pointed out to them, the IPCC decided not to mark ‘grey’ footnotes at all now – so now nobody will know anyway.

    Also, some of the papers used in reports aren’t even published at all at the time.

    The whole thing is a disaster. No one even polices that the IPCC is following their own rules. It’s no wonder people are rapidly losing faith in them.

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  115. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Ask the same question

    Yes until one of you freaks can actually answer with the rest of your nutty conspirawhacky

    How do YOU NUTTERS explain the involvement of government and international organizations,.
    Are You saying the whole science community are corrupt or cannot tell fact from fiction.

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  116. Reid (15,531 comments) says:

    Explain conspirawhackys how the rest of the scientist as represented by the professional scientific organizations As diverse as the royal society and the national academy of science are included in the hoax

    Research funding.

    Yawn.

    Crikey Griff.

    Don’t you know anything?

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  117. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Still no answer
    Too much cognitive dissonance

    No it our government.

    The UN .

    All major scientific bodies.

    The governments of most of the world.

    Including all the developed countries.

    Everyone is well past, is it happening or not? They just cannot agree on how the cuts in co2 will come.

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  118. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    “The first thing I would do would be to ban the term “batters” from the game.”
    Well said that man- It does my head in hearing people refer to the likes of Tendulkar as a ‘Batter’. He doesn’t play at Yankee Stadium!

    And TV news tonight referred to Martin Crowe as a “former Black Cap”. He was never any such thing- He was a former New Zealand Cricket Captain (and a great of the modern game).
    It would in fact be more accurate to describe him as a ‘Former Young Gun’ – but that’s another matter entirely….

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  119. Reid (15,531 comments) says:

    Griff I just told you. BTW, it’s hard to talk to someone with their hands over their ears and whose shouting lalalalalalalalalala in an attempt to pretend not to be able to listen.

    Would you like to talk about why research funding is the answer to your question, or would you rather pretend you didn’t hear it?

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  120. cha (3,535 comments) says:

    Donna ‘degree in women’s studies’ Laframboise, you have got to be fucking kidding me.

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  121. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    I’m damn glad to say I wouldn’t watch one of those examples of PC liberal bullshit.

    Hank Moody is a staunch libertarian RB

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  122. Fletch (5,721 comments) says:

    cha, the author of your article states,

    First, I didn’t read the book because, honestly, I could barely make it through the terribly written Fox News piece.

    That about says it all really. And yes, where are the experts in their fields that should have been consulted on such an important and world changing subject? Well, they’ve been left out because they don’t agree with the official consensus.

    eg –

    Robert Watson, who chaired the IPCC for the five years before Pachauri took over, also says the “IPCC engages thousands of the world’s best experts.” Media outlets have repeated these assertions time and again. But such claims are bogus. For starters, some of the world’s most experienced experts have been left out in the cold. In 2005 an atmospheric science professor from Colorado State University named William Gray told a US Senate Committee:

    Despite my 50 years of meteorology experience and my many years of involvement in seasonal hurricane and climate prediction, I have never been asked for input on any of the [IPCC] reports. The reason he wasn’t invited to the party, he says, is because he doesn’t think global warming causes more (or stronger) hurricanes. “They know my views and do not wish to have to deal with them.”

    Six months prior to Gray’s testimony, an expert on the other side of the Atlantic was raising his own concerns before a committee of the British House of Lords. Paul Reiter knows little about atmospheric science. What he does know is the field in which he has specialized for more than 40 years – diseases that are spread by mosquitoes. According to him, the people who’ve been writing about those diseases in the Climate Bible are not experts. While a large portion of the health chapter in the 1995 edition dealt with malaria, Reiter points out that

    “not one of the lead authors had ever written a research paper on the subject!” Only those with limited knowledge of this field, he says, could have produced such “amateurish” work. For example, the Climate Bible said malaria-transmitting mosquitoes usually don’t survive in areas where winter temperatures drop below 16°C (60°F). Reiter says that’s nonsense. We now associate malaria with tropical locales, but poverty and an absence of health care are important factors. Hawaii, Aruba, and Barbados are all tropical, but malaria isn’t a problem there. On the other hand, in the 1800s thousands died of malaria in North America and Europe – even in Siberia.

    [footnote 3-2] It’s the same story with sea levels. The former president of a Commission on Sea Level Change, Nils-Axel Mörner, also addressed the House of Lords committee. Mörner, who has 40 years experience in his field, called attention to the disparity between what genuine sea level specialists think and what those who write IPCC reports believe. Those in the second group, he says, lack hands-on expertise. Instead, they attempt to predict the future via mathematical formulas that have been fed into computers (computer modeling).

    Mörner told the House of Lords that, between 1999 and 2003, genuine sea level experts held five international meetings to discuss the available real-world evidence. They concluded that sea levels are unlikely to increase by more than 10 cm (4 inches) by the year 2100. Mörner says the claim that sea levels are rising quickly – or that entire island nations are in imminent danger of drowning – are simply not true.

    Dr. Gray, the hurricane specialist, resides in America. Dr. Reiter, the malaria expert, works at the Pasteur Institute in Paris. Dr. Mörner is the former head of a geodynamics unit at the University of Stockholm, in Sweden. Each of them possesses highly specialized knowledge. Each of them is a seasoned professional with long experience in his field. They are, in other words, exactly the kind of people you’d expect to find at the heart of an organization comprised of world-class scientists examining one of the planet’s most important questions. But they are all IPCC outsiders. This suggests the IPCC defines top scientists and best experts differently than do most of us.

    Laframboise, Donna (2011-10-09). The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World’s Top Climate Expert (Kindle Locations 132-136). Ivy Avenue Press. Kindle Edition.

    So yeh, experts are left out in the cold, while grad students write many of the reports the IPCC uses.
    Also, as can be seen from the Climategate emails, many studies that go against the AGW ‘consensus’ are stifled. The climategate emails show some of these so-called ‘scientists’ writing to scientific journals that have published reports they don’t agree with, attempting to get the editors of those magazines fired (and in some cases succeeding).
    And good luck if you’re a scientist who wants a grant and whose view is not in agreement with AGW. You won’t get funding unless you agree with it.

    The whole thing is a total scam.

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  123. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Wake up call for poor old Griff. @ 8.48 (posted with the understanding that Griff can’t/wont get it, ever)

    Go with the money Griff.
    Imagine,

    You’re a ‘scientist’, you want government money to fund your ‘research’

    You have latched onto a gravy train, “global warming,’ then.’Man made global warming’
    Apgw, then when that comes under attack, change your tune to, “climate change.”
    Invent hockey sticks and computer predictions till the cows come home to beat it up,
    there is no money in the other side.

    There are two types of scientists, those who promote the above and secondly those who say
    this is all bullshit, it’s just natural change.

    Which type of scientist receives funding ?

    Guess what, its the scaremonger, Apgw promoter. (Al Gore et al has milked silly idiots like Griff to the max)

    Get it Griff ?

    Didn’t think so.

    Greenland is cold now, it used to be called Greenland because that is what it once was.

    Please do not respond to this post Griff.

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  124. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Fletch, just read your post above.
    Well said.
    Onya.

    Funny how some lay people can have a modicum of common sense and an ability to
    think for themselves and then we have drongs/ drones like Griff and Luc Hansen etc,
    who will go to bat with all their might and die in the ditch against common sense.

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  125. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Griff reckons those who oppose climate lies and doing it for the money. Apparently we are all paid by the oil companies. I wish :)

    …annual federal climate spending has increased from $4.6 billion in 2003 to $8.8 billion in 2010, amounting to $106.7 billion over that period…The Competitive Enterprise Institute believes the annual cost is closer to $1.8 trillion when an estimated $55.4 billion regulatory administration and policing budget is included

    Remember this is in one country (the USA). Globally it is a multi trillion dollar industry. It is little wonder that any scientist who questions AGW is instantly attacked and discredited, by those who profit from the climate lies.

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  126. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    If any one doubts how fanatical and crazy climate alarmists really are, then check out this link. Click on anything you like and have a laugh at what is being sold to us as “science”.

    http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

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  127. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Now, there we have both Fletch and Kea talking plain common sense.

    Wait for the attack. And it will be a personal attack. if it comes.

    These man made global warming suck it up drongs will one day soon realise that they have been used
    and manipulated
    by others far smarter than they are. They have ben sucked in because they cannot think for themselves.

    Course, even when the truth finally dawns on them they will never be able to bring themselves to admit it.

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  128. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Griff (3,650) Says:
    December 9th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
    Still no answer
    Too much cognitive dissonance

    No it is our government.

    The UN .

    All major scientific bodies.

    The governments of most of the world.

    Including all the developed countries.

    Everyone is well past, is it happening or not? They just cannot agree on how the cuts in co2 will come.

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  129. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    I have real concerns over what will happen when the truth is more widely known. Firstly I am concerned that real environmental issues may not gain public backing. Secondly, the credibility of science, in general, will be called into question.

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  130. RF (1,128 comments) says:

    Someone over in Labour appears to have pushed the self destruct button. The Standard is buzzing like a beehive and It all centers around the DN Labour MP, Clare Curren who is thought to be dumbing down the bloggers who frequent the standard. From memory she was the one that Mallard leap frogged over a local candidate to get the nomination. Everything Mallard touches turns to shit. When will they ever learn. It is interesting that Shearer has apparently stuck his head up his arse to avoid confrontation.

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  131. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    All major scientific bodies.

    The governments of most of the world.

    Including all the developed countries.

    Everyone is well past, is it happening or not?

    Griff, more people believe in God, than AGW. Far more. Does that make God real ?

    If not, why ?

    Of course your lying too. “Everyone” clearly does not believe in AGW. You also fail to address the issue that your sources are paid billions to produce “studies” that support the AGW fraud. Wow, pay me that sort of money and I might “believe” in AGW too.

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  132. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Poor old Griff,
    doesn’t warrant a response, but, just for fun.

    This idiot refers to his own post @ 8.52 truly pathetic.

    Hey Griff, why not demand an answer to the question, “How long is a piece of string ?”

    Why not demand an answer to, “Yeah but, why is a mouse if it flies ?”

    Then, when you don’t recieve a sattisfactory answer you can crow about how you won the argument.

    Moron.

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  133. cha (3,535 comments) says:

    Fuck Yeah, as with the moon landings, Bilderberg, the second shooter and the Illuminati, the anti-Christ led Marxist liberal one world UN sponsored CC conspiracy being foisted upon an unknowing sheepulace is so well constructed that only a select all knowing un-sheeply few can see the truthiness.

    And the truthiness is unlimited funding for academia!.

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  134. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    And one last question Griff can use to win his argument,

    “What is the difference between a duck ?”

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  135. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    You are on to it cha at least your cospiriwhacky has more than the evil scientist are stealing the funding :lol:

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  136. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    During the Jurassic period, CO2 levels in the atmosphere were in the neighborhood of 1,950 ppm – five times the concentration of today’s modest 385 ppm. During that period, the earth flourished in the fertile embrace of life-giving CO2.

    Now here is where it gets interesting. When we burn fossil fuels we are only returning co2 to the atmosphere. We are not creating new co2. Of course sensible people understand that this tiny contribution (of co2) is unlikely to even be detectable, in terms of climate change.

    cha, keep up the personal attack and lies. The more alarmists, who show their true character, the better it is for those of us who value truth.

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  137. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    “only a select all knowing un-sheeply few can see the truthiness. ”

    Gosh, the ignorant communist thug Cha actually comes out and says something in his own words for once, and of course, its a lie.

    Its not any kind of “few.”

    The predominant public opinion now as shown by so many public polls is that GW is a scam.

    Its only the Progressive political class that still push the propaganda, and their influence is fast dwindling as their Potemkin village burns faster every day.

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  138. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    So Griff; Is it your ,belief that all that money for research, all that public recognition, all of that personal profit, has no effect at all on “climate science” ?

    Your really pretty green if that is what you think.

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  139. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Poor old Griff.
    Failed English, primmer three.
    WTF @ 10.29
    Time for another bevvy mate.

    Too dumb to get it that you were having the piss taken out of you ?

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  140. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Its only the Progressive political class that still push the propaganda

    Studies have revealed that the biggest predictor of belief in AGW is a persons political leaning. Nothing at all to do with knowledge of science.

    Why can’t cha, luc, mm etc, just be honest and say they hate capitalism, or want to protect the environment?. Why cant they just be honest about their real motives ?

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  141. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    Studies have revealed that the biggest predictor of belief in AGW is a persons political leaning. Nothing at all to do with knowledge of science.

    Why can’t cha, luc, mm etc, just be honest and say they hate capitalism, or want to protect the environment?. Why cant they just be honest about their real motives ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

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  142. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    I made no ad hominem attack in my post Ryan Sproull. It may pay to read your own link.

    Here is an example of ad hominem attack, from climate liar, cha”

    “Fuck Yeah, as with the moon landings, Bilderberg, the second shooter and the Illuminati, the anti-Christ led Marxist liberal one world UN sponsored CC conspiracy being foisted upon an unknowing sheepulace is so well constructed that only a select all knowing un-sheeply few can see the truthiness.”

    See the difference ?

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  143. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    Kea,

    Ad hominem fallacies aren’t always as obvious as “you’re an idiot, so you’re wrong”. Asserting that someone is wrong because they have ulterior motives for making a claim is still an ad hominem fallacy – you’re playing the man, not the ball.

    It’s similar to someone saying, for example, “You just believe in God because you’re afraid of dying.” That may well be the case, but it has no bearing on the strength or validity of that person’s arguments for God’s existence.

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  144. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Griff, what do your former unionists colleagues think of your AGW gullibility?

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  145. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Still waiting for the nutiods to explain how the governments of the world have been sucked into the great co2 myth.
    Cha is the only one who has had a crack at the unified theory of the great global warming conspiracy.
    It looks stupid under the light of day. But that is bassicaly what you nutiods belive.

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  146. RightNow (6,338 comments) says:

    I believe the satellite record.
    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1998/plot/rss/from:1998/trend

    Can you say “cooling”?

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  147. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/NCDC_Escalator.gif

    Foster and Rahmstorf (2011) also showed that when the influences of solar and volcanic activity and the El Niño Southern Oscillation are removed from the temperature data, the warming trend in the NCDC data shown in the updated Escalator is 0.175 +/- 0.012°C per decade. Quite simply, contrary to Briggs’ claims, the warming trend is much larger than the uncertainty in the data. In fact, when applying the Foster and Rahmstorf methodology, the global warming trend in each of the major data sets is statistically significant since 2000, let alone 1940.

    Ultimately Briggs completely misses the point of The Escalator.

    “…just as the WSJ‘s scientists claim, we can’t say with any certainty that the temperatures have been increasing this past decade.”

    This is a strawman argument. The claim was not that we can say with certainty that surface temperatures have increased over the past decade (although global heat content has). The point is that focusing on temperatures over the past decade (as the fake skeptics constantly do) is pointless to begin with, and that we should be examining longer, statistically significant trends.

    Briggs’ post was of course hailed by the usual climate denial enablers (i.e. here and here), despite the rather obvious inflation of the data uncertainty, and utter lack of support for that inflation. Despite the fake skeptic struggles to go the wrong way down, The Escalator unfortunately continues ever-upward.

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