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		<title>By: Griff</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059171</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 22:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/NCDC_Escalator.gif


Foster and Rahmstorf (2011) also showed that when the influences of solar and volcanic activity and the El Niño Southern Oscillation are removed from the temperature data, the warming trend in the NCDC data shown in the updated Escalator is 0.175 +/- 0.012°C per decade.  Quite simply, contrary to Briggs&#039; claims, the warming trend is much larger than the uncertainty in the data.  In fact, when applying the Foster and Rahmstorf methodology, the global warming trend in each of the major data sets is statistically significant since 2000, let alone 1940.

Ultimately Briggs completely misses the point of The Escalator.

&quot;...just as the WSJ‘s scientists claim, we can’t say with any certainty that the temperatures have been increasing this past decade.&quot;

This is a strawman argument.  The claim was not that we can say with certainty that surface temperatures have increased over the past decade (although global heat content has).  The point is that focusing on temperatures over the past decade (as the fake skeptics constantly do) is pointless to begin with, and that we should be examining longer, statistically significant trends.

Briggs&#039; post was of course hailed by the usual climate denial enablers (i.e. here and here), despite the rather obvious inflation of the data uncertainty, and utter lack of support for that inflation.  Despite the fake skeptic struggles to go the wrong way down, The Escalator unfortunately continues ever-upward.]]></description>
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<p>Foster and Rahmstorf (2011) also showed that when the influences of solar and volcanic activity and the El Niño Southern Oscillation are removed from the temperature data, the warming trend in the NCDC data shown in the updated Escalator is 0.175 +/- 0.012°C per decade.  Quite simply, contrary to Briggs&#8217; claims, the warming trend is much larger than the uncertainty in the data.  In fact, when applying the Foster and Rahmstorf methodology, the global warming trend in each of the major data sets is statistically significant since 2000, let alone 1940.</p>
<p>Ultimately Briggs completely misses the point of The Escalator.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;just as the WSJ‘s scientists claim, we can’t say with any certainty that the temperatures have been increasing this past decade.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a strawman argument.  The claim was not that we can say with certainty that surface temperatures have increased over the past decade (although global heat content has).  The point is that focusing on temperatures over the past decade (as the fake skeptics constantly do) is pointless to begin with, and that we should be examining longer, statistically significant trends.</p>
<p>Briggs&#8217; post was of course hailed by the usual climate denial enablers (i.e. here and here), despite the rather obvious inflation of the data uncertainty, and utter lack of support for that inflation.  Despite the fake skeptic struggles to go the wrong way down, The Escalator unfortunately continues ever-upward.</p>
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		<title>By: RightNow</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059168</link>
		<dc:creator>RightNow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 22:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe the satellite record.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1998/plot/rss/from:1998/trend

Can you say &quot;cooling&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the satellite record.<br />
<a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1998/plot/rss/from:1998/trend" rel="nofollow">http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1998/plot/rss/from:1998/trend</a></p>
<p>Can you say &#8220;cooling&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059166</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 22:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Still waiting for the nutiods to explain how the governments of the world have been sucked into the great co2 myth.
Cha is the only one who has had a crack at the unified theory of the great global warming conspiracy.
It looks stupid under the light of day. But that is bassicaly what you nutiods belive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still waiting for the nutiods to explain how the governments of the world have been sucked into the great co2 myth.<br />
Cha is the only one who has had a crack at the unified theory of the great global warming conspiracy.<br />
It looks stupid under the light of day. But that is bassicaly what you nutiods belive.</p>
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		<title>By: Manolo</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059159</link>
		<dc:creator>Manolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 21:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Griff, what do your former unionists colleagues think of your AGW gullibility?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griff, what do your former unionists colleagues think of your AGW gullibility?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Sproull</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059147</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Sproull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 21:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kea,

Ad hominem fallacies aren&#039;t always as obvious as &quot;you&#039;re an idiot, so you&#039;re wrong&quot;. Asserting that someone is wrong because they have ulterior motives for making a claim is still an ad hominem fallacy – you&#039;re playing the man, not the ball.

It&#039;s similar to someone saying, for example, &quot;You just believe in God because you&#039;re afraid of dying.&quot; That may well be the case, but it has no bearing on the strength or validity of that person&#039;s &lt;i&gt;arguments&lt;/i&gt; for God&#039;s existence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kea,</p>
<p>Ad hominem fallacies aren&#8217;t always as obvious as &#8220;you&#8217;re an idiot, so you&#8217;re wrong&#8221;. Asserting that someone is wrong because they have ulterior motives for making a claim is still an ad hominem fallacy – you&#8217;re playing the man, not the ball.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s similar to someone saying, for example, &#8220;You just believe in God because you&#8217;re afraid of dying.&#8221; That may well be the case, but it has no bearing on the strength or validity of that person&#8217;s <i>arguments</i> for God&#8217;s existence.</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059082</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 10:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I made no ad hominem attack in my post Ryan Sproull. It may pay to read your own link.

Here is an example of ad hominem attack, from climate liar, cha&quot;

&quot;Fuck Yeah, as with the moon landings, Bilderberg, the second shooter and the Illuminati, the anti-Christ led Marxist liberal one world UN sponsored CC conspiracy being foisted upon an unknowing sheepulace is so well constructed that only a select all knowing un-sheeply few can see the truthiness.&quot;

See the difference ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made no ad hominem attack in my post Ryan Sproull. It may pay to read your own link.</p>
<p>Here is an example of ad hominem attack, from climate liar, cha&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Fuck Yeah, as with the moon landings, Bilderberg, the second shooter and the Illuminati, the anti-Christ led Marxist liberal one world UN sponsored CC conspiracy being foisted upon an unknowing sheepulace is so well constructed that only a select all knowing un-sheeply few can see the truthiness.&#8221;</p>
<p>See the difference ?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Sproull</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059081</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Sproull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 10:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Studies have revealed that the biggest predictor of belief in AGW is a persons political leaning. Nothing at all to do with knowledge of science.

Why can’t cha, luc, mm etc, just be honest and say they hate capitalism, or want to protect the environment?. Why cant they just be honest about their real motives ?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Studies have revealed that the biggest predictor of belief in AGW is a persons political leaning. Nothing at all to do with knowledge of science.</p>
<p>Why can’t cha, luc, mm etc, just be honest and say they hate capitalism, or want to protect the environment?. Why cant they just be honest about their real motives ?</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059078</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Its only the Progressive political class that still push the propaganda &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Studies have revealed that the biggest predictor of belief in AGW is a persons political leaning. Nothing at all to do with knowledge of science.

Why can&#039;t cha, luc, mm etc, just be honest and say they hate capitalism, or want to protect the environment?. Why cant they just be honest about their real motives ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Its only the Progressive political class that still push the propaganda </p></blockquote>
<p>Studies have revealed that the biggest predictor of belief in AGW is a persons political leaning. Nothing at all to do with knowledge of science.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t cha, luc, mm etc, just be honest and say they hate capitalism, or want to protect the environment?. Why cant they just be honest about their real motives ?</p>
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		<title>By: bereal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059077</link>
		<dc:creator>bereal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Poor old Griff.
Failed English, primmer three.
WTF @ 10.29 
Time for another bevvy mate.

Too dumb to get it that you were having the piss taken out of you ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor old Griff.<br />
Failed English, primmer three.<br />
WTF @ 10.29<br />
Time for another bevvy mate.</p>
<p>Too dumb to get it that you were having the piss taken out of you ?</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059076</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So Griff; Is it your ,belief that all that money for research, all that public recognition, all of that personal profit, has no effect at all on &quot;climate science&quot; ?

Your really pretty green if that is what you think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Griff; Is it your ,belief that all that money for research, all that public recognition, all of that personal profit, has no effect at all on &#8220;climate science&#8221; ?</p>
<p>Your really pretty green if that is what you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059075</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;only a select all knowing un-sheeply few can see the truthiness. &quot;

Gosh, the ignorant communist thug Cha actually comes out and says something in his own words for once, and of course, its a lie. 

Its not any kind of &quot;few.&quot;

The predominant public opinion now as shown by so many public polls is that GW is a scam.

Its only the Progressive political class that still push the propaganda, and their influence is fast dwindling as their Potemkin village burns faster every day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;only a select all knowing un-sheeply few can see the truthiness. &#8221;</p>
<p>Gosh, the ignorant communist thug Cha actually comes out and says something in his own words for once, and of course, its a lie. </p>
<p>Its not any kind of &#8220;few.&#8221;</p>
<p>The predominant public opinion now as shown by so many public polls is that GW is a scam.</p>
<p>Its only the Progressive political class that still push the propaganda, and their influence is fast dwindling as their Potemkin village burns faster every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059074</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; During the Jurassic period, CO2 levels in the atmosphere were in the neighborhood of 1,950 ppm – five times the concentration of today’s modest 385 ppm. During that period, the earth flourished in the fertile embrace of life-giving CO2.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now here is where it gets interesting. When we burn fossil fuels we are only &lt;strong&gt; returning &lt;/strong&gt; co2 to the atmosphere. We are not creating new co2. Of course sensible people understand that this tiny contribution (of co2) is unlikely to even be detectable, in terms of climate change.

cha, keep up the personal attack and lies. The more alarmists, who show their true character, the better it is for those of us who value truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> During the Jurassic period, CO2 levels in the atmosphere were in the neighborhood of 1,950 ppm – five times the concentration of today’s modest 385 ppm. During that period, the earth flourished in the fertile embrace of life-giving CO2.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Now here is where it gets interesting. When we burn fossil fuels we are only <strong> returning </strong> co2 to the atmosphere. We are not creating new co2. Of course sensible people understand that this tiny contribution (of co2) is unlikely to even be detectable, in terms of climate change.</p>
<p>cha, keep up the personal attack and lies. The more alarmists, who show their true character, the better it is for those of us who value truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059073</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are on to it cha at least your cospiriwhacky has more than the evil scientist are stealing the funding :lol:]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are on to it cha at least your cospiriwhacky has more than the evil scientist are stealing the funding <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bereal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059072</link>
		<dc:creator>bereal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And one last question Griff can use to win his argument,

&quot;What is the difference between a duck ?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And one last question Griff can use to win his argument,</p>
<p>&#8220;What is the difference between a duck ?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cha</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059071</link>
		<dc:creator>cha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fuck Yeah, as with the  moon landings, Bilderberg, the second shooter and the Illuminati, the anti-Christ led Marxist liberal one world UN sponsored CC conspiracy being foisted upon an unknowing sheepulace is so well constructed that only a select all knowing un-sheeply few can see the truthiness.  

And the truthiness is unlimited funding for academia!.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck Yeah, as with the  moon landings, Bilderberg, the second shooter and the Illuminati, the anti-Christ led Marxist liberal one world UN sponsored CC conspiracy being foisted upon an unknowing sheepulace is so well constructed that only a select all knowing un-sheeply few can see the truthiness.  </p>
<p>And the truthiness is unlimited funding for academia!.</p>
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		<title>By: bereal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059070</link>
		<dc:creator>bereal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Poor old Griff,
doesn&#039;t  warrant a response, but, just for fun.

This idiot refers to his own post @ 8.52 truly pathetic.

Hey Griff, why not demand an answer to the question, &quot;How long is a piece of string ?&quot;

Why not demand an answer to, &quot;Yeah but, why is a mouse if it flies ?&quot;

Then, when you don&#039;t recieve a sattisfactory answer you can crow about how you won the argument.

Moron.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor old Griff,<br />
doesn&#8217;t  warrant a response, but, just for fun.</p>
<p>This idiot refers to his own post @ 8.52 truly pathetic.</p>
<p>Hey Griff, why not demand an answer to the question, &#8220;How long is a piece of string ?&#8221;</p>
<p>Why not demand an answer to, &#8220;Yeah but, why is a mouse if it flies ?&#8221;</p>
<p>Then, when you don&#8217;t recieve a sattisfactory answer you can crow about how you won the argument.</p>
<p>Moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059069</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; All major scientific bodies.

The governments of most of the world.

Including all the developed countries.

Everyone is well past, is it happening or not?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Griff, more people believe in God, than AGW. Far more. Does that make God real ?

If not, why ?

Of course your lying too. &quot;Everyone&quot; clearly does not believe in AGW. You also fail to address the issue that your sources are paid billions to produce &quot;studies&quot; that support the AGW fraud. Wow, pay me that sort of money and I might &quot;believe&quot; in AGW too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> All major scientific bodies.</p>
<p>The governments of most of the world.</p>
<p>Including all the developed countries.</p>
<p>Everyone is well past, is it happening or not?</p></blockquote>
<p>Griff, more people believe in God, than AGW. Far more. Does that make God real ?</p>
<p>If not, why ?</p>
<p>Of course your lying too. &#8220;Everyone&#8221; clearly does not believe in AGW. You also fail to address the issue that your sources are paid billions to produce &#8220;studies&#8221; that support the AGW fraud. Wow, pay me that sort of money and I might &#8220;believe&#8221; in AGW too.</p>
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		<title>By: RF</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/general_debate_9_december_2012.html/comment-page-1#comment-1059068</link>
		<dc:creator>RF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone over in Labour appears to have pushed the self destruct button.   The Standard is buzzing like a beehive and It all centers around the DN Labour MP, Clare Curren who is thought to be dumbing down the bloggers who frequent the standard.     From memory she was the one that Mallard leap frogged over a local candidate to get the nomination.  Everything Mallard touches turns to shit.   When will they ever learn.     It is interesting that Shearer has apparently stuck his head up his arse to avoid confrontation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone over in Labour appears to have pushed the self destruct button.   The Standard is buzzing like a beehive and It all centers around the DN Labour MP, Clare Curren who is thought to be dumbing down the bloggers who frequent the standard.     From memory she was the one that Mallard leap frogged over a local candidate to get the nomination.  Everything Mallard touches turns to shit.   When will they ever learn.     It is interesting that Shearer has apparently stuck his head up his arse to avoid confrontation.</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have real concerns over what will happen when the truth is more widely known. Firstly I am concerned that &lt;strong&gt; real &lt;/strong&gt; environmental issues may not gain public backing. Secondly, the credibility of science, in general, will be called into question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have real concerns over what will happen when the truth is more widely known. Firstly I am concerned that <strong> real </strong> environmental issues may not gain public backing. Secondly, the credibility of science, in general, will be called into question.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Griff (3,650) Says: 
December 9th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Still no answer
Too much cognitive dissonance

No it is our government.

The UN .

All major scientific bodies.

The governments of most of the world.

Including all the developed countries.

Everyone is well past, is it happening or not? They just cannot agree on how the cuts in co2 will come.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griff (3,650) Says:<br />
December 9th, 2012 at 8:52 pm<br />
Still no answer<br />
Too much cognitive dissonance</p>
<p>No it is our government.</p>
<p>The UN .</p>
<p>All major scientific bodies.</p>
<p>The governments of most of the world.</p>
<p>Including all the developed countries.</p>
<p>Everyone is well past, is it happening or not? They just cannot agree on how the cuts in co2 will come.</p>
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