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		<title>By: Griff</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_12_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1077843</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Here goes Griff again with his “computer models” designed &amp; programmed by those who are paid on the basis the models are real. They are not.&quot;

Here goes kea again squawky the illogical 

Moron :   Its not a computer modal kea its the  slope on the temperature record you know when they get temperatures graph them and see if they are going up

Luddite: computer models to advanced for you kea they should do them on abacus ...eh.....

Idiot:      If its a modal Kea  they are not real if they were they wouldn&#039;t be modals 

He just proved he does not know what a modal is  Is the diferece between graphing the old temperatures and projecting the future temperatures to hard for him to cope with?.
Still according to kea we should not spend money on computer modals he much prefers the old chicken entrails method of forecasting.

Kea KB&#039;s Luddite moron telling us  science is  a waste of money and  using computers in science is wrong]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Here goes Griff again with his “computer models” designed &amp; programmed by those who are paid on the basis the models are real. They are not.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here goes kea again squawky the illogical </p>
<p>Moron :   Its not a computer modal kea its the  slope on the temperature record you know when they get temperatures graph them and see if they are going up</p>
<p>Luddite: computer models to advanced for you kea they should do them on abacus &#8230;eh&#8230;..</p>
<p>Idiot:      If its a modal Kea  they are not real if they were they wouldn&#8217;t be modals </p>
<p>He just proved he does not know what a modal is  Is the diferece between graphing the old temperatures and projecting the future temperatures to hard for him to cope with?.<br />
Still according to kea we should not spend money on computer modals he much prefers the old chicken entrails method of forecasting.</p>
<p>Kea KB&#8217;s Luddite moron telling us  science is  a waste of money and  using computers in science is wrong</p>
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		<title>By: Manolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A known Europhile speaks: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261218/Lord-Heseltine-urges-David-Cameron-caution-EU-referendum.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A known Europhile speaks: <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261218/Lord-Heseltine-urges-David-Cameron-caution-EU-referendum.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261218/Lord-Heseltine-urges-David-Cameron-caution-EU-referendum.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_12_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1077660</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here goes Griff again with his &quot;computer models&quot; designed &amp; programmed by those who are paid on the basis the models are real. They are not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here goes Griff again with his &#8220;computer models&#8221; designed &amp; programmed by those who are paid on the basis the models are real. They are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then we have the no trend since 1998 rubbish

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.skepticalscience.com/trend-fr.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Trend calculator&lt;/a&gt;
Have a play Find the no warming 
If they were true skeptics they would close one avenue of dispute if it was proven wrong
The writers of the climate echo chamber are well aware there is a statistically significant trend .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then we have the no trend since 1998 rubbish</p>
<p><a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/trend-fr.php" rel="nofollow">Trend calculator</a><br />
Have a play Find the no warming<br />
If they were true skeptics they would close one avenue of dispute if it was proven wrong<br />
The writers of the climate echo chamber are well aware there is a statistically significant trend .</p>
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		<title>By: SPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes Griff, there is no longer a continuing increase in (upward trend) in solar activity. This should allow some attempt to quantify more accurately what the man made rate of temperature increase is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Griff, there is no longer a continuing increase in (upward trend) in solar activity. This should allow some attempt to quantify more accurately what the man made rate of temperature increase is.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[spc
We do no how much is man made and how much is the sun
The solar output has been stable then declining since the seventy&#039;s
If the solar output has not been going up the warming since 1970 can only be caused by co2
For what its worth we know that sun activity was responsible for some of the MWP

http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spc<br />
We do no how much is man made and how much is the sun<br />
The solar output has been stable then declining since the seventy&#8217;s<br />
If the solar output has not been going up the warming since 1970 can only be caused by co2<br />
For what its worth we know that sun activity was responsible for some of the MWP</p>
<p><a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Azeraph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Azeraph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kea (1,567) Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 10:05 pm 

Great book, especially about weather forecasting, gets a bit silly over baseball and Obama&#039;s 2008 election but it gave me an insight into statistics and predictions and the link towards how we want the future to be as opposed to how it actually turns out.

It&#039;s American, be prepared.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kea (1,567) Says:<br />
January 12th, 2013 at 10:05 pm </p>
<p>Great book, especially about weather forecasting, gets a bit silly over baseball and Obama&#8217;s 2008 election but it gave me an insight into statistics and predictions and the link towards how we want the future to be as opposed to how it actually turns out.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s American, be prepared.</p>
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		<title>By: Tauhei Notts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tauhei Notts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The new religion is global warming, and I don&#039;t like that religion.
I am a christian nut.
Tomorrow I am going to Thames trots and will play the part of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus came to judge the quick and the dead.
Our horse, who finished 107 lengths behind Tommiray last Sunday, will be racing.  
He will either be quick or he will be dead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new religion is global warming, and I don&#8217;t like that religion.<br />
I am a christian nut.<br />
Tomorrow I am going to Thames trots and will play the part of our Lord Jesus Christ.<br />
Jesus came to judge the quick and the dead.<br />
Our horse, who finished 107 lengths behind Tommiray last Sunday, will be racing.<br />
He will either be quick or he will be dead.</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Have you read “The signal and the noise, The art of science and prediction” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, but I might. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Have you read “The signal and the noise, The art of science and prediction” </p></blockquote>
<p>No, but I might. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SPC, long term climate forecasts are like long term economic forecasts. There are too many variables and unknowns.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPC, long term climate forecasts are like long term economic forecasts. There are too many variables and unknowns.</p>
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		<title>By: Azeraph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Azeraph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kea (1,565) Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 9:40 pm 

Don&#039;t blame the weathermen, they try their best and it&#039;s getting better each year since the first man who thought about trying to predict it from WW1.

Have you read &quot;The signal and the noise, The art of science and prediction&quot;

It&#039;s a specialized game of hit and miss and no one, and i mean no one can give us the time and date and the total amount of literage of rain that will fall on any given day a year from now.

Unless someone can state that they have a comp model that can track every particle in the atmosphere we don&#039;t have anything that can properly predict certain weather patterns anywhere and since we are now experiencing extreme weather events it&#039;s just going to make it harder.

We&#039;re getting better though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kea (1,565) Says:<br />
January 12th, 2013 at 9:40 pm </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t blame the weathermen, they try their best and it&#8217;s getting better each year since the first man who thought about trying to predict it from WW1.</p>
<p>Have you read &#8220;The signal and the noise, The art of science and prediction&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a specialized game of hit and miss and no one, and i mean no one can give us the time and date and the total amount of literage of rain that will fall on any given day a year from now.</p>
<p>Unless someone can state that they have a comp model that can track every particle in the atmosphere we don&#8217;t have anything that can properly predict certain weather patterns anywhere and since we are now experiencing extreme weather events it&#8217;s just going to make it harder.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re getting better though.</p>
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		<title>By: SPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kea, those failed forecasts show that a little knowledge multiplied by arrogance concludes with a misjudgement. 

A prudent man would say that 

1. warming in the Arctic could/would allow navigation in summertime. 
2. global warming impacts on climate, but climate systems are complex and the outcomes are variable around the world. Historic weather patterns could/would be affected.  

So with this in mind, we can note that there is man-made warming and the extent of this compared to other warming (uncreased solar cycle activity) is uncertain. This complicates effort to identify the extent to which human activity is warming the globe and thus problematic to forecasting future impact - or quantify what we would have to do to slow the rate of warming.  

We don&#039;t even know if the increasing solar activity of recent times will continue. Having identified it as a factor, it is also now a factor in forecasting global temperature. 

The other variable factor is volcanic activity and smog levels causing cooling (is there more smog than in the past and if so, what impact is it having - especially as Chinese/Indian production increases).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kea, those failed forecasts show that a little knowledge multiplied by arrogance concludes with a misjudgement. </p>
<p>A prudent man would say that </p>
<p>1. warming in the Arctic could/would allow navigation in summertime.<br />
2. global warming impacts on climate, but climate systems are complex and the outcomes are variable around the world. Historic weather patterns could/would be affected.  </p>
<p>So with this in mind, we can note that there is man-made warming and the extent of this compared to other warming (uncreased solar cycle activity) is uncertain. This complicates effort to identify the extent to which human activity is warming the globe and thus problematic to forecasting future impact &#8211; or quantify what we would have to do to slow the rate of warming.  </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t even know if the increasing solar activity of recent times will continue. Having identified it as a factor, it is also now a factor in forecasting global temperature. </p>
<p>The other variable factor is volcanic activity and smog levels causing cooling (is there more smog than in the past and if so, what impact is it having &#8211; especially as Chinese/Indian production increases).</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SPC, yes man does have an effect on climate. But it is very small.

Weathermen have a sorry history of getting it wrong. It is not really science, its guessing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPC, yes man does have an effect on climate. But it is very small.</p>
<p>Weathermen have a sorry history of getting it wrong. It is not really science, its guessing.</p>
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		<title>By: Viking2</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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Record temperatures are being recorded across the country with the mercury still rising.

Hot hot hot ... New high temperatures are being recorded across the country. Photo: Greg Wood

A new temperature high for the great heatwave cooking much of the continent has been set with Moomba clocking up 49.6 degrees today.

    Regions &#039;primed to go&#039;
    Fire dangers far from over

The scorching conditions, which saw the mercury peak at 3.42pm, local time, at the remote South Australian gas region, also sent temperatures soaring in other parts of the eastern interior. The 49.6 reading is the highest for the location and the hottest recorded during the fortnight-long heat spell.

Other temperatures of note today include the north-western NSW town of Bourke, which hit 48.3, while Birdsville on the Queensland section of Corner Country touched 48.6 degrees.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/new-high-reached-during-great-heatwave-20130112-2cmbw.html#ixzz2HkSRv0Zw]]></description>
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<p>Record temperatures are being recorded across the country with the mercury still rising.</p>
<p>Hot hot hot &#8230; New high temperatures are being recorded across the country. Photo: Greg Wood</p>
<p>A new temperature high for the great heatwave cooking much of the continent has been set with Moomba clocking up 49.6 degrees today.</p>
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    Fire dangers far from over</p>
<p>The scorching conditions, which saw the mercury peak at 3.42pm, local time, at the remote South Australian gas region, also sent temperatures soaring in other parts of the eastern interior. The 49.6 reading is the highest for the location and the hottest recorded during the fortnight-long heat spell.</p>
<p>Other temperatures of note today include the north-western NSW town of Bourke, which hit 48.3, while Birdsville on the Queensland section of Corner Country touched 48.6 degrees.</p>
<p>Read more: <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/new-high-reached-during-great-heatwave-20130112-2cmbw.html#ixzz2HkSRv0Zw" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/new-high-reached-during-great-heatwave-20130112-2cmbw.html#ixzz2HkSRv0Zw</a></p>
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		<title>By: Longknives</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They are just woeful. I saw Tent Boult talking up a storm on the news the other night. Apparently he was itching to rip into the South Africans...
I see he bowled 19 overs yesterday and didn&#039;t even get a wicket.

Why can&#039;t they just keep their stupid traps shut? Why all the &#039;trash talking&#039; when you are playing the best team in the World?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are just woeful. I saw Tent Boult talking up a storm on the news the other night. Apparently he was itching to rip into the South Africans&#8230;<br />
I see he bowled 19 overs yesterday and didn&#8217;t even get a wicket.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t they just keep their stupid traps shut? Why all the &#8216;trash talking&#8217; when you are playing the best team in the World?</p>
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		<title>By: SPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kea, warming is natural, man made warming is not. 

Ozone holes are natural but human activity contriuted to them. Since we began to reduce the contribution the ozone holes are now returning to to the size they naturally were/are.  

Want to inform the writer of the blog that the ozone holes over the Antarctic break up and travel over New Zealand?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kea, warming is natural, man made warming is not. </p>
<p>Ozone holes are natural but human activity contriuted to them. Since we began to reduce the contribution the ozone holes are now returning to to the size they naturally were/are.  </p>
<p>Want to inform the writer of the blog that the ozone holes over the Antarctic break up and travel over New Zealand?</p>
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		<title>By: chiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>chiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A cartoon in The Press late last year referred to The Black Quacks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A cartoon in The Press late last year referred to The Black Quacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Longknives</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_12_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1077556</link>
		<dc:creator>Longknives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks like rain might save the Slack Caps...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like rain might save the Slack Caps&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nasska</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_12_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1077555</link>
		<dc:creator>nasska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And a pox on Wordpress &amp; their missing features. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a pox on WordPress &amp; their missing features. <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: nasska</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_12_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1077551</link>
		<dc:creator>nasska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why so you  torture yourself this way Paul?  D)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why so you  torture yourself this way Paul?  D)</p>
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