The latest on Horan

December 16th, 2012 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

Another episode in the case against Horan in the SST:

MP used his mother’s credit card to pay for accommodation while attending a race meeting and campaigning in New Plymouth, it is alleged.

He also allegedly used the card to buy a cheap suit, to stay at a motor lodge in Hastings and to pay a veterinary bill for his horse.

The Sunday Star-Times last week obtained hundreds of pages of Horan’s mother’s bank statements going back to 2000. They show that Olwen Horan’s cards were being hammered while she was terminally ill and bedridden before her death in August.

There are two issues here – legality and morality. I’m surprised with all this evidence, that no one has gone to the Police.

But even putting aside the legality, I think it is morally indefensible to be spending up large from your dying mother’s credit card as if they were your own.

The Star-Times can reveal her credit card was used at the Dawson Motel in New Plymouth on May 27, 2011. Horan was in New Plymouth overnight on May 26 to attend a race meeting, and made a speech to a Grey Power meeting on behalf of Peters when Peters’ flight was diverted due to bad weather.

Maybe NZ First should refund some money also!

In August 2011, the card was used to buy a suit at Barkers menswear in Papamoa for $99. Horan had boasted at the time about it being a bargain.

A bargain indeed!

Horan last week told Radio Live his relationship with his mother was such that if he ever required anything, “all I needed to do was ask”.

He said there may have been cheques from his mother, but no-one had shown him specifics.

“She may have given me some cheques… mothers tend to do that.

“And if she did, so what?

And it might well be legal, if she agreed. But considering the codicil to the will, it suggests she did not. But again regardless of the legality, most people would not regard his actions as ethical.

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47 Responses to “The latest on Horan”

  1. Chris2 (754 comments) says:

    Given Horan’s history of spending other’s money, it would not be unreasonable for the public to expect that Parliamentary Services have already begun to examine the expenses claims he has been reimbursed since being elected to Parliament.

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  2. tvb (4,192 comments) says:

    I weep for Mr Horan’s family. The information is clearly coming from an inside source.

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  3. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    I think it is morally indefensible to be spending up large from your dying mother’s credit card as if they were your own.

    While I think Horan is a retard, the comments from a high horse here are made on supposition only with very little fact behind them.

    He may have had permission to use the cards and the “codicil” on the will may have meant that it was to be paid back later, which makes the entire thing a non story.

    Perhaps the reason no one has gone to the police is there is no evidence of any criminality

    Any decent accountant will have found criminality in 15 minutes so obviously there isn’t much, just family shit.

    This is one of the Wellington cocktail circuit gossip stories where much twittering is done by those who presume they are on the inside.

    Horan will go from Parliament and be replaced by another retard, who really cares.

    And when did politics and ethics ever appear in the same sentence.?

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  4. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    Given Horan’s history of spending other’s money, it would not be unreasonable…

    …to believe that he was in the correct political party.

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  5. Manolo (13,304 comments) says:

    He was preparing and readying himself to become an MP, that is a trougher.

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  6. thedavincimode (6,517 comments) says:

    Has Horan engaged Ian Binnie to exonerate him?

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  7. iMP (2,231 comments) says:

    I am in a very similar family situation; my sister and i now have legal guardianship over our mother after big spend ups of her money by others. Even then, we are scrupulously meticulous about her money and would never appropriate a cent, despite her incapacity. If true, it shows complete moral and ethical failure by Horan.

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  8. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Isn’t the NZ First tradition to make a “donation” to a charity, rather than repaying money improperly spent?

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  9. thedavincimode (6,517 comments) says:

    Rodders

    The tradition is talking about doing it for while and then clamming up, as distinct from the act itself.

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  10. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    NZ First – the party for self-aggrandising failures.

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  11. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    thedavincimode (4,090) Says:

    December 16th, 2012 at 10:09 am
    Has Horan engaged Ian Binnie to exonerate him?

    DVA, I detect a small note of sarcasm in that comment. It actually needs a big note of sarcasm.

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  12. Linda Reid (396 comments) says:

    Um, isn’t using someone else’s credit card fraud? Even with their permission? Graeme?

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  13. ChardonnayGuy (1,130 comments) says:

    Dear Ghod, how on earth does New Zealand First keep getting itself into these situations? First the Great Schism in 1998, then Owen Glenn, and now this series of shenanigans? Ever heard of due diligence in candidate vetting procedures, Winston? Or is sycophancy all that is required???

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  14. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    This interview with Horan gives some demonstration of his level of humility.

    http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/mnr/mnr-20121211-0726-horan_officially_out_of_nz_first-048.mp3

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  15. hj (6,329 comments) says:

    NZ First – the party for self-aggrandising failures.
    ………….
    as opposed to a party for people who represent wealthy property investors, developers and other vested interests.

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  16. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    hj, I apologise.

    I should have said “NZ First – the party for self-aggrandising failures and conspiracy theorists.”

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  17. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    @Rodders,

    Ain’t that the Ugly Truth

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  18. hj (6,329 comments) says:

    NZ First seems to lack intellect in so far as they haven’t been able to articulate arguments against an economy driven by population increase, despite being handed the ball by the Australian Productivity Commision and Savings Working Group.
    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/downloads/pdfs/mi-jarrett-comm.pdf
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4622459/Government-policies-blamed-for-house-prices
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/immigration-link-to-economic-growth-yet-to-be-proven-says-productivity-commission/story-fn9hm1gu-1226179973978
    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/the-yarra-monster-is-killing-us-20100822-13apt.html#ixzz22GnjXjDy

    they have an uphill battle however given that there is strong and entrenched opposition from the left that more people is anything other than the best thing since sliced bread.

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  19. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    hj, I agree fully with the first six words of your comment.

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  20. Psycho Milt (2,246 comments) says:

    I’m totally astonished that a party like NZ First should have an MP in it who turns out to be a smooth-talking egotist with an interest in horse-racing and some very dubious financial dealings. It’s just so counter-intuitive…

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  21. thedavincimode (6,517 comments) says:

    Ever heard of due diligence in candidate vetting procedures, Winston?

    Therein lies the problem. Any credible vetting process would exclude Peters from his own party.

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  22. hj (6,329 comments) says:

    hj, I apologise.

    I should have said “NZ First – the party for self-aggrandising failures and conspiracy theorists.”
    ………..
    So National wouldn’t skew policy choice in favour of property developers and property investors?
    Is it just coincidence that they (the real estate sector) get the outcomes they want?

    Savings Working Group
    January 2011
    “The big adverse gap in productivity between New Zealand and other countries opened up from the 1970s to the early 1990s. The policy choice that increased immigration – given the number of employers increasingly unable to pay First-World wages to the existing population and all the capital requirements that increasing populations involve – looks likely to have worked almost directly against the adjustment New Zealand needed to make and it might have been better off with a lower rate of net immigration. This adjustment would have involved a lower real interest rate (and cost of capital) and a lower real exchange rate, meaning a more favourable environment for raising the low level of productive capital per worker and labour productivity. The low level of capital per worker is a striking symptom of New Zealand’s economic challenge.

    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/reviews-consultation/savingsworkinggroup/pdfs/swg-report-jan11.pdf

    MEDIA RELEASE
    11 August, 2011
    Land supply, taxes and levies prohibiting home ownership
    The supply of land and basic infrastructure, along with taxes, levies and charges imposed on the
    housing supply chain are pushing up the cost of home ownership, according to Property Council New
    Zealand.
    Property Council has welcomed the findings of a Productivity Commission report on housing
    affordability, but argues the high costs of residential property development are passed on to the
    consumer, affecting the affordability of housing.
    ……………..

    Productivity Commision:
    We recommend that you:
    a agree to the inquiry selection process set out in Appendix 1
    Agree/disagree
    b agree that Commission’s second tranche of inquiries be selected on the degree that
    they:
    • are relatively uncontroversial given the desire to establish broad political support for the Commission
    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/informationreleases/productivitycommission/pdfs/t2011-2000.pdf

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  23. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    hj, here is some Sunday morning reading for you – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

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  24. BlairM (2,286 comments) says:

    I can’t help but think that this may be nothing but a horrid beatup.

    First of all, he did this while she was still alive. Did he have her permission? We will never know, and it is impossible to know, since you don’t normally ask for a written contract when you let close relatives borrow your credit card.

    I don’t think you can read anything into Mr Horan’s morality one way or the other on this subject. His mother may have told him to go for it, since she was hardly going to be needing the money for much longer.

    As I have said, relatives can contest a will, and if the will doesn’t specify that Mr Horan receives that money, then he is not entitled to spend it, and the proper recipients are entitled to sue him for it. Have they done so? If they have not, then it seems to me Mr Horan has done nothing wrong.

    All this stuff is normally played out in a court of law. The fact that it has instead been leaked to the media to be judged in the court of public opinion suggests that there is no real legal basis for any of these accusations against Mr Horan.

    My personal view of the man is that I don’t think particularly much of him, but in this case it is impossible to know whether he has done anything wrong, either morally or legally. To my mind, that means we should leave him the hell alone, and let him get on with being an MP.

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  25. Liberty (233 comments) says:

    It is notable how moralistic the leftie media is over Horan.
    Yet quite contempt to accept Winston not paying back the $158,000
    The fact is a seedy MP is a lazy way to report/make news and is unacceptable.
    The public want to know what is going on in parliament by the successful.
    Losers are a waste of space and should be treated as such.
    Off course Horan should go.
    Let’s keep it in perspective. Horan is just one flea
    Who was hanging around an old dog.

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  26. hj (6,329 comments) says:

    hj, I apologise.

    I should have said “NZ First – the party for self-aggrandising failures and conspiracy theorists.”
    …….
    Gareth Morgan:

    Equally concerning is the fact that this recent widening in inequality has been caused not by talented people getting just rewards but by rules allowing some people to exploit political connections and consumer ignorance. The banking sector is a classic example of this. Success in persuading governments that catastrophe would follow if banks were allowed to fail meant bank executives could take high risks, share the high rewards among themselves when the risks paid off and pass the losses on to the tax payer when they didn’t. Weak consumer protection laws meant finance sector firms passed on ridiculous risks to their unaware customers while all the time pocketing a high and steady fee. This excessive remuneration in the finance sector arguably set a benchmark for other executives, lifting pay at the top for many industries.

    Another contributor to widening inequality reported by the Economist and blindingly obvious in New Zealand is the presence of glaring gaps in the tax-system. Exemptions which can be exploited by those with wealth have – surprise, surprise – allowed the wealthy to get richer faster than everyone else. In New Zealand the most obvious exemptions relate to land and housing but there are others too, which allow capital gains on financial transactions to be exempt from tax.
    http://garethsworld.com/blog/economics/get-radical-says-the-economist-time-for-new-thinking-on-tax-and-welfare/

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  27. tvb (4,192 comments) says:

    I trust the parliamentary service is keeping a very tight fist on Horan’s spending. Even more so now he had lost the protection of the Rt Honourable Mr Peters. I will put the general manager of the PS in stocks if Horan’s is allowed to abuse airfares (going to race meetings phone the TAB a 100 times a day using the PS telephone etch etc.

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  28. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Like I said Horan is a dolt bu really there are some small minded people about

    phone the TAB a 100 times a day using the PS telephone etch etc.

    any one except a 14 year old is on a decent plan with basically unlimited callind so really who cares if he calls the TAB 1000 times a day. He’s on a salary not an hourly rate, they don’t have to do time sheets

    And can anyone tell me what this idiot has done (he was an idiot prior to this in my few, a stupid man) – on the face of it its seems fuck all.

    The drunken dwarf is scum first and foremost, so there is every chance here he’s just using this as an excuse for headlines prior to Christmas , the media will keep highlighting a non story because there is nothing else happening and we have to put up with the drunken dwarf in the paper every day.

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  29. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    I agree with Blair. I also think Winston’s knee-jerk was in part informed by his own relationships with his mother. I also think that Horan, though acting in a questionable way, may not have been fraudulent or unethical. It appears hat the only ones that upset are either dealing with mother issues, or crying over money they can’t seem to get their hands on.

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  30. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    where’s the f@#$$ edit, my typing is appalling without it

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  31. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Hold the bus – I’ve figured it out.

    The drunken dwarf promised Mrs. Horan a job for her son , the rider being a big party donation but Mrs. Horans little boy Brendan went and spent it and Winnies nose is all out of joint

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  32. Paulus (2,488 comments) says:

    Where are the Police in all this ???
    If a crime has been committed a prosecution will be around the corner.
    Guilty by media, and Winston’s release of private information being fed to him.
    I Ithought our laws provided that a person was not guilty until charged and proven in a court.
    Typical scum media beatup to sell papers.

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  33. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Typical scum media Peters beatup to sell papers himself

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  34. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    hj @ 11.58am.

    Interesting that you mention a CGT. Winston might hedge his bets on that one – http://www.bayofplentytimes.co.nz/news/winston-peters-between-rock-and-hard-place/1062745/

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  35. Richard Hurst (751 comments) says:

    Horan is typical of the sort of dubious characters that are attracted to brand Peters just like a certain waka jumping National MP currently wailing like a baby because because no one wants him as Speaker.

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  36. Rex Widerstrom (5,253 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay suggests:

    The drunken dwarf promised Mrs. Horan a job for her son , the rider being a big party donation but Mrs. Horans little boy Brendan went and spent it and Winnies nose is all out of joint

    I’m not sure whether your comment was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but I would not be at all surprised if you were right… nor would I be surprised if, despite Horan’s best efforts to splash it all, such a donation was made in any case, because Winston’s not one to let obvious no-hopers onto the gravy train unless they’ve first paid their fare.

    Think back to 1996 and the sudden, miraculous appearance of Robyn McDonald on the NZ First list. I’d frequently subbed for Winston at Tauranga electorate functions (he even abandoned his own AGM to have dinner with Bob Jones) so had plenty of contacts up there, and not one had even heard of McDonald. Yet suddenly she was catapaulted into Parliament. What little my informants could tell me about her was an oft-repeated rumour that a substantial donation had come from persons connected with the candidate prior to her sudden high ranking.

    That would also explain Horan’s sense of entitlement. If you’ve effectively purchased your seat as one of our “Representatives” you’re not really going to feel that beholden to those you supposedly represent.

    McDonald, for instance, had hardly finished choosing the new curtains in her office than she felt that her vital role as Minister of Consumer Affairs necessitated a trip to Paris for her and a large entourage. Presumably she needed to watch people consume baguettes. Or needed to compare her experience as a consumer of Louis Vuitton luggage and Gucci handbags with that of your average Warehouse shopper. Whatever it was, I’m sure it was vitally necessary and the knowledge she brought back has informed the decisions of her colleagues even to this very day…

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  37. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    I’m not sure whether your comment was meant to be tongue-in-cheek,

    as they say Rex,, ” out of the mouths of babes”

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  38. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Later, McDonald was appointed to a position in Development Wainuiomata, an organisation promoting economic and population growth in the Wainuiomata area. She is now working as National Chief Executive for the RNZSPCA and is known as Robyn Kippenberger.

    Developement Wainuiomata hhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa hhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa legend

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  39. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Tau and Robyn are not the only truly outstanding MP’s NZ First has had over the years.

    Don’t forget such luminaries as Michael Laws, Jack Elder, Ann Batten, Tuku Morgan, Jenny Bloxham and Peter Brown.

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  40. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Question:

    People on here admit to voting Green, voting Labour, Voting Maori , sell there children to white slaverss,admit having sex with animals but no one that I can remember has admitted voting for NZF.

    It really must be like having a quick pull over a cousin, totally shameful.

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  41. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    PEB – I recall that joana is proud to proclaim her support for NZ First (as well as admiring Kyle Chapman and Tommy Robinson.)

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  42. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    j

    joana is proud to proclaim her support for NZ First

    explains it all really doesn’t it – resident of Chrsitchurch I believe

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  43. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    PEB,

    I think hj is clearly another Winston support.

    (pq is another – but hasn’t actually commentedon this thread.)

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  44. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    ^^ supporter

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  45. Rex Widerstrom (5,253 comments) says:

    @Pauleastbay

    I did, once, in 1993, before MMP so it wasn’t a party vote, it was a vote for me personally… which makes it even more of an onanistic exercise than “having a quick pull over your cousin” :-/

    An… ahem… I’ll have you know I was on the Wainuiomata Development Board a couple of decades before Ms Whatever-her-alias-is-now was appointed to that exalted position. We didn’t even get an honorarium for our work, of course, yet IMHO achieved quite a bit. Ms Change-my-name-to-keep-one-step-ahead-of-the-lynch-mob received a handsome salary and achieved sweet FA, thus reflecting her Parliamentary career.

    In fact on my last visit home the place had gone alarmingly backwards, so her reverse Midas touch is as strong as ever. I’m just dismayed that the SPCA, one of the few charities I’ve been able to say I wholeheartedly support, and to which my elderly parents regularly donate, is her latest bolt-hole. I wonder if they’ve been told yet of the CEO’s urgent need to research the welfare of puppies and kittens in New York, Los Angeles and London?

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  46. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    So we appear to be suggesting this is not about moral outrage, but about someone feeling cheated out of the old dear’s cash!?

    Are we suggesting Horan’s presence in the party was contingent on the receipt of said cash?

    And that the spending of that cash rendered the agreement null and void?

    Don’t you hate it when people take other peoples’ cash and spend it then refuse to cough it up?

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  47. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > Has Horan engaged Ian Binnie to exonerate him?

    Binnie won’t just exonerate him, he’ll recommend he be paid millions in compensation for hurt and embarrassment.

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