General Debate 21 January 2013

January 21st, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    For popcorn eaters here’s some interesting Labour insider comments: Labour party views, QED

    And a very direct challenge to old guard Annette King, Grant Robertson and Trevor Mallard: Upping the anti – Annette, Grant and Trevor

    A party is made up of people and some get to a point that they no longer listen and interact effectively with the rest. That is what has happened with Annette King, Grant Robertson and Trevor Mallard. They have “lost it” but are trying to retain ego through influencing David Shearer. A few more have attached themselves to the this group as they think it is where power and influence will ultimately lie if Labour wins.

    The fatal flaw is that the Leader is getting his advice from dis-connected has-beans rather that the connected active membership. We will never win an election in these circumstances.

    The time has come for Annette, Grant and Trevor to go.

    And things are just warming up.

    The old guard centrists from Wellington are being challenged by old guard leftists (mostly from Auckland) and the old guard unionists.

    It could be a good old battle. Democracy be damned.

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  2. Andrei (2,431 comments) says:

    We don’t have a democracy Pete George.

    We have a ruling oligarchy in Wellington and Auckland, parliament and elections are just theatre to make us think we have a say when we don’t.

    That is why when we got rid of the lamentable Helen Clark it was business just as usual, the advance of intrusive nanny state, but with a more amenable face at the helm.

    And when John Key wears out his welcome a new figurehead will be put before the people but the march towards servitude and the degradation of the Nation will continue as before

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  3. mikenmild (8,894 comments) says:

    PG
    Why are you so obsessed with the Labour Party?

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  4. hmmokrightitis (1,458 comments) says:

    Nice summary Pete, thanks for that. As I sit drinking coffee, freshly ground and plunged Havana beans, looking out at the glorious blue day, knowing today I will ride, run and swim, Im filled with joy and excitement.

    Labour is eating itself, and that is a truly glorious thing to behold. Ive worked my ring off for nearly 40 years, and today I can sit back, not do much at all, and watch the pseudo socialists claw each others eyes out, in the name of power, the power they all crave so much, because in any other, more meaningful sphere of life, they have none, through sheer lack of ability.

    Like two drunks hitting each other as they sink in the quicksand, this is train wreck TV of the very finest available. Next time Im stuck in a bunch ride with the duck, I will remember these lovely moments.

    Please, dearest labour, dont stop, its lovely :)

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  5. Manolo (12,639 comments) says:

    The Labour Party is an enemy of NZ, is a group of socialists determined to equalise us all in mediocrity and to ruin our country’s economy in the name of “social justice”.

    Alongside the Luddites, they deserve to be exposed for what they are: economic terrorists.

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  6. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Anybody been following this saga?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/8200586/Te-o-speaks-out-Not-involved-in-creating-hoax

    This guy’s story chops and changes more than David Bain’s…

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  7. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Wondering how our government is providing military and social assistance to the Hazara shiite minority:

    http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2013/01/massacres-of-hazaras-in-afghanistan-and.html

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  8. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Only four more years, boys:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/21/us/politics/president-obama-inauguration.html?hp&_r=0

    I’m trying to pick the rate of inflation over the next four years. I know a few Americans planning to move to NZ to avoid the economic troubles btw.

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  9. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    A superbe cartoon from Rod Emmerson this morning. Whether the likes of David Fisher and John Campbell will get it though is open to debate…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/the-insight-of-emmerson.html

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  10. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    mikenmild, I’m interested in Labour becasue I think it’s kinda important they get their shit together rather than keep wrestling in their own mud.

    Labour lost power in 2008. It’s now 2013. They look no closer to recovering and rebuilding. That’s bad for New Zealand.

    If Labour keep lurching and losing National won’t be challenged sufficiently and will govern past their used by date. A decent oposition would be seriously challenging National now.

    If Labour manage to have enough Green support to pull off a victory of sorts next year I would prefer that they had put most of their dysfunction behind them by them. Unfortunately they seem to be blind to their problems and isolated from the real world and real people.

    Our politics has changed from National versus Labour plus some small parties to National and either Labour/Greens or Labour/Greens/others as an alternative if ational stuff up enough or we get sick of them. I don’t think that’s healthy.

    If no one in Labour wakes up to the fact that they need to do to be seen as a future party rather than a bunch of old guard factions fighting then they could deteriorate further and become an also ran. I don’t think that would be good, because there is no other party that looks capable of filling their space.

    We all should be interested in what is happening within Labour if we are interested in a democratic future for New Zealand.

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  11. KiwiGreg (3,129 comments) says:

    “Labour lost power in 2008. It’s now 2013. They look no closer to recovering and rebuilding. That’s bad for New Zealand.”

    In your, obviously left wing, opinion. If the entire labour caucus went over a cliff in a bus my only regret would be the greens weren’t in the bus with them.

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  12. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    PG
    Why are you so obsessed with the Labour Party?

    Translation: I do not like you making Labour look bad. Stop it.

    The Labour party is a self destructing mess with no real leadership. Accept that and move on mm.

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  13. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    KiwiGreg – in my opinion based on wanting a diverse working democracy.

    Do you want what would effectively be a single party state?

    I think that would be terrible. A healthy democracy needs diversity and a robust contest of ideas and policies.

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  14. hmmokrightitis (1,458 comments) says:

    There is an implicit assumption in that Pete – that labour continue to be the party of natural opposition to National. I dont think thats the case anymore, and I think their fight for relevance reflects that.

    I think we will continue to see the left fracture under its own weight of indirection and their own particular brand of Lance Armstrong bullying and lying. They, labour, will say and do anything to gain power, and then when in office, with no mandate will make shit up as they go along, sticking to the agenda they have internally. And I think people might be starting to wise up to that. I hope they are.

    For me, now, the broadening church of the watermelons sees more natural opposition than labour. Yet they are stuck with their extremist roots, green and bright bright red, which might slow them down in terms of critical mass to leap past labour, or rather, tread on the head of labours corpse as they climb the ladder :)

    Yes, we need a good opposition – I suspect labours internal fight is becuase they have totally lost their way. Their ‘of the people’ support base is starting to say, um, hang on, arent you about the workers, and not just fringe social tinkering?

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  15. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    David Fisher ‏@DFisherJourno

    Garth McVicar blames “fatherless kids” for crimes. Surely two dads is a good thing then? http://nzh.tw/10860409 #gaycrimewave

    If one dad means less crime than no dads then the more dads the better?

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  16. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    “Labour lost power in 2008. It’s now 2013. They look no closer to recovering and rebuilding. That’s bad for New Zealand.”

    It is bad for the country. They are such a shambles the Greens poll at 12%. Those loopy bastards getting 12% of the vote arghhh

    Labours problem is simple – they have low quality MP’s who have bugga all options waiting for them after they leave office. Seriously, who the hell is going to pay Mallard 200k a year??? Annette King the dental nurse? Goof ball shows no sign of leaving. Whats Adern worth in the private sector? 50k? if shes lucky..

    Labour need to regenerate. I think they will need to be spanked a 3rd time before the party starts to wise up a bit.

    A strong Labour party may actually get National doing some of the things we would like them to be doing.

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  17. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    “If one dad means less crime than no dads then the more dads the better?” – idiot.

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  18. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    There is an implicit assumption in that Pete – that labour continue to be the party of natural opposition to National.

    Once upon a time Labour were the party of the working man. They gave voice to the concerns of the working masses. I used to vote for them back then.

    They now represent special “victim” groups and push for the rights of minority interests, over those of the majority. They have alienated the majority of their potential voter base as a result. They need to put aside their ideology and start doing what is best for people, the majority of people, not elite “victim” groups.

    National has done a smart thing by moving to the left and occupying the ground previously held by Labour. This means Labour must now move right of National, or too far to the left, which is what they have done.

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  19. Andrei (2,431 comments) says:

    Logic isn’t a strong point with our elites dime.

    Compared to children in male-headed traditional families where their
    natural parents are married to each other, children living in
    female-headed single-parent, lesbian or other environments where they are
    deprived of their natural fathers are:
    1. Eight times more likely to go to prison.
    2. Five times more likely to commit suicide.
    3. Twenty times more likely to have behavioral problems.
    4. Twenty times more likely to become rapists.
    5. 32 times more likely to run away.
    6. Ten times more likely to abuse chemical substances.
    7. Nine times more likely to drop out of high school.
    8. 33 times more likely to be seriously abused.
    9. 73 times more likely to be fatally abused.
    10. One-tenth as likely to get A’s in school.
    11. On average have a 44% higher mortality rate.
    12. On average have a 72% lower standard of living.

    Our degenerate elites have to bury this because it interferes with their pursuit of personal pleasure and the advance of their agenda to create a servile dependant people for them to prey upon and use as serfs

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  20. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    hmmokrightitis at 9:16 am

    I think we will continue to see the left fracture under its own weight of indirection and their own particular brand of Lance Armstrong bullying and lying.

    That’s what’s happening from high in the party to activist forums like The Standard.

    They, labour, will say and do anything to gain power, and then when in office, with no mandate will make shit up as they go along, sticking to the agenda they have internally.

    And that’s also apparent.

    Old guard caucus – they want to go back to being in power by any old means, and that means dirty tactics, disinformation and ignoring the people of the party.

    Old guard activists and unionists – they want to go back to roots and a more left more socialist party – the imaginary good old days.

    David Shearer promised something new and that was either bullshit or he has since been engulfed by the entrenched old guard in caucus keeping seats by any means.

    It is very difficult to see any fresh new hope in Labour.

    Chris Hipkins is young but he’s come up through the old guard grooming school. He will have to distance himself from that demonstrably to look different and forward thinking.

    Two new MPs who have been praised:
    Louisa Wall – old guard union connections
    David Clark – old guard caucus groomed and supported with old school attitude to politicking

    Something drastic needs to change or they will keep struggling at best and may slide under the well oiled Green machine.

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  21. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    Kea – now Labour MPs represent themselves, their own hold on jobs, and aspirations for power.

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  22. Lance (2,311 comments) says:

    Let us not forget the Labour master stroke of genius of Hobbit hating. That’l bring along the masses.

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  23. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    Know your enemy – Tsn Tsu

    Whale has a good post from a lefty explaining the left’s perspective. Without commenting on the incorrect take he has on the right, it explains to some extent where leftism is coming from quite well.

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/01/reclaiming-the-left-by-a-labour-party-member/

    I don’t think politically the total left’s numbers have changed that much. I don’t think the rough numbers of lefties suffered desertion caused by the hatred of Hulun which caused the 2007 rout. But by around 2010 with the GFC and all they were coming back and now they’re where they were, as a cohesive group of everyone on the left regardless of party.

    The issue is the party balance has changed. It’s swung to the Gweens and sticks there. It sticks there partly because Liarbore are behaving like a struggling injured fish with Shearer grappling with the vibrating rattling controls that threaten to violently wrench themselves out of his hands at any second. It’s also a fact I think that the decades-long message from the Sisterhood designed to marginalise the white collar worker bloke epitomised by such old lions as Mike Smith and Trevor Mallard has been a factor in this desertion. That core used to be Liarbore’s raison d’etre. But not since Hulun and her rampaging dykes decided to cleanse the party of such dreadful white male influence. Now the only males around are poofy girly ones, hardly a real bloke in sight. There’s been a lot of that going on, in Liarbore.

    Change the leadership and destroy the Sisterhood and Liarbore will recover. Elect the Gweens on their current level of support so they get power, and their support will drop permanently to the more natural 5% level within a few elections.

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  24. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    Those who put their unquestioning trust in science shouldn’t read this:

    Forbes – A Barrage Of Legal Threats Shuts Down Whistleblower Site, Science Fraud

    Those of us concerned about the decaying credibility of Big Science were dismayed to learn that the whistleblower site Science Fraud has been shut down due to a barrage of legal threats against its operator. With billions of dollars in federal science funding hinging on the integrity of academic researchers, and billions more in health care dollars riding on the truthfulness of pharmaceutical research claims, the industry needs more websites like this, not fewer
    :::
    Fraud, plagiarism, cherry-picked results, poor or non-existent controls, confirmation bias, opaque, missing, or unavailable data, and stonewalling when questioned have gone from being rare to being everyday occurrences. [kk: Climate 'science' anyone?]. Just look at the soaring retraction level across multiple scientific publications and the increasingly vocal hand wringing of science vigilantes.
    :::
    When I first began looking into the increasingly vexing problem of irreproducible scientific research I assumed that the bulk of the problem was caused by sloppy science. Not so, says a National Academy of Sciences study that attributes two thirds of the retractions in the biomedical and life-sciences to scientific misconduct. And remember, these are only the people that have gotten caught

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  25. big bruv (12,380 comments) says:

    Watch as the NZRU and the Crusaders spin machine goes into action to defend the actions of another one of “the boys”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/8201974/Zac-Guildford-in-doubt-after-new-incident

    It seems that if you happen to be a rugby player in NZ you can get away with almost anything.

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  26. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    Bruv – as you know, im not a guildford fan at all. Good super rugby player, rat shit all black.

    thing is – what did he do? hit on someones chick?

    the police arent involved. the person he wronged went to the crusaders? what a dick move.

    i feel sorry for people like ryder and guildford. what have they actually done thats so bad? wrote themselves off? no one here has ever done that right? no one here has ever had a bender the day before a big meeting or whatever.

    hes 23 and rich. if it was Dime i would have been found need in a brothel years ago.

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  27. big bruv (12,380 comments) says:

    Dime

    If you remember correctly Guilford bashed an elderly man in Raro, the mans “crime”….he went to see if Guilford was OK.

    As for his ability on the footy field, hell I could not care less. The issue for me is that this sort of behaviour is actually accepted in Rugby circles, the people at the top still see it as “the boys letting off some steam”

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  28. David Garrett (5,150 comments) says:

    Dime: You would have been found what in a brothel? Dead?

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  29. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    big bruv – except that Guildford has not got away with anything, from what I heard he hasn’t been defended, Todd Blackadder spelt out how seriously the incident is viewed. His rugby career is in deep trouble. It could cost him millions.

    That sort of behaviour is definitely not just accepted at the top in rugby any more.

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  30. David Garrett (5,150 comments) says:

    Since there is renewed comment here on McVicar’s submission on the gay marriage bill, I repost my comment on that thread…

    …. this thread has moved a long way from where it began, viz. Garth’s submission on “marriage equality”. I note with amusement that it only took about three comments for “the dead baby” to be brought up…I have not commented before because I have been away camping with my kids…both conceived out of (heterosexual) wedlock as it happens.

    But for the record, if anyone is still interested, I do not “coach” Garth…I often give my view, or advice on particular points…sometimes he takes it, often he doesn’t. Like my friend Peter Jenkins, I disagree with Garth on a number of issues…we are allowed to do that in the SST – we are not the Labour Party caucus or the Stalinists who run The Standard.

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  31. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    Bruv – ah ok. I thought he just got naked or something… bashing an old man isnt cool!

    I usually remember shit like that too. eg robin brooke wont be forgiven in a hurry.

    if a rugby player isnt doing anything illegal though, just getting smashed and maybe a bit loud. should it really cost him his job? seems like an unusually high standard to hold someone to

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  32. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    “It could cost him millions.”

    really? as a part time all blacks hes earning 200 a year? 250?? he will piss off to japan or france and make double that.

    “That sort of behaviour is definitely not just accepted at the top in rugby any more.”

    What sort of behavior? do you know what he did?

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  33. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Pete- Guildford got away Scot-free with bashing the guy senseless in Rarotonga.
    Bruv is right- NZRFU have for years been covering up and sweeping under the carpet any incidents involving their untouchable All Blacks.
    Remember High School? The first fifteen never got into any trouble!

    But then- I recall Pete staunchly defending one of his heroes Andrew Hore after that disgusting assault in the Welsh Test..I guess love is blind!

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  34. big bruv (12,380 comments) says:

    Dime

    If getting smashed was a crime I would have spent the better part of my 20′s & 30′s locked up. I don’t care how much they drink, that is not my business.

    What does piss me off is the way that the rugby journo’s and the NZRU try and play this down, they also go on the attack if a member of the public dare point out that they were the victim of one of these thugs.

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  35. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    I agree with Dime re Jesse Ryder though- That guy hasn’t done anything apart from missing a team meeting because he was piss-crook… and he is the best batsman New Zealand have got by a country mile…

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  36. Manolo (12,639 comments) says:

    I’m very glad ross69 has joined the lunatics on the Bain thread and doesn’t come to DG anymore.
    Long may it continue.

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  37. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    I didn’t staunchly defend Andrew Hore. Neither did I jumpt to extreme conclusions like some did here. I think his punishment was fair enough relatively.

    And Guildford didn’t get away scot-free with his Raro stupidity. Most drunken thugs don’t get the international media humiliation that he got, and very public demotion and ongoing attention.

    And we have no idea what the cost of his current out of control antics will be, but it is already not unsubstantial.

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  38. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    “his current out of control antics will be” – you seem to know something about the incident?

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  39. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    A graph tracking the murder rate in the US with use of Internet explorer: https://twitter.com/brendamarienyc/status/292818403989790720/photo/1

    I’d like to see that analysed against criminals with and without fathers.

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  40. eszett (2,272 comments) says:

    Andrei (1,660) Says:
    January 21st, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Logic isn’t a strong point with our elites dime.

    Compared to children in male-headed traditional families where their
    natural parents are married to each other, children living in
    female-headed single-parent, lesbian or other environments where they are
    deprived of their natural fathers are:
    1. Eight times more likely to go to prison.
    2. Five times more likely to commit suicide.
    3. Twenty times more likely to have behavioral problems.
    4. Twenty times more likely to become rapists.
    5. 32 times more likely to run away.
    6. Ten times more likely to abuse chemical substances.
    7. Nine times more likely to drop out of high school.
    8. 33 times more likely to be seriously abused.
    9. 73 times more likely to be fatally abused.
    10. One-tenth as likely to get A’s in school.
    11. On average have a 44% higher mortality rate.
    12. On average have a 72% lower standard of living.

    Our degenerate elites have to bury this because it interferes with their pursuit of personal pleasure and the advance of their agenda to create a servile dependant people for them to prey upon and use as serfs

    LOL, Logic isn’t you finest skill either, Andrei and you also fail at comprehension, critical thinking and reading.
    Obviously you did not bother to read the document you linked to and fail to see that the document was from NY State NOW (The National Organization for Women (NOW) is the largest organization of feminist activists in the United States.) http://www.nownys.org/

    It starts of with the bullet points you list and the goes on to debunk them as myths one by one.

    Some extracts:

    “Mainstream” fatherlessness statistics come not from valid sources but from father’s rights organizations. They are used to denigrate single and divorced mothers.

    Fathers’ Manifesto is well-known for its misogyny, anti-semitism, racism, and homophobia. It is cited as a hate group by Stop The Hate, Google Web Directory – Hate Groups, and The Hate Directory, (Ethnic, Racial, Religious, Ethnic, Gender, Sexual Orientation Based Hatred On The Internet).

    This is from the very document that you link to, Andrei, debunkung your myths as the bullshit they are.

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  41. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    By punishment Pete you mean the ONE game he missed? (for one of the most brutal assaults seen on a rugby field in years)
    The general consensus amongst most rugby fans (outside New Zealand of course) was that the punishment was a joke and that this was yet another example of the All Blacks being a ‘Protected Species’.
    If you can’t see that Andrew Hore got off ridiculously lightly you really are quite the drooling All Black fanboy…

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  42. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    @Reid – missed that Whaleoil link, thanks

    “If someone puts forty pieces of silver for themselves ahead of the contribution they can make to this country, then we don’t need them. Good riddance to the selfish.”
    Fail. It’s about broadening the tax base rather than telling a whole lot (presumably right wing voters) to leave the country to a land where they’re going to make a hullva lot more 40 pieces of silver for themselves and their family. And New Zealand gets none of it.
    Righto then fuckwit. See ya later alligator.

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  43. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    LOL, Logic isn’t you finest skill either, Andrei …the document was from NY State NOW (The National Organization for Women (NOW) is the largest organization of feminist activists in the United States.

    Of course a bunch of man hating harpies are going to debunk those claims. What else would you expect them to do, tell the truth ? The joke is on you eszett.

    I do not share Andrei’s views, but at least he is sincere and credible. As opposed to your constant self righteous posturing.

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  44. Azeraph (598 comments) says:

    krazykiwi (8,601) Says:
    January 21st, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Great article

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  45. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    Toby Manhire ‏@toby_etc

    Mike Williams on RNZ: blogs offer outlet for “the wacko nutter who used to stand up at the Waikikamukau local meeting”

    Even more remarkable, Hooton: “Sorry for interrupting.”

    What do you wacko nutters think of that?

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  46. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    From the SMH:

    Oz: Digital roadside billboards with multiple ads on way

    The state government is poised to relax a ban on digital roadside billboards, despite new research suggesting they distract motorists and could significantly affect driver performance.

    More research is needed on the distraction caused by eating, talking, fiddling endlessly with in-car touchscreen controls, looking at the scenery. After funding all this research perhaps the government could ban these things so the humble mobile phone is not the only distraction singled out for legislation.

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  47. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    NZ Unis plunge down world rankings

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  48. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    Mike Williams on RNZ: blogs offer outlet for “the wacko nutter who used to stand up at the Waikikamukau local meeting”

    Given the rather prolific postings of the likes of: Clare Curran, Trevor Mallard, Grant Robertson, Chris Hipkins, Darien Fenton, Phil Twyford, David Clark and Sue Maroney, it doesn’t say much for his opinion of the current Labour caucus does it?

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  49. backster (2,000 comments) says:

    I wonder if the fact that the Police are not involved in what Todd described as a very very serious matter is because private negotiations are being held to see if the matter can be resolved by an ‘under the table compensation’ either by Ch Ch or NZ Rugby Unions or Guilford. Such resolutions do seem common in Aussie Rugby League, and maybe the Rarotongan matter was settled in a similar manner.

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  50. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    DNA research shows Australian aboriginals came from India in two waves:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2262843/Migrants-India-settled-Australia-4-000-years-ago-Captain-Cooks-arrival-took-dingos-them.html

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  51. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    If only I could lobotomize myself with a large vehicle battery, a bottle of Jack Daniels and a pair of heavy duty jumper cables, I might be able to cognitively function at the same convoluted level as the radical left. Over the last decade or so, the radical left has reminded us again and again that prohibition doesn’t work for marijuana — nor for alcohol — and they celebrated the decriminalization of marijuana in Colorado and Washington.

    But these same people now insist that firearms prohibition will somehow, magically, see the end of violent crime in America. Gun prohibition will be highly effective, they say to each other. So let’s ban the guns!

    But hold on a second. Before taking such sweeping actions, would it make sense to first ask the commonsense question: Can gun prohibition even work? What are the likely consequences of any attempt to prohibit private firearms ownership?

    http://www.naturalnews.com/038708_gun_prohibition_economics_cause_and_effect.html

    Aren’t lefties mental.

    And something on Murdoch. How the MSM ignores his doings, for some inexplicable reason…

    http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/1528

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  52. eszett (2,272 comments) says:

    Of course a bunch of man hating harpies are going to debunk those claims. What else would you expect them to do, tell the truth ? The joke is on you eszett.

    I do not share Andrei’s views, but at least he is sincere and credible. As opposed to your constant self righteous posturing.

    Another Kea classic. You may not share his views, but your surely share his poor “logic.” Proven so time and again.

    It was Andrei’s link I followed, remember. He didn’t even bother to verify what he was linking.

    So he posts bullshit linking to a document that debunks his bullshit and in the same post complains about the failing logic “degenragte elites”.

    Andrei sincere? Yes, no doubt he deeply believes the nonsense that he posts here.
    Credible? just proven otherwise.

    And you accuse me of self-rightous posterung? Very ironic when seen in context of Andrei.

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  53. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    For those who are remotely interested, here is a very measured debate between scientists, about global warming:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJwayalLpYY

    There appears to be considerable common ground between the two positions. Both acknowledge that the extremes of the warmist movement have been unhelpful.

    I miss Griff. I do hope my fatalistic wee friend is ok and has not totally lost it in a haze of cannabis smoke :(

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  54. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    eszett, your source is not a credible or balanced one. I would not rely upon their “debunking” as proof of anything. Groups such as that believe the end justifies the means.

    Andrei would probably be appalled by my liberal atheist views, but at least I know where he stands and can see common ground on many topics. Credibility and sincerity does not mean I agree with you, it just means I think you are for real.

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  55. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    Falafulu 11:46, yup with one or two exceptions over the years, NZ’s unis have been sliding each and every year. I used to care about this which was a bit internally inconsistent as I do not have a degree.. however my own company employed plenty graduates and I liked to keep up with the rankings.

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  56. Paulus (2,299 comments) says:

    The Greenpeace Party are so good they are making Labour look a pack of irrelevant nobodies.

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  57. SPC (4,675 comments) says:

    Reid 12:02 pm

    “DNA research shows Australian aboriginals came from India in two waves:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2262843/Migrants-India-settled-Australia-4-000-years-ago-Captain-Cooks-arrival-took-dingos-them.html

    Did Aboriginals first come from India? The ancestors of Aboriginals arrived in Oz a long time before that, there was a migration by a small group from India at a later time.

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  58. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    A wacko nutter from Waikikamukau?

    Ha ha, fancy describing his fellow commentator Matthew Hooton as a whacko nutter. Kind of pulls himself into the realm as well. Idiot.

    Who cares about what these well known commentators think of what goes on here. I would rather read the daily machinations here than listen to Hooton, Williams, and all the others. They have too many vested and conflicted interests to be taken credibly or seriously. That is where honest comment, by way of anonymity, comes into its own. They do all seem to be very upset though. I wonder why. Perhaps they should stop reading it.

    I wonder if Williams has ever posted here? Betcha he has.

    Dumb is as dumb does.

    That couldn’t be the type of person that Williams was talking about? Much unintentional irony in there.

    http://yournz.org/2013/01/21/4423/

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  59. Belinda (126 comments) says:

    Why are so many Americans so freaking stupid.
    While they are busy holding their gun rallies today another teenager
    appears to have wiped out his family of five.
    The tragedy is I bet the gun rally gets more publicity
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/8202856/Teen-guns-down-five-in-US-home

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  60. Nookin (2,891 comments) says:

    Hard to conjure up any sympathy for this PoS, really!

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/8203988/Emily-Longleys-killer-bashed-in-jail

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  61. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    Something on Syria – have the west fatally erred? Let’s hope so.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/01/19/284386/n-syria-learns-to-hate-fsa-occupation/

    SPC, OK.

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  62. Viking2 (10,737 comments) says:

    SPC (2,006) Says:
    January 21st, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    Reid 12:02 pm

    “DNA research shows Australian aboriginals came from India in two waves:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2262843/Migrants-India-settled-Australia-4-000-years-ago-Captain-Cooks-arrival-took-dingos-them.html”

    Did Aboriginals first come from India? The ancestors of Aboriginals arrived in Oz a long time before that, there was a migration by a small group from India at a later time.
    ————————
    Read that a few days ago but was disconnected from reality(computer) by distance and a good beach.

    We could offer to send then a lot more. We could establish a pipeline from India to NZ, give them a quick checkover, relieve them of some dosh and give them a passport.
    Reckon it would be better for Aussie than having them import assorted people of peaceful religions from the sand bar.

    And horray the edits back.

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  63. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    “While they are busy holding their gun rallies today another teenager
    appears to have wiped out his family of five.”

    was he a paper boy?

    anyway, such a thing would NEVER happen here

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  64. Viking2 (10,737 comments) says:

    U’m pleased to see Mega up and going. KS and mine host will either ignore the upgrade completly or run out the usual National Party bullshit that we must be in control and know everything.

    Always a problem with dinasours.

    Interesting that out of adversity comes innovation.

    And yes KS Emerson has it right except that they (media), have lost. The extra $44 million that Disney have paid their CEO this year may well be one of the last.

    Roll on progress.

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  65. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    There wath an old duffer called Garth
    Who lithped “Thith ith all thutch a farth
    If gayth thay “I do”
    We’re all dethtined too
    Be taking it hard up the arth.

    (slightly edited from PPCM http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2013/01/21/what-i-think-garth-mcvicar-is-trying-to-say/#comment-81746)

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  66. Azeraph (598 comments) says:

    Viking2 (8,555) Says:
    January 21st, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    100,000 on signup on the first night. Amazing.

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  67. Azeraph (598 comments) says:

    Kea (1,781) Says:
    January 21st, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Didn’t the whole climategate start from two guys and a hacker?, A man called McIntyre who was backed by oil wrote a critique on the scientist Mann’s work whose data that Gore used in his Inconvenient truth documentary?

    As far as i know Mann’s data still stands.

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  68. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    “And yes KS Emerson has it right except that they (media), have lost. The extra $44 million that Disney have paid their CEO this year may well be one of the last.”

    huh? Disneys stock price is headed up my good man. They are in a great position.

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  69. Azeraph (598 comments) says:

    I didn’t realize the NRA for the last 30-40 years has actively stood in the path of any gun regulation proposed by anyone and literally hamstrung the ATF who were/are responsible for enforcing gun laws, apparently Reagan was going to fold the ATF into the secret service but the NRA stopped it as it couldn’t exist in the political realm without a worthwhile political target.

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  70. Azeraph (598 comments) says:

    Azeraph (189) Says:
    January 21st, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    I didn’t realize the NRA for the last 30-40 years has actively stood in the path of any gun regulation proposed by anyone and literally hamstrung the ATF who were/are responsible for enforcing gun laws, apparently Reagan was going to fold the ATF into the secret service but the NRA stopped it as it couldn’t exist in the political realm without “the ATF otherwise it would have no control or influence”

    I needed to EDIT this

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  71. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Prolonged detention” (2011)

    This was madness – but now it’s law

    The Nazis operated “under new laws” too

    Everything the Nazis did in German was under the strict rule of law too.

    They “invited” Jews and others (at the barrel of a gun) to be relocated to work camps.

    Once they were out of Germany, they “forfeited” their rights as German citizens and thus anything can – and was – done to them.

    Bushbama is talking a different approach. He’s just going to take away Americans rights in broad daylight and blame it on “the terrorists.”

    If this is not reversed, this is going to end very, very badly.

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/defending-

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  72. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    This is how banks and financial systems collapse

    This is not conspiracy theory. This is msm reporting

    “When things turn, that’s when things get ugly”

    Jon Corzine, playing with segregated customer funds with all the restraint of a crackhead.

    James Cayne, more interested in smoking weed and playing bridge than running his business.

    Jamie Dimon, an arrogant idiot and a polished liar.

    These are the kind of people who are running the show guys.

    Do you really think this is going to end well?

    http://www.realecontv.com/videos/banking-malfeasance/whos-running-the-show-.html

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  73. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Sandy Hook

    The story, as told, is physically impossible

    Joyce Riley, the producer of “Beyond Treason” a film about experimentation on US troops, interviews an expert in armed operations.

    There are so many problems with the official story.

    Here are just a few big ones:

    1. The deranged young man who allegedly committed this crime weighed about 120 pounds.

    If you calculate all the weapons and ammo the shooter was said to be carrying, it would have weighed nearly as much as him.

    2. Breaking into (or shooting open) secured doors such as the school had is not something an amateur is likely to get right on the first try. It’s a SWAT team level skill that requires much training and practice.

    Recall in addition to this, the shooter was supposedly carrying 100+ pounds of gear. Quite an acrobatic feat for a 120 pound young man who was not known to be in super fit physical condition.

    Related to this point is the strange fact that news reporters never photographed the smashed in door. Why miss out on a photo like that when they’ve exploited every other part of the story?

    3. Shooting “hundreds” of rounds in an enclosed space without ear protection (and there is no indication the dead young man found on the scene had any) would blow out your eardrums undermining your inner ear balance and your ability to stand up, let alone engage in these exertions.

    Summary: This evil act, if carried out as claimed, required super human physical fitness and a very high level of tactical skill – way beyond shooting skills – that would required serious, sustained training.

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/mind-control-1/the-sandy-hook-story-does-not-add-up.html

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  74. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    hinamanu – did the yanks land on the moon?

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  75. Azeraph (598 comments) says:

    hinamanu, I don’t think the shooter would of cared about ear protection if he was deep into a schizophrenic spiral and people who are in a spiral can display extraordinary strength, psyche nurses are trained to swarm a patient if he/she begins an episode.

    The rest i wouldn’t have a clue.

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  76. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    On the average all these public shootings aren’t normal and witnesses always see additional shooters

    As for the investment banks, they are criminal conspirators and the sooner govts take Iceland’s lead and jail bankers the world will be averted from major financial jeopardy.

    and Neil Armstrong said he was definitely on the moon and Russia concurred during the cold war so no argument from me!

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  77. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Currency World War looms as Japan, China, US & Europe decline

    Russia has warned a currency World War is looming for the global economy. The concerns were sparked by Japan’s move to lower the value of the yen in pursuit of better exports causing fears of a massive chain reaction as other nations do the same.

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  78. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    Viking2 said

    U’m pleased to see Mega up and going. KS and mine host will either ignore the upgrade completly or run out the usual National Party bullshit that we must be in control and know everything.

    Always a problem with dinasours.

    Interesting that out of adversity comes innovation.

    I think you’ll find that “the usual National Party bullshit” includes complying with the law. Pirating intellectual property, selling it to Dotcom who then charges a fee for other people to view it is in my view totally dishonest.

    I have no problems with Dotcom or anyone offering online data warehousing. But when that becomes a front for ripping people off, I draw the line. The service that Dotcom was allegedly providing behind the nice facade of Megaupload was no different to the rip-off artists prosecuted for selling illegally obtained copies of Sione’s Wedding at the Otara Market a few years ago, except on an exponentially more profitable scale.

    Yet still the likes of David Fisher and John Campbell fall over themselves to make Dotcom appear like a victim. Is it any wonder that Dotcom chose New Zealand over other countries; such as Nigeria?

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  79. Azeraph (598 comments) says:

    Well Japan was on QE15? What does one expect. Nassim Talebs right, Bernanke should have been arrested a long time ago.

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  80. big bruv (12,380 comments) says:

    So it seems that two people were asleep in a private house after a bit of a party. One of the other guests at this party happened to be a well known rugby player.

    The rugby player thought it would be a great idea to wake those two people by smashing them in the face whilst they slept.

    But!….don’t worry, it is just one of the boys letting off some steam.

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  81. Left Right and Centre (2,397 comments) says:

    Short story time children:

    Now sit down quietly and pay attention…..

    Have you ever done something stupid like this? Because I hadn’t up until the weekend. It’s a woeful tale from the wasteland of a freshly minted diehard dieter….

    A few months back I switched from Wheat Biscuits to porridge. And the leftover 1kg pack plus the last of an open box just stared back at me every day for weeks. Then on Sat. I decide to ‘use it up’ instead of throwing it out. Why? Because you don’t waste food. I got a taste of the wheat biscuits… oh yum… and I’m probably starving to death anyway… and polished off the last 14 biscuits of the open pack for breakfast. They were pretty stale but hey I’ll eat anything.

    So far so good…

    But in the evening… by now feeling a bit peckish… I grab the unopened box… and chowed down on.. I kid you not…. 28 wheat biscuits. Seven bowls of four in a row. Remember those ‘how many does Richie eat for breakfast’ ads? Yeah.

    Oh dear…. that’s racking up a day’s worth plus of calories in ten minutes….

    But wait… there’s more…

    I’d used up two litres of milk in the process and later on decided that if I’m going to blow calories… make it something fun like one litre of ice cream. Then I had about 200g of sweets in bed reading. By now I could’ve kept a child in Africa alive for a month with the kj value I was racking up.

    Sun morning? Hey… why not eat the last *25* Wheat Biscuits for breakfast? Well, they’re all gone now mate. 1.2kg of them in 24 hours. (shoudn’t 1kg and 14 biscuits at 6 biscuits = 96g be more than the 67 you claimed to have eaten? It was a whole box anyway… that’s 100% certain).

    So where to from there? I’m carb-loaded to the teeth. Try to run it off. I’d eaten too much… time to run too much. 42.3kms daytime run and 10km run in the evening three hours later… I didn’t think even that would make a dent in *28 000kj*. Today the scales have been kind. I’m back baby… phew. And I’ve never run as much as 52.3kms over a day…. all in the name of weight loss. Carpe Diem!!

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  82. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    ‘Bernanke should have been arrested a long time ago.’

    Max Keiser believes 2013 is the year Jamie Dymon will be arrested

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  83. SGA (545 comments) says:

    This tickled me –

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/8203464/Library-moves-Armstrong-books-to-fiction-section

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  84. Viking2 (10,737 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock (8,510) Says:
    January 21st, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Viking2 said

    U’m pleased to see Mega up and going. KS and mine host will either ignore the upgrade completly or run out the usual National Party bullshit that we must be in control and know everything.

    Always a problem with dinasours.

    Interesting that out of adversity comes innovation.

    I think you’ll find that “the usual National Party bullshit” includes complying with the law. Pirating intellectual property, selling it to Dotcom who then charges a fee for other people to view it is in my view totally dishonest.
    ————-
    All of which goes to show that you fundamentally don’t understand what the business was. Dotcom didn’t buy anything.

    He paid a fee to people who attracted business to their wharehouse from which they sold to the customer. Like any storage provider he charged rent and access fee’s.
    Simple enough stuff that even dinasours (and Nataional Party leaders (so called),and policemen should be able to comprehend.

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  85. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    I posted the other day on the issues with the Dreamliner: outsourcing.

    Here’s some more explication of it. It appears also the FAA got a new Bush-appointee in 2008 who tried to get rid of all those nasty inconvenient and expensive safety regulations. Just like they also did in the financial industry.

    While some stand by and cheer at the red-tape reduction.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jan/18/boeing-787-dreamliner-grounded

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  86. wat dabney (3,464 comments) says:

    Reid,

    You’re claiming that the problem with the batteries on these new aircraft is a result of insufficient government regulation.

    Twat.

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  87. Viking2 (10,737 comments) says:

    Talking of which. Natioanl Party Leaders, I see that this year apparently the National Party Leaders consider that its time they got their arse into gear and started doing what they should have done 5 years ago.

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  89. Viking2 (10,737 comments) says:

    :lol: too much holiday eh. all of 5 days away from the key board. never mind. read the bits that matter.

    Talking of which. National Party Leaders, I see that this year apparently the National Party Leaders consider that its time they got their arse into gear and started doing what they should have done 5 years ago.

    Prime Minister John Key says his ‘State of the Nation’ speech to focus on the economy and employment

    Prime Minister John Key says his ‘State of the Nation’ speech this Friday will focus on the economy and employment in particular.

    Key told TVNZ’s Breakfast programme the speech would again be “very economically focused.”
    http://www.interest.co.nz/news/62781/prime-minister-john-key-says-his-state-nation-speech-focus-economy-and-employment

    Today Key noted there was a lot of work the government wants to do in relation to the Resource Management Act.

    —-You will remember this of course. Been on the adgenda for 6 years. Probably he is going to resusitate that useless Smith again to do what he didn’t do before.
    Oh and before we forget its about time for the Leadership to tell us we have to pay slaves more with an increrase in the minimum wage resulting in the loss of more jobs.

    Frankly I would be more impressed if he attacked his rich mates by removing the madness that is depreciation on $300k Mercedes which gets claimes as a tax deduction.
    Time has arrived long ago for depreciation on cars to be limited to a maximum of $40K.

    But Bill and he won’t do that. One wonders how many cows need milking, jobs need to be lost, high interest rates paid or Mercededs or BMW purchased before we start to wonder why our exchange rate is so high. 100,000 new cars last year and another 75000 used imports. That’s a fucking lot of milk to sell at todays exchange rate.

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  90. SPC (4,675 comments) says:

    Reid, there is no mistake in North Africa. Supporting democracy is preferable to allowing those who would overthrow governments by force. Yes I know the irony of external support for regime change in Libya and Syria – but in both cases (non democratic) government used force to suppress protest.

    As for Syria, those seeking to replace the government may well be inadequate for the job. Those paying the militants money to fight and supplying them with weapons (Saudi Arabia – because they hate Baathists, Shia and the Damascus alliance with Teheran) should also provide means to nation build in the areas under “regime change” control. And those who recognise the “regime change” faction should back up their words on this – such as economic aid into areas under their control.

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  91. Azeraph (598 comments) says:

    Dimon Hmm.

    So, who’s living in Fiji on Acc?

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  92. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Fundamentally a fairness issue. Is the Student Loans scheme sustainable?

    http://fmacskasy.wordpress.com/2013/01/16/its-fundamentally-a-fairness-issue-peter-dunne/

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  93. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Has TVNZ news turned into a pathetic joke or what ?

    Who is the moron who poses as the ‘editor’ of TV1 news ?

    The headline item on the 6 pm news tonight was the breathtaking report that a couple of
    days ago some loser called Zac Guildford had been involved in some undescribed ‘incident’
    at an undisclosed location with some undisclosed person or persons.

    Shock horror, it was reported that this “incident’ may have involved the consumption of alcohol
    but this couldn’t be confirmed at the moment.

    This fricking ludicrous ‘news’ item droned on and on for over three minutes.

    The gravity of this item was bolstered by an interview with the coach of the Canterbury rugby
    team who stated that he thought it could possibly be serious.

    FFS

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  94. Manolo (12,639 comments) says:

    Good question for hinamanu, dime.
    Were the moon landings for real or bogus? Would you please answer, trivialrev?

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  95. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    @ Viking2 – You underestimate me; I understand EXACTLY what Dotcom was doing. He paid people who uploaded “unique content” to Megaupload. He then sold subscriptions to other people to enable them to view and download the unique content. You’d have to be pretty naive to think that said “unique content”, primarily movies and music is all from legitimate sources.

    Credit to Dotcom for his entrepreneurship, but at comes at the expense of the people who create the original content; musicians, song-writers, film writers, producers, actors etc etc etc, all of whom lose potential revenue because fewer people are prepared to actually pay to obtain the content.

    Like the couple in the HoS yesterday bleating because they can’t afford to buy a first home in Herne Bay, this is symptomatic of the generation that we have spawned; they want everything, they want it now, and they don’t want to have to pay for it. You might applaud that; I do not.

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  96. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Here is good moon hoax documentary. The photographic expert is especially convincing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo5w0pm24ic

    However there are convincing explanations for all the points raised.

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  97. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    Neil Armstrong was chosen for the first moon landing because he already had extra terrestial experience, he was recruited from Area 51. The papers haven’t been released yet but JFK planned to scrap the Apollo program, that’s why he was taken out and Obama’s birth was faked. Pure minerals from the moon were required to manufacture undetectable explosives planted at the Twin Towers, and we all know what really happened there, which of course led to the profit taking from the GFC.

    I haven’t yet found out how Sandy Hook ties in with this, I suspect the theories are just some nutter’s rant.

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  98. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    “Good question for hinamanu, dime.
    Were the moon landings for real or bogus? Would you please answer,

    I did if you read

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  99. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    Kea

    Just in case your latest sex buddy is still out of action recovering from the whipping & cigarette burns this could be a good bedtime read…..

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nvxidzpkox993ep/playboyafghan.jpg

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  100. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Sheriff Mack: Hell NO to Gun Control!

    Sheriff’s have full authority in their jurisdictions and cannot be usurped by the federal govt in any capacity

    A wave of sheriffs, state legislatures and law enforcement figures have stood up to put the federal government on notice that they will NOT be involved in any disarmament measures or violations of the 2nd Amendment. Their courageous and patriotic actions are the very solution, grounded in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, that Sheriff Mack has been advocating for decades through his books, and his organizational work with the Oath Keepers, the Constitutional Sheriffs & Police Officers Association (CSPOA.org) and more.

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  101. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Pete George, thanks for clearing all that up. I just knew all those totally unrelated events were related. Like any sane person, I was shocked to hear that the Jews, Grays & Illuminati were not involved…this time ! ;)

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  102. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    A Catholic confessing his homosexual tendencies was surprised when the priest said that he already knew.

    After a little thought he had to concede that cutting a glory hole in the confession box was a dead giveaway.

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  103. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    nasska, once again I am flattered by your kindness. Allah has again been merciful and kind to his humble servant :)

    ps: She was whipped with a stick no wider than my thumb. I am not an animal !

    An Islamic ‘marriage guide’ book has drawn fire for advising men on the best ways to beat their wives, the Daily Mail reported Sunday.

    Accordiing to the British newspaper, “A Gift For Muslim Couple” tells husbands that they should beat their wives with “hand or stick or pull her by the ears”.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4207770,00.html

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  104. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    Kea

    Truly the religion of peace has much to teach us:

    ….”Dr. Homa Darabi Foundation

    On sex with Animals

    “If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it.”…….

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  105. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    nasska, such wisdom in those old cultures.

    Actually this sounds pretty good :)

    “If the wife does not fulfill one of the above-mentioned obligations, she is termed “rebellious” (nashiz), and the husband takes the following steps to correct matters:
    (a) admonition and advice, by explaining the unlawfulness of rebellion, its harmful effect on married life, and by listening to her viewpoint on the matter;
    (b) if admonition is ineffectual, he keeps from her by not sleeping in bed with her, by which both learn the degree to which they need each other;
    (c) if keeping from her is ineffectual, it is permissible for him to hit her if he believes that hitting her will bring her back to the right path, though if he does not think so, it is not permissible. His hitting her may not be in a way that injures her, and is his last recourse to save the family.
    (d) if the disagreement does not end after all this, each partner chooses an arbitrator to solve the dispute by settlement, or divorce.”

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  106. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    And to think we give His Holiness a hard time:

    …….”Ayatollah Khomeini’s Religious Teachings on Marriage, Divorce and Relationships

    “A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual act such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man’s four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl’s sister.”

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  107. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    It was an honest mistake….I left my glasses in the car: :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pfsunex6b680smk/three-beautiful-muslim-girlssm.jpg

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  108. Viking2 (10,737 comments) says:

    KS. Never have I ever said artists should not be paid. Don’t feel the same about the ratbags that monopolize their work though as many of the artisits are not being paid properly by the said ratbags.
    Also don’t think that said agents should have a total monopoly nor do I think they should bury their heads in the sand and expect the rest of the world to continue to grant them a monoloy on over priced and over controlled work.
    The muso’s sorted this some years back but Hollywood still lives in the 30′s.
    Frankly can’t be stuffed paying $20 to have to leave home and sit in an uncomfortable seat at some persons real estate that’s overvalued when it would be simpler to dial it up on bb. Youtube has plenty of full lenth movies for free or bugger all and I can watch them anytime I like where I like so long as I have a connection.

    Why can’t or won’t HW do this. Too many fat cats in the “com-panies” want too much money for fuck all.
    Time to trim their sails and be opened for competition.
    Everybody but the lazy win.

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  109. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    re: moon landings.
    Why faked moon landings were IMPOSSIBLE with the technology for creating special effects in the 1960s. I doubt even Kubrick could have pulled it off for the hours the footage was up.

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  110. Viking2 (10,737 comments) says:

    Queensland’s jobless rate is proving a drag on the nation’s economy

    QUEENSLAND’S jobless rate is 23 per cent above the decade’s average and emerging as a significant drag on the economy.

    According to CommSec’s State of the States report, out today, Queensland’s economic performance is still well behind the other mining states and even the ACT, despite a huge spike in construction work, stronger-than-average retail figures and a massive spend in equipment investment.

    The report coincides with a mining sector survey showing the industry is likely to cull another 1000 jobs this year and employ only about 540, adding further pressure to the unemployment rate sitting above 6.2 per cent, well above the national 5.4 per cent.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/queenslands-jobless-rate-is-proving-a-drag-on-the-nations-economy/story-fnefl294-1226557725424
    ————————
    So, Kiwi’s coming home then.

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  111. Viking2 (10,737 comments) says:

    Manolo UNMASKED.

    http://www.smh.com.au/tv/current-affairs/show/talk-asia/manolo-blahnik-4312103.html

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  112. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    From V2′s link:

    …..”Talk Asia meets up with Manolo Blahnik, one of the world’s most influential footwear designers. A so-called ‘Holy Man of Heels’, his shoes have been worn by a long list of celebrities and public figures, including Madonna, Kate Moss and Princess Diana. CNN’s Anna Coren finds out how a legendary Vogue editor steered him into the industry, what inspires him, and why he’s been known to wear his own high heels.”…..

    Revealing! :)

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  113. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    You’re claiming that the problem with the batteries on these new aircraft is a result of insufficient government regulation.

    Twat.

    No I wasn’t claiming that at all wat. Perhaps you should learn to read, lest you look like a twat.

    Again.

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  114. Azeraph (598 comments) says:

    hinamanu (2,050) Says:
    January 21st, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    What do you think of their national database for involuntary committed people who suffer from a wide range of mental conditions who have been deemed unfit to own or purchase a firearm? Does this violate their 2nd amendment rights?

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  115. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    That sounds very similar to our Manolo Blahblahblahnik, he has designs on putting shoes up a long list of politician’s bums (with his foot in them). Figuratively speaking of course.

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  116. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    “What do you think of their national database for involuntary committed people who suffer from a wide range of mental conditions who have been deemed unfit to own or purchase a firearm? Does this violate their 2nd amendment rights?’

    Clinically diagnosed mental sufferers should probably not have access to firearms. Paranoid and schizophrenic’s would shoot first and ask q’s later. Probably in crowded areas

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  117. Azeraph (598 comments) says:

    hinamanu (2,052) Says:
    January 21st, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Which is basically what everyone thinks and this has been in effect for sometime now except 8 or so states voluntarily withheld this information and I think some still do but since Pennsylvania had their mass shooting in 2010 they came on board and started to send their lists in prompting other states to follow suit. The average Americans rights are not being infringed over what? Some types of rifles suddenly not made available?

    I don’t know the full 23 proposals made by Obama so I’m going to look it up but it’s starting to look like the NRA are reacting too much in the extreme.

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  118. axeman (250 comments) says:

    Kea (1,788) Says:
    January 21st, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    I miss Griff. I do hope my fatalistic wee friend is ok and has not totally lost it in a haze of cannabis smoke :-)
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    Yeah me too Kea. The resident alarmist troll would be going apeshit over the fact that “GLOBAL WARMING has ENDED” and his “nutter” scientists who are baffled as to why :-)
    http://notrickszone.com/2013/01/19/spiegel-ends-europes-climate-denialism-european-media-now-scrambling-to-explain-end-of-warming/

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  119. axeman (250 comments) says:

    Meanwhile in the UK …. ‘What is this strange white stuff falling from the sky?’

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100198784/deddy-what-is-this-strange-white-stuff-falling-from-the-sky/

    ‘Children just aren’t going to know what snow is’ :-)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/9814618/Its-snowing-and-it-really-feels-like-the-start-of-a-mini-ice-age.html

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  120. chiz (1,095 comments) says:

    Hinamanu: Shooting “hundreds” of rounds in an enclosed space without ear protection (and there is no indication the dead young man found on the scene had any) would blow out your eardrums undermining your inner ear balance and your ability to stand up, let alone engage in these exertions.

    Bollocks. That might damage your hearing but it won’t blow your eardrums out. And your vestibular system, which handles balance, doesn’t depend on the eardrum. Consider, for example, children with Glue ear who have grommets installed. Is their balance suddenly affected? No, it isn’t.

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  121. Manolo (12,639 comments) says:

    The king of publicity: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jan/18/kim-dotcom-fight-internet-freedom

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