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		<title>By: Sam Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/antigua_vs_us.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088740</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;These matters are highly complex&quot;

&quot;the Antiguans are takin’ de piss man&quot;

So is it complex, in accordance with your first statement, or simplistic, in accordance with your second?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;These matters are highly complex&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;the Antiguans are takin’ de piss man&#8221;</p>
<p>So is it complex, in accordance with your first statement, or simplistic, in accordance with your second?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/antigua_vs_us.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088739</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Astounding that the US is trying to make Antigua look like the bad guys when they are simply acting in accordance with trade laws. And also astounding that it&#039;s been ten years since the case began and the US is still trying to bully their way out of following the rules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astounding that the US is trying to make Antigua look like the bad guys when they are simply acting in accordance with trade laws. And also astounding that it&#8217;s been ten years since the case began and the US is still trying to bully their way out of following the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: thedavincimode</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/antigua_vs_us.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088567</link>
		<dc:creator>thedavincimode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 05:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[cha

That was just a Clint Eastwood movie.  Don&#039;t let anyone tell you different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cha</p>
<p>That was just a Clint Eastwood movie.  Don&#8217;t let anyone tell you different.</p>
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		<title>By: Yoza</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/antigua_vs_us.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088564</link>
		<dc:creator>Yoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 05:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[US exceptionalism is the norm. What the US says; goes. This is called the &#039;democratic&#039; process.

 Heh, favourite comment of the day: kowtow at 1:10 pm-

 &lt;i&gt;&quot;trying to make the USA out to be some evil behemoth over this is more bigotry.

These matters are highly complex .

If you ask me the Antiguans are takin’ de piss man.Do dey really tink internet gamblin’ is anythin’ odder dan a scam,fleecin’idiots?

An’den dey call it an industry!Dat needs protectin’ and compo?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

 Criticising the sheer arrogance of extraordinarily powerful white people is &#039;bigotry&#039;, yet mocking the way relatively powerless non-white people speak is acceptable. Does kowtow actually comprehend how mindlessly idiotic this makes him or her appear?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US exceptionalism is the norm. What the US says; goes. This is called the &#8216;democratic&#8217; process.</p>
<p> Heh, favourite comment of the day: kowtow at 1:10 pm-</p>
<p> <i>&#8220;trying to make the USA out to be some evil behemoth over this is more bigotry.</p>
<p>These matters are highly complex .</p>
<p>If you ask me the Antiguans are takin’ de piss man.Do dey really tink internet gamblin’ is anythin’ odder dan a scam,fleecin’idiots?</p>
<p>An’den dey call it an industry!Dat needs protectin’ and compo?&#8221;</i></p>
<p> Criticising the sheer arrogance of extraordinarily powerful white people is &#8216;bigotry&#8217;, yet mocking the way relatively powerless non-white people speak is acceptable. Does kowtow actually comprehend how mindlessly idiotic this makes him or her appear?</p>
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		<title>By: cha</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/antigua_vs_us.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088448</link>
		<dc:creator>cha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 03:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has it really been been thirty years since the US invaded a small Caribbean nation.. ..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has it really been been thirty years since the US invaded a small Caribbean nation.. ..</p>
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		<title>By: berend</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/antigua_vs_us.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088428</link>
		<dc:creator>berend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 02:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DPF: &lt;i&gt;The key thing here is that Antigua won in the WTO.&lt;/i&gt;

Repeat after me: no free trade agreement with the US.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPF: <i>The key thing here is that Antigua won in the WTO.</i></p>
<p>Repeat after me: no free trade agreement with the US.</p>
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		<title>By: annie</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/antigua_vs_us.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088328</link>
		<dc:creator>annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The US has a long history of treating its obligations under trade agreements as optional, or of putting in place means by which they can be sidestepped.

Their trade treaty requirements regarding copyright in particular have the capacity to disadvantage this country.  Those of us old enough to remember the days before parallel importing of copyright material can attest to the paucity of material available for purchase.  Even in the age of downloads, many are not available to our region by legitimate means.  It would be back to the dark ages in terms of info availability.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US has a long history of treating its obligations under trade agreements as optional, or of putting in place means by which they can be sidestepped.</p>
<p>Their trade treaty requirements regarding copyright in particular have the capacity to disadvantage this country.  Those of us old enough to remember the days before parallel importing of copyright material can attest to the paucity of material available for purchase.  Even in the age of downloads, many are not available to our region by legitimate means.  It would be back to the dark ages in terms of info availability.</p>
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		<title>By: barry</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/antigua_vs_us.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088317</link>
		<dc:creator>barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The US never does anything that is not in its interests - and they ignore agreements they have if it suits them.

To be honest anyone who trusts them in matters like this need their head examined because the US will change tack as soon as it suits them.

So - those who see only good in the TPP - get real.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US never does anything that is not in its interests &#8211; and they ignore agreements they have if it suits them.</p>
<p>To be honest anyone who trusts them in matters like this need their head examined because the US will change tack as soon as it suits them.</p>
<p>So &#8211; those who see only good in the TPP &#8211; get real.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/antigua_vs_us.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088311</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;That assumes that Antigua is the only carribean country which was making money from international gambling. &quot;&lt;/i&gt;

No, it only assumes that Antigua is more adversely affected than the others in the WTO dispute. The OP mentions that it once employed 4000 people. Based upon Antigua&#039;s population (80,000) then it&#039;s possible that 4,000 is around 10% of the workforce. That is significant.

The third parties are &quot;Canada; Chinese Taipei; European Communities; Japan; Mexico; China&quot; . Doubtful it is such a big business for them. ( http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds285_e.htm )

It is telling that the US went outside the WTO to negotiate with the other parties. Clearly divide and conquer / bad faith.

Seems that Antigua is the only party trying to use the rules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;That assumes that Antigua is the only carribean country which was making money from international gambling. &#8220;</i></p>
<p>No, it only assumes that Antigua is more adversely affected than the others in the WTO dispute. The OP mentions that it once employed 4000 people. Based upon Antigua&#8217;s population (80,000) then it&#8217;s possible that 4,000 is around 10% of the workforce. That is significant.</p>
<p>The third parties are &#8220;Canada; Chinese Taipei; European Communities; Japan; Mexico; China&#8221; . Doubtful it is such a big business for them. ( <a href="http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds285_e.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds285_e.htm</a> )</p>
<p>It is telling that the US went outside the WTO to negotiate with the other parties. Clearly divide and conquer / bad faith.</p>
<p>Seems that Antigua is the only party trying to use the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: kowtow</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/antigua_vs_us.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088307</link>
		<dc:creator>kowtow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[trying to make the  USA out to be some evil behemoth over this is more bigotry.

These matters are highly complex .

If you ask me the Antiguans are takin&#039; de piss man.Do dey really tink internet gamblin&#039; is anythin&#039; odder dan a scam,fleecin&#039;idiots?

An&#039;den dey call it an industry!Dat needs protectin&#039; and compo?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trying to make the  USA out to be some evil behemoth over this is more bigotry.</p>
<p>These matters are highly complex .</p>
<p>If you ask me the Antiguans are takin&#8217; de piss man.Do dey really tink internet gamblin&#8217; is anythin&#8217; odder dan a scam,fleecin&#8217;idiots?</p>
<p>An&#8217;den dey call it an industry!Dat needs protectin&#8217; and compo?</p>
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		<title>By: Viking2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/antigua_vs_us.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088291</link>
		<dc:creator>Viking2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ahhh. Its the yanks again. quelle surpise?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahhh. Its the yanks again. quelle surpise?</p>
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		<title>By: metcalph</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/antigua_vs_us.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088289</link>
		<dc:creator>metcalph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;No, it sounds like Antigua did not accept the compensation package that the US had reached with other WTO countries. Most probably because the US reneging its WTO obigations it is of far more significance to Antigua than those other WTO countries&lt;/i&gt;

That assumes that Antigua is the only carribean country which was making money from international gambling.  Something I find hard to believe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No, it sounds like Antigua did not accept the compensation package that the US had reached with other WTO countries. Most probably because the US reneging its WTO obigations it is of far more significance to Antigua than those other WTO countries</i></p>
<p>That assumes that Antigua is the only carribean country which was making money from international gambling.  Something I find hard to believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/antigua_vs_us.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088279</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Antigua turned down a compensation package that the US had reached with other WTO countries? Sounds like Antigua isn’t negotiating in good faith.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

No, it sounds like Antigua did not accept the compensation package that the US had reached &lt;i&gt;with other WTO countries&lt;/i&gt;. Most probably because the US reneging its WTO obigations it is of far more significance to Antigua than those &lt;i&gt;other WTO countries&lt;/i&gt;.

The only bad faith I can see is from the US.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Antigua turned down a compensation package that the US had reached with other WTO countries? Sounds like Antigua isn’t negotiating in good faith.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>No, it sounds like Antigua did not accept the compensation package that the US had reached <i>with other WTO countries</i>. Most probably because the US reneging its WTO obigations it is of far more significance to Antigua than those <i>other WTO countries</i>.</p>
<p>The only bad faith I can see is from the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Sidey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sidey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian Harmer 11:24 am Says: 
“Australia lost the NZ case on apples access, and they have done the right thing and now allowed access.” … but not in     Tasmania or South Australia, and I saw no NZ apples in any supermarkets in Victoria or Queensland in the last month …

Wouldn&#039;t this be a case of importer/retailer choice? Just because NZ won the right to export apples to Australia, doesn&#039;t mean Coles/ Woolies etc have to stock them if they think their customers won&#039;t buy them. The &quot;buy SA&quot; promotion is pretty strong in South Australia, the other states may have similar? The WTO victory may have a hollow ring to it, although in the long run, supermarkets are pretty ruthless about margin so price will the ultimate determinant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Harmer 11:24 am Says:<br />
“Australia lost the NZ case on apples access, and they have done the right thing and now allowed access.” … but not in     Tasmania or South Australia, and I saw no NZ apples in any supermarkets in Victoria or Queensland in the last month …</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t this be a case of importer/retailer choice? Just because NZ won the right to export apples to Australia, doesn&#8217;t mean Coles/ Woolies etc have to stock them if they think their customers won&#8217;t buy them. The &#8220;buy SA&#8221; promotion is pretty strong in South Australia, the other states may have similar? The WTO victory may have a hollow ring to it, although in the long run, supermarkets are pretty ruthless about margin so price will the ultimate determinant.</p>
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		<title>By: metcalph</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/antigua_vs_us.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088265</link>
		<dc:creator>metcalph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Are you serious?&lt;/i&gt; 

Yes

&lt;i&gt;US unilaterally ignores an international obligation and WTO decision&lt;/i&gt;

Whatever the US may have done, it has not ignored its international obligation.  It has repudiated its obligation and sought to compensate those adversely affected by the repudiation.  Repudiation is lawful under international law.  By way of example, Bolivia repudiated the treaty which required it to ban cocoa leaf (it later rejoined the very same treaty with a reservation that the band should not apply to cocoa leaf).

&lt;i&gt;and a country that simply wants the US to honour its obligations and the WTO decision isn’t acting in good faith?&lt;/i&gt;

Holding out for the end of a gambling ban is not acting in good faith.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Are you serious?</i> </p>
<p>Yes</p>
<p><i>US unilaterally ignores an international obligation and WTO decision</i></p>
<p>Whatever the US may have done, it has not ignored its international obligation.  It has repudiated its obligation and sought to compensate those adversely affected by the repudiation.  Repudiation is lawful under international law.  By way of example, Bolivia repudiated the treaty which required it to ban cocoa leaf (it later rejoined the very same treaty with a reservation that the band should not apply to cocoa leaf).</p>
<p><i>and a country that simply wants the US to honour its obligations and the WTO decision isn’t acting in good faith?</i></p>
<p>Holding out for the end of a gambling ban is not acting in good faith.</p>
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		<title>By: thedavincimode</title>
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		<dc:creator>thedavincimode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Antigua turned down a compensation package that the US had reached with other WTO countries.  Sounds like Antigua isn’t negotiating in good faith.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are you serious?  US unilaterally ignores an international obligation and WTO decision and a country that simply wants the US to honour its obligations and the WTO decision isn&#039;t acting in good faith?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Antigua turned down a compensation package that the US had reached with other WTO countries.  Sounds like Antigua isn’t negotiating in good faith.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you serious?  US unilaterally ignores an international obligation and WTO decision and a country that simply wants the US to honour its obligations and the WTO decision isn&#8217;t acting in good faith?</p>
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		<title>By: nasska</title>
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		<dc:creator>nasska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This should serve as a warning over any expectations we have for a TPP agreement with the USA.  Goodbye Pharmac, no access for farm products.....hello draconian copyright protection &amp; everything that can turn a profit owned by American interests.

We should know by now that worthwhile trade treaties with the US are a chimera.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should serve as a warning over any expectations we have for a TPP agreement with the USA.  Goodbye Pharmac, no access for farm products&#8230;..hello draconian copyright protection &amp; everything that can turn a profit owned by American interests.</p>
<p>We should know by now that worthwhile trade treaties with the US are a chimera.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Harmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Harmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Australia lost the NZ case on apples access, and they have done the right thing and now allowed access.&quot; ... but not in Tasmania or South Australia, and I saw no NZ apples in any supermarkets in Victoria or Queensland in the last month ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Australia lost the NZ case on apples access, and they have done the right thing and now allowed access.&#8221; &#8230; but not in Tasmania or South Australia, and I saw no NZ apples in any supermarkets in Victoria or Queensland in the last month &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: krazykiwi</title>
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		<dc:creator>krazykiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t stand gambling - it&#039;s a tax on stupidity. But good on A&amp;B for proactively building a industry to support their tiny country. The US bully tactics will no-doubt be driven by their local gaming industry seeing spending go offshore and lobbying aggressively. Much like the media and entertainment industries have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t stand gambling &#8211; it&#8217;s a tax on stupidity. But good on A&amp;B for proactively building a industry to support their tiny country. The US bully tactics will no-doubt be driven by their local gaming industry seeing spending go offshore and lobbying aggressively. Much like the media and entertainment industries have.</p>
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		<title>By: metcalph</title>
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		<dc:creator>metcalph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Antigua turned down a compensation package that the US had reached with other WTO countries?  Sounds like Antigua isn&#039;t negotiating in good faith.]]></description>
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