A schism in Destiny?

January 27th, 2013 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Tony Wall at SST reports:

Some of ’s most senior members have defected, upset at Bishop Brian Tamaki’s calls to hand over money for his “City of God” in South Auckland.

The Sunday Star-Times has learned that Tamaki’s obsession with building the new facility in Druces Rd, Manukau, has caused a schism in the church, with some of his staunchest followers deserting him.

Janine Cardno, the church’s media spokeswoman for many years, left last year, along with Paul and Michelle Hubble, who had been with Tamaki since 1990. …

Tamaki has called on church members to contribute $1000 each to help renovate the warehouse that will house church facilities, including a school.

The departure of Cardno is seen as particularly significant. She and her late husband, Neil, moved from Rotorua to help establish Destiny in Auckland in the 1990s, and Neil, a former TVNZ employee, pioneered Destiny television.

The church helped Janine through her grief after Neil died in a road accident in 2005. She was the public mouthpiece for Tamaki, defending him against criticisms over his lavish lifestyle. She declined to comment on her reasons for leaving.

The Hubbles also declined to comment, but a close friend said they had become disillusioned with Tamaki’s vision for the “City of God”, as it seemed he was putting buildings ahead of people.

“There was an announcement made that they wanted everybody to raise $1000. They weren’t happy about that, because they could see families in the church that would struggle to raise that amount of money.

“They personally knew of couples who were thinking, ‘We can’t raise the money, what can we sell?’ You shouldn’t have to do that. At what point do flash buildings become more important than actually looking after those people?”

In a New Year’s Eve sermon, Nelson’s Destiny Church pastor Martin Daly said: “I love reading the Destiny Church Facebook page [and families] going without Christmas presents ‘cos they’re saving up for their $1000 grand slam offering for the promised land that’s gonna bless the people of South Auckland.”

I wonder what this new City of God will be called? Brianville?

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22 Responses to “A schism in Destiny?”

  1. Kimble (4,405 comments) says:

    Inevitable.

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  2. Redbaiter (7,981 comments) says:

    It always amazes me that critics of the Bishop never seem to twig to the obvious paralell that exists between the tithing of the Destiny Church and the high taxing big governments favoured by socialists.

    If Tamaki is exploiting the poor to build a monument to his own vanity, demagogues like Helen Klark and Barack (uncertified) Obama are guilty of virtually the same offence.

    There is one big difference of course.

    At least within Destiny the tithing is voluntary.

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  3. Manolo (13,514 comments) says:

    Tamaki, a crook commanding a legion of morons.

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  4. Andrei (2,531 comments) says:

    Why the interest the goings on in a tiny sect of christian heretics?

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  5. TheContrarian (1,081 comments) says:

    “Why the interest the goings on in a tiny sect of christian heretics?”

    Because Tamaki is relatively high profile and there seems to be a large personality cult emerging.

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  6. Andrei (2,531 comments) says:

    Because Tamaki is relatively high profile

    Why is he high profile?

    Because the media give him attention. Duh

    Can you without looking it up put a name to the Catholic Bishop of Auckland and/or the Anglican Bishop of Auckland?

    or your own local Bishops if not from Auckland?

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  7. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    “Why the interest the goings on in a tiny sect of christian heretics?”
    Because Tamaki’s OTT nonsense helps to discredit all organised religion, and thus furthers more rational approaches to human affairs.

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  8. Griff (6,989 comments) says:

    Its all explained here in pretty little pictures suitable for the intellect of a conservonutter
    http://theoatmeal.com/comics/religion
    :lol:

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  9. bc (1,344 comments) says:

    “Tamaki has called on church members to contribute $1000 each to help renovate the warehouse that will house church facilities, including a school.”

    Taxpayer funded Brian Tamaki Destiny Church charter school??

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  10. Kimble (4,405 comments) says:

    Why the interest the goings on in a tiny sect of christian heretics?

    So the mass suicides dont blind side us.

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  11. Rex Widerstrom (5,327 comments) says:

    I wonder what this new City of God will be called? Brianville?

    I see Kimble is thinking along the same lines as myself. I was going to say Tamakitown.

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  12. Steve (North Shore) (4,519 comments) says:

    Oh goody, Destiny is infighting, just like another outfit we know.
    Keep it up Liarbour

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  13. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    It always amazes me that critics of the Bishop never seem to twig to the obvious paralell that exists between the tithing of the Destiny Church and the high taxing big governments favoured by socialists.

    If Tamaki is exploiting the poor to build a monument to his own vanity, demagogues like Helen Klark and Barack (uncertified) Obama are guilty of virtually the same offence.

    Red, there is a big difference. Clark & Obama take their money by force of law. Tamaki takes donations.

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  14. scrubone (3,081 comments) says:

    This is not exactly news. Destiny has been shedding members and leadership as fast as Tamaki’s personality cult has been growing.

    The problem is that, when he does move to a full-blown cult, there still will probably be some people left.

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  15. BlairM (2,304 comments) says:

    Why the interest the goings on in a tiny sect of christian heretics?

    Well if Destiny and the Catholic Church had a pissing contest for deviation from sound biblical theology, I’m not entirely sure Destiny would win.

    I’m actually less unsympathetic to Destiny these days than I used to be. I think they demand a little too much of their parishoners, but I don’t see anything inherently unbiblical about Tamaki’s plans. As long as people aren’t going into debt or starving themselves to contribute, I think it’s fine. I’d rather those people were involved in the church than out committing crime or wasting away on alcohol and drugs.

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  16. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    I think people use the word rational as a front for their own interpretation of what it means. Belief is belief as is the belief of a multiverse which hasn’t been proven to exist. There is a comp model based on temp variances of the cmbr which is generally thought to be the energy remnant of the bang but what most people don’t realize is the cmbr is static, it can be used in any and all cosmology theories. As Sir Hoyle said “It’s there, so you put it in” Right from the start when Penzias and his partner found the cmbr it was noted to have temp variances and some cosmologists put forward that there looks to be tides or cosmic wind currents, not many people know this and the kids are not fully being taught history. Oh there is Dark flow but again we can only infer but not prove it and that is a big “What if”

    It’s just like string theory isn’t it? Unless someone out there can point me to experiments that have proven it exists then it is what it is, a theory.

    Tamaki is a crook of the worst kind, he’s given in to the physical pleasures of this world while fronting for the other.

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  17. ChardonnayGuy (1,179 comments) says:

    Fortunately, however, the sect is shrinking and losing proponents. The problem with Pentecostals is that they play follow-the-trendy-megachurch TM-minister a lot, and it helps if the megachurch TM brand has overseas clout, like Australia’s Hillsong TM Church TM. Unfortunately, the result appears to have been akin to cellular mitosis, ever-repeating and ever-smaller fission into a few large megachurch TM congregations with fewer branches.

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  18. ChardonnayGuy (1,179 comments) says:

    See, this is the problem with fundies, whether sects or pressure groups- they’re not terribly democratic, are they? At least people elected our elected representatives, instead of the ‘divinely annointed’ and unchallengeable leadership of Messrs Bob McCoskrie, Colin Craig, Ken Orr, Tamaki et al. Who voted for Brian? (qv Scribe) And when Glorious Leader crashes and burns due to a financial or sex scandal, so does their pressure group. Or dies, for that matter. Look at the Society for Promotion of Community Standards and recall its heyday under SM Nun Pat Bartlett in the seventies.

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  19. RRM (9,633 comments) says:

    Gay marriage bill must have been quite lucrative for Ayatollah Tamaki, providing a renewed homosexual scourge for him to rouse his rabble against…?

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  20. Redbaiter (7,981 comments) says:

    Hey Chutney-

    Pot kettle black.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8228307/Committee-menacing-to-anti-gay-teenager

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  21. ChardonnayGuy (1,179 comments) says:

    Oh boo hoo, Reddy. I seem to remember one or two theocratic “Christian Reconstructionist”/theonomist types calling for the execution of lesbians and gay men during the Homosexual Law Reform debate of the mid-eighties.

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  22. Redbaiter (7,981 comments) says:

    So on the basis of allegations of previous uncivil behaviour, you endorse the present committee’s actions and consider them justified.

    Obviously you have no principles.

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