Tamihere back in Labour

December 2nd, 2012 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

Kathryn Powley at NZ Herald reports:

is back. And it seems nothing has changed. This time he’s calling one of National’s women MPs “fat”.

The former MP who in 2005 suffered a calamitous fall from grace has been allowed to become a member of the Party once more.

But he’s vowing not to tone down his opinions or toe the party line. As if to prove his point, in an interview over a beer in a Henderson restaurant yesterday, Tamihere says he intends to be as outspoken as ever.

Excellent.

So, in the immortal words of fellow Westie MP Paula Bennett, we ask whether his return to politics will force him to “zip it sweetie”.

Tamihere laughs a big belly laugh. “Not for that bloody fat girl up here, I’m going to tell you that right now.”

Back when Tamihere, 53, uttered the words “front bum” to journalist Ian Wishart, he claimed he didn’t realise there was a recorder on the table. Now, there is no such confusion. We are on the record, and he is calling Paula Bennett fat.

I suspect Tamihere will struggle to win nomination for Waitakere, but it will be an interesting contest if he does.

So can he get on with his fellow Labourites?

“Look, I don’t have to get on with these people. I’m joining the Labour Party. I’m not joining the ‘Women’s Party’, I’m not joining the ‘Union Party’, I’m not joining the ‘Gay Party’, I’m joining the Labour Party.

Hmmn, he may be in for a surprise!

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61 Responses to “Tamihere back in Labour”

  1. duggledog (1,556 comments) says:

    “Look, I don’t have to get on with these people”

    Yes you do John

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  2. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    ‘Look, I don’t have to get on with these people”

    And I thought Winston was committed to New Zealand First!!

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  3. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    Ian Wishart puts out a lot of stuff. Nearly all of it ignored by the so called mainstream media.
    Unless it suits them. This was one example of the “gatekeeper” role they constantly play.They let this one through,I’d say cos they knew it would destroy Tamihere’s political career ,which it did at the time.

    The MSM don’t like mainstream views or the truth,just their homo/equality ,warmist fantasy world occupied by chardonnay sippers and latte lickers,sniggering at our neanderthal opinions.

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  4. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ian Wishart definitely does appeal to those who subscribe to a whole range of conspiracy theories. like the proverbial stopped clock, he can be right on occasion. Trapping Tamihere made a good story; most of his other stuff is pure fantasy.

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  5. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    Stand by for the outrage from Sue Moroney and Trevor Mallard, who should be “extremely offended” as he was in the House on Thursday.

    The New Zealand Labour Party; exhibiting double standards since – like, forever

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2012/12/stand-by-for-outrage.html

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  6. Griff (7,699 comments) says:

    Kowtow

    The MSM don’t like mainstream views or the truth,just their homo/equality ,warmist fantasy world

    :lol: Comedy gold coming from a f undie

    Labour misses the target audience
    Tamihere; Says shit that resonates with the working class.
    The blue collar working class is no longer a big enough demographic to sweep a party to power.

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  7. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    The Labour Party might nominate him for an unwinnable seat but that’s as far as he’ll go. He doesn’t respect himself let alone other party members. Before he thinks about a return to Parliament, he needs to look in the mirror.

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  8. Alan Johnstone (1,087 comments) says:

    Like or loathe JT, he represents a school of thought shared by a large number of people.

    These people used to vote Labour, they don’t do so much these days.

    You can bet there are massive numbers of membership applications being filled out in the west today as JT and CS race to stack the local branches with supporters.

    If Labour is smart (yeah, I know..) whoever loses this race should be given a high list position.

    Regardless of the drink driving or the cats, I think he would make a great minister of social development.

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  9. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    gruff,touch a nerve there with “warmist” did I?or was it the homo?

    Don’t worry matey,the next ice age is only a thousand or so years away.

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  10. Griff (7,699 comments) says:

    That is after the rapture kowtow so at least the fundies will be gone :grin:

    Homos and equity seem to be part of the establishment as is agw

    supported by national and labour

    Will you be voting for Colen Craigs Conservo Party along with the rest of the conservonutters?

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  11. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    The left of Labour seem far from impressed with Tamihere’s return. More responses:

    “Tamihere, who was a failed Minister and poor electorate performer, is lined up for a seat selection despite a string of financial and political sins.”

    “I intend to write to the council stating that though I have no particular objection to his being a member of the party, I would strongly oppose his being allowed to stand for Labour. Surely even a cursory reading of the foundational principles of the party, compared with Tamihere’s stated views, and past behaviour would rule him out as a representative.”

    “Tamihere is a 47% man like Mitt Romney. He dismisses women, gays and unonists in the Labour Party and still thinks he can win.”

    “Tamihere is a dinosaur. Also for all his talk he’s very thin skinned. He can dish it but can’t take it. He just got personal with that vile ‘fat’ comment.”

    “Labour “show ponies”? It seems to me like Labour prefers to pick lames for race day.”

    “This may well be the final nail in the coffin for my Labour membership. Who thought this was a good idea? Did they allow Tamihere back in as a show of how broadminded they are? To have him pissing from inside the tent? Look at the very first thing he’s done – he’s fired off a bunch of shots at his own members.

    “Simply put, Shearer is shoring up his risk with Jones by bringing back Tamihere. He thinks if he’s got to have a Maori, it had better be a bloke and either will do. Can anyone point to any evidence since Shearer became leader that he supports women or any other minority that JT feels entitled to publicly abuse?”

    “In fact we should ask every female member of Labour’s caucus what they think of Tamihere back on the path to selection as well.”

    This is not going to help the divisions in Labour, especially in Auckland where the “return to the roots/left” activism is strongest.

    And yesterdays responses here.

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  12. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    bluff,will you be voting Green,along with all the environutters, seeing how they’ll stop the seas from rising?

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  13. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Looks like men reclaiming the high ground. Not before time.
    National could do with a few as well. Watching Collins on Q+A didn’t leave me with any good impression of her foresight into the future. Just more of control control control.

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  14. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    Watching Collins on Q+A didn’t leave me with any good impression of her foresight into the future.

    I thought Collins looked the best of them, she was prepared to explore ideas and ask questions compared others just reciting their own.

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  15. ChardonnayGuy (1,206 comments) says:

    Whether he actually gets selected for a seat is another matter altogether.

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  16. tvb (4,421 comments) says:

    Tamahere has had a few brushes with the law. IF he has any conviction of an offence of two or more years imprisonment he may be disqualified from being a member of parliament. That would include a drink driving offence with multiple prior convictions. I assume this issue will be well settled before he puts himself forward as a candidate.

    [DPF: Previous offences have no bearing on ability to be an MP. It is only if convicted while an MP]

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  17. Jimmy Smits (246 comments) says:

    Kowtow – are you seriously suggesting that believing a meat-headed God up in the sky who sends gay people to Hell is any less ridiculous than global warming theories? Because I can tell you right now, as little evidence as there may be for global warming or conflicting opinion, the belief in a God and talking snakes is about one million times more ridiculous and you should feel ashamed of yourself for being a dumb enough ass for believing in it. How old are you for Christ’s sake? Do you honestly see any of the following as reasonable as opposed to say, absolutely retarded:

    There is a story where the Israelites are instructed to cover up their feces outside their encampment, because Almighty God was inclined to stroll around at night, and he didn’t want to step in any poo. This is really funny…

    Moses was going to walk through a mountain pass with God, and God thought Moses might see His face, so he covered Moses’ eyes with His Holy Hand as He passed, but it was okay that Moses saw His Holy Backside. Now that’s really dumb.

    The story about Jesus cursing a fig tree for not producing figs when he was hungry is really stupid. First of all, if Jesus can cure the dead, he can cure his own hunger. Second, if he wanted figs on the damn fig tree, he could have made them (he made the fishes and loaves, remember?). Thirdly, why curse a fig tree?? What good did that do? It whithered up (the Gospels disagree as to when, however). Why not just kick it, or pull it out of the ground… or, why not just realize that it’s not fig season?? What a dumbass!

    The bible mentions unicorns, satyrs (men with goat legs), cockatrices (rooster-serpents that kill when looked upon) and a race of Giants (they survived the Great Flood, because they appear both before and after it. I guess Noah made room for them on the Ark). The bible talks about these mythical creatures not in the mythical sense, but in the real sense, mentioning them right alongside real animals. That’s really childish.

    The story of the Tower of Babel is really stupid. To think that men would really, honestly try to build a tower to reach heaven… well that is clearly mythology to start with. And then to think that God would be so concerned about it as to mess up their languages is just too strange. It’s a pathetic attempt to explain the origin of languages by the primitive and the ignorant.

    After God creates Adam, they look amongst all the animals to find a suitable mate for Adam, but they are unsuccessful. I can just imagine that scene. That’s too stupid for words.

    The devil trying to get God to worship him by bribing him with the earth has got to be one of my alltime favorite stupid stories of the bible. That so dumb it gets its own article.

    The Second Book of Chronicles, chapter 13 verse 17, contains the incredible statement that 500,000 Israelites were slain in a single battle. This is simplly unbelieveable. This is more than were lost in any single battle of World War II, and even exceeds the number of deaths that resulted from the dropping of the atomic bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The greatest single battle of the Civil War was at Gettysburg, and the defeated army had 28,000 casualties (that includes both the wounded and the dead). Both sides together had approximately 51,000 wounded or dead. The actual number of those killed in action during the entire Civil War (1861-1865) was 110,100 for the Union and 94,000 for the Confederacy. Now, who can believe that 500,000 Israelites were slain in a single battle?

    Mark 16
    1When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body. 2Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb 3and they asked each other, “Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?” Okay girls… really dumb. Do you really expect us to believe that they went there without thinking about who would move the boulder?

    Jesus driving pigs into the sea, after infecting them with “demons”… really, really dumb. How could these devils be killed this way? Why would such a dramatic production be necessary?

    The whole story of Noah and his Flood is just too stupid and childish to take seriously, even when I was a Christian.

    JG 19:22-29 A group of sexual depraved men beat on the door of an old man’s house demanding that he turn over to them a male house guest. Instead, the old man offers his virgin daughter and his guest’s concubine (or wife): “Behold, here are my virgin daughter and his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish them and do with them what seems good to you; but against this man do not do so vile a thing.” The man’s concubine is ravished and dies. The man then cuts her body into twelve pieces and sends one piece to each of the twelve tribes of Israel.

    SA 18:27 So that David might be allowed to marry the king’s daughter, the king asks David to bring him 100 Philistine foreskins. David, the over-achiever, brings the king not 100, but 200, foreskins of murdered Philistines.

    KI 18:27, IS 36:12 (KJV) “… eat their own dung and drink their own piss.”
    Yuck!

    SO 2:3 “I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.”
    I think I saw that one once– it was “Deep Throat”.

    SO 5:4 (KJV) “My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him.”
    Whoa, nelly. I don’t even want to know…

    SO 7:7-9 “You are stately as a palm tree, and your breasts are like its clusters. I say I will climb the palm tree and lay hold of its branches. Oh may your breasts be like clusters of the vine ….”
    Does anyone have a kleenex?

    EZ 4:15 (KJV) “… I have given thee cows dung for mans dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.”
    Those who admire Ezekiel should be compelled to dine with him…

    EZ 23:20-21 (NIV) There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled.

    EX 17:14 God says that he will utterly blot out the remembrance of Amalek.
    DT 25:19 “… you shall blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven; you must not forget.”
    (That remembrance is now permanently preserved in the Bible.)

    1KI 6:2, 2CH 3:3 Solomon’s temple was only about ninety feet long by thirty feet wide, yet: 153,300 persons were employed to build it (1KI 5:15-16), it took seven years to build (1KI 6:38), about 7,500,000 lbs. of gold and about 75,000,000 lbs. of silver were used (1CH 22:14). 24,000 supervisors (1CH 23:4) and 6,000 officials and judges were employed to manage it.
    (Note: Inasmuch as there seems to be uncertainty as to the exact weight of the biblical talent, some estimates place the weight of gold at more than 13,000,000 lbs. and the weight of silver at more than 116,000,000 lbs.).
    This is just crap, thrown in there so that the followers of Solomon could brag about how wealthy they were.

    The early Christian Church practiced a form of communism. People joining the Church were required to give all of their possessions to Church leaders. If they failed to do this, and kept some back for themselves, they would be murdered. This is documented in Acts of the Apostles.

    A war in Heaven where neither side could be injured or killed… that’s dumb.

    The Garden of Eden must still be on earth, guarded by angels with fiery swords. And the serpent must still be crawling around on the ground eating dust.

    I mean, I realise you must already be at that age where it’s too late for you to admit that you were wrong, but how shitty it must feel to know that you’ve wasted your whole life believing vehemently in fairy tales.

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  18. Mary Rose (393 comments) says:

    Jimmy, in one sentence: what has any of that got to do with the subject of this thread?

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  19. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    in the first paragraph of jimmy smut’s fundamentalist atheist brainfart he asks and I quote “how old are you for Christ’s sake”?

    bwahahahahaha,for Christ’s sake,bwahahahaha.

    He may be an atheist but culturally he’s a Christian, like most westerners,bwahahahahaha

    Hey jimmy covering your poo is a great idea,it’s called sanitation. Try it someday.

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  20. backster (2,171 comments) says:

    Does this mean he is now ideologically opposed to Charter Schools.

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  21. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    backster – it doesn’t sound like Tamihere is changing his views on anything, so it means the ideological tensions in Labour will get another tweak.

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  22. ChardonnayGuy (1,206 comments) says:

    What ideological tensions, Pete? Mainstream Labour is a pluralist centre-left party, just as National is a pluralist centre-right party. In the age of proportional representation, both major parties have had to select various social constituencies as elements of their demographic voter base. Tamihere may have been allowed back into the party, but will he be selected for a constituency seat? And if so, then will he be selected as a Cabinet minister once more?

    To put it bluntly, the latter will only happen if he shuts up and recognises that party discipline, parliamentary whips and collective responsibility all exist for a reason. Thus far, he has shown little sign of doing so.

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  23. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    The Rainbow faction of the Labour Party must be fuming. Fights to come.

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  24. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    I guess Q and A this morning put an end to Collin’s hopes of leading the Tory Party.

    With Collins and Parata gone, that leaves Joyce. Not bad if you’re a traditional Neolib.

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  25. Jimmy Smits (246 comments) says:

    kowtow (3,280) Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 11:53 am

    in the first paragraph of jimmy smut’s fundamentalist atheist brainfart he asks and I quote “how old are you for Christ’s sake”?

    bwahahahahaha,for Christ’s sake,bwahahahaha.

    He may be an atheist but culturally he’s a Christian, like most westerners,bwahahahahaha

    Hey jimmy covering your poo is a great idea,it’s called sanitation. Try it someday.

    You obviously missed that I was intentionally blaspheming… You know, using Christ’s name in vain… I don’t expect you to catch on given you’re too dumb to realise the shit that covers the walls and ceilings of the shitty Church you attend every Sunday to listen to your fairy tale garbage. I’d rather be a cultural Christian who was raised Christian and moved on than one who still foolishly takes it seriously and wastes their lives believing in it.

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  26. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Pete George (15,419) Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Watching Collins on Q+A didn’t leave me with any good impression of her foresight into the future.

    I thought Collins looked the best of them, she was prepared to explore ideas and ask questions compared others just reciting their own.
    ———————————
    Really, go watch it again. No wonder you read the stranded. Go learn about body language.

    Listening to others is always good but collins simply tried to drown out especially the last couple of speakers except for a 4 year term. All agreed but will she do it. Hell will freeze first.

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  27. Reid (16,453 comments) says:

    On Stuff when he said: he’s joining the Labour Party, not the Women’s Party, not the Gay Party, not the Union Party; he makes a very good point. Labour do have to engage with the constituency he represents. Their failure to do so is why they’re tanking in the polls, especially against the Gweens.

    …most of his [Wishart's] … stuff is pure fantasy.

    mm it occurs to me that while most lefties are extremely ready to believe any old thing which spews out of Hagar’s mouth, when someone uses very similar techniques as Hagar does against someone like say Hulun rather than against something like say the GCSB, most lefties won’t have a bar of it. Seems rather inconsistent to me.

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  28. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    I was wondering how long it would take smuts to come up with the old “I did that deliberately” lame arse excuse.

    Won’t be doing Christmas then?

    And for someone who claims not to take it seriously ,he seems obsessed with reading the Old Testament and providing soooooo much detail.

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  29. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    backster said

    Does this mean he is now ideologically opposed to Charter Schools.

    No; earlier in the year, JT was quoted thus:

    Waipareira Trust chief executive John Tamihere wants the charter school pilot expanded to West Auckland – where he says schools are failing children.

    Act’s confidence and supply agreement sets out the schools will be set up in areas where educational underachievement is most entrenched.

    South Auckland and Christchurch are the first two regions where the Government says that iwi, private, community groups and existing educational providers will compete to operate a local school or start a new one.

    Waipareira is in discussions with Remuera’s Mt Hobson Middle School to establish a charter school for pupils in years 7 to 10.

    Mr Tamihere said Ministry of Education figures which revealed that 30 per cent of students leave the region to attend other schools is indicative of parents’ dissatisfaction with educational results in the area.

    “We’ve got a low track record of excellence. All we’re looking at doing is bringing the best practice from Remuera to the west.”

    Education Minister Hekia Parata would be approached for support once details were worked out between the trust and school, Mr Tamihere said.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10788507

    I somehow have the feeling that JT’s flirtation with the Labour Party will be brief, and messy.

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  30. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    To put it bluntly, the latter will only happen if he shuts up and recognises that party discipline, parliamentary whips and collective responsibility all exist for a reason.

    Like Jones? Mallard? Hipkins? Cunliffe?

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  31. Jimmy Smits (246 comments) says:

    kowtow (3,281) Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    I was wondering how long it would take smuts to come up with the old “I did that deliberately” lame arse excuse.

    Won’t be doing Christmas then?

    And for someone who claims not to take it seriously ,he seems obsessed with reading the Old Testament and providing soooooo much detail.

    Raised Christian for 17 years of my life, do you really think I wouldn’t know what “for Christ’s sake” means? And secondly, no, I do not celebrate Christmas, I don’t see why you should either given it is a pagan holiday which the Church stole, thirdly, hardly obsessed, brainwashed by it by parents, youth group leaders and pastors and other Church elders like you as a child.

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  32. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    Party membership is an easy option for Labour, but Candidate selection with the new rules – not a snowball’s chance in hell.

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  33. Griff (7,699 comments) says:

    Looks like Tamihere Will Generate interest in labour.
    Any press is good press.
    Some of what he says is going to wind the rainbows like atheists on KB wind the conservos :lol:

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  34. Reid (16,453 comments) says:

    I do not celebrate Christmas, I don’t see why you should either given it is a pagan holiday which the Church stole

    Rarely do you and I agree Jimmy but on this we do. It is a pagan holiday. Everything about it is pagan, from the holly to the Christmas Tree. I wish we didn’t celebrate it either, but if we didn’t have something like this once every year since forever, humanity would be the less for it, I think.

    But since it is pagan I wish the Church didn’t support it, but then again, I wish the Church didn’t say “Amen” either, personally I use “So Be It” when ending prayer, so perhaps it’s me whose just not normal.

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  35. Reid (16,453 comments) says:

    I think when JT get’s back into caucus which he’ll do when he wins Waitakere next election he’ll single-handedly lift Liarbore’s polls by quite a few points.

    His media skills he’s picked up during the “wilderness years” will stand him in better stead than any other member of the caucus when it comes to knowing how to package the message and sell it and his acerbic side will be highly damaging to whoever his opposition portfolio counter-part is. Who knows, it may even be Bennett.

    He’s probably already got the electorate committee sussed out if not yet sewn up and there’s no doubt in my mind he’ll get nominated. And Bennett had no chance against him. Not in his home turf.

    And who knows. If Key gets a third term which he may, he could even be the first Maori PM since by 2017 Shearer will have long gone, Cunliffe would have probably self-destructed or been voted out because there is no doubt that Tamihere has more voter appeal than Cunliffe. His main opposition is Little with the Sisterhood/LGBT/Union bloc. And his only chance there is the union bloc and they won’t ever go against Little, not in a million years. But who knows. Once Tamihere brings back the blue collar bloke which he will, which will reduce the Gweens and increase Labour at the same time, the unions may be bought under pressure by their own membership to vote Tamihere.

    Wouldn’t that be great. It could be a chance to smash the hated Sisterhood to smithereens and deny Hulun the chance to vest it to the second generation: Jacinda, the “daughter she never had.” Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

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  36. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    jimmy smuts

    You really are a sad victim of your own circumstances. Pity you can’t sue God. You should ,like Tamahere,join the Labour party,another bunch of life’s sad losers,blaming the big bad world for all that inequality and unfairness……

    boohooohoo,sob sob sob.Compensation,unfair ,bla, bla.

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  37. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Jimmy Smits ………….

    you are one mixed up dude…………..

    I suggest that you either start taking your pills again- or go and get some……………..
    And for the sake of the rest of mankind – pills with something fatal in them………

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  38. RF (1,397 comments) says:

    At least JT has put some life in the posts on the Standard. He is the wedge between Silent T and the Shorn one. I can hear the tar pots heating up. Bring your own feathers.

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  39. Nostalgia-NZ (5,202 comments) says:

    This will be a further test for David Shearer. In everything that JT hassaid since regaining party membership one thing sticks out – he mentioned that Government must get involved in housing once again, the same platform with which Cunnliffe was seen off. Incidentally, Cunnliffe, despite the frantic opinions of bhudson and others, and with a week passing has a long way back now. It will still be sinking into the party that Shearer chose an issue (housing) that will resonant with the public, something I’d suggest they haven’t managed for years. Lights will switch on and I think the tide will continue to turn in their favour.
    I’d suspect that JT has revenge on his mind and reads that the electorate is bewildered by the ‘rainbow’ priorities of both Labour and the Nats, realises that there will be mutterings around the electorate of the old joke that British immigrants came here to avoid the situation that being gay was to be made compulsory in the old country. Whatever the case, he’s a youthful veteran who as one above says, is thin skinned despite his ‘blokey manner.’ His work however in the west is very respected whilst on the other hand Paula Bennett probably a lot less so.
    If he were on the outer he has been smart enough to see that ‘affordable’ housing has broad appeal which John Armstrong also wrote about in yesterday’s herald. While nobody is probably going to ask him to look after their cats he could prove to be very strong on issues that are mainstream, uncomplicated, black and white and not pounding the public with more dilemma’s about the comparative values of Mr Mom as opposed to traditional family scenarios.
    On that point consider the pathways of Robertson and Finlayson compared to Louisa Wall. Her ambitions seem to be personal yet she is from part of Auckland where there are poverty and children at risk issues. I suggest that the electorate is still fixed on the poverty gap as it was before the last election, treaty issues and so on, that’s where the public interest lies not in whether Louisa Wall gets to marry her girlfriend. As to questions of ‘revenge’ I’d assume Shearer has noted her position against him last weekend.
    Anyway, interesting times with real characters (as JT is) in politics, rather than cardboard cut outs with their own agendas and not committed to representing the broad base of the community.

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  40. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Cunnliffe, despite the frantic opinions of bhudson and others, and with a week passing has a long way back now.

    Sure has. What is it? About 12 weeks? That wait will seem nigh on interminable to him. Still, he’s got plenty of time to shore up the 12 others he needs.

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  41. Reid (16,453 comments) says:

    ‘affordable’ housing has broad appeal

    Just like interest-free student loans has broad appeal Nostalgia. This doesn’t make either of them a good idea though. That’s the point some miss in things like this which is a pity because it’s a really important one. I mean anyone can promise sunshine and lollipops. That’s not hard at all.

    What Hulun did with student loans is she took a non-problem as in, no-one was significantly rending their clothes about it, and used it to bribe not just young people who are mostly left but a significant proportion of their grandparents as well, and this used everyone’s money to benefit a few to solve a non-problem specifically in order to get Hulun re-elected for it was specifically aimed at those demographics: i.e. two narrow interest-groups. I suspect one of the reasons she left it so late was not just to surprise National but because Cullen was frightened about what Treasury would say to him when he had to explain it them, after the election and he really wanted to avoid doing that if at all possible. I would like to see the minutes of that meeting, one day.

    And because Shearer is a bumbler, he’s launched the housing initiative two years early, but it’s a similar thing. Everyone’s money to benefit a few the overwhelming majority of whom are poor. Either young and poor as we all are then, or older and poor, both of which surprise surprise, constitutes Liarbore’s prime demographic indicators.

    I mean what a coincidence. Crikey.

    Shearer’s main mistake is by launching this now, he gives National the opportunity to cost it precisely and to rip it to shreds piece by piece over two years, until come election time, it’s a tattered, discredited rag. It’s a shame the only ones in the Sisterhood who had any brains have all left isn’t it. They’d probably have told Shearer to hold off a bit otherwise. You’da thunk Goff and King and Mallard would have chipped in as well, since they all would have known. But they didn’t, obviously. Or perhaps they did and Shearer decided notwithstanding, this is the ticket to recover the Gween-Liabore “churn” and he must therefore, launch immediately!

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  42. Nostalgia-NZ (5,202 comments) says:

    I’d suggest rather than being the yoke around Shearer’s neck bhudson, the 12 weeks works in his favour. Whereas for Cunnliffe is noted as having lost twice already. I know which position I think is stronger.

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  43. you reap what you sow (35 comments) says:

    With insulting comments like that from Tamahere he will only appeal to those with the mindset of a 4th form schoolboy.

    Considering that Labour is suppose to be the more compasionate and caring; and that at leat 50% of the population are female and probably at least half wish they had a few pounds less. Politically its not too bright to isolate them through abuse.

    Add to that the dismissive comments about other minorities he will be a real bonus for the Greens.

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  44. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    NN-Z,

    The only person who truly thinks Shearer won the recent vote is Trevor Mallard. He showed how good his strategies are last year.

    Of course, the longer Shearer hangs around the better.

    It really is a win-win

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  45. Jimmy Smits (246 comments) says:

    kowtow (3,285) Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    jimmy smuts

    You really are a sad victim of your own circumstances. Pity you can’t sue God. You should ,like Tamahere,join the Labour party,another bunch of life’s sad losers,blaming the big bad world for all that inequality and unfairness……

    boohooohoo,sob sob sob.Compensation,unfair ,bla, bla.

    Yes, very ironic you say I cannot sue God, given God doesn’t exist. You are the one I feel sorry for, because you started this thread arguing that people that believe in global warming and conveniently somehow managed to throw homosexuality into the mix were delusional, whereas you are the one who believes in the biggest delusion. I do not feel like my life is unfair at all, it’s people like you who get their panties in a twist over the ‘evils’ that are happening in the world today, such as gay marriage. It brings me great pleasure to see your faces twitch in anger and rage over such insignificant things that are supposedly going to bring about the rapture and the end of the world before global warming.

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  46. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    I’m glad smutty managed to get back on topic……queers ,front bums, daft social policies like so called marriage equality.

    Is he a Labour rainbow warrior?

    Knickers in a twist at Tamahere’s membership?

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  47. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    Irish Bill gives his take on the JT return: http://thestandard.org.nz/jt-eh/

    First of all let’s dispense with the f*cking ridiculous notion that Tamihere speaks to the working class. Remember this is an aging, privileged man with a chip on his shoulder. When he was young he could get away with his bigoted claptrap because of his “boyish charm”. Now he’s just another has-been bore who believed his own publicity, didn’t live up to his potential, and blames it on teh gayz and the unions.

    That said, Tamihere’s only just a member and Labour is a broad church. Hell, it now accommodates me and him.

    A broad church indeed, at odds with different gods. There may need to be plenty of broad shoulders too (there hasn’t been much sign of that).

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  48. Jimmy Smits (246 comments) says:

    kowtow (3,287) Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    I’m glad smutty managed to get back on topic……queers ,front bums, daft social policies like so called marriage equality.

    Is he a Labour rainbow warrior?

    Knickers in a twist at Tamahere’s membership?

    FYI I am an ACT member, and you seem to have missed the point that the issues you raised in this thread, such as global warming, take far less stupidity to believe in than believing in Christianity, which is what you believe in. You are the original detractor of this thread by bringing in homosexuality and global warming. Obviously, given that you are unable to address any of the points made in this thread that point out how much more stupid it is that you are a Christian and try to detract by making minor snipes rather than defend your religion on a grounded basis shows that subconsciously you realise how retarded your beliefs are and that you have a major plank in your eye when you attack those who support homosexual rights and concern for the environment (however flawed those beliefs may be).

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  49. Steve (North Shore) (4,561 comments) says:

    JT is a good man in the wrong Party, but for a Govt to be Governing it needs an effective opposition. At the moment there is no opposition, just a bunch of screaming rainbows/unionists/cork soakers who are so selfish and trying to save their own arse on the Labour List.
    Fucking wake up Liarbore, JT is in town

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  50. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    smutts I was talking about “gatekeepers”. You brought in religion,not me . You are clearly obsessed and delusional,not to mention angry and resentful.
    Wacko Acto guy.

    Who ya gonna vote for next election seeing as your only member is a Christian,who must, by your accounting be nuts,Why vote for an MP who’s nuts?

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  51. Nostalgia-NZ (5,202 comments) says:

    ‘Shearer’s main mistake is by launching this now, he gives National the opportunity to cost it precisely and to rip it to shreds piece by piece over two years, until come election time, it’s a tattered, discredited rag. It’s a shame the only ones in the Sisterhood who had any brains have all left isn’t it. They’d probably have told Shearer to hold off a bit otherwise. You’da thunk Goff and King and Mallard would have chipped in as well, since they all would have known. But they didn’t, obviously. Or perhaps they did and Shearer decided notwithstanding, this is the ticket to recover the Gween-Liabore “churn” and he must therefore, launch immediately!’

    I think that you might be reading that bumbler bit wrong Reid. For some it will make him more human and therefore less slick and less trustworthy. Those with English as a second language are unlikely to be fazed at all. If the ‘housing’ momentum is likely to run about before the next election then so might the cliche’s about Shearer’s speaking. That doesn’t put aside that he will no doubt improve.

    It’s naive to expect that Labour don’t have their ducks in a row over this policy so I don’t think launching it now is a mistake. It’s helped establish his leadership and I think it will create direction within Labour where for so long there seems to have been none which widely resonated with the public. Further to that, Key in particular has looked to pull it apart, which might prove to have been premature. Now JK rejects what the public probably want in droves, causing him to have lost the opportunity to later possibly say the expected – that the Nats will do it better. JK has looked nervous on this, the late changes to Hobsonville and so on.

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  52. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    ChardonnayGuy suggests:

    To put it bluntly, the latter will only happen if he shuts up and recognises that party discipline, parliamentary whips and collective responsibility all exist for a reason. Thus far, he has shown little sign of doing so.

    You mean to force an elected representative (that’s what Parliament is a House of, after all) to subsume his duty to act as agent for his electors and instead blindly follow the dictates of the leadership / party power brokers in the hope of preferment?

    Collective responsibility has some validity when someone is elevated to Cabinet – you can’t have actual law being undermined and criticised by those who’re seen to have taken the decision to create it. (Which is one of the reasons why I think it’s worth exploring decoupling the job of MP from that of Minister, and appointing at least some of a Cabinet based on their expertise in particular fields, but that’s a different topic).

    But to suggest the job of an MP is to fall blindly into line behind the Whips (who in turn are chosen on the basis of blind faith in the leader, as Hipkins amply demonstrated) is to continue the perversion of representative democracy which we’ve come to accept as normal.

    If anyone votes for John Tamihere it won’t be because they want him to do what Chris Hipkins tells him to do; you can be sure of that. So if enough of those people support Tamihere for him to get elected, then his first duty to them is to act according to his conscience and their wishes.

    Otherwise an election is merely a charade in which we provide party power brokers with mindless lobby fodder who’ll betray the interests of those they’re charged to represent if it means they gain some personal advancement. Oh, wait…

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  53. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Rex, the problem is to identify what portfolio John Tamihere could take on and be loyal to Labour policy. If that does not exist, then as an MP he would be an independent voice often in opposition to a Labour led government.

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  54. Jimmy Smits (246 comments) says:

    kowtow (3,289) Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    smutts I was talking about “gatekeepers”. You brought in religion,not me . You are clearly obsessed and delusional,not to mention angry and resentful.
    Wacko Acto guy.

    Who ya gonna vote for next election seeing as your only member is a Christian,who must, by your accounting be nuts,Why vote for an MP who’s nuts?

    You may be interested to learn that he obviously isn’t a Christian like you given that he now supports gay rights and would vote for gay marriage. A man who knows when to let go of retarded beliefs, unlike you.

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  55. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    @SPC

    That depends I suppose on what Labour’s policy will end up being, especially on topics of particular interest to Tamihere such as housing. But he doesn’t have to accept a role in Cabinet, assuming one was offered. There is a role for him – and people like him – in Parliament, espousing the views of blue-collar social conservatives which Labour has, for the most part, chosen to jettison. Those are the people who left Labour in droves briefly in 1995/96 to back New Zealand First, and saw Labour consigned to a distant third in the polls.

    So they’re a sizeable bloc and since they’re not overtly religious, they’re not attracted to Colin Craig or any of his predecessor parties. And in any case history has shown them that such parties invariably cluster around National and not Labour.

    Most now remain with Labour out of a sense of tradition, an ingrained distrust of parties of the right, and a lack of viable alternatives. However they’re also not impressed by talk of “front bums” and the like, so if he’s to build support amongst that group Tamihere will need either greater self-control than he’s shown to date, or a team around him who can keep him in check. If he’s careful, and lucky, he could build quite a following within Labour – which is precisely why the progressive activitists respond with such vitriol, as Pete George has highlighted above.

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  56. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    Related to the Tamihere comeback:

    Phil Twyford deliberately supported John Tamihere for that reason: to shaft Carmel and to piss off the Liberals.

    Phil is a bit sore that Carmel was selected over him to replace Lynn Pillay when she retired. Phil was bumped in Auckland Central and Mt Albert before the Waitakere vacancy. He finally got Te Atatu when Carter threw a paddy over Goff’s loosing ways.

    Phil was understandable frustrated that it took so long to get a seat: he had done solid ground work. Perhaps the experience has left some scars. He needs to build a bridge and get over it. Unfortunately I suspect he does not have that trait in his make-up: a fatal flaw in a politician.

    It is a pity that Phil is now alienating all the other West Auckland members. He is betting heavily that attaching himself to Shearer/Robertson will pay a better dividend than attaching himself to the values and wishes of the members.

    Phil is very exposed. Very exposed.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/jt-eh/comment-page-1/#comment-557641

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  57. Nostalgia-NZ (5,202 comments) says:

    2 quotes from the vanquished Pete George. How comforting for them as they their lick wounds subdued by reality.

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  58. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    Retarded beliefs and a literal interpretation of Genesis? I’d say both you and he are confused.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10828170

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  59. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Rex, if he was to be true to himself he would be forming a new party, with others also looking to position themselves for the post Winston era. Doing this instead speaks more to an agenda to be in the next Labour government now. That means being a one man coalition partner within the party vote number caucus. But surely Labour would know what will happen as soon as their next government era concluded (or even before) – he would be part of a new party.

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  60. Jimmy Smits (246 comments) says:

    kowtow (3,293) Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Retarded beliefs and a literal interpretation of Genesis? I’d say both you and he are confused.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10828170

    What an idiot. Just as idiotic as people who believe in a sky fairy.

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  61. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Man, i’ve met ex navy seals who were let down by the system, once you start arguing with them they will incorporate what ever logic you use in your arguments to attack the system. Assimilation Captain.

    When an atheist and a Christian argue, the argument system is the same, Zoom out and you see both the holier than thou atittude of both parties involved.

    It’s like the Multiverse system that is being pushed out there, it’s based on Comp models of the CMBR. Just one thing and only one thing or string theory that still has no evidence to suggest it is a viable candidate.

    Many already believe we’ve gone past the tip of the spear with global warming and regardless of our tech in prediction models most of them don’t come close, One has to know where and what every particle in existence is doing in relation to each other before one can accurately state a general outcome on any given event.

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