Condescending prick!

It’s a bit unfair to be blaming this on Muslims. I’ve met Hindus who say that Sikhs have worse regard for women than Muslims – but it’s all just prejudice.

This guy (from India, came here for a better life) violently attacked a couple of teenagers in the Botanic Gardens in Manukau. Two years and five months.

“The judge deducted six months for Singh’s previous good character and age, and took another 10 months off for his early guilty plea, leaving his end sentence at two years and five months. “

Experience, by the way, is not a virtue in itself. It must be coupled with the ablility to interpret it, and to understand what genuine lessons can be drawn from it, and to understand when a reaction to an experience may be misleading. Two people will learn very different lessons from the same experience.

I’ve seen enough of the Islamic world to know that you can’t generalise about it. I’m sure I’d feel anger about the oppression of the people in the particular Islamic dictatorship you lived in, same as I feel angry about the oppression of my friends who live in, or have fled, a particular Buddhist dictatorship (the sexual violence against women inflicted by this regime not being the least of its crimes). But I’m not going to generalise about Buddhists based on that particular experience. Nor do I particularly see why you consider having lived in an Islamic dictatorship to be a prerequisite for understanding the nature of the sadly widespread sexual violence practised in India.

Joanna, blaming muslim in this discussion is certainly not going to take you anywhere to find the root of the problem in India and other parts of the world, you will just make yourself burnt with hatred

“gang rapes by muslim men in the countries I mentioned are horrendous”. Certainly. Are gang rapes by non-Muslims less horrendous?

“I never said only muslim men rape…” “Some of these countries had never had gang rape till they opened their doors to these…”

But you are seriously claiming countries never had gang rape until Muslims turned up?

“Why would any women in the world like or love a group of men whose general and sexual treatment of women is as horrendous as that of muslim men.”

Did somebody suggest women should love Muslim men as a group? What are you on about?

“when did you live in an islamic country?”

Did I claim to have done so?

Excellent!

It most certainly isn’t exclusively Muslim. For example, this report refers to gang rapes committed by Hindus during sectarian violence against Muslims in Gujurat. http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/india/India0402-02.htm#P311_53835

Pretty clear from this report that attitudes to rape are problematic among men from a variety of beliefs. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/12/20121228124356833971.html

“we shall see who did this when the names are released”

Yes, and if they do turn out to be Muslim, which they may well be, I expect you will feel entitled to insist that rape is a Muslim characteristic while ignoring every other single incident of rape and sexual violence in India.

“I do not tell people to shut up. ”

No – you just tell lies about them, such as your despicable claim that I defended rape.

The fact that people believe this is institutionalised through the police and courts, and that the Indian police and courts are not exclusively muslim, suggests to me that Sam is more likely to be right.

And I would note that the language you used “Just wait till it is your daughter” doesn’t help any sort of useful discussion. You’re personalising something that has no need to be personalised, and it _is_ the equivalent of telling someone to shut up.