General Debate 28 January 2013

January 28th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    Good grief – are the same people still posting on the Bain threads?

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  2. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Well come on then nostradamus, you tell us when its going to end :)

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  3. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    How authentic is ‘the nice Mr Shearer’? Is he as nice as many claim?

    Impressions from the left are “unconvincing”, “unbelievable”, “awkward”, “artificial”.

    Is he really that bad?

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  4. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    Heh – apparently only when DPF shuts the threads down (as he threatened to do yesterday).

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  5. Andrei (2,657 comments) says:

    Holocaust Rememberence day – we will mark it by not remembering. Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, Mauthausen, Dachau, Majdanek, Babi Yar, Jasenovac, Staro Sajmište, Jajinci and Crveni Krst

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  6. Yvette (2,821 comments) says:

    Encasing the ruins of the earthquake-damaged Christ Church Cathedral in glass may be an ambitious idea, but it could be one of the cheapest options pitched to the Anglicans yet.
    Mayor Bob Parker’s controversial proposal to build a crystalline structure over the remnants of the cathedral was unveiled last week and he has now revealed the project could cost $45 million.

    but not even original –

    Parker found his inspiration for the idea in Norway’s Hedmark Museum, which has a large glass encasement protecting the ruins of Hamar Cathedral.

    As with some other issues – “What would Jesus have done?”

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  7. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    “As with some other issues – “What would Jesus have done?””

    Well, not eaten shellfish for a start would be my guess. :)

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  8. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    Pete George:

    First question before we analyse the delivery style: what percentage of the speech do you think Shearer, rather than his professional speechwriter, wrote?

    And the second question: did Shearer read the speech word-for-word, or did he deviate from the written speech and make off-the-cuff remarks?

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  9. Andrei (2,657 comments) says:

    Cathedrals are for the worship of God, cathedrals encased in glass are not particularly useful for that purpose.

    If the faithful want a cathedral, a cathedral will rise.

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  10. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Yvette (2,283) Says:
    January 28th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    As with some other issues – “What would Jesus have done?”

    He would have finished destroying it, ground it into dust and then salt the ground then got on a plane and went to china.

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  11. wat dabney (3,769 comments) says:

    Unfortunately the international Catholic church has no money or assets whatsoever, having given it all away to the poor and needy.

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  12. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    Pete George:

    I see you are currently sitting on 15,997 comments.

    Will your 16,000th comment be a comment about a comment someone made in response to a comment someone else made at The Standard? :)

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  13. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    Nostradamus…

    Answer one – my guess is it’s been written by a committee of speechwriters, most of whom know how to cut and paste from previous speeches. The only thing for sure is that Shearer doesn’t look and sound like he owns it.

    Answer two – can’t answer as I haven’t had time to watch the video right through (it’s very poor quality, Shearer is in the dark). But what I’ve seen seemed to be carefully read off the teleprompter (it’s been confirmed one was used). He even seemed surprised when the crowd laughed at one of ‘his’ ‘jokes’ so spontaneity was not obvious.

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  14. RF (1,399 comments) says:

    Morning HamnidaV2. Now that you have had time to digest your leaders weak speech I invite you to join the National Party. At least JKs policies do not depend on him winning Lotto.

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  15. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    Thanks Pete – that pretty much sums it up.

    The image you bring to mind is the scene in Shrek, when the king addresses his loyal subjects, and they have signs so the audience know when canned laughter is required.

    Weren’t people (of a Labour-leaning persuasion) raving about his speech at the Labour Party conference fairly recently? What’s changed?

    As a point of contrast, I remember watching Rodney Hide speak a few years ago. He opened by saying there were notes of the “official” speech for any journalist who wanted to see them. Then, for the benefit of the rest of us, he ditched the notes and, without referring to any other notes at all, spoke completely off-the-cuff about something else for the next 90 minutes or so.

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  16. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    @Pete George: so your aCunliffe supporter (the sort of useful fool the riightcan work with)? United Tobacco is looking more and more like a party for hire.

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  17. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    wart dumbney

    What part of “Anglican” do you not understand?

    Dick head.

    The Roman Catholic Church runs thousands of schools,hospitals,orphanages etc throughout the world.

    Yep I know this will be a lightning rod for the bigots and all the usual accusations will fly,but that doesn’t change the fact of the Church’s good work or that Wart brought Romans into an Anglican matter.Because he is a bigot.

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  18. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    Weren’t people (of a Labour-leaning persuasion) raving about his speech at the Labour Party conference fairly recently? What’s changed?

    Some were, but without conviction. Many more said at best it was better than expected (after very low expectations).

    But really nothing much has changed between that speech and this, the wooden/bewildered delivery, the policies and the lines were near identical. Ok, there were a few new attempts at sound bite lines but the gist was all same old.

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  19. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    “Encasing the ruins of the earthquake-damaged Christ Church Cathedral in glass may be an ambitious idea, but it could be one of the cheapest options pitched to the Anglicans yet.
    Mayor Bob Parker’s controversial proposal to build a crystalline structure over the remnants of the cathedral was unveiled last week and he has now revealed the project could cost $45 million. ”

    I am starting to get a bit sick of this. Some of the people in Christchurch seem to think that the tax payer is going to fund everything they have ever wanted because of the earthquake.
    Yes we have to rebuild the infrastructure of the city but we should not be expected to fund every single thing that the people of that city desire. For a start off we should not be funding places of ‘worship’. If the bloody bible bashers want to rebuild their church then the bastards should pay for it themselves.

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  20. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    hj – why do you think I’d be a Cunliffe supporter? There are not just two options in the world, Shearer or Cunliffe.

    I’ve never been a Cunliffe supporter. I respect some of what he did as a minister in the Clark Government, he’s got intellect and ability, but I don’t have a lot of trust in him.

    I was slightly hopeful when Shearer was selected as leader becasue I hoped he might live up to his promise of being a different non-partisan politician, but he has smashed that promise, and has added inept to it.

    But unlike some Labourites desperate for anyone to cling to I haven’t switched to Cunliffe. Amongst very slim pickings Robertson might be the best of the rest. But I despair for the future of Labour, such is their lack of talent and nous. It’s bad for the whole political scene to have a major party apparently train wrecking – yet still trying to stick to the same old track.

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  21. CHFR (229 comments) says:

    Bruv I for a christian hater you have finally hit the nail on the head, still a broken clock can be right twice a day.

    As far as I can tell the Anglican Church have been asking for just that ie; they can make the decision on THEIR Cathedral but too many who would never set foot in the church to worship seem to want to make the decision for them.

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  22. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    I see you are currently sitting on 15,997 comments.

    Gosh, I’ve only just noticed. Too late. But I don’t want to disappoint you, here are the last comments about me at The Standard, albeit one comment late:

    Can you guess who wrote that Coronial Wiper? Funny how your argument is comparable to Pete George’s eh!

    And…

    My comparing your argument to Pete George’s had nothing to do with Freud dumbass!

    http://thestandard.org.nz/labours-democratic-deficit/#comment-578231

    It’s weird to see them still randomly referring to me, it was five months ago I was banned.

    If I suddenly stopped commenting here would you keep talking about me? I wouldn’t bet my future on that.

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  23. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    A classy fomer mayor: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DETROIT_EX_MAYOR_PRISON?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-01-25-18-57-07

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  24. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    @ Pete Georvge. Gareth Morgan called it “Labours third world solution” (Chinese immigration). The Savings Working Group say that it appears to have worked directly against the adjustments we needed to make as a nation (having a bigger family). The Property Council and INfrastructure providers are hooked. Peter Dunne calls a capitsl gains tax “an envy tax” . W had the SwG report up his sleave but has been told to shut up or will compromise the coalition.

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  25. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    kowtow (3,582) Says:
    January 28th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    All the church needs to do is begin a great culling to weed out those who have fallen and hide behind the collar, strip the vatican city of it’s opulence and throw it all to more services for the vulnerable and stop wearing clothing of the pharisee’s, Christ and the 12 only wore sackcloth and yet they sit at the head of the table. The church was not meant to be built upon statues to the dead, if the Catholic church does not let go of the traditions of man and it’s reverence for men and past men, then it is lost no matter the great works it has done.It makes the church the least of the Seven if not fading from it’s place into blackness.

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  26. Redbaiter (8,925 comments) says:

    “If I suddenly stopped commenting here would you keep talking about me?”

    Probably only in the context of dreading your return and the near fatal dose of boredom it would produce.

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  27. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    Another view:

    It was a slightly risky speech for Shearer, but the media reception has been decent. Labour will be pleased with the coverage, and especially so when compared (source by source) with John Key’s hapless effort last week.

    That’s probably ‘real Labour’ that’s being referred to there, not the riff raff on blogs.

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  28. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    Funny Red, I thought of you when I posted that comment, you seem to go on and on about people after you’ve permanently departed from blogs.

    Hang on, didn’t you hissy fit and vow never to come back here?

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  29. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Pete George (16,001) Says:
    January 28th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Congrats on the “Big 16″ Bloody hell! How long have you been on the blog? When do you get your veteran benefit?

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  30. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    And hey, there are sometimes some really good comments at The Standard, even better than Red’s. Try this one from ‘Green machine UpandComer':

    I heart Meteria. She is so good. I can’t wait for NZ’s main export to be windmills for wind farms. I can’t wait to get a house for $300k in Auckland. I cannot wait for our macroeconomic woes to be cured by printing money. I’m really looking forward to all the job growth that will come from a ‘clean green economy’. I’m stoked that a Wellington lawyer is going to ‘pick all the winners’ in our economy. It will be great when the DPB is ramped up, I might quit my job, why bother, I’ll do some fishing in Gizzy. I can’t wait for a capital gains tax, I mean, what a boost for small investors who can’t afford a house but who might buy some shares. It will be excellent when an oz union representing a few dozen members can derail an entire NZ industry. It will be great when the next transmission Gully gets held up another 25 years because a local taniwha didn’t like the smell of cordite. It will be so good not having to employ migrant workers because kiwis won’t do a job that me and my family did for years. I’m looking forward to a return to 1970′s industrial law, because boy that was excellent. I look forward to the repoliticisation of the public service – and my, the job growth that will come from this! I’m buying shares in Fletcher building, because 100000, or was it one billion? houses practically for free is going to need a bit of investment I suppose. I can’t wait for the status quo to be maintained in education – talking to people from Hamilton will be wonderful. They’ll use complete sentences that don’t involve the All-Blacks.

    Yay for the left in NZ.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/states-of-it-turei-and-shearer/#comment-579535

    And a response from xtasy:

    F you, you distorter, liar and manipulator, I do not buy into such crap being allowed here.

    Not even Red is that funny.

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  31. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    Thank you to Scott Chris, Liabor’s a Joke, MT_Tinman, Steve (North shore) Griff, Nasska for your advice on chain oil the other day.

    In the end I didn’t do any felling at the weekend, owing to my wee fella having a bad night and waking me up at 1am, 3am and 5am. I was in no fit state for work after that…

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  32. Redbaiter (8,925 comments) says:

    You should see a doctor about your prostrate problems.

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  33. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    Disturbed to read this at FairfaxNZ. Liberal dogma bully boys n gals Dyson and Hague verbally rough up 18 year old teenager at Select Committee.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/01/28/bullying-bias-at-same-sex-select-committee/

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  34. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    Azeraph – I’ve only been here a few years, but I clocked up a lot in my early days having running battles with Red before he left permanently (or so he said at the time). That was in the days before Bain threads.

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  35. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    Kow tow
    You fail to realize that to an atheist the difference between camiknickers and angle cans is the silly clothes they wear.

    The cat licking church has a proud record of placing young people under the protection of its clergy.
    Then teaching them first hand about homosexuality and abuse. There is no better way to insure abuse is not continued than to bash it into children. The same effect holds true for homosexuality. if you have experienced the priests pure god blessed penis shoved up your arse or into your mouth you are obviously less likely to do it to others. The fact that the whole church has been involved in this loving expression of god from the choir boy with his nuts removed to the pope that transfers efficient teachers of anal rape to other places of sodomy proves their dedication to a better world .
    Importantly in modern times we have recognized this proud tradition of anal rape and abuse and now transfer the perpetrators of such education straight into jails and prisons .As well as this education of sodomy and bashing the church also has started to transfer some of its vast reserves of wealth to these poor people that have been in their care to the extent that many dioceses are now bankrupt. We all look forward to this trend of wealth dispersal to those in need to continue. Hope fully the Vatican is its self sold to support the receivers of the churches benevolent anal rape and abuse.

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  36. Andrei (2,657 comments) says:

    How churches are built by the Church

    The faithful through their prayer and labours, inspired by the love of God set to work and get it done – no politicans needed

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  37. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    Haw Haw, Wedbaiter made a funny! :neutral:

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  38. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    My wee fella has just learned to hold on until we can get him onto his potty, I thought that was pretty good for an 8 month old.

    You should have seen the Redbaiter he did in there yesterday, it was almost the size of one of mine.

    Baby-lead weaning certainly helps them take to solid foods quickly…

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  39. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    A tweet from @RealJoelRowan (so not from that blog, not evenfrom someone of the left):

    You’d think Labour would actually already be “ready to govern” given the bulk of their caucus is still Helen’s mob.

    What they haven’t realised is that that’s exactly the problem.

    Shearer’s reshuffle will be his next big test, that is more likely than his speech to define his year.

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  40. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    azeraph

    Sackcloth?When the woman washed His feet with the expensive stuff and one of the disciples said,too expensive give it to the poor,He said “Piss off mate!Keep washing luv.”

    So in those immortal words,Piss off. The poor will always be with us. And there’ll always be experts like you telling other people what to do with their money.

    Have you sold everything?

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  41. Redbaiter (8,925 comments) says:

    “Disturbed to read this at FairfaxNZ. Liberal dogma bully boys n gals Dyson and Hague verbally rough up 18 year old teenager at Select Committee.”

    A great post and one I recommend to all readers. (Tried to leave a comment there)

    What the hell is Kevin Hague on the select committee for anyway?

    What objective judgment could such a hate driven bigot bring to the matter any way.

    Yes, Hague is a hate driven bigot, and I am amazed so many who should know better are pandering to this most offensive creep. His treatment of the brave young girl Grace is just rank and disgusting cowardice.

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  42. Andrei (2,657 comments) says:

    Red – we all know the fix is in on this gay “marriage” nonsense.

    There is a lot of theatre with select committes and so forth to convince us that this thing being imposed upon us was democratically decided by the majority.

    That’s BS of course – but the trendoid yuppies must be given their will and to hell with the consequences for everybody else

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  43. Redbaiter (8,925 comments) says:

    A direct link to the news item.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8228307/Committee-menacing-to-anti-gay-teenager

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  44. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    griff’s off his meds.

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  45. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    most popular test ever

    [DPF: For those interested the plugin was upgraded to the pro version (which costs money). This actually provides extra security features. But until i had time to configure it, it meant there were no security features to stop multiple voting. It now uses cookies to black multiple votes. People can of course delete them if they are so passionate about voting twice. But I can change it to voting by IP or even restrict voting to logged in users]

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  46. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Griff (4,085) Says:
    January 28th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    How many Catholics do you personally know? and that state they have all been buggered? Say, Within your real world list of 200 people or more? Meaning, no one from online? If there is a few then how many are young as opposed to the older dad’s army generations?

    I thought for an Atheist you are suppose to espouse to the level of rational indifference? when was the last atheist burned at the stake in the last 30 years?

    When we feel strongly about something but have no real world experience of it (Which i’m not accusing you of) then it is easier to throw the first stone. Irrational response begets irrational response whether it is religious or non religious.

    Now here’s something one might consider. How much of a Kiwi Atheist are you? or are you a suborned American Atheist? A totally made up online American influenced as well as negative influenced Atheist? It’s a horrible thing to say because there is the religious counterpart to this as well, just take out the Atheist and put in the religious.

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  47. David Garrett (7,290 comments) says:

    It’s PROSTATE Russell old boy… that’s the thing that makes you get up for a wee three times a night..
    “prostrate” is what you are in front of the telly watching John Wayne in “Hellgfighters” or Stallone in “Rocky137″….

    Graeme E: You naughty boy…but you have just demonstrated how worthless “online polls” are…

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  48. Fletch (6,392 comments) says:

    Hehe – Mashup of Lance Armstrong doing ‘Creep’ by Radiohead.

    http://vimeo.com/58191312

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  49. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    “Rational” and griff don’t belong in the same sentence.

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  50. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Yes, Hague is a hate driven bigot

    The good ones keep on coming. I wonder if Hague likes gorillas.

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  51. Fletch (6,392 comments) says:

    Shot in a million

    A fan takes a halftime shot from mid-court and sinks it to win $75,000 and a giant bearhug from LeBron James :)

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  52. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    Graeme Edgeler deserves a Knighthood for services to blogging. I’ll ask the spinster comrade Clark to intercede on his behalf.

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  53. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    Of course, the Select Committee process on Wall’s Bill is a fan dance. And of course the homosexual activists won’t stop with redefining marriage, they have a never ending catalog of demands to ram down our throats. Adoption and hate speech laws to criminalize the thoughts of people opposed to the homosexual agenda are next.

    In the US now, some gay lobby groups like GLAD (Gay Lesbian Advocates & Defenders) are actively lobbying for full decriminalization of sex in public places. That’s right – They are demanding to have the “right” to engage in anonymous gay sex in public restrooms – George Michael style. Random, irresponsible meaningless sex. In fact GLAD was founded by homosexuals who were speaking out about claims that the Boston Police were unnecessarily harassing homosexuals who were seeking casual liaisons in the Boston Public Library toilets.

    Indeed, a study of the sexual profiles of 2583 older homosexuals published in the Journal Of Sex Research (Paul van der Ven ,1997) found that only 2.7% claimed to have had sex with one partner only. It also found that homosexual men had an mean lifetime number of 251 partners. Allowing marriage licenses to be issued to homosexual partnerships is not going to change this behaviour. This whole issue is about sexual militants (like Kevin Hague) dismantling our traditions and remaking the world in their own sordid image.

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  54. Redbaiter (8,925 comments) says:

    “The good ones keep on coming.”

    So you endorse and support the actions of this faux clearly biased and uncivil “committee” and the cowards who sit on it.

    How typical.

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  55. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    Graeme E: You naughty boy…but you have just demonstrated how worthless “online polls” are…

    Accidentally stumbled across it when doing another post, thought I’d come to general debate to ensure it was repeatable and not some fluke.

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  56. David Garrett (7,290 comments) says:

    I lie prostrate before you in admiration of your skills Graeme…

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  57. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    If you include posters on Kb the number of Catholics that I Know who have received abuse reaches 100%
    To me teaching dogma about the sky pixie and zombie Jesus to children is a form abuse.
    Using a position of authority to warp the minds of children to believe in supernatural nonsense is abuse of the first order.

    By the way atheism is not a religion its the lack of religion My atheist views where developed mostly by examining the hypocrisy and deceit within religion and a perusal of the history of both the church and the society’s it has infected.
    In order to not believe you must understand what it is you are not believing. There are perfectly acceptable answers to life and everything with out the leap of faith that belief in sky pixies entails

    Irrational would be continuing to deny the level of child abuse perpetrated by the so called holders of morality.
    Just about every catholic school and orphanage has proven cases of abuse against its members.
    This abuse has historical been hidden by the church even now in this enlightened time the church is still attempting to cover up and deny this reality. If “morality” was genuinely a concern of the church it would not have deliberately perpetrated then hidden abuse for century’s’

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  58. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    David Garrett –

    Too much information, Sir. Euw.

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  59. Redbaiter (8,925 comments) says:

    Hey DG, you would know about “prostrating”.

    You’ve been enthusiastically prostrating yourself to liberals and progressives when you should have been telling them to go fuck themselves.

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  60. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    Graeme Edgeler
    Could you please show how the trick was done to weddy
    He puts great stock into getting almost fifty likes on whale once
    If he could get the same level of support on KB it would do his self respect no end of good
    In fact if he knew the trick he could place 100,000,000 likes on true blue thus proving the true level of support for his political leaning. The normal sycophantic arse licking on true blue is no longer giving him quite the pleasure it once did.

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  61. David Garrett (7,290 comments) says:

    RRM: Well sir, I am not stimulating my prostate while thus paying obeisance to Mr Edgeler..

    Red Russell: Yes of course! that is why you have have achieved so much more than I ever did…

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  62. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Whatever happened to Global Warming(tm)?
    Are you freezing? Join the crowd. Arctic air is sweeping across Canada. Snow and ice are wreaking havoc on Britain. Russians are dying from the cold. And Germans are sneaking into forests to cut down trees because their fuel bills are so high.

    Hey! Whatever happened to global warming? That’s a naive question, of course. Everybody knows there’s little or no connection between daily weather events and climate change (except when there’s a heat wave, a hurricane or some other natural disaster, in which case global warming is invariably to blame). Experts will tell you that our bitter winter weather proves nothing about climate change – that the world is still warming up at an alarming rate.
    :::
    The European Union had the bright idea of setting up a system to trade carbon emission permits. So how has that worked out? The recession came along, and today the permits are all but worthless.

    According to the Swiss bank UBS, the scheme has cost European consumers about $280-billion for “almost zero impact” on carbon emissions.

    Meanwhile, artificially high electricity prices have made many European industries uncompetitive.

    How much suffering must NZ consumers and businesses sustain before the government unwinds the economic foolishness that is our own ETS?

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  63. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    How much suffering must NZ consumers and businesses sustain before the government unwinds the economic foolishness that is our own ETS?

    Forever.

    Spineless Labour lite will not abolish the ETS tax, an excellent source of revenue. On the other hand, Labour and the Luddites will even increase it to more painful thresholds. NZ is fucked, either way.

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  64. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    I am tired of the “Lefty” Aucklanders bitching as to how the New Zealanders Taxpayers (for that read the National Government/John Key) should pay for their railways, tunnels and other infrastructures.

    I do not live in Auckland, I do not go to Auckland, nor through north, and have not done so for many years.

    Why should I, as an actual Taxpayer, pay for their pecadillos.
    If Auckland want all these things then let them pay for it.
    My views are, I am sure supported by most of the 70% of the country who are not Aucklanders.

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  65. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    Yes boys the horrific cost of carbon credits for our total co2 use reaches the heady height of 8 dollars per person per year enough to send the entire business community broke.

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  66. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    I’ve just voted GE’s 10:33 up 5 times from my iPad. The karma river flows unchecked.

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  67. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    I see what you mean kk. I just gave you 10 :)

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  68. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Don’t stop rodders. This is a year’s worth of self-esteem in one thread :D

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  69. David Garrett (7,290 comments) says:

    Ok, cat among the pigeons time (before I go and do some hearty rural work with my son)

    If you remove a few of the wilder verbal flourishes from Urban Redneck’s 10.46, I largely agree that he is right. There are indeed radical gay activists all over the world who are determined to remove any link between heterosexual relationships, the nuclear family, and “normality”…the less radical of them want “equality”, so that gay relationships are just as “normal” as hetero ones; others wish the status quo to be reversed, so that gay relationships – and being homosexual – is “the norm”, and het couples producing children are rather odd anachronisms from a less enlightened age.

    Was it the Greeks who thought gay love was the superior form? I never was much on the classics..modern history was much more interesting…

    I have a gay acquaintance of more than 25 years standing who is quite convinced that all men are fundamentally gay, and that it is merely societal and other pressures which prevent us all “coming out”…

    so there you go

    Disclaimer: Garth McVicar’s recent flurry was all his own work, and I had nothing to do with it.

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  70. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    kk – someone is clicking the bad karma now. I hope the website doesn’t crash :)

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  71. cha (4,020 comments) says:

    It may well be remembrance day but the libel continues.

    http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2577/sunday_times_blood_libel_cartoon_on_holocaust_memorial_day_no_less

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  72. Andrei (2,657 comments) says:

    Well so much for the Karma thing – how long did it last before the ning nongs found a way to render it pointless?

    Two days or so

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  73. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    The first time the nongs hence forth referred to as conseronutters put me down for posting fact as apposed to silly spin
    Yesterday to my great delight I got 10 reds for pointing out a trend calculator that categorically disproves the repeated comment “no warming for 16 years”
    The same today, lots of red for pointing out the cost of the ETS is around 8 dollars a person per year and is not adding massive amounts of cost to anything
    I guess realty is a little hard to cope with for some. :lol:

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  74. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    :-) Serepisos put on his arse and then ejected from wellington cup by security.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8229942/Serepisos-fight-at-races-one-on-one

    And no charges for the gentleman who put him on his arse, excellent.
    Amazing how the skirt hovers around the smell of money like flies around shit though… and it doesn’t matter how dirty the money is!

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  75. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    The first time the nongs hence forth referred to as conseronutters put me down …

    The poor little egotistical cry baby not getting the approval he craves. Even the climate seems to be against him, by its refusal to warm and the only sea level rise has been at high tide twice a day.

    So much for the popular “Consensus” we hear so much about (from him).

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  76. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    If grief’s definition of “abuse” is nonsense being taught to youngsters,then our whole education system is “abusive” given that it has gone over lock stock and barrel to the religion of man made global warming, and Gaia worship.

    And parliament is abusing us by taxing us for it etc etc etc

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  77. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    I wonder if “nongs & conseronutters [sic]” are “scientific” terms ?

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  78. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    Yes chow tow few kowtow to the stupid religion of sky pixies and Jesus zombies any more
    We teach science in schools not creationism and god bothering
    That means the science behind global warming is taught
    Not pathetic crap from ether the conservonutters bible of the denial echo chamber
    As I pointed out getting thumbs down for posting fact shows the mindset of the dittoheads.

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  79. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Graeme Edgeler (2,716) Says:
    January 28th, 2013 at 10:51 am
    Graeme E: You naughty boy…but you have just demonstrated how worthless “online polls” are…

    Accidentally stumbled across it when doing another post, thought I’d come to general debate to ensure it was repeatable and not some fluke.

    It does provide one with an opportunity to demonstrate a bit of self loving, in a public context. That can’t be a bad thing, can it? ;-)

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  80. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Yvette (2,285) Says:
    January 28th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Encasing the ruins of the earthquake-damaged Christ Church Cathedral in glass may be an ambitious idea, but it could be one of the cheapest options pitched to the Anglicans yet.
    Mayor Bob Parker’s controversial proposal to build a crystalline structure over the remnants of the cathedral was unveiled last week and he has now revealed the project could cost $45 million.

    but not even original –

    Parker found his inspiration for the idea in Norway’s Hedmark Museum, which has a large glass encasement protecting the ruins of Hamar Cathedral.

    As with some other issues – “What would Jesus have done?”

    —————————————————-
    Probably would have sighed, wiped his brow and said “Jesus Christ, do you think the taxpayers can replace churches like I can fish”

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  81. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    [DPF: For those interested the plugin was upgraded to the pro version (which costs money). This actually provides extra security features. But until i had time to configure it, it meant there were no security features to stop multiple voting. It now uses cookies to black multiple votes. People can of course delete them if they are so passionate about voting twice. But I can change it to voting by IP or even restrict voting to logged in users]

    Now that’s a challenge!

    Is it still broken? Yes it is.

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  82. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Griff (4,086) Says:
    January 28th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    I don’t see Dogma being taught in schools and I actually approve as it is up to the individual to choose how and what they want to believe and you’re not in a minority, you only have to use your eyes, your real eye’s to know this. This is meant to be from the perspective of the Christian bible except when it comes to American Atheism, regardless of what the individual states, the groups are moving towards adopting church structure to rival what they want to replace and over take.

    It’s actually quite silly to watch as it is not setting up a new entity but rather replacing it with the same system. You know what they say “Fight something long enough you eventually become it” I don’t have a problem with Atheism, we choose what we want but the Catholic bashing is a joke, the Church knows it has a lot to answer for and it does not heed the times of reform offered to it at this time so, it deserves what is coming.The desertion en mass of it’s followers and they adhere out of filial loyalty and tradition pending on which country one is in, rather than actual belief. Of course the American system was in answer to the nut cases that call themselves Evangelists and have set about using political clout to gain power when their faith teaches otherwise.

    One thing i’m trying to watch is the blind crusader syndrome and online it can raise it’s ugly head in all of us, it can drive us to become the most hated of all. The Demagogue.

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  83. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    How much suffering must NZ consumers and businesses sustain before the government unwinds the economic foolishness that is our own ETS?

    Till the end of Key and his super buddy Nick Smith

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  84. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Viking2, do you think what would replace Key would be better ? Can you imagine the current Labour party ruling us, combined with the Greens ?

    NZ should reject the ETS, and impliment genuine environmental protections addressing real problems and providing real results. We can not afford to play games based on computer models

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  85. David Garrett (7,290 comments) says:

    Graeme: Have you converted to anarchy over the season of peace and goodwill?

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  86. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    There is a position for all.
    I chose to appose religion with as much devout as they push their god onto us
    To preach morality is it not: let those who are without sin………
    The catholic church has no right over this country’s morality. It should shut and stop judging the rest of society until such time as it can reassure us that all of the abuse and corruption from the past has been placed into the light.

    The morality of Jesus is so corrupted by religion’s bigots who preach judgement and intolerance as to be a parody of his actual teachings.
    The man was an interesting philosopher who preached a progressive world view to counter the religious intolerance and control of the time. The hocus pocus and dogma from the roman catholic tradition was added latter and has become the very thing that the man taught against.

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  87. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    Graeme: Have you converted to anarchy over the season of peace and goodwill?

    I’ve had my fun now. If I was going to encourage anarchy, I’d tell everyone how to do it, but since DPF asked, I’ve told him. Claiming you’ve fixed a computer system is just asking for someone to prove you wrong, however.

    But I do quite like how my first comment now has over 100 ‘real’ likes.

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  88. Scott Chris (6,139 comments) says:

    If I were still an Anglican, I’d want a warm, functional, reasonably priced center of worship with good acoustics.

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  89. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Graeme Edgeler – CTRL+SHIFT+N for a new incognito window works. Filtering by IP address would seem to be the way to prevent that, but would then affect multiple people on a network coming from one gateway from having individual voting.

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  90. Yvette (2,821 comments) says:

    It also found that homosexual men had a mean lifetime number of 251 partners.

    Sounds good – what would one have to do the become a qualified gay divorce lawyer?

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  91. David Farrar (1,898 comments) says:

    Testing.

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  92. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Yvette – becoming a qualified divorce lawyer would be my guess.

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  93. Fletch (6,392 comments) says:

    Sounds good – what would one have to do the become a qualified gay divorce lawyer?

    There’s not enough people to get you any work…
    The gay population is only about 2% – 3%

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  94. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    retesting

    appears fixed.

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  95. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Hackers sympathetic to the late computer prodigy Aaron Swartz claim to have infiltrated the website of the US Justice Department’s Sentencing Commission, and said they planned to release government data.

    The Sentencing Commission site, ussc.gov, was shut down early on Saturday.

    Identifying themselves as Anonymous, a loosely organised group of unknown provenance associated with a range of recent online actions, the hackers voiced outrage over Swartz’ suicide on January 11.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5NTnPNNMtpw

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/8231505/Anonymous-launch-Swartz-revenge-hack

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  96. Mobile Michael (452 comments) says:

    Another Provincial Holiday, another day stuffed up. I suggest we reform!

    Can all the provincial holidays and have the Monday closest to Matariki instead. Move Queens Birthday to late January – it is a summer holiday in the UK, we can follow their lead.

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  97. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Finally, a sheriff with some sense:

    Sheriff Brandon also told journalists that if he was ever anally probed by creatures from another galaxy that he wouldn’t go around telling the media and everybody in town about it. As the sheriff said, “I would keep stuff like that to myself.”

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  98. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Ah chiz, you and the sheriff have been duped by far larger conspiracy. You see aliens gave us the transistor and supersonic flight in return for:

    …”research” [that] mirrors the war crimes of human mutilation and torture committed by the Japanese and Germans in World War two.

    Each year hundreds of decent Americans are victims to this “research,” as well as thousands of innocent and loving animals and plants of every species.

    Won’t someone think of the peaceful, loving cucumbers?!

    Of course the author has evidence!! The existence of the top, top secret, evil Anal Probe Corporation whose website clearly shows… oh, wait…

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  99. wat dabney (3,769 comments) says:

    Reid?

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  100. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Redbaiter:A great post and one I recommend to all readers. (Tried to leave a comment there)

    I take it you had problems commenting on his site? I’ve had problems too.

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  101. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    Paulus

    “Why should I, as an actual Taxpayer, pay for their pecadillos.
    If Auckland want all these things then let them pay for it.
    My views are, I am sure supported by most of the 70% of the country who are not Aucklanders.”

    Oh dear!. Paulus, if the Jafa’s were to do as you say then your miserable little hick town would have no money spent on it at all. Jafa’s fund the rest of NZ, you should be kissing their backside. Every time you have your local road repaired you should thank the people of Auckland.

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  102. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    “Can all the provincial holidays and have the Monday closest to Matariki instead.”

    What the fuck is Matariki and why the hell should we care?

    A better idea would be for the rest of NZ to fall in line with Auckland/Waikato and have their anniversary when the Jafa’s and cow fuckers have theirs.

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  103. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/e6c2vmq7hg6d3bq/Selling.jpg

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  104. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Oh God. Not the anal probe. Again:

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  105. Longknives (4,753 comments) says:

    Seriously- Who the hell ‘lip-synchs’ the fucking National Anthem at the Presidential inauguration??
    I’m not even American and I find this offensive….

    http://www.washingtonian.com/blogs/afterhours/inauguration-2013/did-beyonce-lip-sync-the-star-spangled-banner.php

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  106. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    It’s symptomatic of Obummer’s presidency………false and showy.

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  107. Longknives (4,753 comments) says:

    Now this is how you sing the American National Anthem live…
    Marvin didn’t need any fucking ‘Auto Tune’ or ‘Lip Synch’

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  108. Longknives (4,753 comments) says:

    Neither did Jimi…

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  109. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Thanks Longknives,

    you made your point well, and,
    kowtow backed you up well with truth.

    i hope obamalovers get it.
    But of course they will not.

    Your right, it’s fucking offensive.

    Fucking disgusting.

    A bullshit president and a bullshit lypsynch
    National anthem.

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  110. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    one day we will love our own country this much.

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  111. Redbaiter (8,925 comments) says:

    Most Obama bots wouldn’t have a damn clue what the song is about or least of all its origins-

    On September 3, 1814, following the Burning of Washington and the Raid on Alexandria, Francis Scott Key and John Stuart Skinner set sail from Baltimore aboard the ship HMS Minden, flying a flag of truce on a mission approved by President James Madison. Their objective was to secure the exchange of prisoners, one of whom was Dr. William Beanes, the elderly and popular town physician of Upper Marlboro and a friend of Key’s who had been captured in his home.

    Beanes was accused of aiding the arrest of British soldiers. Key and Skinner boarded the British flagship HMS Tonnant on September 7 and spoke with Major General Robert Ross and Vice Admiral Alexander Cochrane over dinner while the two officers discussed war plans. At first, Ross and Cochrane refused to release Beanes, but relented after Key and Skinner showed them letters written by wounded British prisoners praising Beanes and other Americans for their kind treatment.

    Because Key and Skinner had heard details of the plans for the attack on Baltimore, they were held captive until after the battle, first aboard HMS Surprise and later back on HMS Minden. After the bombardment, certain British gunboats attempted to slip past the fort and effect a landing in a cove to the west of it, but they were turned away by fire from nearby Fort Covington, the city’s last line of defense.

    During the rainy night, Key had witnessed the bombardment and observed that the fort’s smaller “storm flag” continued to fly, but once the shell and Congreve rocket[4] barrage had stopped, he would not know how the battle had turned out until dawn. By then, the storm flag had been lowered and the larger flag had been raised.

    During the bombardment, HMS Erebus provided the “rockets’ red glare”. HMS Meteor provided at least some of the “bombs bursting in air”.

    Key was inspired by the American victory and the sight of the large American flag flying triumphantly above the fort. This flag, with fifteen stars and fifteen stripes, came to be known as the Star Spangled Banner Flag and is today on display in the National Museum of American History, a treasure of the Smithsonian Institution. It was restored in 1914 by Amelia Fowler, and again in 1998 as part of an ongoing conservation program.

    Aboard the ship the next day, Key wrote a poem on the back of a letter he had kept in his pocket. At twilight on September 16, he and Skinner were released in Baltimore. He completed the poem at the Indian Queen Hotel, where he was staying, and entitled it “Defence of Fort McHenry”.

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  112. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    HamiltonJet MD slams John Key’s acceptance of high NZ$ as “arrogant and not very intelligent”; says over-valued NZ$ big threat to its business

    Whiteley was asked after the apperance before the parliamentary inquiry what he thought of Prime Minister John Key’s recent comments that little could be done to bring the New Zealand dollar down and that it was good for importers and consumers.

    “It really is an arrogant view and it’s not really very intelligent,” Whiteley said.

    “The single target (of inflation between 1-3%) is now past it’s use-by date. It’s time the government did its bit,” he said, arguing HamiltonJet was continually improving its efficiency and productivity.

    http://www.interest.co.nz/currencies/62891/hamiltonjet-md-slams-john-keys-acceptance-high-nz-arrogant-and-not-very-intelligent

    More and worth the read.

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  113. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    bereal

    “one day we will love our own country this much.”

    I bloody hope not. Rampant nationalism is never a good thing.

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  114. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    How concerned are you about housing affordability?
    January 23, 2013 – 10:03am, Gareth Vaughan

    Not concerned. People can just rent, or borrow more money and/or set their sights lower.
    78% (214 votes)
    Very concerned. I and/or my kids may struggle to buy our own home.
    14% (39 votes)
    Moderately concerned. There are still affordable homes or apartments around if you’re prepared to look and move suburbs or to a new city/town.
    7% (20 votes)
    Total voters: 273
    http://www.interest.co.nz/node/62821

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  115. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    A woman walks into her doctor’s office, scared of the recent
    strange development to the inside of her thighs, a green spot
    on the inside of each. They won’t wash off, they won’t scrape
    off, and they seem to be getting worse.

    The doctor assures her he’ll get to the bottom of this, and
    that she needn’t worry until the tests come back.
    He sends her home.

    A few days later, the women’s phone rings..
    Much to her relief, it’s the doctor. She immediately begs
    to know what’s going on with these “spots”??

    “You’re perfectly healthy….there’s no problem,
    “But I’m wondering…is your husband a Harley rider?”
    the doctor asks.

    “Yes, how did you know”?

    “Tell him his earrings aren’t real gold”.

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  116. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    From Longknives link:

    However, the band and the singer had decided Sunday night to use a precorded music track, since they were unable to coordinate a time for a full rehearsal. “She wasn’t comfortable performing without a rehearsal, and I wasn’t comfortable that either,” he said. “We always knew that was a possibility.” Every singer in yesterday’s inauguration had a “safety” track at the ready in case weather, temperatures, or instrument problems arose at the last minute; Kelly Clarkson’s was recorded on Saturday in Washington, although she did sing “My Country ‘Tis of Thee” live at the ceremony.

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  117. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Longknives

    Marvin just needed a hooter full didn’t even need an inauguration. Anyway he can’t have been that flash because Dad wasn’t that happy a year later

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  118. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    big bruv ,

    You might hate your own country,
    good on you , but then what have you got ?

    You poor sick fuck.

    Think about it.

    .

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  119. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    Glug glug again teach :wink:
    Another one that should learn to toke up and stop the evil alcohol destroying his life.

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  120. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    bereal

    Are you really one of those sad bastards who is “proud to be a kiwi”?

    Are you so lacking in self worth that you have to cling to the collective idea that being a “kiwi” is special? Ask yourself this, what do you have to be proud of?

    The reality is bereal that we don’t have anything here that the rest of the world does not have (save for a few birds and the like)

    We are not unique, we are not special, we are no better than any other civilised first world country. So what is there to be proud of?

    Rampant nationalism is a very dangerous thing indeed. If you cannot see that then you are more stupid than I thought.

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  121. Longknives (4,753 comments) says:

    Yeah with the benefit of hindsight Marvin and his dad should probably have laid off the crack cocaine (that and collecting handguns)
    Great singer though- Could teach today’s talentless bunch of ‘Auto Tune’ no hopers a thing or two..

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  122. Redbaiter (8,925 comments) says:

    People with no education and who therefore don’t know the difference between nationalism and patriotism are good examples of where the Nazis occupying France found recruits for their thuggish Vichy Police.

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  123. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    Redbaiter.

    Patriotism is even more dangerous than Nationalism.

    Look at the pathetic displays we see on our TV every week when we are force fed inane American sporting contests. Not one of these bowl things, or rounders series can start without the sickening and compulsory sight of faux devotion to the stars and stripes.

    Nationalism and Patriotism are used by control freaks such as yourself Redbaiter to control or silence those who speak out against your fucked up idea of how the world should be.

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  124. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    And being very slow and a late developer, went and saw The Hobbit in High Frame Rate 3D last night.

    I must say, its still a bloody long way to the Mountain but the technology is stunning, if this is what we will be seeing every day in 5 years time going to the pictures is once again an exciting place

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  125. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Now we have Paulesatbay @8.06″,’
    ‘what the fuck was that moron trying to say ?’
    Can sumwun intertpret Pauleastbays effort
    @ 8.06 Wtf was that about ?

    Griff would understand.

    Griff can explain how it all proves his theory of global warming.
    The fucking idiot.

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  126. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    PEB. Ya musta been holdin hands with one of the local darkies then.

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  127. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    quite simple bereal what I typed was typed by a sober person,

    but translated for the alcoholically impaired, what I said was, ‘ Marvin Gaye had a chronic addiction to crack cocaine so he probably did’nt know where he was or care where he was performing and that it was sad that less than a year later his father shot him dead.

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  128. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    Sorry beryl I dont speak drunk
    so I would find it hard to put it in a way you could understand.
    You could Google the reference as modern people do

    Damn it you poor old sod here it is
    http://investigation.discovery.com/investigation/hollywood-crimes/gaye/marvin-gaye.html

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  129. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Last Saturday, my laptop was stolen from my car while I was shopping.
    Lucky for me, there was a surveillance camera mounted on the wall near my car, and security personnel were able to give me a pretty good image of the suspect.

    Now the police have asked me to circulate the picture to people I know, to see if they know or have seen the suspect.
    I immediately thought of you for help on this.

    If you recognize the suspect, please let me know.
    I am not really interested in my laptop anymore as it is insured, but I would just like to get my hands on the person who stole it.

    Does this look like anyone you know?

    http://screencast.com/t/b1v1SR9QSB0

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  130. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Good nite all.

    You will be able to figure it out for yourselves.

    As you fuck each other trying to prove your points.

    And good luck to your families.

    By the way, yes, i’m proud to be a Kiwi.

    big bruv and his mates can have a circle fuck as they decide what they are proud to be.

    Nothing.

    As usual.

    How easy for a drunk to stir up all these morons .

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  131. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    V2

    I do, I’d recognise that thieving c%#t any where

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  132. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Just before i go iv’e just read big bruvs effort @ 8.16

    You fucking idiot big bruv. You sick fuck.

    You got nothing to be proud of ?

    You hate your own country ?

    Kill yourself, you fucking idiot.

    [DPF: 40 demerits. Totally unacceptable]

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  133. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    Goodness me!

    That seems a bit over the top bereal. Might pay to lay off the drink old chap.

    Mind you, something tells me we might have earned a bit of a break from you for a while.

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  134. wat dabney (3,769 comments) says:

    Being proud of being a Kiwi is no better or worse than being proud of being gay.

    It’s stupid.

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  135. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    The scientist are predicting more extreme weather in the great global warming hoax

    The cost of insurance is rising to pay for a strange and unexplained rise in high cost natural disasters

    As well as increasing food costs due to again wild and extreme weather.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/24/australia-wheat-idUSL4N0AR21N20130124
    http://www.northernadvocate.co.nz/news/big-dry-takes-a-toll-in-north/1733427/
    http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/three-dead-record-breaking-rain-falls-5327851
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/9767882/Wettest-year-on-record-for-England…-and-still-more-rain-and-wind-to-come.html
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-09/u-s-drought-persisting-seen-as-threat-to-corn-soybean-crops.html
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-11/climate-panel-says-coastal-areas-at-risk-from-extreme-weather.html

    Climate change the greatest scientific hoax ever ?

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  136. wat dabney (3,769 comments) says:

    The scientist are predicting more extreme weather in the great global warming hoax

    Would that be the same scientists who predicted the runaway global warming that never happened?

    Oh no.

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  137. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    wat that is simply untrue. Many scientists said that would not happen. And they were right :)

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  138. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    Why do you chose to degenerate the achievement our society has achieved
    Little things like universal suffrage . Splitting the atom. The summit of Everest
    We rate as outstanding in inconsequential details like
    health, education, environment, freedom from corruption, community, life satisfaction,
    freedom.
    Take out income, work life balance and housing see who is left
    http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/#/00555555550
    We have a culture and a history we can be justly proud of
    Nationalism and patriotism as per the USA. No. Piss on the flag, moon the governor general and always butcher the words to glod defend NZ.

    Proud of my nation yes Why not .

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  139. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    To be expected: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57566072/israel-warns-of-possible-pre-emptive-chemical-weapons-strike-in-syria/
    Go the Jewish State!

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  140. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    So, a new week and its seems Mr Slippery is right up there, this time for either another memory lapse or just plain telling porkies.

    The identity of a United States spy who mysteriously landed in Wellington last year can be revealed as National Security Agency director General Keith Alexander.

    The visit by the senior spook was so top secret that Prime Minister John Key repeatedly refused to name him. The four-star general sparked intrigue when his US army jet landed at the capital’s airport late in November.

    Mr Key, the minister in charge of intelligence services, initially denied knowledge of the plane, and, despite pledging to find out more, later refused to reveal the identity of the visitor.

    Sources say General Alexander visits New Zealand up to four times a year, and Mr Key would have approved the visits.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8233486/Mystery-spooks-identity-confirmed

    Not sure why he needs to do this. Stupid in the extreme. But becoming a hallmark of his time as PM. A time that’s starting to look limited.

    A spokeswoman for Mr Key said yesterday: “As the prime minister said last year, he doesn’t track every official that comes to New Zealand and he did not believe it was in the public interest to talk about who was on the plane.”

    Really, how stupid do these people think the world is?

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  141. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    V2:

    Whiteley was asked after the apperance before the parliamentary inquiry….

    Parliamentary Inquiry? Since when? Nah…. it was simply another WOFTM knee jerk from the opposition parties.

    And clearly the reporter missed the fact that, if the dollar was ever manipulated down for some reason, all imports would increase in price…. including everyday commodities such as oil etc. Pffttt….

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  142. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    griff –

    Climate change the greatest scientific hoax ever ?

    Yes

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