General Debate 1 January 2013 – Happy New Year

January 1st, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Ouch!

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  2. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    There’s no point in me wishing you anything, because 2013 will end up being what you make of it yourself, alongside things you (and I) can’t do anything about.

    Happiness, success and prosperity, and overcoming adversity, none of these things are given with hopes and wishes. Blogs and tweets and status updates today won’t change your future.

    Look for good, and do good, and your 2013 will be better than it otherwise would have been.

    2013 is another opportunity to enjoy life and share life.

    Your 2013 is up to nature, it is up to country wide and world wide influences, it is up to your community and your family. And it’s up to you.

    Ultimately your 2013 will be what you make of it.

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  3. Left Right and Centre (2,973 comments) says:

    Have a great 2013 people. Do your best to enjoy it.

    I’ve got a reason to like the new year… it’s the first time I’ve started a year weighing less than 90kg since….. ???? Um… 2001 maybe? My new year’s resolution is to try to look like sex on legs and get laid.

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  4. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Wow, thats dead cool LR&C, well done. Sounds similar to my journey a few years ago. Focused on kids, work and the only outlet was food and drink. Finally pulled myself back from there at 118kgs. Dropped 30 over 18 months, using the Intermittent Fasting protocol, which I highly recommend if you HATE dieting.

    My best runs now are when Im fasting. Stop eating around 2PM. Gear up around 4AM the next morning, and out into the cool night. 4 to 8 hour run, long slow distance in my own little world. Its pure magic.

    Keep the weight loss up compadre, you will feel so much better for it.

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  5. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    Happy 2013 everyone. Life is to be enjoyed to the fullest!

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  6. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    I resolved to lose weight last year. I dropped 16 kg in the first five months, but once winter struck, much of it went back on. I’m still over 7kg lighter than I was this time a year ago, and plan to continue to lose weight slowly by moderation; moderation in eating, and moderation in dieting.

    Greetings to all today, and I echo Pete’s sentiments; 2013 will be whatever each of us chooses it to be, so choose wisely :D

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  7. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    Conspiracy theories around Hillary Clinton http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hillary-clintons-illness-prompts-conspiracy-theories_692441.html

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  8. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    South Africa’s president Jacob Zuma, a lifelong communist, wearing a western suit, and looking like he’s enjoyed a few to many Big Macs chides black citizens for keeping dogs as pets because it is, apparently, trying to emulate whiteness. Idiot.

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  9. Reid (16,440 comments) says:

    These guys should talk to Matthew Reilly.

    http://gizmodo.com/5971822/archaeologists-think-hidden-imperial-tomb-may-be-too-deadly-to-explore

    A capstone in the online migration.

    http://on.aol.com/video/final-print-issue-of-newsweek-released-517626628

    Shame once you go online, you put your trust into something that someone can easily change over time, and you wouldn’t ever know.

    It’s a propagandist’s dream to have no permanent records, no physical records, no paper trail. Then they can’t be held to account and anything damaging that arises, why they just go back and softly change it once the fuss dies down and when it comes up again, why that didn’t say anything like that after all…

    And they can do all the security they want to reassure you that won’t happen, but you cannot guarantee it, the same way you can guarantee it by picking up an old copy that someone bought at the store years ago and has been in the house ever since.

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  10. David Garrett (7,270 comments) says:

    I just heard Paul Holmes being interviewed on Nat Rad…poor bastard sounds at death’s door…it was good to see “dirty dennis” get roasted again…he was a thoroughly nasty prick…

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  11. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    DG
    I saw him on TV last night and he didn’t look too good, either.

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  12. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Bugger you guys, I wish your wishes for yourself come true and if it’s losing weight then good on you or just surviving another year here in a land that is a sleeping rollercoaster then good on you. We’ve never had it better as humans and if our history has anything to say on it then it can only get better.

    The Age Divide faces us as the young move into a total online reality, Do we try to guide it or do we let it roll it’s own dice? Or is it a monster that has already broken it’s chains.

    I’am not a liberal or conservative or a greeny but a mix of all three and depending on the moment one or two facets of this might lock into place. I have watched many american associates with their election lose heart over it’s outcome and have seen them quake in their boots at the thought of losing and yet was it the whole country involved?

    I did a job for a client who turned out to be the person who set up our first department of geology at AUT, We were discussing CHCH and he told me that running to Australia won’t save anyone the only thing that one can do is get rid of your old brick chimney as this will come crashing through a house. Brilliant old bugger and a good yarn to listen to on how he became the first here, it’s not what most people would think.

    We’ve seen waterspouts and tornadoes, The former i watched from my house. We now call West harbor through to Albany in Auckland “Tornado Alley”

    I’m quite glad it’s only Bain and Kim D we have to gripe about on this new years beginning but sad at those that has lost their lives in silly accidents or trying to save others.

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  13. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    It’ sstill 2012 here. Gotta wait a few hours for my black sambuca. Oh at least until 2pm then.

    Howard Fineman on how the world views America from a Kiwi perspective. :

    http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/12/howard-fineman-from-huffington-post-in.html

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  14. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    I’ve always thought of Holmes as the thoroughly nasty prick.

    Being a “celebrity” broadcaster and wealthy ,he was well connected. Together with another wealthy celebrity type in PR,Roberts, made a big effort to change the flag of this country.Shipley was involved too.

    Maybe these media celebrities just love to throw their weight around and see how much power they have to mould the world in their own image?

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  15. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Dreaming about things doesn’t make them happen.

    If you are sure its what you want then write it down, put a date on its completion, visualize it and put pictures and words where you are reminded of you goal everyday.
    Work towards that goal in steps. Tick them off but most of all stay focussed.

    Never loose your dream and beware of dream stealers. (politicians, socialists, bankers et al).

    It works.

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  16. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    I lost 30 kgs.
    Having twins does that to you. Seriulsy though, I’ve learned more moderation over the year. Have given up coffee. All I would do is decide to have another coffee, and then I’d get started.

    It’s like the song by Afroman: But then I got high:

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  17. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    I couldn’t really stand Gnolmes. That cringe-inducing setup of Connor in Episode 1 heralded the arrival of Junk TV in New Zealand.

    His best ever moment is here though:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10784735

    Shame about his health, I hope that the rumours about the seriousness and dire nature of it have been exaggerated and that his condition improves.

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  18. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Fall Of The Republic: The Presidency Of Barack H. Obama documents how an offshore corporate cartel is bankrupting the U.S. economy by design. Leaders are now declaring that world government has arrived and that the dollar will be replaced by a new global currency. President Obama has brazenly violated Article 1 Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution by seating himself at the head of United Nations’ Security Council, thus becoming the first U.S. president to chair the world body.

    A scientific dictatorship is in its final stages of completion, and laws protecting basic human rights are being abolished worldwide; an iron curtain of high-tech tyranny is now descending over the planet. A worldwide regime controlled by an unelected corporate elite is implementing a planetary carbon tax system that will dominate all human activity and establish a system of neo-feudal slavery. The image makers have carefully packaged Obama as the world’s savior; he is the Trojan Horse manufactured to pacify the people just long enough for the globalists to complete their master plan.

    This film reveals the architecture of the New World Order and what the power elite have in store for humanity. More importantly it communicates how we the people can retake control of our government, turn the criminal tide and bring the tyrants to justice.
    http://www.infowarsshop.com/Fall-Of-The-Republic-The-Presidency-Of-Barack-H-O

    [Traitor-In-Chief Special]
    http://www.infowarsshop.com/Traitor-In-Chief-Special_p_661.html

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  19. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    I didn’t like him but his sun hasn’t set yet so in my mind he’s still the annoying Paul Holmes.

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  20. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    hinamanu
    Are you referring to this part of Article 1, section 9?
    ‘No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.’

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  21. Fletch (6,359 comments) says:

    After the shootings at Sandy Hook, celebrities got together to produce a video called Demand A Plan where they said enough is enough regarding gun violence.

    Someone has shown the ultimate HYPOCRISY of these stars by taking that video and intercutting it with clips of these very same celebrities blowing away people in ultraviolent scenes from the movies they star in.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1SZurGArxE

    How about Hollywood stop producing violence like that? How’s that for a plan? If not, then these stars should STFU.

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  22. Fletch (6,359 comments) says:

    Hmmm, what happened to the inline youtube vids?

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  23. Fletch (6,359 comments) says:

    There we go..

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  24. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    Tax them to the hilt says the Messiah: http://cdn.rollcall.com/news/obama_wants_more_revenue_next_year-220427-1.html?popular=true&pos=hln&cdn_load=true

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  25. eszett (2,408 comments) says:

    Someone has shown the ultimate HYPOCRISY of these stars by taking that video and intercutting it with clips of these very same celebrities blowing away people in ultraviolent scenes from the movies they star in.

    Unsurprisingly, Fletch has difficulty separating fiction from reality.

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  26. Fletch (6,359 comments) says:

    eszett, oh comeon.
    So the violence in Hollywood has no effect?
    Then why, after the shootings, did Hollywood cancel premières of both Jack Reacher and Django Unchained, among other Tv programmes that were replaced? Tom Cruise even removed a scene from Jack Reacher after the shootings.

    Because now and then they have a twinge of guilt about the violence they promote and they react, but it doesn’t last very long.
    If their consciences were clear, why the cancelled premières of movies that specifically have a lot of violence?

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  27. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Can anyone recommend some good honest documentaries or dramatic re-enactments that is as close to reality as it was at said time of events from last year? Balanced? or has spin taken over completely?

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  28. eszett (2,408 comments) says:

    Fletch (3,644) Says:
    January 1st, 2013 at 11:32 am

    eszett, oh comeon.
    So the violence in Hollywood has no effect?

    Fletch, oh come on.
    The widely and easily availability of firearms in the US has no effect?

    But of course, it’s the movies, the video games, etc, etc.

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  29. cha (4,008 comments) says:

    Fletch, we along with the rest of the west watch the same Hollywood tripe so we should all have similar gun death rates, shouldn’t we?.

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  30. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    From globalist magazine Time

    Barack Obama’s New World Order

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1889512,00.html

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  31. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    “Are you referring to this part of Article 1, section 9?
    ‘No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.’

    Very much so. He’s violating the constitution he swore to uphold. His immediate goal for 2013 is to rescind the second ammendment to disarm the American people rendering them harmless to the state. All dictatirs take away gun rights.

    Have you checked up on the NDAA bill?

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  32. cha (4,008 comments) says:

    It’s all here H.

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  33. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    hinamanu (1,958) Says:
    January 1st, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    You might find this interesting.

    http://rense.com/general32/americ.htm

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  34. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Welcome 2013.
    Never mind America. What about New Zealand?

    “What are you doing in defence of freedom, Justice and equality in New Zealand?
    Rephrased: “Will you sell out your Childrens future to apatheid?

    The Coming New Zealand Civil War? Constitutional Crisis.
    http://blog.eternalvigilance.me/2013/01/the-coming-new-zealand-civil-war-constitutional-crisis/

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  35. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    Fletch, we along with the rest of the west watch the same Hollywood tripe so we should all have similar gun death rates, shouldn’t we?.

    Cha- if we took places governed and populated by Progressive traitors to western civilisation like you out of the US stats, they’d be minimal.

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  36. cha (4,008 comments) says:

    I’d say the lack of good faith and political will to address the issue is the problem RB.

    http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1487470

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  37. Fletch (6,359 comments) says:

    Britain banned handguns completely after the Dunblane massacre in 1998. So what happened? Gun crime has doubled.

    After Hungerford, the British government banned semiautomatic rifles and brought shotguns—the last type of firearm that could be purchased with a simple show of fitness—under controls similar to those in place for pistols and rifles. Magazines were limited to two shells with a third in the chamber.

    Dunblane had a more dramatic impact. Hamilton had a firearm certificate, although according to the rules he should not have been granted one. A media frenzy coupled with an emotional campaign by parents of Dunblane resulted in the Firearms Act of 1998, which instituted a nearly complete ban on handguns. Owners of pistols were required to turn them in. The penalty for illegal possession of a pistol is up to 10 years in prison.

    The results have not been what proponents of the act wanted. Within a decade of the handgun ban and the confiscation of handguns from registered owners, crime with handguns had doubled according to British government crime reports. Gun crime, not a serious problem in the past, now is. Armed street gangs have some British police carrying guns for the first time. Moreover, another massacre occurred in June 2010. Derrick Bird, a taxi driver in Cumbria, shot his brother and a colleague then drove off through rural villages killing 12 people and injuring 11 more before killing himself.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323777204578195470446855466.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

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  38. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    We don’t have similar gun violence rates because 4 million does not equate to several hundred million, we may a speak similar english but really? Where does it say that we all are culturally the same and believe in the same things? How is Nz a part of the west? We can’t even upgrade our communication systems to match those in the west.

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  39. Lance (2,654 comments) says:

    @Fletch
    So you actually think fulling arming everyone in Britain would cause it’s gun fatality rate to drop?

    Tui ad.

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  40. cha (4,008 comments) says:

    Of course, it’s Hollywood that’s the problem.

    http://bangordailynews.com/2012/12/29/news/portland/biddeford-landlord-74-accused-of-fatally-shooting-two-teens/

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  41. Fletch (6,359 comments) says:

    Lance, no, but neither is a ban going to fix anything.

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  42. F E Smith (3,305 comments) says:

    Happy New Year, all.

    To start off the New Year where I left off, a link to an interesting Powerline post about a privileged Occupy Wall Street activist and his privileged girlfriend being busted in New York with highly dangerous explosives.  Just another example of the rampant criminality that personifies the OWS activist and their supporters.

    Of course, we all must remember that before Islamic terrorism became prevalent, the main perpetrators of terrorism in the West were left wing activists, so it is nice to see that nothing has really changed.

    Mind you, given the riots that the socialist/anarchist factions cause at events like the G20, it was never in question that the left will happily resort to violence when it doesn’t get its way…

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  43. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    5 yrs in Prison??? $10,000.00 fine????/ Shame!!!! He needs to be applauded!! Make this go viral!! Share!!!

    This is messed up

    Valley marine calls himself to duty at an Elementary school. Sgt. Craig Pusley wears his desert camo fatigues…no weapons…just him. Took it upon himself to go to the nearby school and stand watch outside. The school loved it. The principal thanked him. No pay..no breaks…just his heart felt need to do this. His reward? Marine Corp Reservists says he violated protocol bt wearing his fatigues and not his dress uniform in public. Facing $10,000 fine and 5 years in prison. Also getting a “dishonorable” stamp on his “honorable” discharge. He served 2 tours in iraq, in Baghdad and Ramadi. One in Helmand province of Afghanistan before leaving active duty.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4372009013254&set=a.1254870006727.2039426.1078881766&type=1&theater

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  44. cha (4,008 comments) says:

    Problem is though H, he’s bullshitting.

    In reality, Pusley graduated from boot camp at Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego but was in the service less than a year and never made it past private first class, Marine officials said. He never deployed or made it through military occupational specialty school, leaving the Corps designated a “basic Marine,” MOS 8000.

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  45. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    We can’t even upgrade our communication systems to match those in the west.

    Just wait until the Luddites win political power,when dirt and cycle roads will multiply.
    Carts and oxen will please the Gaia lovers.

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  46. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    The only celebrities with anything intelligent to say about gun control:

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  47. big bruv (13,880 comments) says:

    Some fantastic holiday viewing for fans of the Iron Lady.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNRO82QMJwQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k02IonQsQuE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwOnzPEpFAs

    I hope that John Key and Bill English watch these doco’s during their summer holidays.

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  48. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    Manolo

    Re: Carts and oxen will please the Gaia lovers.

    “Fraid not old chap. Don’t forget that in the Gaia-lover’s eyes, cattle give off CO2 and must be eliminated, so it will be humans who pull the carts (oh, wait, don’t humans also emit CO2. . . . ?)

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  49. big bruv (13,880 comments) says:

    F E Smith

    And a happy new year to you as well.

    You remain my favourite contributor to this site, while I often disagree with you I find you to be somebody that one can have a rational debate with. I hope that 2013 sees you here far more often.

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  50. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @Komata

    Just wait for the carbon taxes. They’ll be slavery

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  51. Fletch (6,359 comments) says:

    I see that Facebook is on it’s censorship prowl again. A group but up this quote from Ghandi that was enough to get it’s facebook page shut down –

    “Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.” – Mohandas Gandhi, an Autobiography, page 446.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/038484_Gandhi_quote_Facebook_censorship.html

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  52. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=477802328922053&set=a.304716152897339.67917.302986653070289&type=1&theater

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  53. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    Fletch

    To see a major part of the social media head down that path is very, very worrying. To realise that Facebook made the move calculating that they would face little organised opposition is worse.

    The efforts to get the web under the control of the UN are only beginning.

    V2

    Your link doesn’t work…..maybe it’s too late.

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  54. cha (4,008 comments) says:

    The British wanted Gandhi to be part of recruiting Indian natives for WW I although they’d been prohibited by the Indian Arms Act of ’78 from not only from the private ownership of arms but from military service. Gandhi was citing a pamphlet he had distributed.

    http://www.anesi.com/q0055.htm

    I used to issue leaflets asking people to enlist as recruits. One of the arguments I had used was distasteful to the Commissioner: ‘Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look back upon the Act depriving the whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn.

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  55. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    cha
    Thanks for providing the context that Fletch either didn’t understand or preferred to overlook.

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  56. cha (4,008 comments) says:

    Repeaters gonna repeat M.

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  57. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    mikenmild

    The way I read Fletch’s 4.45pm he was less concerned with the historical context of Gandhi’s quote than he was over the censorship of the Facebook page.

    Do you think that censorship of the facts of history, never mind interpretations, is a good thing?

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  58. cha (4,008 comments) says:

    More from Gandhi’s greatest hits.

    A general belief seems to prevail in the colony that the Indians are little better, if
    at all, than the savages or natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to
    believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to
    the position of a raw Kaffir. (Reference: The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi, Government of India (CWMG), Vol I, p. 150)

    Regarding forcible registration with the state of blacks: “One can understand the
    necessity for registration of Kaffirs who will not work. (Reference: CWMG, Vol I, p. 105)

    Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian Location should be chosen for
    dumping down all the Kaffirs of the town passes my comprehension…the Town
    Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. (Reference: CWMG, Vol I, pp. 244-245)

    Only a degree removed from the animal.” Also,
    Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized – the convicts even more so. They are troublesome,
    very dirty and live almost like animals. (Reference: CWMG, Vol VIII, pp. 135-136)

    http://www.gandhiserve.org/cwmg/cwmg.html

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  59. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    nasska
    I’m not really one for saying that any event in particular was ‘a good thing’. As for facts, without getting too post-modern, the ‘facts’ of history tend to get rewritten periodically according to the preferences of those who live in the present. So your question about censorship of the facts appears pretty meaningless to me. Did you mean the ongoing revision of history, or actual hidden evidence about historical events?

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  60. F E Smith (3,305 comments) says:

    bruv,

    thank you for your kind comment at 4.23pm. Without wanting to turn this into a mutual admiration society, can I nevertheless say that I am a big fan of yours, also, regardless of whether our views coincide.

    All the best for the New Year, and I will try to contribute more here in the coming months.

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  61. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    mikenmild

    The censorship I was referring to……” The reports are absolutely true. Facebook suspended the Natural News account earlier today after we posted an historical quote from Mohandas Gandhi”…..

    A quote from an autobiography is not a rewritten interpretation according to anyone’s preferences. It is what the man wrote during his own lifetime & try as I may I can see no justification for censoring his own words.

    They are not inflammatory……the only possible explanation is that his writings do not conform with the thoughts of the Messiah or the UN.

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  62. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    Will he do it? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/31/obama-gives-congress-pay-raise/

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  63. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    nasska
    If you want to talk about censorship of the internet, I think we would probably agree that it is a very bad thing indeed. I know nothing about this particular allegation of censorship: of what, by whom and for what reason. You might want to follow one of Fletch’s batshit-crazy links; it’s something I will not do.

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  64. cha (4,008 comments) says:

    But it wasn’t an historical quote nasska, he was citing from a British government pamphlet that he was distributing to aid the war effort.

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  65. cha (4,008 comments) says:

    Although he was rather optimistic.

    The present unrest in Russia has a great lesson for us. The Czar
    of Russia today wields the most autocratic power in the world. The
    people of Russia suffer numerous hardships.

    The poor are crushed by the weight of taxes; the soldiers put down the people, who have to
    submit to all the whims of the Czar.

    Intoxicated with power, the officers do not care for the welfare of the people. Their only function,
    they think, is to add to their own power and wealth.

    Entirely against the people’s will, the Czar declared war against Japan, causing a river
    of blood of Russian soldiers to flow. The wealth acquired by the sweat
    of thousands of labourers was thrown into the sea of Japan.

    The Russian people have suffered all this for years, but they
    have now reached the limit of their patience. They have struggled
    hard to end this tyranny, but in vain. They rose in rebellion and
    killed the Czars, but they could not secure justice.

    This time they have found another remedy which, though very simple, is more powerful
    than rebellion and murder. The Russian workers and all the other
    servants declared a general strike and stopped all work.

    They left their jobs and informed the Czar that, unless justice was done, they would
    not resume work. What was there even the Czar could do against this?
    It was quite impossible to exact work from people by force. It is not
    within the power of even the Czar of Russia to force strikers to return
    at the point of the bayonet.

    The Czar has therefore proclaimed to the people that they will be granted a share in government and that he will
    not make any laws without their consent. It is difficult to say what the
    ultimate result of this will be; but even if the Czar does not keep his
    word, it will not prove that the course adopted by the people was
    wrong.

    It will only show that the people were not firm enough in
    applying the remedy. For even the most powerful cannot rule without
    the co-operation of the ruled. If the Russian people succeed, this
    revolution in Russia will be regarded as the greatest victory, the
    greatest event of the present century.

    Indian Opinion: 11-11-1905

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  66. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    cha

    The quote did not come from a British Govt pamphlet. It was from the man’s autobiography.

    ….”

    Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.
    Mahatma Gandhi, _Gandhi, An Autobiography_, page 446
    Indian political and spiritual leader (1869 – 1948) “……

    Ref: http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/27355.html

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  67. David Garrett (7,270 comments) says:

    Cha: Assuming these quotes are accurate, and I have no reason to doubt you, this is another interesting example of how history is rewritten, and those whom it suits can be lionized..even one of my personal heroes, Winston Churchill, was on record as praising both Mussolini and Hitler at various times. Far better to admit human frailty of judgment- particularly premature judgment – rather than ban quotes that don’t fit some later image…

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  68. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    David
    We are talking about two issues here. One is easily disposed of – Fletch’s ravings about censoring Facebook. The other is much more interesting, and you raise it nicely about Winston Churchill. I seldom walk in or out of Wellington Railway Station without wishing that there was a balancing statue of Churchill opposite that of Gandhi. Both unquestionably great men; but we do not require our heroes to be flawless.

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  69. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Here ya go Naaska. you will like this one.
    Looks like Facebook censored you ar are you not a FB fan?

    http://screencast.com/t/xKVT7hyn

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  70. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    V2

    ….”Looks like Facebook censored you ar are you not a FB fan?”…..

    Understatement of all time. :)

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  71. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    I don’t want to think I’m getting old or anything……

    ……but all the noises I used to make during sex, I now make getting out of bed.

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  72. cha (4,008 comments) says:

    nasska, I’ve only the Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi and I’m buggered if I can find any reference to the quote cited so rather than a compendium entry could you supply a link to Mahatma Gandhi, Gandhi, An Autobiography page 446?.

    DG, indeed, the revisionism is strong.

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  73. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Revisionism tends to be a term applied pejoratively, rather than used as a simple descriptive term for the ongoing development of our narrative of the past.

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  74. cha (4,008 comments) says:

    Of course M but to use Fletch’s example..it may or may not be accurate but SFW, it’ll suit so I’ll run with it …and then there’s the Yasukuni Shrine sort.

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  75. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    cha

    Best I can do:

    “Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.” ~ Gandhi’s “Autobiography,” Part V, Chapter XXVII

    Ref: http://www.gandhism.net/hisownwords.php

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  76. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Sure cha, or the resurgence of nostalgia in today’s Russia for the good old days of Stalin.

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  77. cha (4,008 comments) says:

    nasska… arms or armies?

    Anyhoo…I’m vexed about the whole thing now so the one and only for this year…read the Gandhi autobiography, page 446 especially, and get back to ya.

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  78. cha (4,008 comments) says:

    Yeah, wasn’t Stalinism caused the grief I saw growing up though M.

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  79. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Ah yes Gandhi, figure head of the left and described by (no less than) mikenmild as a “great man”. Since we are in the mood for quotes:

    Pacifists and liberals worldwide love to tell about the grand accomplishments of Gandhi through non-violence and what an all around great guy he was.

    HOWEVER

    In South Africa Gandhi was fighting discrimination against his fellow Indians, but not the native Africans, whom he reffed to as Kaffirs, which was the local racial slur for black people. Here are some fun racist Gandhi quotes:

    “A general belief seems to prevail in the colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than the savages or natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir.”
    (Reference: The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi, Government of India (CWMG), Vol I, p. 150)

    Regarding forcible registration with the state of blacks:
    “One can understand the necessity for registration of Kaffirs who will not work.” (Reference: CWMG, Vol I, p. 105)

    “Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian Location should be chosen for dumping down all the Kaffirs of the town passes my comprehension…the Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location.” (Reference: CWMG, Vol I, pp. 244-245)

    His description of black inmates:
    “Only a degree removed from the animal.”
    “Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized – the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals.” – Mar. 7, 1908 (Reference: CWMG, Vol VIII, pp. 135-136)

    Oh, and, don’t freak out pacifists, but:

    During a prayer speech: “If we had the atom bomb, we would have used it against
    the British.” – June 16, 1947 (Reference: Gandhi’s “The Last Phase”, Vol II, p. 326)

    Gandhi was a RACIST!

    So promote Peace and Tolerance with Gandhis face, while fucking for virginity. We do approve of his fanboyism for Fascist Italy though

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  80. hj (6,991 comments) says:

    IT HAS BECOME increasingly popular to speak of racial and ethnic diversity as a civic strength. From multicultural festivals to pronouncements from political leaders, the message is the same: our differences make us stronger.

    But a massive new study, based on detailed interviews of nearly 30,000 people across America, has concluded just the opposite. Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam — famous for “Bowling Alone,” his 2000 book on declining civic engagement — has found that the greater the diversity in a community, the fewer people vote and the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and work on community projects. In the most diverse communities, neighbors trust one another about half as much as they do in the most homogenous settings. The study, the largest ever on civic engagement in America, found that virtually all measures of civic health are lower in more diverse settings.

    “The extent of the effect is shocking,” says Scott Page, a University of Michigan political scientist.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/05/world/americas/05iht-diversity.1.6986248.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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  81. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    **NZ First Alert**

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  82. Reid (16,440 comments) says:

    This disarmament topic belies the fact what is at the heart of it is the US distrust of their mainstream institutions, because they have over the last decade, consistently betrayed their own voters and customers in favour of the few.

    http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/25-facts-that-the-mainstream-media-doesnt-really-want-to-talk-about-right-now

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  83. calendar girl (1,232 comments) says:

    V2: Thanks for your insightful comment @ 10:16am.

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  84. Left Right and Centre (2,973 comments) says:

    hmmokrightitis:

    Thanks man. 30kg over 18 months.. great effort. I don’t know about the 4-8 hour runs after fasting though mate!! I go on long runs on rare occasions and they’re not planned at all. Have to be in the right mood. I did 30kms in around 2:50″ in December and that was enough for me that day. I do feel good physically… but it’s a pleasant side effect of looking better… hard to separate feeling good about looking better from feeling better from healthy food and covering 10kms a day.

    Keeping Stock: That’s a great rate of fat loss… roughly 800g per week. Well done!! If you lost it and put it on again… hey you know you can lose it again.

    Monique Watson: 30kg!! That’s heaps!! Good shit… that’s the one. Hope you can keep it off.

    I started October at 98-100kg which I’d reached around 2005, took action Oct 2 and the lowest the scales have read since then was between 80-81kg recently. I started off by giving up food out of pure ignorant desperation. Then learning about calories on the internet was the single biggest gamechanger. In an instant I gave up cooking oil, popcorn and sweets and a few other things and it changed how I thought about food 100% I’d all ready cut out daily sandwiches and dinner for a week or two. Learning how many calories your body burns per day, and how many you’re taking in per day. Simple numbers game. I went ballistic and lost around a kilo every four or five days to start off with.

    The BMI says my healthy weight range is 60-80kg and my low weight reading each day is 82kg so my fat loss journey is complete and I’m into maintenance. I also lift weights so I’m going to credit myself with 2kg of extra muscle at least… I think that’s a fairly conservative guess.

    So… I’d like to thank the collective genius of the scientists through recent history and knowledge and experiences and advice of everyone else out there on the internet who made a valuable contribution to teaching me and motivating me how to burn fat off my body. I’m so happy that science and the www has had such a practical benefit for me… YEAH!!!!!!!!

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