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	<title>Comments on: The ones who wouldn&#8217;t even have organised the rubble to be cleared by now</title>
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		<title>By: OneTrack</title>
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		<dc:creator>OneTrack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 09:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;annie (482) Says: 
December 6th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
The one thing I never hear heritage enthusiasts talk about is: who will pay for restoring and retaining these buildings? And who will guarantee the safety of the public in the meantime?&quot;

That&#039;s because it is always &quot;somebody else&quot; or &quot;the government&quot; ie anybody else except them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;annie (482) Says:<br />
December 6th, 2012 at 4:53 pm<br />
The one thing I never hear heritage enthusiasts talk about is: who will pay for restoring and retaining these buildings? And who will guarantee the safety of the public in the meantime?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because it is always &#8220;somebody else&#8221; or &#8220;the government&#8221; ie anybody else except them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bullitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bullitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 06:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Annie, I dont think thats a valid argument.  I would gladly pay far more than my fair share to restore the Christchurch Cathedral to look the same as it did pre quake (complete with extra earthquake strengthening as required).  While I may be in the minority I have no doubt suffient funds could be raised in a very short time.  The problem is we dont have the opportunity.  If the church doesn&#039;t want to do it someone else could step in and rebuild it for another purpose but that option has never been made available.

Sure lots of heritage buildings have been lost forever but there are many more than could have been and continue to be saveable.  In 50 years time any buildings built in 2012 will have minimal architectural value just like those built in the 1960s-70s dont.  The turn of the century buildings are in a different class.

Noone is saying we have to save all of them but those of sufficient merit should have every effort taken to save them (and in some cases even build exact replicas where there is sufficient merit such as the cathedral).  To date that hasnt happened.

These views have nothing to do with my political leanings.  I just feel our early european culture is far too easily forgotten.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie, I dont think thats a valid argument.  I would gladly pay far more than my fair share to restore the Christchurch Cathedral to look the same as it did pre quake (complete with extra earthquake strengthening as required).  While I may be in the minority I have no doubt suffient funds could be raised in a very short time.  The problem is we dont have the opportunity.  If the church doesn&#8217;t want to do it someone else could step in and rebuild it for another purpose but that option has never been made available.</p>
<p>Sure lots of heritage buildings have been lost forever but there are many more than could have been and continue to be saveable.  In 50 years time any buildings built in 2012 will have minimal architectural value just like those built in the 1960s-70s dont.  The turn of the century buildings are in a different class.</p>
<p>Noone is saying we have to save all of them but those of sufficient merit should have every effort taken to save them (and in some cases even build exact replicas where there is sufficient merit such as the cathedral).  To date that hasnt happened.</p>
<p>These views have nothing to do with my political leanings.  I just feel our early european culture is far too easily forgotten.</p>
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		<title>By: annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The one thing I never hear heritage enthusiasts talk about is:  who will pay for restoring and retaining these buildings?  And who will guarantee the safety of the public in the meantime?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing I never hear heritage enthusiasts talk about is:  who will pay for restoring and retaining these buildings?  And who will guarantee the safety of the public in the meantime?</p>
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		<title>By: willtruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>willtruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RRM. In poverty stricken post war Germany, I think it was a mixture of central and local government that funded the restoration work. The same thing would have been possible here. But the government here just has different priorities. It cares less about heritage buildings than the post war government in Germany did. That&#039;s a perfectly legitimate set of priorities I suppose. But it is dishonest for DPF to try to make out like there was no choice here. There was a choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RRM. In poverty stricken post war Germany, I think it was a mixture of central and local government that funded the restoration work. The same thing would have been possible here. But the government here just has different priorities. It cares less about heritage buildings than the post war government in Germany did. That&#8217;s a perfectly legitimate set of priorities I suppose. But it is dishonest for DPF to try to make out like there was no choice here. There was a choice.</p>
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		<title>By: RRM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 01:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[willtruth - 

And elsewhere around New Zealand, there are innumerable old brick &amp; stone masonry &quot;heritage&quot; buildings whose owners cannot find the money to strengthen them to even 67% of current seismic design code levels, let alone 100% that we are striving to encourage them to do. And these are buildings that have paying tenants in place, and are NOT damaged, and NOT unsafe to enter or even approach to work on.

While the owners of these buildings are struggling to fund restoration and strengthening projects, it does not surprise me that the owners of damaged, empty, unsafe and semi-derelict old buildings in Chch cannot afford to do so.

It is great to have pieces of our bricks &amp; mortar heritage preserved. But all that costs money,which has to come from somewhere. And there doesn&#039;t even appear to be money enough to save NZ&#039;s greatest historic building (Chch Cathedral) so it doesn&#039;t surprise me that preservation of many much lesser historic buildings hasn&#039;t been pursued. 

On the other hand, if private building owners DID get their funding together and DID apply to CCC for building consent to carry out repair and strengthening schemes for their buildings, would CCC decline them? 

In other words - who, exactly, are this &lt;i&gt;&quot;they&quot;&lt;/i&gt; who &lt;i&gt;&quot;should be doing more&quot;&lt;/i&gt; here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>willtruth &#8211; </p>
<p>And elsewhere around New Zealand, there are innumerable old brick &amp; stone masonry &#8220;heritage&#8221; buildings whose owners cannot find the money to strengthen them to even 67% of current seismic design code levels, let alone 100% that we are striving to encourage them to do. And these are buildings that have paying tenants in place, and are NOT damaged, and NOT unsafe to enter or even approach to work on.</p>
<p>While the owners of these buildings are struggling to fund restoration and strengthening projects, it does not surprise me that the owners of damaged, empty, unsafe and semi-derelict old buildings in Chch cannot afford to do so.</p>
<p>It is great to have pieces of our bricks &amp; mortar heritage preserved. But all that costs money,which has to come from somewhere. And there doesn&#8217;t even appear to be money enough to save NZ&#8217;s greatest historic building (Chch Cathedral) so it doesn&#8217;t surprise me that preservation of many much lesser historic buildings hasn&#8217;t been pursued. </p>
<p>On the other hand, if private building owners DID get their funding together and DID apply to CCC for building consent to carry out repair and strengthening schemes for their buildings, would CCC decline them? </p>
<p>In other words &#8211; who, exactly, are this <i>&#8220;they&#8221;</i> who <i>&#8220;should be doing more&#8221;</i> here?</p>
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		<title>By: willtruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>willtruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 01:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DPF makes it sound like there was no choice but to demolish the buildings. Yes there was an effing earthquake in Christchurch. Just as there was an effing war in Europe in 1939 - 1945. In German cities they often made the decision to restore heritage buildings. In Britain they usually chose to demolish them and rebuild. We could have chosen the German way. But we chose the British way. And if you don&#039;t care about heritage buildings that&#039;s a perfectly logical choice. But please don&#039;t try and say there wasn&#039;t a choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPF makes it sound like there was no choice but to demolish the buildings. Yes there was an effing earthquake in Christchurch. Just as there was an effing war in Europe in 1939 &#8211; 1945. In German cities they often made the decision to restore heritage buildings. In Britain they usually chose to demolish them and rebuild. We could have chosen the German way. But we chose the British way. And if you don&#8217;t care about heritage buildings that&#8217;s a perfectly logical choice. But please don&#8217;t try and say there wasn&#8217;t a choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 22:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why wait to strike till Feb, why not strike now. Oh that right it school holidays and they wouldnt want to risk not getting paid during school holidays.

NZ Govt should lock them out and not pay them. Teachers are the biggest drain on the NZ economy - losers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why wait to strike till Feb, why not strike now. Oh that right it school holidays and they wouldnt want to risk not getting paid during school holidays.</p>
<p>NZ Govt should lock them out and not pay them. Teachers are the biggest drain on the NZ economy &#8211; losers.</p>
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		<title>By: Flyingkiwi9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flyingkiwi9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 22:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To everyone who responded to me....

It wasn&#039;t about backing up the government but the fact is sometimes decisions just have to be made. These decisions are the backbone of any decent leader. I&#039;m not saying the government is this, I&#039;m provoking thought on the wider issue - why aren&#039;t they?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To everyone who responded to me&#8230;.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t about backing up the government but the fact is sometimes decisions just have to be made. These decisions are the backbone of any decent leader. I&#8217;m not saying the government is this, I&#8217;m provoking thought on the wider issue &#8211; why aren&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: Luc Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luc Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 21:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting post. The letter&#039;s first demand is for democratic elections. Bloody lefties! So the essence of the dispute is Democracy vs Herr Gerry. Not a surprise as to who DPF would back here.

And the NZEI event is another exercise in democracy our host finds upsetting. Maybe we should put Herr Gerry in charge of education?

[DPF:Luc time and time again you show you do not even read the posts you comment on. I explicitly said I oppose the Govt&#039;s decision on not holding ECan elections.

And 30 demerits for Herr Gerry]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. The letter&#8217;s first demand is for democratic elections. Bloody lefties! So the essence of the dispute is Democracy vs Herr Gerry. Not a surprise as to who DPF would back here.</p>
<p>And the NZEI event is another exercise in democracy our host finds upsetting. Maybe we should put Herr Gerry in charge of education?</p>
<p>[DPF:Luc time and time again you show you do not even read the posts you comment on. I explicitly said I oppose the Govt's decision on not holding ECan elections.</p>
<p>And 30 demerits for Herr Gerry]</p>
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		<title>By: scrubone</title>
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		<dc:creator>scrubone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[niggly, it is my observation that the media are deliberatly digging up the people most likely to complain, and doing their best to get negitivity from those people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>niggly, it is my observation that the media are deliberatly digging up the people most likely to complain, and doing their best to get negitivity from those people.</p>
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		<title>By: scrubone</title>
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		<dc:creator>scrubone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I gave a hitchiker a ride once. She was convinced that cutting teachers in Christchurch would mean schools woudn&#039;t have teachers.

She was so emphatic about it I didn&#039;t feel like pointing out that the cuts would merely take the ratios down to what they were everywhere else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gave a hitchiker a ride once. She was convinced that cutting teachers in Christchurch would mean schools woudn&#8217;t have teachers.</p>
<p>She was so emphatic about it I didn&#8217;t feel like pointing out that the cuts would merely take the ratios down to what they were everywhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: Paulus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having had a large working portion of my life in insurance and having had many dealings with the likes of AMI senior management, it was continually inherent that Christchurch was precious, and so different from the rest of New Zealand.
As a precious place with precious people no such thing as an earthquake could occur there. That nasty place called Wellington yes - but the eternal city - no.
The arrogance that was there in the insurance industry was sad, but intransigent in their thinking.
Now it is a political game against the Government to get back the seats it lost in the last election, This Government have done more from taxpayers money than any other country would have considered. 
Yes - I have spent many years dealing with insurance in other countries.

As for the teachers who are part of the political bitching they will not accept that they have lost 9000 children from Christchurch. New ones will emerge into a system of over $1 billion of new and refurbished schools. 
Stupid as Stupid is - and they are called Teachers - poor pupils.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having had a large working portion of my life in insurance and having had many dealings with the likes of AMI senior management, it was continually inherent that Christchurch was precious, and so different from the rest of New Zealand.<br />
As a precious place with precious people no such thing as an earthquake could occur there. That nasty place called Wellington yes &#8211; but the eternal city &#8211; no.<br />
The arrogance that was there in the insurance industry was sad, but intransigent in their thinking.<br />
Now it is a political game against the Government to get back the seats it lost in the last election, This Government have done more from taxpayers money than any other country would have considered.<br />
Yes &#8211; I have spent many years dealing with insurance in other countries.</p>
<p>As for the teachers who are part of the political bitching they will not accept that they have lost 9000 children from Christchurch. New ones will emerge into a system of over $1 billion of new and refurbished schools.<br />
Stupid as Stupid is &#8211; and they are called Teachers &#8211; poor pupils.</p>
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		<title>By: niggly</title>
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		<dc:creator>niggly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m really getting f***g sick of hearing people from Christchurch whinging about heritage buildings etc, especially these Labour (and now Green) politicians and their proxy activists in disguise purporting to be representing community interest groups. They are sullying the majority of residents with their political agenda. (I even heard Mary Wilson on Checkpoint yesterday roasting some education union turkey who sounded like a thick meat head for their planned unlawful strike next year).

When the 1930&#039;s quake hit Napier, what&#039;s the bet the people of the time accepted their fate, thankful for their survival, and just got on with rebuilding their lives without being political drama queens and wanting things to be wrapped up in cotton wool.

I would really like the lazy MSM to get off their arses and dig back into their OWN archives to review the people&#039;s attitudes of the time and contrast it to now. I&#039;ve been waiting since 2011 for this and have yet to see one single article. Why is that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really getting f***g sick of hearing people from Christchurch whinging about heritage buildings etc, especially these Labour (and now Green) politicians and their proxy activists in disguise purporting to be representing community interest groups. They are sullying the majority of residents with their political agenda. (I even heard Mary Wilson on Checkpoint yesterday roasting some education union turkey who sounded like a thick meat head for their planned unlawful strike next year).</p>
<p>When the 1930&#8242;s quake hit Napier, what&#8217;s the bet the people of the time accepted their fate, thankful for their survival, and just got on with rebuilding their lives without being political drama queens and wanting things to be wrapped up in cotton wool.</p>
<p>I would really like the lazy MSM to get off their arses and dig back into their OWN archives to review the people&#8217;s attitudes of the time and contrast it to now. I&#8217;ve been waiting since 2011 for this and have yet to see one single article. Why is that?</p>
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		<title>By: RRM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dave_c_ - I meant the govt purchase offers, not their private insurance!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dave_c_ &#8211; I meant the govt purchase offers, not their private insurance!</p>
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		<title>By: dave_c_</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave_c_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RRM - &quot;Significant help&quot; - Seems to me like Insurers of folks who have (and pair for) &#039;replacement value cover&#039; are doing their very best to avoid delivering the &#039;significant help customers have paid for all their lives (or at t least the period they&#039;ve owned the property)
Until all parties come clean and behave ethically, and are seen to behave ethically, then the perception is always going to be there, that everyone is trying to screw the little man, and run their own agenda]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RRM &#8211; &#8220;Significant help&#8221; &#8211; Seems to me like Insurers of folks who have (and pair for) &#8216;replacement value cover&#8217; are doing their very best to avoid delivering the &#8216;significant help customers have paid for all their lives (or at t least the period they&#8217;ve owned the property)<br />
Until all parties come clean and behave ethically, and are seen to behave ethically, then the perception is always going to be there, that everyone is trying to screw the little man, and run their own agenda</p>
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		<title>By: RRM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DPF - 

Left-leaning consulting structural engineer here... Your comments on demolition of heritage buildings and CBD land acquisition are spot on IMHO.

Schools issue I don&#039;t know enough about to comment on. I see all the teachers in the whole district took a personal risk in going to an illegal strike yesterday, there must be something they are pretty upset about.

Residential red zone... why doesn&#039;t the council just stop issuing rates invoices to those properties, and disconnect their services? People will eventually get the hint that they are pushing sh!t uphill demanding everyone else uneconomically fix their broken and deserted former neighbourhood... and that the Govt&#039;s offer is worth considering after all. They have survived what is - touch wood - probably the great natural disaster of our times,  but their houses and sections didn&#039;t. That&#039;s sad, but they are being offered significant help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPF &#8211; </p>
<p>Left-leaning consulting structural engineer here&#8230; Your comments on demolition of heritage buildings and CBD land acquisition are spot on IMHO.</p>
<p>Schools issue I don&#8217;t know enough about to comment on. I see all the teachers in the whole district took a personal risk in going to an illegal strike yesterday, there must be something they are pretty upset about.</p>
<p>Residential red zone&#8230; why doesn&#8217;t the council just stop issuing rates invoices to those properties, and disconnect their services? People will eventually get the hint that they are pushing sh!t uphill demanding everyone else uneconomically fix their broken and deserted former neighbourhood&#8230; and that the Govt&#8217;s offer is worth considering after all. They have survived what is &#8211; touch wood &#8211; probably the great natural disaster of our times,  but their houses and sections didn&#8217;t. That&#8217;s sad, but they are being offered significant help.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The schools issue is a typical parata shambles but overall the govt has done a laudable job on chch. Heritage buildings in an earthquake prone city are and expensive bit of nostalgia that we can&#039;t afford to keep. 

Brownlee has made mistakes but has also achieved a great deal. This is new territory for the govt and mistakes are the inevitable result of doing stuff. He deserves plaudits for getting on with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The schools issue is a typical parata shambles but overall the govt has done a laudable job on chch. Heritage buildings in an earthquake prone city are and expensive bit of nostalgia that we can&#8217;t afford to keep. </p>
<p>Brownlee has made mistakes but has also achieved a great deal. This is new territory for the govt and mistakes are the inevitable result of doing stuff. He deserves plaudits for getting on with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Rowling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Rowling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If architects and developers were like car and computer manufacturers, everyone would prefer new buildings, because they would be better than the old ones in nearly every way (including styling).

Then we wouldn&#039;t have to risk people&#039;s lives for the pleasure of heritage aesthetes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If architects and developers were like car and computer manufacturers, everyone would prefer new buildings, because they would be better than the old ones in nearly every way (including styling).</p>
<p>Then we wouldn&#8217;t have to risk people&#8217;s lives for the pleasure of heritage aesthetes.</p>
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		<title>By: scrubone</title>
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		<dc:creator>scrubone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;“the Government wants to use Christchurch to test its new ideology”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ooooo. Did they also make the claim that the government was punishing people for not voting National? That&#039;s a good one too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“the Government wants to use Christchurch to test its new ideology”</p></blockquote>
<p>Ooooo. Did they also make the claim that the government was punishing people for not voting National? That&#8217;s a good one too.</p>
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		<title>By: scrubone</title>
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		<dc:creator>scrubone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The buildings performed well, but there is a difference between their performance and people’s expectations that is the main issue.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes. I also think many people don&#039;t realise just how much more expensive it is to deliver the difference - literally a couple of orders of magnitude in cost in some areas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The buildings performed well, but there is a difference between their performance and people’s expectations that is the main issue.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes. I also think many people don&#8217;t realise just how much more expensive it is to deliver the difference &#8211; literally a couple of orders of magnitude in cost in some areas.</p>
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