Gender in sports management

January 23rd, 2013 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Dana Johannsen reports at NZ Herald:

New Zealand’s national sport has been lambasted as a sexist institution and the “last bastion of chauvinism” after a report found women were excluded from decision-making at all levels of the game.

The NZRU has never had a female voice at the boardroom table, while of 194 board positions at provincial level, just five (two of which are on the Auckland Board) are taken by women.

The glaring imbalance prompted Dr Judy McGregor, in her former role at the Human Rights Commission, to launch a campaign late last year pushing for the inclusion of a female representative on the NZRU board.

I think on a board is a good thing, and that includes sports boards.

However I do wonder what percentage of the 150,000 or so rugby players in New Zealand are women? Anyone know?

How many men have been on the board of NZ? There appears to be one there at the moment. And what proportion of players are men?

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35 Responses to “Gender in sports management”

  1. Viking2 (11,284 comments) says:

    The previous GM of Netball was a man. (Till he couldn’t stand the backstabbing anymore). :lol:

    And there are plenty of gender mixes going on in the sports.
    You never know who’s doin whom.

    http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/37967-hockey-star-dating-richie.html

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  2. Adrian Coysh (1 comment) says:

    The NZRU has just appointed a female CFO, Jannine Mountford.

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  3. kowtow (7,961 comments) says:

    More “equality” bullshit.

    To be fair and “equal” 50% of All Blacks players should be women appointed by a board of equality.

    In Europe this shit i being forced on private property ,(trading companies),why not in all aspects of society?

    After all the goal is “equality”.

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  4. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    The Human Rights Commission? The discredited quango that should’ve been abolished long ago? Pfftttt.

    I think diversity on a board is a good thing, and that includes sports boards.

    It seems our host has been infected with the “equality” disease.

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  5. RRM (9,667 comments) says:

    Q:
    How many women phone radio sport in order to waste their time and everybody else’s having some pointless discussion about some finer point of sport, sport management, or sport gossip?

    A:
    Not very many. And there’s a lesson in that ;-)

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  6. m@tt (612 comments) says:

    “However I do wonder what percentage of the 150,000 or so rugby players in New Zealand are women? Anyone know?”

    Why does the gender ratio of board members have to have anything at all to do with the gender ratio of players? How about the gender ratio of fans? In NZ they have arguably just as big an interest in what the board does as the players do.

    If the NZRU decide they want to ensure they have female board members then let them appoint one, or two, or ten if they want and in a manner that fits their own rules, but why talk about setting a level according to some arbitrary ratio?

    [DPF: Board members are expected to have some knowledge of their organisation. In sports most board members will have been rugby players. They are a democratic representative organisation. So if 95% of their players are men, it is little surprise that most board members are men - just as most netball board members are women.]

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  7. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    After reading that I think women should be excluded and people like Dr Judy McGregor are the reason why. Sadly, they have been afforded (unearned) equality instead. That is what needs to change.

    They want special treatment and privilege based on gender. They want people appointed to positions based on gender, rather than ability . Those values are inconsistent with acting in the best interests of the people those board positions should represent. They clearly are willing to advance their own personal issues, ahead of the responsibilities of the position. It is selfish narcissistic behaviour. If that is what “women want” then the only Board they should be on is at the head of a bed.

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  8. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    Why is diversity a good thing?

    It’s a good slogan that doesn’t mean anything when you break it down

    [DPF: Because people are different. A board comprised of 10 David Farrars will not be as good as a board of 10 individuals who have different skills, experience, backgrounds and views]

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  9. Jaffa (84 comments) says:

    I agree that women should be on the NZRU board,……..when women are in the All Blacks!

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  10. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    I agree with Andrei. The traditional definition of diversity being thinking style and experience is fine, but the modern interpretation is one of gender and ethnicity quota’s which suits the liberal agenda, but not necessarily the institution being governed.

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  11. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    DPF – why do you give these fuckwits oxygen…..???

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  12. thedavincimode (6,591 comments) says:

    WTF??

    Isn’t the long esteemed role of bringing a plate sufficient? That’s the problem with this country. People just keep on wanting more. Presumably the decrepid old bag thinks first home buyers should be able to move in to Remuera mansions.

    Let the wimen stick with the cheerios – they do it best.

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  13. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Most women are not into this feminist social engineering, though like anyone else, they will take advantage of any opportunites offered. The reason there are not many women in those roles is to do with their interest and ability. Not because they are excluded. A motivated and capable women would be at an advantage, as they would probably love to have a woman on the board and it is always a good look in todays PC environment. Even better if she was dark skinned with a disability (other than being a stupid bitch).

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  14. Jack5 (4,909 comments) says:

    Is McGregor concerned about departments of feminist studies in universities when there are no departments of masculine studies (and nor should there be)?

    The feminism wave is last century. We now have more women graduates, schools oriented in favour of girls, TV news dumbed down to (mainly mediocre) dolly birds. The world is stacked against young men. Time to fight back!

    When will we get a Government with the balls (or the feminine equivalent) to eliminate the Human Rights Commission,the Race Relations Commission, and the other busybody bludgers that are the legacy of Christian Socialism (as opposed to Marxism), which is where Labour came from. Christianity has been almost pushed out of our society. Let’s now sweep away its barren political offshoots.

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  15. Cato (1,095 comments) says:

    The bigger question is this: the NZRU is a private entity – an incoporated society that is nothing more than an agglomeration of private citizens who share an interest in rugby union. Why on earth should the HRC – an organ of the state – have the power to dictate how a private club appoints its officers. Isn’t freedom of association protected by section 17 of the Bill of Rights Act?

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  16. radvad (704 comments) says:

    If these people really wanted gender equality in sport they would demand equal performance for equal pay in the tennis majors. That is an example of gross inequality and their silence is deafening which only goes to confirm their hypocrisy and gender bias.

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  17. radvad (704 comments) says:

    ” Christianity has been almost pushed out of our society. Let’s now sweep away its barren political offshoots.”

    Good idea. Lets start with the welfare state.

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  18. Jaffa (84 comments) says:

    I believe in equality.

    I would like to see Federer playing Sharapova!

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  19. Left Right and Centre (2,887 comments) says:

    If we’re waiting for some poor shit to find out first that way too much comonsense can make your head pop off, I’d be very worried if I was you Kea. *v-e-r-y worried*… hehehe

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  20. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I agree with Jaffa. I want equality in sport.

    There should not be separate competitions for women. Women should make the grade, competing with men, in ALL sports. This will effectively wipe out womens participation in top level sport, but it is “equality”. If Dr Judy McGregor had any credibility she would be demanding that. But of course she is not wanting equality at all, same as most feminist harpies are not. She is not even pro-women, she is simply anti-men.

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  21. hubbers (230 comments) says:

    Something else that has been bugging me for a while is how in the All Blacks the back three often take more than their share of the tries. It’s not like they do more work or are more deserving of the tries. I mean ask yourself does Julian Savea really need three tries in a single test? Why can’t he just have one and then two can go to the hard working forwards. If anything backs like Julian Savea, Cory Jane and Israel Dagg are taking credit for the hard work of the forward class.

    In future all tries should be shared equally between all of the players.

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  22. Left Right and Centre (2,887 comments) says:

    Jaffa-

    You’d like to see Federer doing Sharapova? Oooo… *playing* Sharapova. Sorry, my bad.

    Cos I’d want tickets to that on Rod Laver Arena… youknowwhatI’msayin!! See some long rallies…. break point…. game, set and match to… well, love is a game where both players win. Sharapova shrieks would be something biblical!!

    NZRFU certainly could use some more bra wearing brass. I suggest Georgina Beyer.

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  23. Fentex (909 comments) says:

    I agree that women should be on the NZRU board,……..when women are in the All Blacks!

    I suggest another, seeing as how it’s picking an arbitrary standard, idea – make the proportion equivalent to the proportion of games won by Womens teams compared to Mens.

    Oh look, the NZ Womens Rugby team wins a higher proportion of games than the Mens therefore it only makes sense more women than men should be on the board.

    Obviously there’s a lot of logical fallacies in this sort of thinking, as there are obviously entrenched attitudes that marginalise womens participation in decision making.

    Care or not if one pleases but don’t try and pretend it’s a just situation on the basis of fatuous self serving selective justifications.

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  24. Nigel Kearney (921 comments) says:

    Words fail me really. This is even more of a joke than the Gareth Morgan thing with cats. They want people with experience in rugby and experience in management. Nearly all suitable candidates are men. Women being involved in rugby now is irrelevant unless they can travel back in time and get involved during the 80s then spend 30 years acquiring the experience that male board candidates already have. If there is a specific example of a female candidate losing out to a less qualified male candidate then let’s have it.

    Farrar’s diversity argument is even sillier – diversity of skills and opinions has nothing much to do with diversity of sex organs. In fact it is sexist to suggest they are necessarily related.

    As for women playing for the All Blacks, don’t forget that age and disability are also prohibited grounds for discrimination. So you would need a geriatric flanker in a wheelchair as well.

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  25. peterwn (3,215 comments) says:

    Reminds me of a cartoon depicting a high powered womens meeting in the early 2000′s. In attendance were Helen Clark, Jenny Shipley, Dame Cath Tizard, Dame Sian Elias, Margaret Wilson, etc. Their objective – to have a female All Black captain elected.

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  26. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Fentex, where is the “arbitrary standard” in selecting on ability and ambition rather than gender ?

    Shall we “force” women to sit on boards, even if they do not want to, even if they have no ability ?

    Your a woman, or a broken feminised man, with that kind of logic. Either way, we don’t want people like you in any position of influence. Fuck you cry-baby.

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  27. lcmortensen (38 comments) says:

    Quick Google search: in New Zealand, 7% of rugby players are female according to the NZRU. If there are 150,000 rugby players, that’s 10,500 females.

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  28. CharlieBrown (927 comments) says:

    Judy McGregor and her whole portfolio should be axed. She is an idealist socialist pig.

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  29. big bruv (13,571 comments) says:

    “Oh look, the NZ Womens Rugby team wins a higher proportion of games than the Mens therefore it only makes sense more women than men should be on the board.”

    Typical socialist point of view.

    What they should do is look at how much money the NZRU and NZC spend on the female version of our winter and summer games compared to how much money those female teams bring in. I would wager that the chicks bring in nothing at all. The cost of funding bloody ordinary female rugby players and even more ordinary female cricketers is horrendous.

    Given that rugby and cricket are now a business at the top level then there is a really good argument for any board to recommend that the national bodies do away with the shelia all blacks and the shelia blackcaps.

    A few years ago I was involved in cricket administration at a fairly high level, the demands from the females were never ending. They wanted everything that the mens team had and did not care what the cost was. When I pointed out that they (the chicks) did not generate one cent of revenue from the female game and therefore we could not justify spending any more on them they became extremely abusive.

    The reality is that virtually nobody would cross the road to watch chicks play rugby or cricket other than for the one off novelty value, once those who did go and watch had stopped laughing they would soon realise that the standard is crap and not bother going again.

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  30. big bruv (13,571 comments) says:

    “Reminds me of a cartoon depicting a high powered womens meeting in the early 2000′s. In attendance were Helen Clark, Jenny Shipley, Dame Cath Tizard, Dame Sian Elias, Margaret Wilson, etc. Their objective – to have a female All Black captain elected.”

    I thought they succeeded. Do you not remember Ruben Thorne or Todd Blackadder?

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  31. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Judy McGregor and her whole portfolio should be axed.

    Q. What Key’s National Party is waiting for?
    A. To grow a pair and muster the political courage and spine that badly lacks.

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  32. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    An interesting article about wimen on wimen:
    http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_21715551/nicholas-d-kristof-women-dont-do-that-much?source=rss

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  33. V (694 comments) says:

    This PC freight train just won’t derail.

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  34. gump (1,553 comments) says:

    Q. What is the difference between the All Blacks and the Black Ferns?

    A. The Black Ferns have won all four of their last four World Cup tournaments whereas the All Blacks have won only one.

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  35. Fentex (909 comments) says:

    where is the “arbitrary standard” in selecting on ability and ambition rather than gender ?

    The argument that men play for the All Blacks therefore men should be on the NZRFU board is the arbitrary standard. There’s no logical connection between those two points, and I was satirising that thinking.

    You choose the best team for the All Blacks (which isn’t always just the best players, we want the best combination and team) and I’d hope the NZRFU does the same for it’s board.

    But I’m fairly confident that it isn’t as true of selecting a board as it is a sports team that gets judged on the field by it’s wins and losses. It’s much harder to quantify the work of a board and a there’s a lot more room for prejudices to sway decisions.

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