Comments on: Horan decision today

By: Nookin

Nookin — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 18:44:44 +0000

“It will sit well with his constituants; even if the truth is never revealed.”
Which really confirms my suspicion that far too many people are driven too much by blind prejudice and do not seem to have any inclination to wait for the facts and make a reasoned decision. That, regretfully, is why people like Winston Peters remain in power.

By: sparky

sparky — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 18:36:56 +0000

Mara, there is no proof that Brendon Horan is guilty of anything. Brendon’s Lawyer wants to know what Peters is basing his allegations on. Where are you getting your evidence from? Purely Winston Peters, by the sounds of things. Peters hasn’t always told the truth.

By: mara

mara — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 13:21:25 +0000

We all know that Pollies noses are never clean but the stench of someone seen to be ripping off an old dying mum ‘s cash is especially bad and political poison. I think Winnie did the right political thing in ejecting Horan. It will sit well with his constituants; even if the truth is never revealed.

By: RF

RF — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 03:53:43 +0000

Colville. 3.59pm

I agree. I had my fingers crossed when I was typing my post. The leader is a nasty individual in a pin stripe suit.

By: Reid

Reid — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 03:46:12 +0000

If Horan does decide to stay around and why not, he has a lot of ammunition to play with over Peters’ past actions in various quarters. If I were him I’d be contacting Owen Glenn to see if he has anything he wants to get off his chest which Brendon could throw into the ring.

After all, it comes down to a question of general credibility and Peters has just cast him to the wolves based on what appears to be one side of a family allegation, which is often not where the actual truth rests. As well as Glenn with his vast PR resources, I’d imagine there are also quite a few MPs both present and recently retired as well, who’d be ready and willing to give him some coaching on just how to smear Peters good and proper, as this thing plays itself out over the next year.

Goody.

By: iMP

iMP — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 03:31:52 +0000

More Gore on Hor(an). http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2012/12/04/horan-debacle-nzf-mmp/

By: Rex Widerstrom

Rex Widerstrom — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 03:17:29 +0000

This has to be ripe for a caption contest, surely DPF?

By: burt

burt — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 03:07:33 +0000

Brendon clearly didn’t see the example of how to bluster his way out of this with a “NO” sign… I hear it works for NZ First crooks.

By: burt

burt — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 03:06:23 +0000

Breaking news: Winston has expelled himself from the party.

By: Colville

Colville — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 02:59:57 +0000

RF (486) Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
What !!! resign from Parliament and miss out on those perks. He will be hanging on by his finger nails for as long as he can.

why would he quit his job IF he has done nothing wrong?

Pete George (15,457) Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
It appears as if Peters has acted quickly and decisively on this. Good on him for that.

Utter bullshit. Winny has only acted in the way that he think serves him best in the public eye.

Winston is a proven liar and thief, a thougher with no way to exist in the real world.

By: Nostalgia-NZ

Nostalgia-NZ — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 02:58:37 +0000

Peters has given himself plenty of ammo as to how an allegedly errant MP should be dealt with. I can hear the speeches now about accountability, self-protecting parties pulling the wool over the public’s eyes and so on.

By: backster

backster — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 02:51:12 +0000

I think the questions asked by HORAN mainly to do with Rail Transport showed considerable empathy with the GREENS. Maybe Russell could be interested in harvesting his support, one door closes another opens., Anyway didn’T CARTER (the queer) just stay away from the house and forfeit about $10 a day but still retain the rest of his salary and perks./

By: Rex Widerstrom

Rex Widerstrom — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 02:45:38 +0000

@anonymouse:

You’re correct… I had forgotten the sunset clause on that piece of legislation.

@iMP:

You can’t sack an MP for allegations, they have to be proven.

Leaders can do as they like in terms of internal party matters such as membership of a caucus. Of course in NZF the leader is meant by the Constitution and Founding Principles to be first among equals, so I’m sure his fellow MPs have been consulted on this momentous decision, and their views given full weight.

it reflects badly on his selection process (oxymoron)

They “oxy” is redundant in this instance

By: iMP

iMP — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 02:27:02 +0000

You can’t sack an MP for allegations, they have to be proven. Horan is not employed by NZF but Parliamentary Services. He denies wrongdoing. So, Winston can sack him from NZF as a member for conduct unbecoming, and then just pressure him to resign as a NZF MP by waving documentary ‘evidence’ in his face, but his tenure as an MP is quite a diff. matter. He is entitled to due process. Otherwise we’re in a scenario where leaders decide MPs’ tenure based on unproven accusations. We can’t have that.

I suspect Horan will stay, depending on how bad the evidence is. Winnie is unlikely to make it public as it reflects badly on his selection process (oxymoron) and NZF. If Horan has the guts, he can stick this out, unless criminality is proven, and that is a year away at least.

By: Pete George

Pete George — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 02:23:01 +0000

It appears as if Peters has acted quickly and decisively on this. Good on him for that.

By: anonymouse

anonymouse — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 02:22:37 +0000

@Rex, The Awatere-Huata case was under the “waka jumping” section (55) of the Electoral Act,

these clauses have expired, there is no easy way to force Mr Horan out, unless he chooses to go…..

By: James Stephenson

James Stephenson — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 02:17:44 +0000

Voters did not elect Brendan Horan (he was beaten in his electorate by 16,000 votes), they elected the NZ First Party to a certain number of seats based on their policy platform.

OTOH proponents of MMP tell us that List MPs have as much legitimacy as Electorate MPs and that people vote for parties in part because of the people on their list. Can’t have it both ways.

By: Lazybum

Lazybum — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 02:17:41 +0000

He has been kicked out of NZF.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10851889

By: Viking2

Viking2 — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 02:16:35 +0000

So the real men are rebelling after all.

hahahaha.

By: bhudson

bhudson — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 02:15:35 +0000

Assuming he doesn’t resign from Parliament, it will be interesting to see which way Horan’s vote will fall. He will be none too happy with Winston First.