General Debate 29 January 2013

January 29th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Pete George (23,687 comments) says:

    Breakfast versus Firstline – who watches either? Both? Neither?

    This morning Rachel Smalley tweeted “No fluff, just the facts.” Is that a fair comment? A dig at the opposition?

    Is Breakfast more bubble than rice?

    http://yournz.org/2013/01/29/breakfast-versus-firstline/

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  2. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Polar Bear steaks anyone? : POLAR BEAR INVASION: TWICE AS MANY AS ESTIMATED

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  3. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Nom nom.

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  4. Lance (2,719 comments) says:

    For you KK they could reserve the livers, as a special treat.

    :-)

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  5. Sofia (869 comments) says:

    Mr Key, the minister in charge of intelligence services, initially denied knowledge of the plane, and, despite pledging to find out more, later refused to reveal the identity of the visitor.

    Did Key actually say “I pledge I will find out”? Or, even after Pike River, did he dare say “I promise”?
    Just changing a verb here and an adjective there, is not as full-on as Holmes confession that prior to the Historic Interview he discussed with his producer their intention to cause Dennis Connor to walk, but it is annoying to have to decipher just the simplest news item to separate the sparse facts from the reporter’s own bullshit.

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  6. Carlos (683 comments) says:

    What’s the point in telling NZers not to invest so heavily in property when we have people telling the Chinese to invest in our property?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/property/news/article.cfm?c_id=8&objectid=10861802

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  7. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    Breakfast versus Firstline – who watches either?

    Personally, I don’t waste time watching this crap.

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  8. Duxton (657 comments) says:

    Sofia: It’s quite simple. John Key pledged to “find out” about the plane. That doesn’t mean he has to reveal who was on it, or anything else about it. After all, it is a intelligence/security matter.

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  9. Nookin (3,471 comments) says:

    Breakfast v Firstline

    I’ll watch Peter Williams for the news but from that point it descends to playschool mentality — esp the new weather guy. I get tired of Rachel’s breathless pauses and the repetition that we get on firstline. We are not well served for morning TV.

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  10. alex Masterley (1,523 comments) says:

    I am in your camp Nookin. Although i do take whatever Williams reads as a guide only to what is in the news. Sometimes what he has to read is utter rubbish.
    I don’t watch the other programe as I can’t (don’t particularly want to) find the channel on the tv in our kitchen

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  11. iMP (2,422 comments) says:

    Death to the Death Star. The White House officially responds to the petition. May the Farce be with you.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/may-the-farce-be-with-you-white-house-responds-to-death-star/

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  12. Sofia (869 comments) says:

    Duxton – you missed the point completely – good luck with reading anything else

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  13. Pete George (23,687 comments) says:

    NZ Herald quotes an ex cop who warns that increasing the WoF period will increase deaths. Should we decrease WoFs to monthly to reduce deaths?

    Drivers cause many more road deaths than car defects. Should the fitness of drivers be tested every 6 months?

    http://yournz.org/2013/01/29/monthly-warrant-of-fitness-for-drivers/

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  14. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (346 comments) says:

    MARRIAGE DEFINITION ACT
    Clause 2 provides for the Bill to come into force on the day after the date on which it receives the Royal assent.

    As representative of the Queen, does the Governor General reflect the Queen’s belief’s on this matter, her being Head of the Church of England – expressly exempt for the British same sex marriage bill – or the New Zealand Parliament?
    And if not, why have Royal assent to anything?

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  15. Keeping Stock (10,443 comments) says:

    Did David Shearer take advice on Labour’s affordable housing policy from the Four Yorkshiremen?

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/now-about-those-300k-homes.html

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  16. Pete George (23,687 comments) says:

    All breakfast TV shows have repetitive cycles, presumably catering for the people who get up at different times, many of whom are just at home for a while before going to work.

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  17. Adele Keyshia (39 comments) says:

    Bring back Paul Henry! He’s a dickhead, but an entertaining dickhead

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  18. All_on_Red (1,650 comments) says:

    Sabotage at Iran nuclear facility suspected after huge explosion.
    http://mobile.wnd.com/2013/01/sabotage-key-iranian-nuclear-facility-hit/
    Good job, last thing we need is more Nuclear weapons .

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  19. meh (165 comments) says:

    I await the outcry from the unions slamming this irresponsible employer who like all money hungry capitalist corporations is only interested in making money off the backs of the poor employees and not supporting their wellbeing….

    oh wait a minute

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8233377/Workmates-weigh-in-to-meet-new-goal

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  20. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    krazykiwi

    Your polar bear story was good. Just goes to show how little the city dwelling scientists and environmentalists know about real life.

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  21. dime (10,134 comments) says:

    Alison Mau was on ZB this morning speaking to Susan Wood. Talk about a painful listen.

    Ive never heard Mau speak openly before.. shes normally reading news or whatever. cant say i was impressed.

    it does make me laugh the way they always sneer the word “bloggers”. like bloggers are just a joke. reality is – the crap the likes of mau serves up is a joke.

    also heard susan wood say something along the lines of “parents who have to drive their little darlings to school”. now dont get me wrong. Dime agrees 100%. But its a bit rich coming from her. miss “i yelled at my children”.

    rant over. im starting to sound like boy george discussing the standard…

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  22. Viking2 (11,575 comments) says:

    So, a new week and its seems Mr Slippery is right up there, this time for either another memory lapse or just plain telling porkies.

    The identity of a United States spy who mysteriously landed in Wellington last year can be revealed as National Security Agency director General Keith Alexander.

    The visit by the senior spook was so top secret that Prime Minister John Key repeatedly refused to name him. The four-star general sparked intrigue when his US army jet landed at the capital’s airport late in November.

    Mr Key, the minister in charge of intelligence services, initially denied knowledge of the plane, and, despite pledging to find out more, later refused to reveal the identity of the visitor.

    Sources say General Alexander visits New Zealand up to four times a year, and Mr Key would have approved the visits.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8233486/Mystery-spooks-identity-confirmed

    Not sure why he needs to do this. Stupid in the extreme. But becoming a hallmark of his time as PM. A time that’s starting to look limited.

    A spokeswoman for Mr Key said yesterday: “As the prime minister said last year, he doesn’t track every official that comes to New Zealand and he did not believe it was in the public interest to talk about who was on the plane.”

    Really, how stupid do these people think the world is?
    Its the lies and bullshit that always get ya.

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  23. iMP (2,422 comments) says:

    BREAKING NEWS. Iran nuke facility has exploded. Confirmed by various news sources and Israel poli.s

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/iran-nuclear-facility-explodes-confirmed-times-london-times-tel-aviv/

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  24. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    I wish Aotearoans would grow the fuck up and get over this commie inspired anti American bullshit.

    we’re all lovey dovey ,independant, UN fucken driven foreign policy,kiss a native,our guns don’t kill ….blah blah bollocks.

    Our traditions ,heritage,laws, history,belong in the English speaking ,ethnically British UK, US common law sphere. They are our historical allies ,that’s as it should be.

    That includes Canada and Australia.

    Attempts from the radical feminist far left of Labour (and their witting or unwitting progressive fellow travellers) to distance us from our history and heritage should be recognised and resisted.

    This includes the anti democratic break from the Privy Council and ongoing attempts at republicanism.

    The media are complicit in this.

    Get real and grow up.

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  25. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    so allowing non residents to buy property is “unusual in the world”?
    Property rights are good for..us.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/property/news/article.cfm?c_id=8&objectid=10861802

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  26. dime (10,134 comments) says:

    iMP – great news! thanks for that!

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  27. dime (10,134 comments) says:

    kowtow – couldnt agree more!

    we have become such an arrogant little country. sitting here at the bottom of the world in a privileged position thinking we know best about everything.

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  28. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    Nice!

    I’ve had no doubt Israel would take action since I watched a doco recently about the Israeli air strike on Saddam Hussein’s nuke plant in 1981.. I’d never heard of that before then. They certainly have balls in that country – more fool Iran for thinking it would be any different for them…

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  29. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    kowtow @10.29am: +100

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  30. dime (10,134 comments) says:

    RRM – they dont fuck around :D

    And as an added bonus is drives lefties nuts hehe

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  31. Pete George (23,687 comments) says:

    Green MP Holly Walker is grizzling about a charity wanting sponsors for Kiwi Kids. She wants government to provide everything.

    I think that’s a major flaw in Green’s good intentions – they want the power to deliver social solutions whereas decent leadership would be inspiring individuals and communities to do more for themselves. So Greens have a conflict of increasing political power versus helping to empower people.

    Holly Walker wrong to emphasise Government fixes

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  32. James Stephenson (2,233 comments) says:

    We are not well served for morning TV.

    Which is why I watch channel 90, at least until the Australians take over from the Brits.

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  33. sbk (313 comments) says:

    Dime says @9.55 “the way they always sneer the word “bloggers”.” sneer,smear eg adlib…it is what you do when you havn’t a fresh story to report/comment on,one that hasnt already been covered(with better depth and debate) by a blog or two…makes you kind of redundant..

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  34. mikenmild (11,777 comments) says:

    Puzzled
    In New Zealand, as in England, the Royal Assent is something of a formality, the Governor-General gives his assent as advised by the Executive Council (the Cabinet plus the GG). The GG does have reserve power to refuse assent, but this has never been exercised in NZ and is available to him in case of some form of constitutional crisis.

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  35. gravedodger (1,573 comments) says:

    Who watches either, only those to lazy to get out and do something worthwhile.
    When was the last occasion when some actual “NEWS” was presented, just asking.

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  36. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    Sensationalism from a left-wing rag: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8233251/Sponsorship-programme-for-Kiwi-kids

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  37. Jinky (189 comments) says:

    is it only racist when NZ political parties call for it? this article from the China daily New rules to restrict foreigners’ ownership of homes http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2012-02/03/content_14528617.htm. Any chance John Key will come out and describe the Chinese Govt as racists??

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  38. dime (10,134 comments) says:

    LMAO

    sponsor a kid for $1.15 a day? HAHAHAHAHA

    oh no, they have pulled on my heart strings! sign me up!

    The kids parents will be able to upgrade to mysky! maybe even the hd ticket too woo hooooooooo

    Dime will sponsor a kid for $35 a month, just reduce my tax rate to 25% ya scumbags.

    95,000 people on the DPB. Working for Families. That is enough. In fact, that is too much.

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  39. Fletch (6,497 comments) says:

    Very good petition stated on the Whitehouse web site. (The public can start peitions there that the WH has to consider if they get over 100,000 petitioners – it used to be 25,000 but they raised it).

    The petition says –

    Eliminate armed guards for the President, Vice-President, and their families, and establish Gun Free Zones around them

    Gun Free Zones are supposed to protect our children, and some politicians wish to strip us of our right to keep and bear arms. Those same politicians and their families are currently under the protection of armed Secret Service agents. If Gun Free Zones are sufficient protection for our children, then Gun Free Zones should be good enough for politicians.

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/eliminate-armed-guards-president-vice-president-and-their-families-and-establish-gun-free-zones/6RDGkxLK

    The have over 30,000 signatures so far.

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  40. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    GERMANY BREAKS CLEAN-ENERGY TABOO IN ATTACK ON PRICE SURGE

    Date: 28/01/13 Bloomberg

    Germany, adding wind and solar parks to counter falling nuclear output, proposed shifting more of the cost of expansion to producers from consumers as the government seeks to stem a surge in electricity prices in an election year. Renewable-energy lobby says new policy would “punish” investors and throw project planning into doubt.

    The government may ask owners of existing renewable-power generators to take a one-time reduction in their so-called feed- in tariff of 1 percent to 1.5 percent, Environment Minister Peter Altmaier said today in Berlin. Subsidies to new projects may also be delayed to help curb costs, he said.

    Well duh! Anyone think a government can move costs away from consumers back to producers? Short of price setting, any reduction in beneficial tariffs would end up being funded by the consumers, in this instance the very same citizens who are being forced to fund a Green wet dream

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  41. Fletch (6,497 comments) says:

    And Mark Mattioli, the father of one of the children killed in the Sandy Hook shooting, has spoken before a gun violence task force, saying that new gun laws are not the answer. He talks about going to see an R-rated movie 25 years ago, and how now the stuff on TV (NCIS, SVU, Law and Order) is much worse than that now.

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  42. Scott Chris (6,177 comments) says:

    Eliminate armed guards for the President, Vice-President, and their families, and establish Gun Free Zones around them

    Silly.

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  43. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    kk

    “Renewable energy lobby saysnew policy would punish investors”

    They would say that. This is the crux of the problem with modern or crony capitalism. Investors used to take risks for reward (profit).
    Now “investors” insist taxpayers /consumers take all the risk,governmets give legislative approval to this and we all end up paying for it and in massive unsustainable debt.

    If it weren’t for government intereference there’d be no “green renewables”.

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  44. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Eight months before an idiot son of the Bush crime family “won” election for president…

    A year before Osama bin Laden became famous for 9-11…

    Mark Lombardi, who had just achieved a major breakthrough in his career as an artist, reportedly hanged himself in his Brooklyn studio.

    His art form?

    Drawing intricately detailed diagrams of the relationship between the Bush family and its allies, the Bin Laden family, and other global criminals.

    If there are people who commit political murders and then stage them to look like suicides – and there are – don’t you think that it’s quite a coincidence than Aaron Swartz – a very positive, resourceful, and intelligent young man who was co-owner of a major social media network – died the very same way?

    It’s all just a big coincidence.

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/assassination-studies-1/mark-lombardi.html

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  45. Weihana (4,607 comments) says:

    Fletch (3,820) Says:
    January 29th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    “we don’t need more gun laws… we need civility” (paraphrased)

    The United States needs a range of strategies. But I don’t think tackling Law and Order and NCIS is it. In my view America’s problems are primarily twofold: the sheer prevalence of guns and the unwillingness to properly implement laws already in place, and the war on drugs which makes guns an ideal and necessary tool of any drug dealer to settle disputes and protect their interests. Talk of a “return to civility”, while containing great sentiment, provide little in the way of constructive and practical means to address the problems of gun violence. It’s easy to talk of civility. Every rational person agrees civility is a good thing. But understanding the forces which promote incivility is somewhat harder.

    If you think media violence is to blame then surely it would be good to explain why violent crime has tended to decrease over the last 20 years when arguably there is more realistic and violent media than ever before.

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  46. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    kowtow, neither Oz or Canada and certainly not the USA use the Privy Council as their Supreme Court.

    And the USA is already a republican.

    So how is it anti-democratic to be republican or to end use of the Privy Council?

    Democratic is not synonomous with knuckle dragging kowtowing to imperial majesty by colonials.

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  47. Weihana (4,607 comments) says:

    dime (5,398) Says:
    January 29th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    kowtow – couldnt agree more!

    we have become such an arrogant little country. sitting here at the bottom of the world in a privileged position thinking we know best about everything.

    Given we generally rate at or about the top of many indices rating quality of life, economic freedom etc. I’d say we should have a lot to talk about. I suspect by “arrogant” you mean saying things you disagree with.

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  48. Weihana (4,607 comments) says:

    kowtow (3,608) Says:
    January 29th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    If it weren’t for government intereference there’d be no “green renewables”.

    http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/03/16/smaller-cheaper-faster-does-moores-law-apply-to-solar-cells/

    The evidence would appear to indicate otherwise. The cost per unit power from solar has been decreasing exponentially for 30 years (not including government subsidy) which would suggest that solar is on a trajectory to achieve parity with other more efficient sources of energy (coal etc.) in probably less than 10 years.

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  49. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    spc

    did you get to vote on ending our link wth the privy Council?
    It was a Klarkenfuher cabinet decision.

    The USA is a republic,modelled on the UK.So is it’s constitutional history and traditions. The popular media and populist historians like to emphasise the differnences between the US and UK ,but not the far more numerous similarities.

    Oz and Canada retain the Queen as HOS.

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  50. stigie (1,332 comments) says:

    Just read the Sunday Star Times about a woman called Penny Bright. Who the hell is this women and why has she not paid her rates and water for 5 years ? This is a fucking rort. What is the Auckland City Council doing about this, or are they protecting this bitch !!

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  51. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    Griff will be delighted…not! http: //www.foxnews.com/science/2013/01/28/un-climate-report-models-overestimated-global-warming/

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  52. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    Miss Dim is a well-known bludger of no standing in the community, who claims to be a defender of the poor while engaging in deception to avoiding paying rates.

    AKL City Council would do well pursuing payment by all available means.

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  53. PhilP (163 comments) says:

    “That’s Right” stigie

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  54. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Manolo, Now even the IPCC is against Griff. His own church has turned against him. I suspect he will form a break away sect, of true believers ;)

    A preliminary draft of a report by the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was leaked to the public this month, and climate skeptics say it contains fresh evidence of 20 years of overstated global warming.

    “Temperatures have not risen nearly as much as almost all of the climate models predicted,” Roy Spencer, a climatologist at the University of Alabama at Huntsville.

    “Their predictions have largely failed, four times in a row… what that means is that it’s time for them to re-evaluate,” Spencer said.

    The IPCC’s climate report draft also notes that “the model projections … do not fully account for natural variability.”

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  55. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    kowtow if replacing Crown rule with an elected President as head of government and ruling via a constitution with universal (non slave) male franchise was not change in the 18th C, what would be?

    Having continued parliamentary governance with the government appointed GG acting as full Crown (of the New Zealand peoples sovereignty) Governor within the constitutional inheritance we now have (in place of the foreign head of state) is a very minor change in comparison – it’s not betrayal of the white Anglo-Saxon group of nations and our Echelon 5 eyes membership.

    Why do people have to externalise their sovereignty as something issued by the Crown or by God (as in the USA where they claim their natural rights were given to them by God)? In the UK the people are still called subjects of the Crown. Is this supposed to enhance the authority of government? That is the sort of concept that may have been necessary before the franchise was truly universal – male and female, but is not so relevant now.

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  56. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    Fox
    News
    :lol:

    Take you worship of the united states of nut ville and fuck of and live in it
    We dont need a bunch of wingnut crony capitalist or their policy’s anywhere near this county.
    The USA is in decline because of the corruption in its political system and the all round stupidity of its people.
    Any country where a significant portion of its populous believes in the creation of the universe in six days 6000 years ago
    and that dinosaurs and men ran around together deserves to be mocked and shamed in this modern era

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  57. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    They do a pretty good job of that themselves Griff.

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ejcr9jgvon3mc06/Bible.jpg

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  58. Redbaiter (9,657 comments) says:

    “The USA is in decline”

    Wow, that explains all those people leaving Florida on rubber tube rafts on their way to Cuba.

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  59. thedavincimode (6,877 comments) says:

    ‘baitey

    Have you taken your meds today? Do you realise the implications of your response? That’s the first ten years of your grand master plan right down the drain. Or has the US staged an overnight recovery that we haven’t heard about yet?

    Very funny, but you need to at least think a little bit, if you can, before that left click.

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  60. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    Recovery
    :lol:
    Is that when their next budget balances in 2035
    Give the rich a tax cut now and it will balance…. tui

    Still I could go watch fox titties bum and ditto heads
    To keep up with the views of wingnuttery
    would be almost as fun as reading the yank lovers posts on here

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  61. Azeraph (608 comments) says:

    RRM (6,206) Says:
    January 29th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    The States were spot lighted for a sneak virus that had a two phase roll in damaging or neutralizing the Iran enriching facility i think?

    It was about 2-3 years ago but it got found by the security software company, a german company that had the contract. I think it had a first roll of if detected would draw back trackers off to a different system and it’s second roll was to turn off one small valve that would set in motion some serious damage. I could be wrong, i’ll have to backtrack through some vids.

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  62. Weihana (4,607 comments) says:

    Griff,

    A prediction that has been made time and again. Since 1947 the US has averaged 3.25% annual growth. Q3 2012 saw 3.10% growth. The US has sustained positive growth for the last few years. I see no evidence of this decline. Despite various recessions and the great depression the US has sustained long term exponential growth in productivity. Talk of decline is nothing more than ideological rhetoric IMHO, whether it’s based on right wing fear of blacky mc blackenstein or left wing antipathy towards the United States in general.

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  63. Azeraph (608 comments) says:

    Griff (4,114) Says:
    January 29th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    Have you got any archeological links that explains what that species was that those foot prints belonged to? They are real prints of whatever they are, you can’t hoax the video feed, it was before the digital camera that kodak developed and destroyed itself over by not following ups it’s own invention.

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  64. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    Not forecasting a balanced budget for the next twenty years and borrowing like hell to pay for unsustainable spending is going to have an impact in the future. . Unless they manage to return to living within their means they must decline in overall living standards sooner or later.
    I watch the indexes and it would not surprise me if the present budget problems begin to effect their standing of living in the short -2 year term.

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  65. chiz (1,164 comments) says:

    Azeraph – you’re thinking of the Stuxnet worm.

    And there are no footprints of humans or hominins or hominids with dinosaurs. That’s just a creationist myth.

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  66. cha (4,084 comments) says:

    The NRA has published a list of it’s opponents.

    http://www.conservativedailynews.com/2013/01/nra-publishes-list-of-gun-control-advocates/

    AARP
    AFL-CIO
    Ambulatory Pediatric Association
    American Academy of Pediatrics
    American Civil Liberties Union
    American Academy of Ambulatory Care Nursing
    American Medical Women`s Association
    American Medical Student Association
    American Medical Association
    American Association for the Surgery of Trauma
    American Trauma Society
    American Federation of Teachers
    American Association of School Administrators
    American Alliance for Rights and Responsibilities
    American Medical Association
    American Bar Association
    American Counseling Association
    American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry
    American Academy of Pediatrics
    American Association for World Health
    American Ethical Union
    American Nurses Association
    American Association of Neurological Surgeons
    American Association of Family and Consumer Sciences
    American Firearms Association
    American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
    American Jewish Committee
    American Trauma Society
    American Psychological Association
    American Jewish Congress
    American Public Health Association
    Americans for Democratic Action
    Anti-Defamation League
    Black Mental Health Alliance
    B`nai B`rith
    Central Conference of American Rabbis
    Children`s Defense Fund
    Church of the Brethren
    Coalition for Peace Action
    Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
    College Democrats of America
    Committee for the Study of Handgun Misuse & World Peace
    Common Cause
    Congress of National Black Churches, Inc.
    Congress of Neurological Surgeons
    Consumer Federation of America
    Council of the Great City Schools
    Council of Chief State School Officers
    Dehere Foundation
    Disarm Educational Fund
    Environmental Action Foundation
    Episcopal Church-Washington Office
    Florence and John Shumann Foundation
    Friends Committee on National Legislation
    General Federation of Women`s Clubs
    George Gund Fun
    Gray Panthers
    H.M. Strong Foundation
    Hadassah
    Harris Foundation
    Hechinger Foundation
    Interfaith Neighbors
    Int`l Ladies` Garment Workers` Union
    Int`l Association of Educators for World Peace
    Jewish Labor Committee
    Joyce Foundation
    Lauder Foundation
    Lawrence Foundation
    League of Women Voters of the United States*
    Lutheran Office for Governmental Affairs, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
    Manhattan Project II
    Mennonite Central Committee-Washington Office
    National Safe Kids Campaign
    National Association of Police Organizations
    National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
    National Black Nurses` Association
    National Association of Chain Drug Stores
    National Network for Youth
    National Assembly of National Voluntary Health & Social Welfare Organizations
    National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
    National Association of School Psychologists
    National Association of Counties*
    National Association of Pediatric Nurse Associates & Practitioners
    National Association of School Safety and Law Enforcement Officers
    National Education Association
    National Association of Elementary School Principals*
    National Association of Public Hospitals
    National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
    National Association of Secondary School Principals
    National Association of Social Workers
    National Association of Children`s Hospitals and Related Institutions
    National Association of School Psychologists
    National Council of La Raza
    National Center to Rehabilitate Violent Youth
    National Commission for Economic Conversion & Disarmament
    National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA
    National Council of Negro Women
    National Association of Community Health Centers
    National People`s Action
    National Education Association*
    National League of Cities
    National Council on Family Relations
    National Council of Jewish Women
    National Organization for Women
    National Political Congress of Black Women
    National Parks and Conservation Association
    National Peace Foundation
    National Urban League, Inc.
    National Parent, Teachers Association*
    National Urban Coalition
    National SAFE KIDS Campaign
    National Organization on Disability
    National Spinal Cord Injury Association
    NETWORK: A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby
    Ortenberg Foundation
    Peace Action
    People for the American Way
    Physicians for Social Responsibility
    Police Foundation
    Project on Demilitarization and Democracy
    Public Citizen
    SaferWorld
    Society of Critical Care Medicine
    Southern Christian Leadership Conference
    The Council of the Great City Schools
    The Synergetic Society
    20/20 Vision
    U.S. Catholic Conference, Dept. of Social Development
    Union of American Hebrew Congregations
    Unitarian Universalist Association
    United States Catholic Conference
    United Methodist Church, General Board & Church Society
    United Church of Christ, Office for Church in Society*
    United States Conference of Mayors
    War and Peace Foundation
    Women Strike for Peace
    Women`s National Democratic Club
    Women`s Action for New Directions (WAND)
    Women`s Int`l League for Peace and Freedom
    World Spiritual Assembly, Inc.
    YWCA of the U.S.A.

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  67. graham (2,346 comments) says:

    Griff at 6:14 pm:

    We dont need a bunch of wingnut crony capitalist or their policy’s anywhere near this county.
    The USA is in decline because of the corruption in its political system and the all round stupidity of its people.
    Any country where a significant portion of its populous believes in the creation of the universe in six days 6000 years ago
    and that dinosaurs and men ran around together deserves to be mocked and shamed in this modern era

    You’re entitled to your beliefs, of course.

    Me, I believe anyone who is too stupid to spell deserves to be mocked and shamed in this modern era.

    The words you’re looking for are “don’t” (with an apostrophe), “policies” and “populace”.

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  68. Weihana (4,607 comments) says:

    Griff,

    Except that if the past is anything to go by the great depression and the second world war had little impact on the country’s long term trajectory of economic growth. I find it difficult to believe that the recent recession (which has ended) and the current fiscal problems are going to greatly impact the long term future of the united states whether or not temporary hits are taken to people’s standard of living through benefit cuts or whether modest tax increases are implemented.

    Moreover people’s standard of living is greatly influenced by technological progress, and the cost of technology is coming down whilst improving in it’s applications. The “can’t live withouts” of the 2030s likely haven’t been invented yet.

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  69. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    It has now been conclusively and scientifically demonstrated that the supposed man tracks are not those of humans. Both sets of tracks are highly weathered, so it’s impossible to draw too many precise conclusions. The “man” tracks appear to be not human in origin but seem to have a few different features collaborating to form the illusion of human tracks, including excessive weathering of the details and some carved features that may have been doctored at a later date. There are numerous other tracks attributed to humans, but none stand up to any scientific scrutiny. The Burdick Print seems to show a well defined human foot preserved in stone, but given the 15 inch length and the hilariously over defined toes (for something that would have been imprinted in soft mud) only an idiot would suggest they were anything but a forgery. Nevertherless, close scrutiny has been done and confirmed most tracks like these are forged carvings being passed off as genuine fossilised human footprints. The State Park Ledge tracks, small indentations found in a rock formation in Dinosaur Valley, Somervell County, Texas, have been jumped on by track enthusiasts but are just later erosion features with only a superficial resemblance to anything actually man-made.

    Only the most die hard creationists still use this as evidence for a young earth any more. Answers in Genesis includes the Paluxy tracks among those “Arguments that should be avoided” as even they can recognise blatant cases where further research is still needed, new research has invalided aspects of it, or biblical implications may discount it.

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  70. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    Thirteen Reasons to live in Auckland ….

    1. Satan worshipping residents of Auckland are spared
    unnecessary anguish and discomfort when they die because the
    transition to hell is hardly noticeable.
    2. Auckland has fewer syllables than Wellington so that
    Aucklanders can spell it.
    3. People who can’t get in to Wellington have to have somewhere
    to live.
    4. Economies of scale dictate that it is economically optimal
    for all pretentious posers with annoying inflections and stupid
    haircuts to be in the same place.
    5. Auckland has such a wide variety of social, economic and
    cultural groupings that you can fit in no matter what kind of dork
    you are.
    6. Aucklanders do lots of quaint self affirming things like
    calling their league team the “Warriors” and giving their otherwise
    staid lives a hint of danger by referring to Mt Eden, Mt
    Wellington, and Rangitoto as “volcanoes” even though they have been extinct for 3 million years.
    7. Auckland’s town planners thoughtfully laid out Auckland over
    a large area so that when you are in Auckland the statistical
    chances of running into an Aucklander are as low as possible.
    8. The Auckland Rugby Union names it Super 12 team after a
    colour just in case they had any deaf supporters.
    9. Auckland is the nation’s Prozac. People who don’t live in
    Auckland use that fact to ward off depression.
    10. Auckland is vital to New Zealand’s defence against alien
    invasion. Invading space monsters will go straight to our largest
    urban centre thinking it is actually important in some way. While
    the aliens waste their time assaulting our decoy the rest of us
    will have time to organise a counter strike. This aspect of
    Auckland has taken on added significance since the discovery of
    life on Mars.
    11. People from Kaitaia need somewhere to go for petrol on their
    way to Wellington.
    12. Aucklanders have recovered from their feelings of phallic
    inadequacy by erecting a 40 storey pole with a knob on top in the
    middle of the city.
    13. Auckland fulfils an important role in Maori mythology.
    Maori legend has it that the North Island is the fish of Maui.
    Wellington is the head and mouth of Maui’s fish, New Plymouth and Gisborne are its fins and Auckland is its arsehole.

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  71. Azeraph (608 comments) says:

    Griff (4,117) Says:
    January 29th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    Thanks, I have never bothered to follow that one up though a friend did say they were vandalized.

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  72. Azeraph (608 comments) says:

    chiz (914) Says:
    January 29th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Yeah that’s the one, Stuxnet virus and as usual my memory is crap but the vid of the presenter that used it for a presentation to a conference has been taken down, He named the States as the most probable sender. Typical.

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  73. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    I do not believe that the usa has the political structure or will to stop the present overspending.
    The Republicans have maneuvered into a corner where they could not implement the tax increases needed to return to a reasonable state of balance. this hamstrings the president as well The only glowing light for them is if they finally manage to extract from the middle east. If they have found as much economic hydro carbons as claimed they will no longer need to spend billions on wars and politics over oil

    I do not think that the huge changes in manufacturing and technology that gave the USA such a boost during the war and soon after will be repeated in the future with as yet unknown technology’s Or that if such progress is made it will be centered in the usa
    I also believe that over the next two decades continental climates will have adverse effects on their economy’s due to a ever increasing cost of extreme weather. This will not effect the whole usa but will strain the more agrarian areas leading to rising unemployment and decreased income for such regions.

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  74. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    nasska 8:00pm. Wellington is windy because Auckland sucks so much :)

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  75. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    krazykiwi

    As a Wairarapa resident I can safely say that they both suck & blow in equal proportions. :)

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  76. Weihana (4,607 comments) says:

    I do not think that the huge changes in manufacturing and technology that gave the USA such a boost during the war and soon after will be repeated in the future with as yet unknown technology

    And yet the device I am using now was unknown technology ten years ago. Google was unknown 15 years ago. YouTube was unknown 8 years ago. Information technology has shown remarkable consistency. Advancement has been relatively smooth and predictable. Other technologies are also starting to show the same exponential increases whether it’s the cost per dollar of solar power or the cost of DNA sequencing. Moreover the computing power in your phone will continue to occupy an increasingly smaller space opening up new applications that seem impractical now. Technology is increasing at such a rate that advancements ten years in the future seem far fetched and then when they happen it’s seen as inevitable.

    As for the USA being the center they are certainly not the only advanced nation on Earth but they still have many of the leading universities and they are a world leader in technology. All this despite a shocking number of people who believe in Creationism. :)

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  77. Fletch (6,497 comments) says:

    Written by an Austrian in 2009 who witnessed the Nazi horror –

    The Final Steps – Gun Laws:

    Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long after-wards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.

    No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.

    Totalitarianism didn’t come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria . Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/nazi-eyewitness-warns-the-final-step-of-nazi-control-gun-laws/

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  78. Steve (North Shore) (4,592 comments) says:

    nasska,
    you made a few mistakes about Auckland, but I like your synopsis, typical of those south of the bombays. Some of us are immigrants, I come from the mighty Waikato

    Now go and stand in the corner and think about what you have done.
    Full report is required at 8pm tomorrow.

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  79. Johnboy (17,018 comments) says:

    Oh my goodness gracious me.

    We are hoping all of you fellows from South Bombay keep on heading north to Jafastan Steve (North Shore) Sahib!! :)

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  80. Azeraph (608 comments) says:

    Fletch (3,822) Says:
    January 29th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    So, What makes us different?

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  81. cha (4,084 comments) says:

    Rather than parrot the stupidest man on the internet Fletch you could look at the research into the bogus claims that you insist on repeating.

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  82. Fletch (6,497 comments) says:

    cha, the actual story has nothing to do with any “dumb” man. It is direct testimony from Kitty Werthmann who was there.
    Get it?

    Original source –

    http://www.examiner.com/article/america-truly-is-the-greatest-country-the-world-don-t-let-freedom-slip-away

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  83. cha (4,084 comments) says:

    Or Fletch you could check out what the gun nuts at the Second Amendment Foundation have to say.

    While it is impossible to prove that these are phony quotes, no historian has been able to verify the original citation required for authenticity. It is better to be safe than sorry. One anti-gun judge discredited a letter writer by pointing out the fake quote used in that letter to the editor. The judge writes, "(An oft-cited Hitler "quote" about gun registration has been proved to be a hoax, though that has not stopped many from repeating it.) CLICK HERE to view the entire Judge’s column, complete with many inaccuracies of his own.

    http://saf.org/pub/rkba/general/BogusAntiGunQuotes.htm

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  84. Azeraph (608 comments) says:

    Weihana (2,785) Says:
    January 29th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    Multinationals, They ran away,made crap loads of profits and are holding those profits in US acc’s, now they are waiting to rush back in. The market has skyrocketed and a lot of Americans are afraid. If the planet says enough then the US dollar goes belly up as all that cash held in US dollars gets dumped. Already China is trading without the dollar with some countries.

    As one nutcase for Global agency mediation and consultation says “The states will be the main player for maybe 10 to 15 years then it will take it’s place amongst the others” He says global power has now shifted to the pacific rim. here’s the link, tell why I think he’s a good salesman.

    His talk helped me understand why i thought the old Euro Empires of the 19th and the early 20th and this early 21st century felt similar but i could be patterning where there is no dots.

    http://www.ted.com/talks/paddy_ashdown_the_global_power_shift.html

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  85. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    krazykiwi
    IF You or any other of the nutters can point to a post where I supported carbon trading, carbon limiting measures, or any other Present form of carbon control could you please point it out. From my drug soaked memory all I can think of is building hydro dams and easing the RMA to enable micro generating schemes to be developed cheaply. I have used renewable energy however it was side effect of choosing to live on my yacht rather than a mad green brain fart.

    All you are doing by attempting to label me green is showing off your inability to examine the reality around you. Your views of reality are blinded by your ideological positions. Just because science and the modern world bewilders some nutters on the right does not mean that all people with a ability to examine reality are of the left wing or socialist.

    We have a problem with the future climate. No amount of reading blog sites paid for by the oil industry or blatantly biased and untruthful newspaper story’s will change the facts.

    How many times have you people brought up the same refuted rubbish or quoted pseudo science that contradicts the last story I have lost count of.

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  86. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    Most of them will vote for him, won’t they?
    http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/Politics/obama-immigration-reform-plan-direct-path-citizenship-senate/story?id=18343584

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  87. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Testing, testing, space station to planet earth

    Do we have a problem?

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  88. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Yep, still have a problem!

    Sorry about that folks,

    Please carry on.

    Nosiness is a real bad trait to have! I’ll get therapy.

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