Some Hobbit facts

December 18th, 2012 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

Got an e-mail a week or so back from Film NZ, declaring NZ the winner of “Best Supporting Country” to film makers. They said:

“Today we are highlighting just a few of them, individuals, businesses and community groups like the Glenorchy Volunteer Fire Brigade and the entire population of gorgeous Otago town of Naseby,” she said.

Gisella Carr said the range of skills required to support a production with scale as large as : An Unexpected Journey, is incredible.

“We’re saying ‘thank you’ to people like the Canterbury weather planner, the resource consent expert from Ohope, the Queenstown based helicopter pilot, the Wellington sushi maker, the digger driver and his wife in the King Country – and of course those wonderful folk who kept the crew fed and fuelled.” 

They also had some interesting facts about the filming of The Hobbit:

  • 99 sets were built
  • 6750 domestic flights were taken
  • 19 commercial properties were leased long term
  • 93,000 hotel bed nights were sold
  • 1800 rental cars were hired
  • 1650 work vehicles  were used                                                                                            
  • $380,000  was spent on coffee
  • $9,180,000 was spent on set construction materials (with local suppliers) 
  • approximately 16,000 days were worked by New Zealand actors
  • $1,450,000 was spent with local food suppliers 

The NZ film and TV industry is now worth $3 billion a year to the NZ economy. Long may it keep growing.

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35 Responses to “Some Hobbit facts”

  1. wreck1080 (4,001 comments) says:

    Its a fickle industry — the whim of the hollywood executives gets final say.

    It’d be nice if a major movie studio was actually based here.

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  2. lazza (401 comments) says:

    Fair enough (Hobbit Facts )… on the credit side of the NZ Inc ledger that is. So now lets see the debits … such as the tax effect of exemptions/government subsidies direct and indirect to the filmmaker, Net NZ taxation actually paid, include GST and corporate taxation … then consider where the profits fromthemovie/marketing/spinoffs etc are domiciled, British Virgin Islands, Monrovia maybe … where? I have NO! idea how this little sum would pan out (Net?) but Puleeze … lets not pretend that Big Pete and the Warner boys … did not get a huge break too.

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  3. Brian Marshall (205 comments) says:

    Lazza, the tax breaks are about equal to the extra GST that would have been spent. In other words we get the benefit of the extra spending as a nation.
    DPF has covered this off before. It’s win/win for NZ and the movie makers.

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  4. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    *Very* impressive figures!

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  5. lazza (401 comments) says:

    Brian Maaate please read the whole Lazza comment … You say “the tax breaks are about equal to the extra GST that would have been spent” Uhhh no … and why? coz … As I said …. “I have NO! idea how this little sum would pan out (Net?) but Puleeze … lets not pretend that Big Pete and the Warner boys … did not get a huge break too” . And why. Because it is NOT just a question of “extra GST” as you have portrayed it … the real Biggie (tax swindle) is far more likely to relate to the “Shultz” arrangments … “Vee know nutting” about … such as tax domicile ffrinstance. Que?

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  6. Key is our man (901 comments) says:

    Considering some elements were hell bent on wrecking this…..it took a business savvy PM to salvage the deal……

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  7. david (2,194 comments) says:

    I’d take 5% of something over 15% of nothing any day of the week.

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  8. barry (1,191 comments) says:

    DPF – you need to get over the Hobbit – you seem besotted about it.

    Now a fact – its actually not real you know…………..

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  9. labrator (1,851 comments) says:

    So now lets see the debits … such as the tax effect of exemptions/government subsidies direct and indirect to the filmmaker, Net NZ taxation actually paid, include GST and corporate taxation …then consider where the profits fromthemovie/marketing/spinoffs etc are domiciled, British Virgin Islands, Monrovia maybe … where? I have NO! idea how this little sum would pan out (Net?) but Puleeze … lets not pretend that Big Pete and the Warner boys … did not get a huge break too.

    So you have no idea but there is apparently something worse that could’ve happened than lots of money being spent in NZ. That thing might be that profits go somewhere else but you’re not really sure. Are you related to Philu or Penny Bright per chance?

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  10. lazza (401 comments) says:

    My point is/was … No dammitt … I give up … “there are none so blind” etc … comes to mind.

    You enquired: “Are you related to Philu or Penny Bright per chance?” … Answer: Who?

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  11. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    lazza

    You are so fucking stupid that I can’t even be bothered pointing out why you are so fucking stupid. Whatever it is that you do for a crust, assuming you do actually work, it clearly doesn’t provide you with even a level of insight that would render your comment simply ill-informed.

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  12. labrator (1,851 comments) says:

    You are so fucking stupid that I can’t even be bothered pointing out why you are so fucking stupid. Whatever it is that you do for a crust, assuming you do actually work, it clearly doesn’t provide you with even a level of insight that would render your comment simply ill-informed.

    Insightful. Thanks.

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  13. labrator (1,851 comments) says:

    @thedavincimode grabbed the wrong comment, no edit so no context. Sorry.

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  14. mikenmild (12,446 comments) says:

    Wait a mo, was DVM’s comment insightful or not?

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  15. mikenmild (12,446 comments) says:

    Speaking of the edit function, I got along to the Hobbit today and felt that the film could have done with some serious editing too. Enjoyable enough, but it tried to do too many things, even in the over-long running time.

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  16. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > The NZ film and TV industry is now worth $3 billion a year to the NZ economy.

    So they don’t need any handouts? That’s great news.

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  17. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    As previously stated by a clever fellow commentator: some people live in fantasy land.

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  18. badmac (136 comments) says:

    Hers a question for you ROSS69, since you seem so on to it.

    How much of YOUR money did the Government handout to Warners et al?

    Think carefully before you reply, and yes you might have to remove your shoes and count on your toes as well.

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  19. Inky_the_Red (764 comments) says:

    Can you name the source of the film and TV industry figures?

    I looked at Stats NZ website looking at nominal GDP and the Annual Enterprise Survey neither have film and TV values as they (I think) include TV and Film within JJ11 Information Media and Telecommunications which includes
    Publishing (except Internet and Music Publishing)
    Motion Picture and Sound Recording Activities
    Broadcasting and Internet Publishing

    With GDP the contribution of JJ11 to GDP was just under 2 billion for 2009 (the latest available year) and the value is fairly similar for 2005, 2006 and 2008 (it was lower in 2007 at 1.8 b).

    AES has Sales of just under 5 Billion for 2011 (roughly the same for 2009 & 2010).

    Note for GDP Dairy Farming is 3.2 Billion and Dairy Manufacturing 3.1 billion. I am not saying the movie industry is not important. However it does tend to over promote itself

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  20. Inky_the_Red (764 comments) says:

    http://www.stats.govt.nz/~/media/Statistics/surveys-and-methods/methods/class-stnd/industrial-classification/NZSIOC-v1-0-all.xls
    http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/businesses/business_finance/AnnualEnterpriseSurvey_HOTP11/Tables.aspx

    http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/economic_indicators/NationalAccounts/NationalAccounts_HOTPYeMar11.aspx

    Sorry forgot to include links. My bad

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  21. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    what have Film NZ got to do with the Hobbit?

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  22. tvb (4,560 comments) says:

    How much taxpayer support went in. I assume the GST was refunded?? What else??

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  23. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    The biggest trouble with this country is the number of people who live here and are nothing but black holes of misery, sucking anything remotely positive out of the yer and regugitating it one long whine.

    I don’t understanfd the tax breaks given to Warners or who ever but I do know that the maids at the hotels, the baristas at the coffee trailers are paying their way this Xmas because of enterprise like this.

    So, to Lazza and the other negative bastards a big merry get fucked, being a sad contrarian might seem like a way to brighten up little lives but its not you are still pathetic and sad.

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  24. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    nice figures. haters gotta hate though. “bet the govt broke even”. what about the benefits of the goods sold to businesses, the hotels, the actors blah blah

    Dime has now seen the Hobbit. what a turd.

    reminded me of the phantom menace a lot. instead of the under water village with the big fat larger than life king its a goblin in an underground village.. then there was the bit where the darth maul type knocked down the midget and the young midget attacked… hell, his sword even glowed. hobbit lovers will swear this is a great movie, but an impartial critic will think “average, too long”.

    hope it makes a a billion dollars though

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  25. mikenmild (12,446 comments) says:

    It will make a lot of money. The kids loved it.

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  26. wiseowl (980 comments) says:

    well peb I hate being negative but being in an export industry that does NOT get subsidised and IS responsible for returning substantial returns to the country,I get sick of this film industry continually justifying its existence above and over all other exporters.
    Many NZ export industries return large sums every year.Not as one off ventures.
    Wellingtonians seem to get there knickers in a twist over this one to the nth degree as the rest of wgtn does nothing but spend taxpayers money.
    It is worth challenging this continual trumpeting of a fantasy world because thats where many in Wellington are.

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  27. RF (1,492 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay… 7.59pm. Spot on. Hobbit haters and gringes are everywhere.

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  28. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    wiseowl

    and watching my wifes busness struggle a few years ago when the Te Puke Kiwifruit growers were getting handouts for PSA was hard to swallow as well but as they say shit happens. You’ve probably got more cash then me I don’t know, nor do i care but I say good on you if you do , no envy, The positive is you have have an income why worry moaning about the neighbours.

    Us New Zealanders are really good about minding other peoples business, fact is someone some where will always be getting more blow jobs its something you can;t control so you move on and have as good a life as you can.

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  29. Fisiani (1,052 comments) says:

    Hobbit haters (both Labour and Green) cannot abide success. They all want the movies to fail to be able to say “told you so”. They can all go to Mordor.

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  30. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    Brian Marshall posted at 4.32:

    …Lazza, the tax breaks are about equal to the extra GST that would have been spent.

    That’s tantamount to the film industry operating GST-exempt.

    So it is subsidised.

    And for PauleastBay’s 7.59 post:

    …to Lazza and the other negative bastards a big merry get fucked, being a sad contrarian might seem like a way to brighten up little lives but its not you are still pathetic and sad…

    Lighten up, Paul. It’s a movie, not an All Blacks match!

    NZ is a welfare-leftist country, like Sweden, but not so successful. That’s fine, but we shouldn’t at other times be beating our chests about how free market we are.

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  31. mikenmild (12,446 comments) says:

    The movies have not failed. They will make a truckload of coin. Wanting subsidies and special labour laws for Wellywood is not a litmus test of patriotism though.

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  32. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Jack5

    Its not about a movie its about the sad sacks who cannot accept success by others, cannot accept the fact that someone some where is doing something positive.

    Bill Hamilton , sorry Bill those boats of yours splash too much water out of the rivers they’re banned.

    Hillary – you bastard the local should have been allowed on top first.
    etc etc etc

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  33. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    Re Paul’s 9.30 post:

    Fair enough Paul.

    I hope the movie is a roaring success. Better still if Wellywood can get overseas suckers subsidising giant industry based in NZ.

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  34. Brian Marshall (205 comments) says:

    Laaza you are not my Maaate. I read your full comment. Now, I hit the little tag David has at the bottom of his posts to make it easy to find his posts on “the Hobbit” and here is his previous post I alluded to. http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/the_hobbit_jobs.html

    Now I’m not a fan of “picking winners” economically as most end up costing money for the taxpayers, but the extra spending would not be in New Zealand if these tax breaks were not here to bring these nig budget movies here. The competition by governments for the movie industry world wide is hyper competitve as most countries recognise the economic benefit of that spending.

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  35. Longknives (4,968 comments) says:

    Got a Christmas card today- The post mark was stamped ‘sent from Middle Earth’.
    Fuck I’m over this Hobbit crap.
    And I hear the movie is a snorefest anyway….

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