Idiots

December 9th, 2012 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Siobhan Leathley at NZ Herald reports:

Police have condemned “violent” protesters who attacked two police officers and set fire to cardboard boxes as they tried to force their way into free trade negotiations.

A handful of police and SkyCity security staff were overwhelmed by more than 150 protesters, forcing the on-the-ground commander to call in reinforcements from around Auckland.

“Police staff moved in to prevent escalation and two officers were separated, attacked and kicked numerous times. Fire appliances were called to the scene to help,” police said in a statement. “Two arrests were made. One of these arrests was a female that stomped on a constables head.”

Charming. Such idiocy and violence from those protesters actually damages their cause.

I wonder how many of the 300 were on their tenth protest or more of the year?

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33 Responses to “Idiots”

  1. rg (214 comments) says:

    It appears these protesters included Auckland University professors. I am glad my children chose another university.

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  2. Neil (588 comments) says:

    I see that John Minto and that academic friend of business Jane Kelsey are listed as being involved in the protest. No surprise they’re there with their headless chook supporters.
    The police are always brutalising these peace loving people !!
    What’s the going rate for rent demo’s this year ?

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  3. Nookin (3,455 comments) says:

    Idiocy?

    Do you call stomping on a cop’s head while he lies unprotected on the ground “idiocy”? I call it at least 5 years in the slammer. These protesters are not idiots. They are zealots who want to infict their own world view on everyone else whether they like it or not and by whatever means. I woner if Penny was there. I wonder if she was arrested and we will see another “woe is me” wailing episode as though she is the only one who counts?

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  4. Manolo (14,029 comments) says:

    The right to protest is quite different to the right to attack Police (or any body else).
    Yes, the communists Minto and faux-academic Kelsey were there among the shit-stirrers.

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  5. Elaycee (4,403 comments) says:

    “Police staff moved in to prevent escalation and two officers were separated, attacked and kicked numerous times.

    It will come as no surprise that the motley bunch of ‘protesters’ also included Gween MP’s, an Auckland City Councillor (Cathy Casey) and the usual band of ring-in, attention seeking placard waving dissidents: John Bernard Minto, Penny Not-So et al.

    And I have no doubt that, had the Police defended themselves from attack via ‘reasonable force’ the same bunch of motley dissidents would have bleated long and hard to a compliant, lapdog media.

    But if the two arrested for assault end up in Court (and opt for a Jury trial), I might be tempted to volunteer for Jury Service.

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  6. mikenmild (11,655 comments) says:

    Well, the last thing the court system needs is volunteers for jury service – but it’s nice that you care.

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  7. Elaycee (4,403 comments) says:

    @milkmilo: It would be my civic duty… in addition to that of pulling the trigger against drug peddlers / kiddle fiddlers / rapists and murderers. :D

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  8. noskire (842 comments) says:

    @Nookin

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/8056161/Police-hurt-in-violence-over-trade-talks

    From the gallery in the above link, it would appear to be Penny in pic 5. And about 32 secs into the video one of the cops lands a really decent sucker-punch.

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  9. MT_Tinman (3,250 comments) says:

    Why is the word “violent” written this way?

    Surely there can be no question that kicking or stomping on the head of police officers is violent.

    Are the slime attempting to lessen the disgrace of their leftie nutter mates?

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  10. Kea (13,333 comments) says:

    in addition to that of pulling the trigger against drug peddlers / kiddle fiddlers / rapists and murderers.

    Careful. I got 50 demerits for saying less than that.

    All of those people combined, come no where near the human cost of the far left. We are talking millions dead (& dying) and, systemic torture, due to lefty ideology. When I suggested I would less than worried were those murderous people to die, I got 50 demerits.

    David does not mind people wanting to bomb and shoot the people of an entire country, but gets all precious if anyone suggests a lefty should be harmed in anyway. Bless him.

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  11. dime (10,095 comments) says:

    “One of these arrests was a female that stomped on a constables head.” – she better get a decent stretch for that.

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  12. Kea (13,333 comments) says:

    She wont dime. Firstly she is a woman, totally different standard of justice.

    If she goes for a jury trial, she may be found not guilty, because she is a lefty.

    Take the Waihopai spy base trial, for example. Guilty as sin. Communist activists attacking our security network. They even admitted it !

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  13. backster (2,184 comments) says:

    Aussie TV showed the riot and then the observation of a Member of Parliament (Hone Harawira) that the riot was caused by the attitude of the Police. An organiser (John Minto) confirmed this was the case.

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  14. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSGAJdx2b-8

    Police look like they’re under a lot of pressure trying to keep people out at one point. The video shows clearly that a number of protesters are trying to force their way past them.
    At 6:10 there’s a Russel Norman impersonator.

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  15. Elaycee (4,403 comments) says:

    An organiser (John Minto) confirmed this was the case….

    Bwahahahaaaaa…. very good. Comedy Gold.

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  16. dime (10,095 comments) says:

    watched the vid. what a bunch of sad losers. average income of about 30k I suspect.

    ive got a way the govt can generate some revenue. charge people like Dime $100 and then let us work the front lines :D id love to do some hippy bashing.

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  17. mikenmild (11,655 comments) says:

    dime should join the police if he sees that as his vocation (or vacation).

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  18. Azeraph (607 comments) says:

    He He, so we still have a bit of fire left in us, We’re Kiwi’s, not numbers but too bad about those cops, i think it’s time to update their training in crowd control. Damn that passion that can drive a group. Their is only a few things i disagree with on the TPP which everyone seems to agree on.

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  19. RF (1,443 comments) says:

    Poor old Minto bar. A sad individual who only wanted the Police to do nothing and allow the protestors to run riot. I still have memories of the 81 Tour when he was leading a number of the protests. Down in Hamilton someone used his head for a target when throwing a can of beer. Poor chap has never been well since then.

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  20. alex Masterley (1,523 comments) says:

    Wondered what was happening. The 1/2 dozen paddy wagons roaring over the bridge from the shore made quite a racket.

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  21. Longknives (4,855 comments) says:

    Just watched the you tube video posted by Right Now. “The world is watching” my arse…..
    The same old ‘rent a mob’ wannabe communists and leftist troublemakers as every other protest every other weekend.

    Is that the much-loved Barbara Sumner Burstyn filming at 1:15 in that clip?

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  22. Left Right and Centre (2,994 comments) says:

    Yeah… but what can you do?

    Geez… that Minto fella just protests for every fucking cause known to man. Does he use a secretary or something to keep it all together? Like…. shit, what ten causes am I into today? It must get hard to keep up with all the burning injustices going on at any one time. Trying to keep all of those frickin plates spinning. Poor man.

    I’d just call old Dimsim ‘spend a penny’ seeing as she’s constantly taking the piss. What a lovely little fantasy world that must be for her. Wouldn’t it be really really awesome if the next real conspiracy came along, it was right under Spend-a-Penny’s nose and she misses it cluelessly. We can all live in hope.

    I’ve been to one sit-in protest… it was about student fee rises… and I went in and stayed because the maintenance bloke at Vic played a mean piano. Then I left when I said the fee rises were only really keeping up with inflation and not that big a deal. Shit that was aaaaages ago now.

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  23. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    They had the fire brigade there but didn’t use high pressure water to disperse the crowd? Come to that, why don’t the NZ Police just invest in their own water cannon and other arms-length crowd control devices? A report by the Institute for Non-lethal Defense Technologies on “Crowd Control, Crowd Behaviour and the use of Non-lethal weapons” recommends initially working with protest leaders, negotiating and generally trying to avoid the outbreak of violence.

    In terms of physical response, the report talks of barriers and “non traction polymers” – in other words coating surfaces with slippery stuff so the protesters fall in a heap if they try to storm a building.

    If protesters breach the “moat” of passive protections then the report recommends using “accurate blunt impact weapons against selected targets” such as “non lethal weapons that fire baton rounds”. It then goes on to say:

    In the event a crowd attempts to rush an area, which is regarded as a point of no compromise or a “die in a ditch” area, non-lethal weapons that disperse a large number of blunt projectiles might be used. Such weapons might incluide Modular Crowd Control Munition, which is a non-lethal, Claymore-mine like device

    So the report isn’t some liberal, soft approach to protesters, and indeed one wouldn’t expect it to be having been authored not just by academics but by senior officers, or former senior officers, from the Los Angeles Sherrif’s Department and the Springfield Police Department. Even one of the academics is a former cop who’s seen over 100 riots.

    But at no point does the report recommend getting into one-on-one fisticuffs with protesters. Indeed with the kind of technologies the report mentions – and things like water cannon, which is successfully deployed in many jurisdictions – there is rarely any need to provided Police are properly trained and disciplined.

    While there can be no excuse for stomping on someone’s head, nor can there be an excuse for wildly swinging haymakers as that video shows officers doing. Such events only occur, however, when the situation has gotten totally out of hand, people have lost control of themselves, and Police have lost control of the situation.

    Senior Police seem to think it acceptable to array a line of officers armed with nothing more than helmets and batons against protesters often equally protected and armed, and then send them into battle like the Generals of World War I sending troops “over the top”, with no regard to the resultant number of casualties on both sides.

    That might have been all we could muster in the 80s but we now have available a range of technologies which are used effectively elsewhere and which significantly minimise (though of course do not entirely eliminate) the chance of protester-on-police violence. The question must be asked why they’re not deployed to protect front-line officers here.

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  24. Akaroa (580 comments) says:

    I see several posts urging swift, firm and uncompromising censure when these people appear in Court. Very understandable. Who hasn’t thought ‘I know what you need’ when seeing or hearing of similar anti-social “peaceful(!)- protest action.

    Well, there’s more to this than the casual, incensed, anti-protester observer might think.

    I am of an age that can recall Ban-the-Bomb and Committee of 100 anti-nuclear protests in Europe in the fifties and sixties. Back then the protestors, the sitter-in and lie-down-in-the-road brigade – (compared with whom yesterdays pathetic central-Auckland crew were of kindergarten standard BTW) – acted as they did with the firm intention to actually achieve being arrested. The idea being to use the subsequent Court appearance – attended by the Press of course – to publicise and champion their ‘Cause’.

    So, when I see this sort of publicity-seeking protest now I can understand the Police taking a softly, softly, minimum-arrest stance. Don’t give these people a wider platform.

    (There are alternatives of course that obviate any need for arrests. There’s the old ‘Put-them-in-a-vehicle-and-drop-them-twenty miles-out-of-town-for-a-long-walk-home-solution’ – but that is a bit 60s and probably wouldn’t be on in the enlightened 2000s.

    The other ripping wheeze – used when the protesting unwashed tried to invade Thor missile sites in process of construction – was to bodily remove the lyers-down and accidentally drop them in the copious wet cement. Hmm!. That’s probably not on these days either. Sigh!)

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  25. Akaroa (580 comments) says:

    Ah! Having just posted that I then read Rex’s preceding piece and particularly noted the reference to baton rounds – the context being that they are a non-lethal option in discouraging civil disobedience.

    Hmmm! I know about baton rounds, and, in fact, if i turn my head a little as I type, i can look at two baton rounds that I kept as souveniers after a year in Belfast back in the 70s when it was really all on, as they say.

    To the point! The use of baton rounds is fraught with risk. When fired they should be directed at the ground in front of a hostile crowd so that – being solid rubber – they can bounce up and inflict a stinging injury on a target.

    BUT!! If misused and – say – fired directly at a person, they can inflict a serious hospital-treatment-requiring injury. Subsequent grief/hassle for the firer!!

    Just thought i’d mention that!!

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  26. RF (1,443 comments) says:

    A major difficulty is that the Police on about 95% of the time play by the book when dealing with protestors. There can be the rare breakdown of discipline in the heat of the moment. Unfortunately protesters are not restricted by the rules of fair play and have their own rules that can be twisted to suit the event. The use of video cameras can be an asset as long as it records the whole event and not selected scenes. During the 81 Tour I was viewing video evidence that at times looked bad for the Police but when you scrolled back a few minutes a true picture was obtained. A police officer lashing out with his baton was not a good look until you saw him having a sharpened broom handle shoved in his face.

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  27. Longknives (4,855 comments) says:

    RF- What? You mean the ‘Heroic’ activists of ’81 weren’t ‘peaceful protesters’ on the end of some nasty racist-police oppression??

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  28. duggledog (1,581 comments) says:

    No need for water cannon or rubber bullets. Police on horseback does the trick. What do you do with 700 – 800 kgs bearing down on you? You run like hell!

    Seriously though I saw the footage, it’s the same old same old, just livin’ the dream of peace justice and being a twat

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  29. Zapper (1,027 comments) says:

    I heard one of the chief protesters on the radio defending the scum who stamped on a policeman’s head by saying “if it wasn’t for the government, protests like this wouldn’t be necessary”.

    Please police, next time, unleash the fury. Wipe them out. Society will be better for it.

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  30. Komata (1,196 comments) says:

    dgd
    Re: ‘What do you do with 700 – 800 kgs bearing down on you? You run like hell!

    Sorry to disillusion you, but tain’t so, although granted the situation varies from country to country. In certain western countries what happens is that instead of running you get bits of steel, weld them together to form right-angles then sharpen the point and throw them on the roadway. No matter which way they land they stick point up, the horse can’t avoid them. Not nice for the horse (the injuries are frequently irreparable and the animal has to be put down) , but as the police in the western world are symbols of US aggression and oppression, the horses are, sadly, fair game. This is why you now rarely see horses at so-called ‘peaceful’ protests and why the self-same ‘peacefuls’ deny all knowledge of such things. BTW, if the spikes aren’t available then razor blades have been known to mysteriously slice hose withers and flanks if the animal should have the misfortune to find itself surrounded by protesters, while the legs of their policeman rider’s also suffer from the same mysterious ‘malady’. A bit messy admittedly, but in the class war and capitalism’s ‘repression of peaceful protest’ strange things occur….

    The horse is, of course, the innocent victim.

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  31. RF (1,443 comments) says:

    Longknives. 7.38pm. Mate I was there for over 80% of the games and as a front line cop had my fair share of so called peaceful protests. At many of the games i attended the gangs and rent a mob used the peaceful protesters as a shield. There are a number of so called famous people now walking around NZ knowing that they are nothing but common criminals who were not prosecuted for crimes such as arson.

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  32. Rich Prick (1,720 comments) says:

    Yet another lost opportunity for a bit of taser practice.

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  33. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    So were there 150 of them, or 300? I’m confused.
    A 100% difference is a lot.

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