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		<title>By: mikenmild</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/a_promising_start.html/comment-page-1#comment-1081797</link>
		<dc:creator>mikenmild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What would you do to change them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would you do to change them?</p>
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		<title>By: Left Right and Centre</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/a_promising_start.html/comment-page-1#comment-1081795</link>
		<dc:creator>Left Right and Centre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[graham....

This is the feral lowlife moron underclass you&#039;re talking about man. They&#039;re fuckin braindead motherfuckers. They&#039;re like the lower animals mate. Lower animals breed. That&#039;s what they do. They don&#039;t stop to think about it. They just do it. They just fuckin do it.

What do you want them to do? They&#039;re braindead. They&#039;re blank. They don&#039;t know any better... they don&#039;t have the mental capacity to think like you do. They&#039;re like children. The mentality of a child with working genitals. 

How are you ever going to change them? Would you try to turn a lion into a vegan? I don&#039;t fucking think so eh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>graham&#8230;.</p>
<p>This is the feral lowlife moron underclass you&#8217;re talking about man. They&#8217;re fuckin braindead motherfuckers. They&#8217;re like the lower animals mate. Lower animals breed. That&#8217;s what they do. They don&#8217;t stop to think about it. They just do it. They just fuckin do it.</p>
<p>What do you want them to do? They&#8217;re braindead. They&#8217;re blank. They don&#8217;t know any better&#8230; they don&#8217;t have the mental capacity to think like you do. They&#8217;re like children. The mentality of a child with working genitals. </p>
<p>How are you ever going to change them? Would you try to turn a lion into a vegan? I don&#8217;t fucking think so eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/a_promising_start.html/comment-page-1#comment-1081421</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[krazykiwi says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;There is no evidence of an increased number of people in employment as a result of this change. Just assertion and inference. Which is dishonest.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well spotted kk, despite DPF&#039;s uncritical analysis.

Plus, if we take this at face value, in a time of less-than-full employment, the opportunity cost of 5,000 solo parents in work is 5,000 single and married / partnered people still without a job. It&#039;s a zero-sum game until something is done to increase the pool of available jobs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>krazykiwi says:</p>
<blockquote><p>There is no evidence of an increased number of people in employment as a result of this change. Just assertion and inference. Which is dishonest.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well spotted kk, despite DPF&#8217;s uncritical analysis.</p>
<p>Plus, if we take this at face value, in a time of less-than-full employment, the opportunity cost of 5,000 solo parents in work is 5,000 single and married / partnered people still without a job. It&#8217;s a zero-sum game until something is done to increase the pool of available jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: scrubone</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/a_promising_start.html/comment-page-1#comment-1081369</link>
		<dc:creator>scrubone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 00:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe they finally started kicking people off the dole who were able to work, but refused it. 

I&#039;m open to suggestions as to what should be done to help such people, but giving them the same thing as people who are in fact willing to work is not something I will ever support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they finally started kicking people off the dole who were able to work, but refused it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m open to suggestions as to what should be done to help such people, but giving them the same thing as people who are in fact willing to work is not something I will ever support.</p>
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		<title>By: hinamanu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/a_promising_start.html/comment-page-1#comment-1081361</link>
		<dc:creator>hinamanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 00:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dept of statistics has confirmed Paula Bennett&#039;s numbers of dropping unemployed is really beneficiaries being taken off assistance and jobs are not really being filled by the unemployed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dept of statistics has confirmed Paula Bennett&#8217;s numbers of dropping unemployed is really beneficiaries being taken off assistance and jobs are not really being filled by the unemployed.</p>
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		<title>By: krazykiwi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/a_promising_start.html/comment-page-1#comment-1081341</link>
		<dc:creator>krazykiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no evidence of an increased number of people in employment as a result of this change. Just assertion and inference. Which is dishonest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no evidence of an increased number of people in employment as a result of this change. Just assertion and inference. Which is dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: graham</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/a_promising_start.html/comment-page-1#comment-1081337</link>
		<dc:creator>graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find the concept of the &quot;root cause&quot; interesting. All too often we look at issues and problems and address the issues that are in front of our eyes, without acknowledging the &quot;root cause&quot; - another way of describing this is &quot;the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff&quot;.

In this case, nobody ever seems to want to address the true root cause - why do we have so many solo parents?

Marriage/relationship breakups are complex and difficult, and I understand there are some situations where it&#039;s broken too badly to fix. But maybe if we, as a society, started placing more emphasis on the concept of commitment to a relationship - &lt;b&gt;especially where children are involved&lt;/b&gt; - then some of the other issues would be a little bit easier to deal with.

I feel strongly that if a couple intend to have children, then they should take a long hard look at their relationship and ask if it can survive for the next 15 to 20 years while they bring up those children. If not, are they prepared to cope with the consequences?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the concept of the &#8220;root cause&#8221; interesting. All too often we look at issues and problems and address the issues that are in front of our eyes, without acknowledging the &#8220;root cause&#8221; &#8211; another way of describing this is &#8220;the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff&#8221;.</p>
<p>In this case, nobody ever seems to want to address the true root cause &#8211; why do we have so many solo parents?</p>
<p>Marriage/relationship breakups are complex and difficult, and I understand there are some situations where it&#8217;s broken too badly to fix. But maybe if we, as a society, started placing more emphasis on the concept of commitment to a relationship &#8211; <b>especially where children are involved</b> &#8211; then some of the other issues would be a little bit easier to deal with.</p>
<p>I feel strongly that if a couple intend to have children, then they should take a long hard look at their relationship and ask if it can survive for the next 15 to 20 years while they bring up those children. If not, are they prepared to cope with the consequences?</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/a_promising_start.html/comment-page-1#comment-1081329</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;Karol&#039; covers this - &lt;a href=&quot;http://thestandard.org.nz/doing-the-numbers-benefits-unemployment/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Doing the numbers: benefits &amp; (un)employment&lt;/a&gt; - including quoting Metiria Turei.

And there&#039;s some predictable comments:
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Opposition parties say the latest welfare figures issued by the Government prove people are being forced into poverty…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s an interesting comment and response. 

mickysavage:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
I agree Karol this is not something to celebrate.

Somewhere there is a Kiwi family whose parents have had to resort to crime or prostitution to get by.

There has to be a better way 
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Tom Gould:
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And what might that ‘better way’ be, Micky?
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Savagemicky is yet to respond.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Karol&#8217; covers this &#8211; <a href="http://thestandard.org.nz/doing-the-numbers-benefits-unemployment/" rel="nofollow">Doing the numbers: benefits &amp; (un)employment</a> &#8211; including quoting Metiria Turei.</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s some predictable comments:</p>
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Opposition parties say the latest welfare figures issued by the Government prove people are being forced into poverty…</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s an interesting comment and response. </p>
<p>mickysavage:</p>
<blockquote><p>
I agree Karol this is not something to celebrate.</p>
<p>Somewhere there is a Kiwi family whose parents have had to resort to crime or prostitution to get by.</p>
<p>There has to be a better way
</p></blockquote>
<p>Tom Gould:</p>
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And what might that ‘better way’ be, Micky?
</p></blockquote>
<p>Savagemicky is yet to respond.</p>
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		<title>By: tvb</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/a_promising_start.html/comment-page-1#comment-1081316</link>
		<dc:creator>tvb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it is far too premature to say this fro is because of new policy changes. This is against a background of rising unemployment. I am in favour of cancelling the dpb altogether. It is a failed social experiment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is far too premature to say this fro is because of new policy changes. This is against a background of rising unemployment. I am in favour of cancelling the dpb altogether. It is a failed social experiment.</p>
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		<title>By: dime</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/a_promising_start.html/comment-page-1#comment-1081308</link>
		<dc:creator>dime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Werent we at 113,000 a couple of years ago. 

Its still about 80,000 too many but its a start.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Werent we at 113,000 a couple of years ago. </p>
<p>Its still about 80,000 too many but its a start.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/a_promising_start.html/comment-page-1#comment-1081294</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As always, to get critical analysis of a story that seems to support the National Party we look away from KB.

Lindsay Mitchell has raised a good point in that they don&#039;t seem to ask what the subsequent increase of people on the Young Parent Payment is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, to get critical analysis of a story that seems to support the National Party we look away from KB.</p>
<p>Lindsay Mitchell has raised a good point in that they don&#8217;t seem to ask what the subsequent increase of people on the Young Parent Payment is.</p>
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