Some posts from the last year

December 21st, 2012 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

As an centre-right person it is no surprise I have supported most of what the Government has done. But that doesn’t mean there have not been issues where I disagree with them, or support something from other parties, or give an opinion that isn’t helpful to the Government. I’ve had a quick look through the archives, and below are a surprising large number of links:

I will use this post as a reference point for the next idiot who states that I always agree with National and never criticize them.

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56 Responses to “Some posts from the last year”

  1. Bed Rater (239 comments) says:

    I will use this post as a reference point to claim your disagreements with, and criticism, of the National government are all fairly minor and trivial.

    [DPF: Yes labour law, the electoral system, education, political management, superannuation, local democracy, alcohol laws and intellectual property laws are all minor and trivial issues.

    Of course I support most of what the Government has done. In fact so do most New Zealanders. But when I think they have got it wrong, I say so - and have done so consistently. Constructively disagreeing with a party you support can be challenging - it is far easier to cower away under an alias as you do, as you can say anything you like with no consequences]

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  2. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    WO and Cactus will use this as their reference point too.

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  3. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    You should submit this as a guest post at The Standard. lprent should be happy to inform them there of how balanced and not-a-Nat-puppet Kiwiblog can be.

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  4. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    I will use this post as a reference point to claim your disagreements with, and criticism, of the National government are all fairly minor and trivial.

    So your point is that a well-known supporter of the National party has only minor and trivial disagreements with the party he supports – in your view.

    Say it aint so!

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  5. JeffW (303 comments) says:

    I am surprised you are such a strong supporter of a centre-left government, given your claim to be centre-right.

    [DPF: I'm always surprised at lunatics who claim a Government that has cut the top income tax rates, is doing partial asset sales, has introduced employment trial periods, has cut public service staff numbers, has instituted a spending freeze, introducing charter schools, implemented welfare reforms such as greater work testing for DPB, allowed greater mineral exploration, brought in three strikes legislation, make parole and bail harder etc is called left wing. But hey enjoy the planet you reside on.]

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  6. Martin Gibson (204 comments) says:

    It would be great to see a similar list from the moderators of The Standard. It is good to be someone who steers according to the seas rather than having one’s rudder jammed in one direction.

    It would be great if the media got better at doing “what if” (as opposed to ‘Wouldn’t it be nice if’) analysis of some of the half-assed suggestions that come from the Greens and Labour.

    This might help National to grow a pair on some of the awful bits of socialism that discourage enterprise and effort: like interest-free student loans and Working for Families; I still hear headslapping tales of people turning down jobs with more stress and an extra $20k pa because Working for Families means there’s nothing in it for them if they work harder.

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  7. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    I am surprised you are such a strong supporter of a centre-left government, given your claim to be centre-right.

    Dead accurate on the former, wrong on the latter.

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  8. hj (5,674 comments) says:

    You mentioned “xenophobia” rather a lot?

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  9. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    I am surprised you are such a strong supporter of a centre-left government, given your claim to be centre-right.

    Beat me to it JeffW. This government continues to veer left in pursuit of more votes from the increasingly state-dependent NZers. To even suggest it’s a centre-right government is to acknowledge that the entire political spectrum has panned to the left over recent decades. Like Greece, Italy, Spain, US, UK

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  10. Tom Jackson (2,225 comments) says:

    I predict that, as our politics becomes more Americanised, National will become so derpy, that Mr Farrar will ultimately join the centre right Labour Party.

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  11. Tom Jackson (2,225 comments) says:

    Gonna happen, Dave. ;-)

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  12. Viking2 (10,687 comments) says:

    Best for the Year and of course quite spot on.

    I mock the claim Murray McCully is not a micro-manager, saying “If Murray isn’t a micro-manager, then Grace Quek is a virgin“

    (which I’m sure McCully isn’t) :lol:

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  13. tvb (3,937 comments) says:

    I agree with most of it. Though it is rather Wellington centric which is to be expected. Us natives in the provinces do not paint ourselves in woad and these days have fairly good access to information thanks to the Internet.

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  14. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    To even suggest it’s a centre-right government is to acknowledge that the entire political spectrum has panned to the left over recent decades.

    That’s very funny, they say the opposite elsewhere. At The Standard the harder left deplore Labour being too centre right.

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  15. RRM (8,987 comments) says:

    We (the non-lunatics) know you’re a good bastard DPF.
    Enjoy trying to keep this thread clean, now you’ve called all the lunatics out almost by name :-) And have a good xmas…

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  16. JeffW (303 comments) says:

    Well, DPF, I consider myself to be told off.

    With all due respect, however, it is not what National has done, it is what it hasn’t done. Has National:
    - started making the case to NZers that wealth is not created by government?
    - started making the case that welfare as we know has not worked, and needs serious reform? Welfare is destroying our society, as Jphn Tamihere has noted (before being stomped on by Helen).
    - stopped subsidisiing women who choose to have babies they see as cheques rather than human beings to be cherished?
    - made a case for the government to get out of most businesses it is in, not just partial sales of power companies? In particular, has it sold off liabilities such as TVNZ and Radio Left Wing?
    - has it closed down the thousands of single issue quangos, whose recommendations have little bearing to reality (owing to the single issue focus)?
    - made the case for ending interest free and “walk-away” student loans?
    - made much of a case for lower taxes rather than middle class welfare (WFF)?
    - started making a case that government funding can be separated from provision in sectors such as education and health?

    Above all, what steps has it taken to increase freedom rather than continue to pretend that government has all the answers? What steps has it taken to start making NZers aware that government can’t defeat Darwinism, and that personal responsibility is required.

    Present policy settings have us on a path to bankruptcy, admittedly slower than if Labour were in power (not to mention the Greens, who seem to seek a mad dash to bankruptcy). There has only been tinkering around this; yes, positive tinkering, but far too little.

    Perhaps National would like to do more, to become real centre-right, but I acknowledge that in a centre-left country like NZ, this is very difficult. Whether National should be considered centre-right, however, should be based on what they do rather than what they might want to do.

    I guess there are two paths National can take, one to try to fix NZ’s ills, knowing that they will lose the next election; the second to try to stop Labour and heaven forbid the Greens taking power and making things worse. The choice seems to be the second option, which is not necessarily a bad choice, but it doesn’t make them centre-right.

    As for the planet I am on, it is one in which the inhabitants care about NZ for the longer term, not just for the day or the next election. Fundamental reform is needed if we are to have a prosperous future.

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  17. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    Hear, hear.

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  18. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Of course we can also (not be invited to) consider the sin of omission. For example, when a situation that leaves the Party vulnerable to criticism is tactfully ignored. It doesn’t show up on stats, and of course, requires no defense against subjectivity, because it never happened and leaves no trail.

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  19. hmmokrightitis (1,458 comments) says:

    It still intrigues the hell out of me that the RWNJ’s around here – you know who you are – bemoan the fact that National has lost its way, has strayed from its right wing roots, blah blah, blah (insert ad hom were all fucked and going to die cos they are SO left wing comment here)…

    And yet they fail to realise that National campaigned on everything they are doing. As did two right wing parties, the CCCP and ACT. And National govern based on that fact. Please tell me why, oh RWNJ’s, why you expect National to be something they havent been for so many years, that over time has seen them move to more centrist ground, and support for further right wing policies fade to dust (key point that)…

    Im almost certain it will be the very same refrain oft espoused at the standard, that they know best and the majority are deluded etc etc.

    Humour me. No, really. Without abuse, without rancour. Why is it you demand National be something it clearly isnt, and hasnt been for a long time, when its obvious the electorate doesnt want extremes, or either left or right?

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  20. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    hmmokrightitis – yes, it’s the same at The Standard, the most vocal are fairly leftish ideologists who want to pull Labour ‘back’ to something they have probably never been, certainly not for the last few decades anyway.

    The ‘good old party’ delusion is similar to the ‘good old days’ delusion.

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  21. JeffW (303 comments) says:

    hmmok

    I think it was my point too that National is not centre-right.

    Perhaps you might consider me to be a RWNJ, so to clarify – policy settings are taking us to bankruptcy. In the long run, this will hurt those reliant on government the most.
    Secondly, I do not think any person reflecting in an objective manner can claim that welfare is working; the evidence suggests the reverse is true. (This is not so say end government support; it is saying that we need to be radically different in our approach if we are to enhance the lives of those who get government support, and along with that a much more harmonious and safer society).

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  22. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    lprent should be happy to inform them there of how balanced and not-a-Nat-puppet Kiwiblog can be.

    Very dissimilar to your incessant public leg humping of Peter Dunne, a vapid moron and the worst political prostitute in New Zealand’s history?

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  23. hmmokrightitis (1,458 comments) says:

    Fair points JeffW; I think the statement that we are heading for bankruptcy is alarmist – our sovereign debt levels are comparatively low, and Mums and Dad’s are paying back debt at a clip not seen for many years. I think, outside of the greens and some idiots in labour, that our pollies understand we want fiscal restraint. God help us if the greens get near the levers of power and their idea for printing money comes to fruition, it will set us back a generation.

    I think the primary issue for me is the call for ‘radical’ change. The electorate doesnt want radical. It wants reasoned and mature, incremental change, not knee jerk ‘over here, quick, run this way’ change, and FWIW, I think thats a really good thing. Radical change is problematic, and over turned by successive gubbermints, hence why the electorate favours ‘middle of the road, steady as she goes’ governing – the costs, both in fiscal and societal terms of radical change are high, weve been there, done that.

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  24. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    JeffW 11:43 +1

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  25. Rex Widerstrom (5,124 comments) says:

    @nickb

    Calling Dunne a political prostitute is an insult to prostitutes. I’ve known a few in my time (no, not in that way) and they’ve all been forthright about their profession.

    Dunne, OTOH, would not only repudiate the title but believes himself to occupy a lofty, unsullied perch from which he is fit to criticise the behaviour of others in the Chamber.

    But by far and away his biggest sin is to have caused so many people to root for Charles Chauvel :-D

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  26. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    Tell that to the Greeks where the entitlement mentality has taken hold of the population and caused economic chaos.

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  27. Tom Jackson (2,225 comments) says:

    I think the primary issue for me is the call for ‘radical’ change. The electorate doesnt want radical. It wants reasoned and mature, incremental change, not knee jerk ‘over here, quick, run this way’ change, and FWIW, I think thats a really good thing.

    It’s now entirely reasonable to want “radical” change in a way that it wasn’t ten years ago, because the economic model we’ve been using is borked (apologies to the recently departed). This is the salient fact of our time, whether the electorate realise it or not. First party to find an effective response wins, and it doesn’t look like being National, or Labour for that matter.

    The elephant in the room is that someone is going to have to find a way to say “no” to the baby boomers. Until then, those greying losers will continue dragging everyone else down by voting themselves entitlements and taking up good jobs they’re too old for.

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  28. hmmokrightitis (1,458 comments) says:

    Jesus Rex, please…”root for Charles Chauvel” can I not read that whilst digesting lunch please????

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  29. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    nickb – tch tch. You seem to be the incessant one, you have a habit of picking up on any non-excuse to have yet another a wee rant totally divorced from what’s been said.

    You must be also due a long holiday. I suggest you try and forget (for a while at least) how annoyed you are at seeing Peter Dunne deservedly praised so much for being the most successful long serving MP in Parliament.

    He has been a part of the glue that has held our admirable MMP system together so well.

    And National are indebted to him for providing such reliable and trustworthy support this term, without him the Maori Party would not only have the Treaty, they’d also have the legislature by the balls – you may prefer Dunne wasn’t there to prevent that but most people appreciate the stability.

    Did you see DPF named Dunne as the runner up best small party MP? It’s a wonder you didn’t blow a fuse over that. Don’t worry, he’ll be back next year, still an MP, still a Minister, but mostly keeping out of the limelight and the spotlight.

    (I thought I might as well get a few digs in post your abuse, thanks for the prompting).

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  30. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Peter Dunne also split the atom, conquered Everest and gave votes to Women.

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  31. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    P.G., your loyalty is admirable…..and misplaced. :-)

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  32. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    Ah, and I should have mentioned that Dunne is a great Santa to many children of Ohariu. (Admittedly last year’s beard wasn’t flash)

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  33. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    Manolo, I’ll admit he is deficient in one way, he can’t satisfy the demands of looney lefties and ranty righties at the same time while immersed in boiling oil, but that’s not really the brief of a liberal centrist.

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  34. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Is that the same Peter Dunne who described his colleague Paul Adams as “middle of the road?”

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  35. thedavincimode (6,102 comments) says:

    Peter Dunne also split the atom, conquered Everest and gave votes to Women.

    … and only had to part his hair once.

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  36. mikenmild (8,720 comments) says:

    Peter Dunne should be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his single-handed maintenance of political stability in New Zealand. It would have been easy to have principles or set political view, but he bravely thrust conscience aside to occupy ministerial office irrespective of who might govern.

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  37. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Mike – have a look at this diagram :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ChristianPoliticsNZ.png

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  38. mikenmild (8,720 comments) says:

    Seen it before, Rodders, but it deserves a wider audience for intense chuckle-making.

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  39. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    :)

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  40. mikenmild (8,720 comments) says:

    Of course, when Peter Dunne writes his Pulitzer Prize winning autobiography he will need a much bigger diagram to show all the weirdo outfits associated with his cause over the decades.

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  41. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Mike – like the People’s Front of Judea?

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  42. mikenmild (8,720 comments) says:

    ‘Splitters!’

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  43. Tom Jackson (2,225 comments) says:

    Gene Simmons has bedded fewer women than Peter Dunne.

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  44. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    Good to see you have highlighted another of Dunne’s strengths, recognising and separating from conservoreligious nutters who try to use politics to promote their bible bashing agendas. Another strength, admitting that letting them in was a major mistake.

    And Colin Craig hasn’t learnt from that.

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  45. thedavincimode (6,102 comments) says:

    What about repeating all of Redbaiter’s posts from last year.

    It should only need one. You could just take the words: homo, queer, progressive, commie, leftist, scum, moron, knuckledragger, toss them into a bag and just tip them out print them as they fall. Oops, better add ‘gorilla’ to that line-up.

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  46. campit (438 comments) says:

    DPF, a phenomenal effort this year considering this isn’t your paying day job(!?). Hope you manage to take a decent break and all the best for the new year. Cheers, Cam.

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  47. Rex Widerstrom (5,124 comments) says:

    And let’s not forget that in his spare time he’s also bass player for the aptly named band The Contortionists who are described by Uncyclopedia as:

    …aspiring to the title of ‘World Religious Domination Force’. Unfortunately, with their manifold ineptitudes … [they] are spectacularly failing in their mission.

    So his music career mirrors his political one. You think I’m kaing this up? Read on…

    Adopting the stage name Zombie Jesus, Dunne is said to be:

    Notable For: His carefully quaffered Rod Hull style hairpiece and his valuation autism

    Furthermore, under “Achievement”, Uncyclopedia informs us that:

    To this very day, Dan is still widely recognised as a broken man and a c**t.

    Coincidence? You be the judge…

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  48. Scott (1,614 comments) says:

    I think economically some of what national has been doing is quite good. On the economic front they are mainly doing what they said they would do. However they are still raising taxes, last term it was GST, this term it is tax on petrol. And they are struggling to make any real entitlement reform. And they have done nothing about youth unemployment. We need youth rates to get the kids back to work.

    However on the social front I would suggest that national has betrayed its ethos as a Conservative party. Under this government and this Prime Minister Parliament is planning on bringing in gay adoption, gay marriage and euthanasia. None of these were in any party manifesto and quite frankly if John Key had said prior to the last election, these things are coming in and I will not be bringing them in myself but I will be voting for them, I think he would have done poorly at the last election. In fact I don’t think he would be Prime Minister today if he had told the electorate that he would allow these major social changes to come in under his watch.

    I believe also it is little understood how far reaching the Waitangi Tribunal has become, how expensive and how much they are giving away to Maori interests. It appears to be that they are close to giving away sovereignty to some parts of New Zealand. Under national the call for Maori sovereignty has grown. John Key is giving away our country to stay in bed with the Maori party. Again when he was elected the understanding he gave to the electorate was that National would move to settle claims full and finally by 2014. I would suggest they are further away from that goal than when they took office.

    So John Key is pandering to the rainbow wing of the Labour Party and the sovereignty wing of the Maori party so that he can continue to be a popular Prime Minister and get re-elected for a 3rd term. The cost of this is the betrayal of the Conservative ethos of the party which he represents.

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  49. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Peter Dunne should be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his single-handed maintenance of political stability in New Zealand. It would have been easy to have principles or set political view, but he bravely thrust conscience aside to occupy ministerial office irrespective of who might govern.

    Lol….

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  50. HB (266 comments) says:

    so what % of total post made is the above list?

    also have to agree with the comment made regarding what is ‘missing’ – how often you don’t comment on something or pump out posts to deflect

    in saying that I scan here (at minimum) most days ;)

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  51. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    also have to agree with the comment made regarding what is ‘missing’ – how often you don’t comment on something

    The old ‘if you don’t criticise absolutely everything (that I don’t like) then you’re a fraud’ line.

    There’s obviously a few Peter Dunne fans here, so a link to his Christmas message.
    (Warning, it’s not all Ho Ho Ho, there’s a bit of hmmm.)

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  52. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    It would have been easy to have principles or set political view, but he bravely thrust conscience aside to occupy ministerial office irrespective of who might govern.

    An inspired line on the whorish Dunne by comrade mike. Was it dictated from New York?

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  53. mikenmild (8,720 comments) says:

    While the UN does lots of good work, as you well know Manolo, Peter Dunne has a regrettably low international profile.

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  54. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    Peter Dunne has a regrettably low international profile.

    Quite the contrary. The whorish Dunne is a role model to African satraps and dictators on how to stay in power and lengthen the free ride at other people’s expense.

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  55. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    …to occupy ministerial office irrespective of who might govern.

    I makes me laugh when people criticise Dunne (or the Maori Party) for doing what they can to work with the Government of the day. What should they do, vanish to the back benches every second term so they are not seen to be siding with the Government?

    The more parties putting themselves forward for coalition agreements the better.

    There are valid things to question Dunne on but whinging at him for trying (very successfully) to be a part of Government is a very dumb diss.

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  56. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    It would have been easy to have principles or set political view, but he bravely thrust conscience aside…

    And I call bullshit on that too.

    I’ve queried Dunne a number of times on his position on parliamentary votes and apart from two conscience issues (where he voted in line with wider sentiment) he always referred to the coalition agreement or to party policy and principles.

    Can anyone give any examples to show that Dunne has acted against his coalition commitments or set party policies this year?

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