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	<title>Comments on: Compulsory helmets for quad bikes</title>
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		<title>By: Dazzaman</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/compulsory_helmets_for_quad_bikes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1074321</link>
		<dc:creator>Dazzaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 04:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having flicked around on these things for a few years on the nursery &amp; occasionally while fencing, they&#039;re not dangerous if you know what you&#039;re doing.....it&#039;s common sense really.  As Camryn points out, those 3 wheelers were dodgy as....you had to lean out while cornering too, just not right!

Roll cages make them a nuisance &amp; unusable for carrying stuff on them.  Helmets?  The young blokes wouldn&#039;t wear them....what can you do?  Belts?  A hazard that would pin you in the rare event of a roll.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having flicked around on these things for a few years on the nursery &amp; occasionally while fencing, they&#8217;re not dangerous if you know what you&#8217;re doing&#8230;..it&#8217;s common sense really.  As Camryn points out, those 3 wheelers were dodgy as&#8230;.you had to lean out while cornering too, just not right!</p>
<p>Roll cages make them a nuisance &amp; unusable for carrying stuff on them.  Helmets?  The young blokes wouldn&#8217;t wear them&#8230;.what can you do?  Belts?  A hazard that would pin you in the rare event of a roll.</p>
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		<title>By: pq</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/compulsory_helmets_for_quad_bikes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1074307</link>
		<dc:creator>pq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 04:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[they need roll cages]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they need roll cages</p>
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		<title>By: Colville</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/compulsory_helmets_for_quad_bikes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1073869</link>
		<dc:creator>Colville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;They generally replaced the Landrovers &amp; two wheel farm bikes.
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nasska, you forgot to mention that other antiquated concept..... walking!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They generally replaced the Landrovers &amp; two wheel farm bikes.
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<p>nasska, you forgot to mention that other antiquated concept&#8230;.. walking!</p>
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		<title>By: Camryn</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/compulsory_helmets_for_quad_bikes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1073859</link>
		<dc:creator>Camryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 16:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Three wheelers were pretty common for a while too... now *those* were death traps. Going downhill you either stayed dead straight or the back would just go over the front wheel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three wheelers were pretty common for a while too&#8230; now *those* were death traps. Going downhill you either stayed dead straight or the back would just go over the front wheel.</p>
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		<title>By: nasska</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/compulsory_helmets_for_quad_bikes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1073810</link>
		<dc:creator>nasska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LR&amp;C

...&quot; when did they first start appearing? What did they replace?&quot;......

In the early/mid 80&#039;s they were gaining real market penetration although they were fairly low powered &amp; uncomfortable.   Early models were only 2WD but developments &amp; innovations happened quickly.

They generally replaced the Landrovers &amp; two wheel farm bikes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LR&amp;C</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8221; when did they first start appearing? What did they replace?&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>In the early/mid 80&#8242;s they were gaining real market penetration although they were fairly low powered &amp; uncomfortable.   Early models were only 2WD but developments &amp; innovations happened quickly.</p>
<p>They generally replaced the Landrovers &amp; two wheel farm bikes.</p>
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		<title>By: Left Right and Centre</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/compulsory_helmets_for_quad_bikes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1073805</link>
		<dc:creator>Left Right and Centre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some interesting comments from real people actually in the know....

It would be nice if the goons with lawmaking powers actually bother to listen to anyone who actually knows about quads.

How many quads are there in NZ?

And I&#039;d be interested in their history... when did they first start appearing? What did they replace?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting comments from real people actually in the know&#8230;.</p>
<p>It would be nice if the goons with lawmaking powers actually bother to listen to anyone who actually knows about quads.</p>
<p>How many quads are there in NZ?</p>
<p>And I&#8217;d be interested in their history&#8230; when did they first start appearing? What did they replace?</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/compulsory_helmets_for_quad_bikes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1073797</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 07:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bodger, if it is so superb, then there will be no need for central government to force people to use it. 

Only bad ideas require the force of the armed State to support them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bodger, if it is so superb, then there will be no need for central government to force people to use it. </p>
<p>Only bad ideas require the force of the armed State to support them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bodger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bodger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 07:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Superb concept that actually achieves something:    http://www.kaiparalifestyler.co.nz/Of_Interest.cfm?NewsID=5098]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superb concept that actually achieves something:    <a href="http://www.kaiparalifestyler.co.nz/Of_Interest.cfm?NewsID=5098" rel="nofollow">http://www.kaiparalifestyler.co.nz/Of_Interest.cfm?NewsID=5098</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/compulsory_helmets_for_quad_bikes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1073769</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 06:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there any evidence that helmets will save more lives?

How many die from head injuries alone?

Too often these laws are imposed on us in an appeal to the emotion to &quot;do something&quot; without any supporting evidence. Cycle helmets are a great example. This absurd law was imposed on us all because some grieving crazy woman&#039;s kid had a knock to the head. Actual studies show cycle helmets in a different light.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any evidence that helmets will save more lives?</p>
<p>How many die from head injuries alone?</p>
<p>Too often these laws are imposed on us in an appeal to the emotion to &#8220;do something&#8221; without any supporting evidence. Cycle helmets are a great example. This absurd law was imposed on us all because some grieving crazy woman&#8217;s kid had a knock to the head. Actual studies show cycle helmets in a different light.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve (North Shore)</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/compulsory_helmets_for_quad_bikes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1073765</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve (North Shore)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 06:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Making a Law for compulsary helmets to be worn is fine, justs costs more money.
However the helmet is useless if it has nothing to protect]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making a Law for compulsary helmets to be worn is fine, justs costs more money.<br />
However the helmet is useless if it has nothing to protect</p>
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		<title>By: Colville</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/compulsory_helmets_for_quad_bikes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1073702</link>
		<dc:creator>Colville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 04:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks nasska, always looking for new places to go for an armed wander.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks nasska, always looking for new places to go for an armed wander.</p>
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		<title>By: nasska</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/compulsory_helmets_for_quad_bikes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1073681</link>
		<dc:creator>nasska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 04:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Colville

Some cockies nearly have to get the seat of their bike surgically removed from their arse at the end of a long day.  Rough estimates for sheep &amp; beef are 10km for each hour of use.

I&#039;m not far from the Forest park but I don&#039;t share any common boundary  with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colville</p>
<p>Some cockies nearly have to get the seat of their bike surgically removed from their arse at the end of a long day.  Rough estimates for sheep &amp; beef are 10km for each hour of use.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not far from the Forest park but I don&#8217;t share any common boundary  with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Colville</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/compulsory_helmets_for_quad_bikes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1073672</link>
		<dc:creator>Colville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 03:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nasska, your farm doesnt happen to abound the Conservation Estate by any chance? :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nasska, your farm doesnt happen to abound the Conservation Estate by any chance? <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Colville</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/compulsory_helmets_for_quad_bikes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1073670</link>
		<dc:creator>Colville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 03:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nasska, I was pillion on a Honda 500 last week it was less than 3 yrs and had done 3300 hrs, I was shootiong goats for a guy and he was ferrying me about and man couild he drive that thing!

3300 hrs/3/365  = 3 hrs a day 7 days a week.  Its a lot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nasska, I was pillion on a Honda 500 last week it was less than 3 yrs and had done 3300 hrs, I was shootiong goats for a guy and he was ferrying me about and man couild he drive that thing!</p>
<p>3300 hrs/3/365  = 3 hrs a day 7 days a week.  Its a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Colville</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/compulsory_helmets_for_quad_bikes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1073652</link>
		<dc:creator>Colville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 03:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[3 very drunk adult men on the back of a quad with a young sober woman holding a 6 year old on the front lose control while driving on a gravel public road around 11.00 pm and go over a bank. Need to be locked up for a long time.

The freaking rescue chopper kept me awake but the search light they were using made us wonder if a bad bad bad man was running loose!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3 very drunk adult men on the back of a quad with a young sober woman holding a 6 year old on the front lose control while driving on a gravel public road around 11.00 pm and go over a bank. Need to be locked up for a long time.</p>
<p>The freaking rescue chopper kept me awake but the search light they were using made us wonder if a bad bad bad man was running loose!</p>
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		<title>By: nasska</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/compulsory_helmets_for_quad_bikes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1073649</link>
		<dc:creator>nasska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 03:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[KiwiGreg

I know I have to identify hazards &amp; eliminate them etc but I was lead to believe that worksafe practises &amp; safety equipment was the responsibility of the contractors.  It&#039;s no big deal in my case as the only outside contractors I use are for spreading &amp; shearing &amp; they seem to have their ducks in a row.

I will check though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KiwiGreg</p>
<p>I know I have to identify hazards &amp; eliminate them etc but I was lead to believe that worksafe practises &amp; safety equipment was the responsibility of the contractors.  It&#8217;s no big deal in my case as the only outside contractors I use are for spreading &amp; shearing &amp; they seem to have their ducks in a row.</p>
<p>I will check though.</p>
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		<title>By: Colville</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/compulsory_helmets_for_quad_bikes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1073645</link>
		<dc:creator>Colville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 03:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Darwinian solutions.
Stupid people kill themselves.
So what!
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Na its usually a badly broken leg or pelvis....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Darwinian solutions.<br />
Stupid people kill themselves.<br />
So what!
</p></blockquote>
<p>Na its usually a badly broken leg or pelvis&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: nasska</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/compulsory_helmets_for_quad_bikes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1073642</link>
		<dc:creator>nasska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 03:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[2boyz

The three wheelers were lethal.....having to lean in the opposite direction to break ground contact with the inside rear wheel when turning went against everything you were taught to do when learning to ride a bike.

One of the things overlooked when people start rabbiting on about quad safety is the amount of time farmers &amp; their employees spend on the things.  A quad off a sheep/beef farm has probably travelled 25/30,000Kms in three years....dairy farmers do considerably less but still spend a large part of their working day on the machine.  It stands to reason that there will be accidents &amp; occasional fatalities but the same can be said for the horses that preceded them.

Rollbars will get caught up in overhanging scrub &amp; seatbelts will be worse than bloody useless.  The best advice if things start to go pear shaped on a bike or quad is usually to bail off.....it&#039;s hard enough to do without having to uncouple a  seat belt at the same time.  In any case most serious injuries/fatalities are when the bike (250/300kg) comes down on top of you.

The whole half witted initiatives are being driven by idiot &#039;mummy knows best&#039; coroners &amp; public servants rubbing their slimy little hands together at the thought of being able to stick their officious noses into another aspect of business life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2boyz</p>
<p>The three wheelers were lethal&#8230;..having to lean in the opposite direction to break ground contact with the inside rear wheel when turning went against everything you were taught to do when learning to ride a bike.</p>
<p>One of the things overlooked when people start rabbiting on about quad safety is the amount of time farmers &amp; their employees spend on the things.  A quad off a sheep/beef farm has probably travelled 25/30,000Kms in three years&#8230;.dairy farmers do considerably less but still spend a large part of their working day on the machine.  It stands to reason that there will be accidents &amp; occasional fatalities but the same can be said for the horses that preceded them.</p>
<p>Rollbars will get caught up in overhanging scrub &amp; seatbelts will be worse than bloody useless.  The best advice if things start to go pear shaped on a bike or quad is usually to bail off&#8230;..it&#8217;s hard enough to do without having to uncouple a  seat belt at the same time.  In any case most serious injuries/fatalities are when the bike (250/300kg) comes down on top of you.</p>
<p>The whole half witted initiatives are being driven by idiot &#8216;mummy knows best&#8217; coroners &amp; public servants rubbing their slimy little hands together at the thought of being able to stick their officious noses into another aspect of business life.</p>
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		<title>By: KiwiGreg</title>
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		<dc:creator>KiwiGreg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 03:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;With contractors, eg spreading, cultivation, spreading are, as far as I am aware, the responsibilty lies with their employer.&quot;

It&#039;s your workplace so you can (and it seems if you are big enough will) be held accountable for contractors&#039; employees.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;With contractors, eg spreading, cultivation, spreading are, as far as I am aware, the responsibilty lies with their employer.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s your workplace so you can (and it seems if you are big enough will) be held accountable for contractors&#8217; employees.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Papa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Papa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 03:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[helmet wearing for quad bikes to be optional, as long as quad rider signs waiver to effect that in the event of incident, he/she is to be left in whatever mangled state they are found. Our Doctors and nurses have better things to do than tend to dickheads.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>helmet wearing for quad bikes to be optional, as long as quad rider signs waiver to effect that in the event of incident, he/she is to be left in whatever mangled state they are found. Our Doctors and nurses have better things to do than tend to dickheads.</p>
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