Tamihere v Tova

December 4th, 2012 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

3 News reports:

Former Cabinet minister-turned RadioLIVE host has taken a swipe at the media’s coverage of his return to the Labour Party, calling one 3 News journalist a “stupid little girl”.

Mr Tamihere’s reapplication to be a member of Labour was approved at the weekend, opening the door for him to vie for a place as a candidate in the 2014 election. …

Ms O’Brien asked him this morning if he was sexist, a misogynist or a homophobe, and he took to the radio waves to voice his anger. 

“Tova, go jump in the lake you stupid little girl,” he said.

“I’ve had a gut’s full of idiots like you trying to position people like me.

“Pimply little girls in a newsroom trying to position you for being cut up on a little news bite. Tova O’Brien, where the hell do you come from?”

John must be taking lessons from Winston Peters on how to respond to media inquiries.

Generally speaking if a woman reporter asks you if you are sexist, it isn’t a convincing response to call her a pimply little girl (incidentally not at all an accurate description of Tova).

Likewise responding to a question on homophobia by questioning the “preferences” of the reporter is also incredibly dumb (and offensive).

John has some admirable strengths, but this show his less than admirable weaknesses. And I’d say his already low chances of getting a winnable list ranking or seat have plummeted.

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72 Responses to “Tamihere v Tova”

  1. ChardonnayGuy (1,024 comments) says:

    To paraphrase the creature in question, It’s the Labour Party, Not the Male Menopausal Populist Show Pony Party…

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  2. smttc (638 comments) says:

    Never used to be able to stand the guy. But I am starting to warm to him.

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  3. ChardonnayGuy (1,024 comments) says:

    Never could stand the arrogant populist loose cannon and he’s getting worse as advanced male menopause kicks in.

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  4. eszett (2,272 comments) says:

    And so it begins……

    I guess this is why you were so pleased when Labour did in fact take back Tamihere.
    As someone somewhere put in so aptly, being inclusive is one thing, embracing a suicide bomber is something totally different.

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  5. ChardonnayGuy (1,024 comments) says:

    Why do I get the feeling that Labour is going to regret this bigtime? And it will. Has the man never heard of the words party discipline and collective responsibility, or does he think it doesn’t apply to his Chief Executiveness?

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  6. Don the Kiwi (1,341 comments) says:

    Perhaps a little OTT for a response to the question, but what an idiotic question. Its about time more of the poseurs of news media interviewers got put in their place.
    Good on John – he has never been known to be a PC shrinking violet, and its a pity more people didn’t respond with ridicule to such ridiculous questions.

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  7. kowtow (6,733 comments) says:

    Good on him.

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  8. Mark1 (78 comments) says:

    It seems that he definitely has a problem with women. Not a particularly positive trait to have as it gives an indication of what he may be like behind closed doors. If he broadcasts nasty comments like that what is he like in private?

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  9. eszett (2,272 comments) says:

    There are no “idiotic questions”, Don, only idiotic answers.

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  10. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Confronting and abusing journalists has short term gain – it attracts publicity. That can even help in the between election polls. But when it comes to the crunch people cast their minds back over the publicity and imagine how that behaviour would fit with sound governance and vote accordingly.

    And the crunch – the election campaign, where media coverage is vital – journalists may also remember past behaviours.

    And a stark contrast has been well noted in some quarters – Tamihere is being promoted (and is self promoting), while Cunliffe has been shoved forcefully into the background. Labour have demoted a strength and are promoting increased factional friction. That won’t help them get into Government. It’s no wonder Norman is pushing forward his strategy.

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  11. Graeme Edgeler (3,222 comments) says:

    Tamihere v Tova

    Careful, DPF, you’ll get accused of some sort of sexism by referring to John by his surname, and O’Brien by her given name.

    [DPF: I chose the name that both are most well known under, plus they both started with a T!]

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  12. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    Good on JT for being politically incorrect and calling a spade, a spade in this case.

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  13. Kimble (4,095 comments) says:

    He is improving though. I mean, he did remove hiss “no fat chicks” t-shirt before people managed to get their cameras out.

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  14. Paulus (2,299 comments) says:

    I think I am going to enjoy Tamahere back in politics – should be fun.

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  15. OneTrack (1,979 comments) says:

    What a dumb question to ask someone. It sounds like John was correct, she was a stupid little girl. Where do they get these people from? Is there any qualifications required or do they just grab people off the street.

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  16. Graeme Edgeler (3,222 comments) says:

    What a dumb question to ask someone. It sounds like John was correct, she was a stupid little girl.

    You may think that the “dumb” question is such to render Ms O’Brien stupid, but how does the question asked indicate that she isn’t a woman, but is instead a “little girl”?

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  17. Elaycee (4,089 comments) says:

    Ms O’Brien asked him this morning if he was sexist, a misogynist or a homophobe, and he took to the radio waves to voice his anger.

    There is no doubt this was an idiotic question. No doubt at all.

    And an equally predictable reaction from a loose unit. Tamihere should have handled it better.

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  18. RRM (8,997 comments) says:

    That’s surely the calibre of man we want running the country: A fuckwit who’s incapable of keeping it professional or being the bigger person, and instead flies off the handle with a barrage of cheap insults.

    Clearly JT has been promoted one level above his competence, which would have been student union politics. You can do fairly well being a big-mouthed fuckwit in that arena..

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  19. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    He’s an honest Labour member. Refreshing and probably his ticket to the Beehive

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  20. Graeme Edgeler (3,222 comments) says:

    Just checking: is the question idiotic because no-one should ever be asked if they are sexist, or misogynist or homophobic; or is it stupid because we all know the answer?

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  21. Chuck Bird (4,415 comments) says:

    DPF, It appears you saying it is okay to ask someone if they are homophobic but not to ask them if they are homosexual?

    [DPF: It depends on context. One is an attitude, the other is an orientation.]

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  22. ChardonnayGuy (1,024 comments) says:

    I prefer asking ‘phobes whether they’re fundamentalists. Most of them are too gutless to admit that they’re actually raving on behalf of the Bully Pulpit.

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  23. Viking2 (10,744 comments) says:

    Many of you print screeds of complaints about the babes in Nappies that pose as reporters and TV stars and moan like anything at their innane questions and interviews but the first time a Man steps up and tells it like it is you go all metrosexual and mamby pampy and run home to SWMO crying. Man up.
    Admit he’s bloody well right and that NZ has gone backwards from the day of equal pay and all the rest of that crap.
    The females are endeavoring to run the world.
    They should be bringing up their kids properly.

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  24. Redbaiter (6,482 comments) says:

    “One is an attitude”

    Yes, its called having your own mind and not yielding to frantic attempts at intimidation and mind and speech control as exercised by the likes of screaming little totalitarian queers. (Such as is so well exampled on this thread)

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  25. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Admit he’s bloody well right and that NZ has gone backwards from the day of equal pay and all the rest of that crap.
    The females are endeavoring to run the world.
    They should be bringing up their kids properly.

    Yeah, men have done such a great job with running the world women should just butt out. And they should have their own internet where they can prattle away without interfering with the serious discussion of blokes.

    Without the distraction of females men should be able to rustle up another world war, that’s a good way of cutting down the competition and then proving how good men are at building things. While women shut up and stay shut in their kitchens and nurseries, just like the good old days.

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  26. Reid (15,603 comments) says:

    I prefer asking ‘phobes whether they’re fundamentalists.

    Have you ever asked any of the many misandrists in the Liarbore and Gween parties the same question CG? Or is that different?

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  27. eszett (2,272 comments) says:

    yes, and if anyone knows about “frantic attempts at intimidation and mind and speech control ” it’s certainly you, red.
    Oh, and, of course, you also know all about “screaming little totalitarian queers”, don’t you now?

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  28. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Yes, its called having your own mind and not yielding to frantic attempts at intimidation and mind and speech control as exercised by the likes of screaming little totalitarian queers.

    Your stilettos hurting again red?

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  29. Redbaiter (6,482 comments) says:

    “just like the good old days.”

    Looked at the birth rate amongst European women lately you moron?

    Don’t worry about what you perceive as the good old days.

    As far as what the future holds, and as bad as what it is at present, the good old days are right now.

    All these dopey little girls not having babies is going to have consequences that in 2030 will make you pine ever so pitifully for the return of 2012.

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  30. David Garrett (5,152 comments) says:

    Probably a little OTT…but then few on here can understand how frustrated you get when reporters shove a microphone up your nose (sometimes almost literally) and ask inane questions…or questions you have answered or declined to answer several times.

    I remember once when there was a leadership challenge to Rodney…I was party whip at the time…post caucus I was asked by the gaggle of reporters what had happened at the caucus. My reply was “That is a matter for caucus and I have no comment”. The question was repeated again and again until I replied “What part of ‘I have no comment on that issue’ do you not understand?” Result, widespread condemnation, including from my own leader. You can’t win sometimes.

    Red: When were you discharged? You have been away…

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  31. Redbaiter (6,482 comments) says:

    Griff, join the hate fest.

    http://twitchy.com/2012/12/03/shameful-pope-benedict-xvi-joins-twitter-vile-hate-starts-before-his-first-tweet/

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  32. Redbaiter (6,482 comments) says:

    “You can’t win sometimes.”

    Yeah, but you can always have a good bawl right Dave?

    When the right wakes up to the fact that the media are the enemy, and starts treating them as such, we’ll start to make some political headway.

    Prostrating yourself to these leftist/ liberal arseholes in the hope you’ll win some brownie points in political correctness is entirely counter productive.

    Tell them they’re arseholes and to fuck off.

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  33. Reid (15,603 comments) says:

    My reply was “That is a matter for caucus and I have no comment”

    You should have a whole lot of signs made up for common phrases like that and just pull them out as and when required. This avoids all the upset because then you don’t have to say anything at all while still answering the question, plus it gives a visual clue to TV viewers and any of the journos who don’t have an aural learning style.

    Tell them they’re arseholes and to fuck off.

    Maybe you should ask JT if he wants a press secretary RB.

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  34. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    the pope is just another man in a dress telling women what to do.

    Roseanne Barr

    Not just stilettos there red :lol: popey goes the whole hog.

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  35. Cato (1,094 comments) says:

    Incidentally, interesting to see that the Associated Press is banishing the term “homophobic” from its style-guide. From the standards editor: “Homophobia especially — it’s just off the mark. It’s ascribing a mental disability to someone, and suggests a knowledge that we don’t have. It seems inaccurate.”

    A small victory against the Soviet-styled manner in which the cultural left diagnoses disagreement with permissive sexual licence as a mental illness. A small victory – though – and not one that the NZ media is likely to take a lead from.

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  36. David Garrett (5,152 comments) says:

    Ah Russell…always reliable…perhaps I should preface very comment to you with YIWUWIHTLP

    (Yes, I Was Most Upset When I Had To Leave Politics)…Perhaps one of you clever chaps can come up with an acronym that expresses the above better…and more briefly….

    Cato: Absolutely agree….I am not remotely frightened of homosexuals…I just find their practices somewhat distasteful….why should that be a “disorder” ??

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  37. ChardonnayGuy (1,024 comments) says:

    Er, Cato, you do realise that the Soviet Union actually recriminalised homosexuality under Stalin and it turned out to be post-communist Boris Yeltsin who decriminalised it?

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  38. Redbaiter (6,482 comments) says:

    “Maybe you should ask JT if he wants a press secretary RB.”

    Obsolete-

    Here’s what National need to do. Sack all of their liberal press corp “advisers” that the idiot Key employs. They’re all fuckwit left wingers who have no idea what the party is meant to be about. (just like John Key actually)

    Refuse to talk to the media. Don’t agree to be interviewed or undertake any debates or any of that kind of stuff in mainstream TV or radio or newspapers.

    Use the money saved from sacking all of the advisers to run commercials and advertisements. Thereby completely by-passing the idiot pimply faced left wing prejudiced wimmen and queers and liberals who dominate the media.

    The obvious flaw is that the Nats, if they were left to come up with it themselves, would have no idea what to put in their ads.

    Their ideas don’t extend much further than “we can do socialism so so much better than those inefficient idiots in Labour.” Not a great message.

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  39. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    John Tamihere is a top bloke.

    DG…
    and ask inane questions

    That’s right. Inane questions. If I were JT, I would have asked the journo how many times she fucks a night.

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  40. ChardonnayGuy (1,024 comments) says:

    Ah, Red, that’s almost as good as the Gays being responsible for the Fall of the Roman Empire (instead of an inadequate taxation base, foreign mercenary domination of the late Roman Army, weak and unstable central control and severely compromised transport and trade routes) or the Sodom and Gomorrah myth. Newsflash? They didn’t really exist.

    Although phobes tend to be prone to fantasising. What next? Are Us Heinous Somdomites therefore liable for Hurricane Sandy? 9/11? The Black Death? The end of the Dinosaurs?

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  41. Cato (1,094 comments) says:

    CG,

    Er, I mean that the Soviet Union routinely labelled dissidents from the governing ideology (Communism and state atheism) as being ‘mentally ill’ on the specious grounds that only someone mentally ill could have an ethical objection to that ideology.

    In the same way, some people on the left – and from reading your comments I think you may be on such person – have a tendency to perform amatuer psychoanalysis on people who have different ethical perspectives to the prevailing conventional wisdom.

    For example, you might not personally agree with the fact the Muslims do not eat pork – yet I don’t think you would call a Muslim a “porkophobe” – and yet you reach for in the case of people who hold to a different view of sexual ethics than you.

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  42. Redbaiter (6,482 comments) says:

    Actually Guy, I was once hospitalized for defending a homosexual friend from attack. That was a fair while ago.

    Since then, I’ve tried to suppress my growing dislike for homosexuals as they try so hard to enforce speech and mind control and use made up words like homophobic to label dissenters and otherwise suppress debate, but I’m afraid I can’t help myself.

    Every time I read the kind of Stalinist shit that contemptible little weasels like you write, my dislike for homosexuals grows ever greater.

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  43. ChardonnayGuy (1,024 comments) says:

    Cato: In the case of pedophiles, zoophiles and necrophiles, they do constitute psychopathological paraphilias. As for ‘phobes, ever heard of the “exgay” movement? Talk about amateur “psychoanalysis”… and I have nothing against the Christianically Challenged. It’s an unfortunate condition, but fortunately, they don’t reproduce and they’re dying out gradually.

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  44. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @Falafulu Fisi

    JT is a top bloke because he doesn’t surround himself with plonkers like Sue Bradford and John Minto.

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  45. ChardonnayGuy (1,024 comments) says:

    To enforce mind control, one has to have a mind to control in the first place. That leaves out most ‘phobes by definition. No wonder they’re against euthanasia- they’re frightened someone will out them as experiencing a permanent vegetative state themselves.

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  46. ChardonnayGuy (1,024 comments) says:

    Is that because both Sue Bradford and John Minto have more taste than to hang around in the vicinity of JT? Unlike Willie J, his bromantic partner.

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  47. Cato (1,094 comments) says:

    CG,

    I genuinely want you to think about this – do you think that your unceasingly shrill tone will persuade anybody to be become more tolerant to homosexuals? I don’t. If someone is legitimately diagnosed as having a sexual disorder then they have my sympathy.

    However, I remain unconvinced that you are uniquely credentialled to diagnose those who accept a religion that disagrees with homosexual acts as suffering from some crippling mental illness.

    Okay so you’re gay. My advice to you is to get over it. Everyone else has.

    Return the favour by getting over the fact that some of us are Catholics and Buddhists and Muslims and even non-religious people who dissent from the ethic of permissive licence.

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  48. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @ChardonnayGuy

    No. I was right first time lol

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  49. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    What is it that JT has said that isnt True?
    What is it that most people in the country dont agree with what hes said?

    Can someone explain why idiot reporters ask stupid questions like “are you a mysoginist” of someone who is married to a female and to the best of my knowledge has never said anything that indicates he dislikes women. (and saying that an individual is stupid or fat or ugly isnt such evidence – some are actually fat or stupid or ugly. Kim dotcom is fat, Cunliffe is stupid (for not seeing that he was being set up) and at the moment I cant think of someone who is plain ugly but they must exist)

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  50. mara (641 comments) says:

    Much as I dislike Tamihere, a conformist, docile culture of “You can’t say THAT” is a creeping cancer in society. So I at least applaud his cutting through that particular bullshit. And Paula Bennett IS fat.

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  51. eszett (2,272 comments) says:

    Funny how cato complains about the totalitarian soviet union on the one hand and on the other wants to tell consenting adults how to live their lives.

    I am sure the irony is totally lost on him.

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  52. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Go Mara, Go Mara, Go Mara

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  53. Redbaiter (6,482 comments) says:

    “My advice to you is to get over it.”

    ..and good advice too, but he won’t take it. Almost every comment he has ever written here has been underpinned by the plaintive declaration, “hey, I’m homosexual!” I don’t think that is going to change.

    Such preoccupation with one’s self is why I suspect homosexuality is often just a result of some kind of extreme narcissistic disorder.

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  54. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    totalitarian soviet union……

    They never took the red star off their tanks

    Did they even free the political prisoners from the gulags? The media never told us

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  55. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    Hinamanu…
    JT is a top bloke because he doesn’t surround himself with plonkers like Sue Bradford and John Minto

    I know JT. Until you sit down and have a beer with him or perhaps chat to him, then you realize that the general public don’t know how charming the guy is.

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  56. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    trivialrev, aka hinamanu, are you a socialist or a communist?

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  57. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    And don’t forget Red, an Oz paper found gays have a relationship history of around two years. Too promiscuous. And the system wants gays bringing up kids. UN anti family conspiracy of the highest order

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  58. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @Manolo

    Bible believing Christian

    Find a book called none dare call it conspiracy.

    Published 1971. Predicted everything of whats happening today. Including naming UN agenda 21 by that exact name

    Also anything by Kiwi Barry Smith. Final Notice was his last book. The international business community flocked to him whilst the Beehive railed against him but now, as he warned, we are travelling like a bullet train down the privatisation track.

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  59. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    ChardonnayGuy

    Homosexuality arises as a result of there being not enough testosterone in the mothers bloodstream during development of the foetus.
    Babies born from such a mother all show female tendancies (as do females born of a mother with High testosterone in her system show male tendancies)

    Now – although i feel sorry for you having the malady that you have – ITS NOT MY FAULT AND I RELLY DONT CARE about you gender tendancy.
    If you really want to persue it, go have a talk to your mother and ask what weird foods she was on when you were developing. Was she short of protein in her diet? Was she a vegan? Was she eating heaps and heaps of processed foods?

    Your homosexuality is almost certainly not genetic or normal – its a development of a deficiency when you were a foetus.

    hace a look at places like this: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Fetal_Testosterone.aspx or http://www.autismresearchcentre.com/project_15_foetaltst

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  60. E. Campbell (85 comments) says:

    There was no problem with the question at all. The whole point of it was to see what sort of answer JT would give to such a provocative question. He gave the response Tova probably wanted and expected. Good for her. In the short term JT gets a boost as it has generated a fair amount of publicity and he scores points with the traditional blue-collar conservative Labour supporters. Longer-term, it puts him into a media conflict and he scuppers any chance of getting a decent nomination for 2014 with the party.

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  61. Lance (2,311 comments) says:

    @hinamanu

    The trouble was Barry was grossly inaccurate with many ‘facts’ he presented;
    TV’s have cameras inside them so you can be watched, nuclear weapons can only explode at certain places and certain times (vary rarely he said) etc etc etc

    There is no way around the fact that these statements and many more were wrong.

    Also ‘none dare call it conspiracy’ named the date of the second coming, and it didn’t happen.

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  62. Cato (1,094 comments) says:

    eszett -

    I’m not going to impose anything on Chardonnay Guy. He can do what he wants as long as it doesn’t affect me.

    To be frank, I’ve got bigger worry about in my life than whatever the hell CG wants to do in his private life.

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  63. David Garrett (5,152 comments) says:

    Chardonnay: And just for completeness, I don’t hate you chaps or feel any need to bash you…I just don’t want to hear about certain practices which, sadly, are somewhat “in your face” (apt expression as I understand it) these days…

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  64. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    Shoddygayguy#

    “…Homosexuality arises as a result of there being not enough testosterone in the mothers bloodstream during development of the foetus…”

    Right!

    So why do gayboys have the same fertility rates as hetrosexual males then?

    And why do victims of abuse via the Catholic Church say to the police, courts, and media, “I went on to become gay”……

    Being gay is a mental disorder!

    And your a liar! :cool:

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  65. Viking2 (10,744 comments) says:

    ain’t it fun watching the metro’s make excuses for their inabilty to be real men. :lol: :lol:

    too many soft cocks around.

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  66. David Garrett (5,152 comments) says:

    Harriet: As someone else said, funny name for a bloke….

    Are you aware that homosexuality WAS officially a mental illness until sometime in the sixties or early 70′s? Then societal attitudes changed, and it became just a different orientation. I am actually quite OK with that, but I do wonder about the old “slippery slope”…peadophilia may well be an orientation also…will that make it OK at some point? AMBLA think it’s perfectly peachy right now…

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  67. Wayne91 (142 comments) says:

    “mara (482) Says:

    December 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am
    Much as I dislike Tamihere, a conformist, docile culture of “You can’t say THAT” is a creeping cancer in society. So I at least applaud his cutting through that particular bullshit. And Paula Bennett IS fat.”

    AND Sheila DICKSHIT had a funny name (to us westerners) AND Stephanie Mills had a moustache – Didn’t cutting through that bullshit get some guy the sack? Undeservedly in imho

    And good on JT

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  68. David Garrett (5,152 comments) says:

    Wayne: I can’t claim to know Paula Bennett well, but I suspect she couldnt give a rat’s if someone called her “a fat chick”

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  69. Wayne91 (142 comments) says:

    David – I agree, shes a feisty one that one, loved her “zip it sweetie” quip in parliament the other day. Cant believe that got the media it did, however I suspect it won her more admirers than she previuosly had!

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  70. Tauhei Notts (1,511 comments) says:

    If I lived in Roseneath and was very proud of my local M.P. then I would, along with our host, dislike John Tamihere’s comments.
    But I don’t live in Roseneath and am sure that Tamihere’s refreshing comments are the just the first step on the long road to recapturing the long ago lost votes of “Waitakere Man”.

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  71. Viking2 (10,744 comments) says:

    Pete George (15,459) Says:
    December 4th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    Admit he’s bloody well right and that NZ has gone backwards from the day of equal pay and all the rest of that crap.
    The females are endeavoring to run the world.
    They should be bringing up their kids properly.

    Yeah, men have done such a great job with running the world women should just butt out. And they should have their own internet where they can prattle away without interfering with the serious discussion of blokes.

    Without the distraction of females men should be able to rustle up another world war, that’s a good way of cutting down the competition and then proving how good men are at building things. While women shut up and stay shut in their kitchens and nurseries, just like the good old days.
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    Pete, in the sucessful families that I know its the man who leads the clan. May not be so at your place nor others, which is why you actually have no idea what you stand for, which is why you follow the soon to be again IRD minister for another different government.
    Lack of principles upon which to base your faith and life.

    Hiring Candy fodder to entertain people whist asking inane questions and making stupid statements is the level of TV in NZ. A few more pollies dishing out this stuff would be a good thing.

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  72. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    What a load of presumptuous crap V2. You have no idea how my family is, I haven’t discussed it here. All you’re doing is making shit up and throwing it.

    Some patriarchal structures work fine for everyone in the family, some don’t. Some women are happy to be subservient to a male in a family, some aren’t.

    And that has nothing to do with political attitudes nor principles. I’m happy to stand by the principles on which I base my views and conduct here. I’m clear about what I stand for, if you don’t understand something that’s alien to you that’s not my problem.

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