General Debate 30 January 2013

January 30th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Sofia (857 comments) says:

    Good Moaning Kiwibloggers

    Have you seen this?
    ________________________

    Rich Prick Doesn’t Want To Pay Rates
    Penny Bright has shown her true colours of the ultimate hypocrite.

    … Penny Bright, a serially unsuccessful candidate in mayoral elections, stopped paying her rates in 2008 to protest a lack of council transparency. She said she would pay only when the council revealed details of the contracts it was awarding to private businesses as Aucklanders had a right to know where their money was being spent.

    Recalling the reason for her rates protest, Bright said: “I wasn’t going to pay my rates as long as they weren’t going to tell me where my money was going.”

    How about the taxpayer get a list of everyone receiving the dole? Or the ratepayers receive a list of everyone in a council house and how long they have lived at the address?
    – Cactus Kate
    http://asianinvasion2006.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/rich-prick-doesnt-want-to-pay-rates.html
    ________________________

    Which suggests –
    1] Auckland City Council is so fucking dumb it is scared any action against Bright will be interpreted as harassment of a “freedom fighter” hahahahahaha haha ha
    2] Everyone else, especially those so much worse off than Bright apparently is, should not pay their rates – YOU CAN GET AWAT WITH IT FOR YEARS
    3] Bright has no credibility in commenting on what Auckland City Council does – she doesn’t pay her rates, so their business is none of her business

    Do have a really nice day :-)

    Watchdog No Longer Judicially Recognised [because she is acting illegally and is a thief]

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  2. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    Very disappointing to see John Key ‘leading’ the way into a parliamentary shitfight this year. It’s time Key and many other MPs grew up and gave parliament the gravitas it deserves.

    Key seems to not only accept acrimonious as ok, he’s stoking it. That’s a very bad look for Prime Minister.

    Prime Minister or Parliament’s prime munter?

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  3. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    Here is a Model Prime Minister’s Statement speech, otherwise ignored.

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  4. wreck1080 (3,917 comments) says:

    “Andrew Loader, 49, has been suspended for two months pending a disciplinary hearing, the Teachers Council said yesterday.”

    They suppressed the name of the school, but a simple google search finds him. The only way to protect the school would be to suppress his name. Even then, it will be posted somewhere.

    Point being, the laws around suppression are stupid in the internet age.

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  5. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Big pay rises forecast for skilled workers

    Salaries are likely to jump by up to $20,000 a year in sectors where there is high demand for certain skills, statistics show.
    :::
    [But First Union general secretary Robert Reid] said salary jumps of $20,000 pointed to the growing inequality between highly skilled workers and workers who desperately needed more money.

    Perhaps Reid could drop the envy, and encourage those who need more money to seek more skills, take career risks, be prepared to relocate, work harder etc.

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  6. Morgy (172 comments) says:

    @Pete George, I think the opposite here. It is time National harden the F**K up and make sure they are vocal about the idiocy of what Labour and Greens stand for. It is a joke so lets treat them like the punch line. National clearly have a plan and he reiterated that in his speech but if the MSM is not going to take the fools on the left to task (such as ripping Shearer apart for the KiwiBuild policy) then it is EVERYONE on the right of that’s obligation to put a light on it.

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  7. Longknives (4,746 comments) says:

    Is it me or does it seem a lot of schoolteachers are fiddling with the kids these days?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8238937/Pay-to-watch-sex-teacher-stood-down

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  8. gravedodger (1,566 comments) says:

    @Morgy, + 1 na make that many.

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  9. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    I think the opposite here. It is time National harden the F**K up and make sure they are vocal about the idiocy of what Labour and Greens stand for.

    And I disagree with this – if Key and National want their criticisms to be taken seriously then they need to act as if they are serious, not as if they are goons.

    And they are suckers if they let themselves be drawn into the Labour-Green plan to antagonise and disrupt their governance.

    Yes, it looks like National have started the year with a plan, and its a disgraceful way to abuse their position as supposed leaders of the country. It reflects very poorly on Government.

    Decent leaders would act with dignity and respect for the institution they are a part of – and lead by example, not get led into shitty squabbling.

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  10. Nookin (3,343 comments) says:

    Pete

    For coming up 5 years the opposition ranks have launched repeated personal attacks on Key. It’s time he came out swinging and tells it how it is. If that stirs a few feathers, then tough.

    Shearer promised no “gotcha” politics and immediately forgot he said it. He has been all gotcha politics ever since.

    Their housing policy was dishonest from day one. If Key gets up in Parliament and points that out then long may it continue.

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  11. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Longknives – I suspect it’s just the media rotation policy. Priests were in the sights for a while, now it’s school teachers, and soon we’ll be back to youth leaders and social workers. Building a news category help sell advertising, and once it’s stale it’s time to move on.

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  12. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    Nookin:

    Their housing policy was dishonest from day one. If Key gets up in Parliament and points that out then long may it continue.

    Fair enough to point it out – but the manner in which he pointed it out has detracted from the message. The headlines where all about the stoushing and nothing about the housing. Key has been dragged down to a duckpond level. A win for Labour.

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  13. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    PG. I agree with Morgy.
    Labour and the Greens spout so much drivel that is never pushed back by the media its just incredible. Nats and Key especially need to get on the front foot more and show this bullshit up for what it is and get it into the publics brains that there are no credible opposition parties.

    and Key has a great chance to hammer Shearer because very few will vote for Labour with a weak leader.

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  14. Manolo (13,774 comments) says:

    Griff’s hero speaks: http://freebeacon.com/gore-defends-current-sale-to-oil-backed-al-jazeera/

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  15. wreck1080 (3,917 comments) says:

    @krazykiwi — this is very true.

    Rail crossing deaths were in vogue a couple of years ago.

    Recently farmers and 4wd bikes have been quite popular to report.

    All these things have always been going on, but, the media are like a pack (or herd?) of lemmings.

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  16. MT_Tinman (3,186 comments) says:

    The vote thingy doesn’t want to work. (Edit: It did after I posted)

    Morgy, Nookin I agree completely.

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  17. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    Shearer promised no “gotcha” politics and immediately forgot he said it. He has been all gotcha politics ever since.

    I agree, I’ve pointed that out a number of times. Every time he appears in media he discredits himself. There are ways that National can nudge that along, but I think yesterday was the wrong time and place, and Key was the wrong person to be doing it.

    The Prime Minister’s Speech should be prime ministerly, setting the tone for how he wants his year to be.

    I’ll be very disappointed if that’s Key’s tone for the year. Very unbecoming for a person in his position. Poor parliamentary behaviour is probably one of the biggest factors in turning people off politics and for people despising Government.

    I want Key to lead the country, and set the country an example of decent behaviour. If he continues as he started yesterday he might win some petty battles but the war will be that much harder to survive.

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  18. Longknives (4,746 comments) says:

    Newsflash! Girls ‘slutting it up’ in fancy dress for Sevens-

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8238465/Easy-on-the-big-bad-wolf-whistles-boys

    I’m still trying to ascertain the reason for this ‘article’….but I enjoyed it nonetheless

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  19. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Dime isn’t a big fan of the way MP’s act in parliament. I guess its unavoidable when half the house is pure trash.

    However, in some instances im ok with piss taking. That includes yesterday.

    Why give the ridiculous “policies” put forward by labour and the greens any respect? they should be openly mocked by everyone.

    im sure its frustrating for you though PG, sitting at home, nude, covered in peanut butter, waiting for Dunne to have his turn. but thats more an issue for you to deal with than anyone else :)

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  20. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    PG, sitting at home, nude, covered in peanut butter, waiting for Dunne to have his turn

    Screw you dime, that mental image will have me shuddering and cringing for the rest of the day.

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  21. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    dime – from what I hear there are a lot of people outside the political bubble who, peanut butter or not (I prefer crunchy), are very frustrated with the childish antics of the most visible members of parliament – because of course media report the worst of it.

    And I know (from direct contact) there are quite a few members of parliament who are pissed off with far too much mudslinging and crapfighting in parliament too.

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  22. Scott Chris (6,139 comments) says:

    Key seems to not only accept acrimonious as ok, he’s stoking it. That’s a very bad look for Prime Minister.

    Pete, I agree with you. Key is an intelligent man so it always disappoints me when he adopts his petulant, mocking tone in the house. I think it is important for a leader not to stoop to the level of the rabble.

    I’d advise him to remain aloof and dispassionate. Cut out the glib retorts.

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  23. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    PG – I agree. Gives me the shits.

    BUT as i said, sometimes the other parties deserve zero respect. when they get that silly and tell that many lies over and over they need to be mocked.

    take your average moron voter. they hear JK speaking about it as though its a credible policy and that helps give it legs. IMHO

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  24. wiseowl (895 comments) says:

    @dime.9.43
    Guess marmite is out of the question at the moment.

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  25. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Sudanese president Al Bashir is wanted by the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity and genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan.

    So it should come as no surprise that Sudan was yesterday elected vice chair of the UN body which oversee human rights, alongside Pakistan and Albania

    The UN is a filthy den of dictators, despots and world government fanatics. No sensible country should remain aligned to this organisation.

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  26. gravedodger (1,566 comments) says:

    Re Mr Key playing Mr Nice Guy, worked out for Wallace “Bill” Rowling eh

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  27. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    Why is the Herald front page given to the opinion of a former NIWA Head Scientist who, we would be led to believe, falsified New Zealand’s warming statistics to the World pro global warming scientists publications.

    His false data was naturally accepted as fact, as it suited them.

    I assume he is still living in California and still suing NIWA for something.

    HERALD GET REAL – stop making, once again, an arse of yourself.

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  28. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Paulus, I think it’s great to have Salinger’s prediction front and centre like that. It will highlight how crap climate scientists are at predicting anything.

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  29. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    RN – One of the amusing ‘tells’ from the warmist fraternity is when we hear of their ‘concern at the lack of warming’.

    A charitable interpretation could be that they’re concerned that their models have proven wrong, but the more likely reason is that they fear the cessation of their fat research grants.

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  30. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    krazykiwi, we are seeing the dying days of AGW theory. We can expect to see its adherents become increasingly shrill, but public opinion is changing, and with it, government support. Goverments only supported AGW as a vote buying measure anyway, as they wanted to be seen as “caring for the environment”. Once there are not votes in it, they will (and have) change their tune.

    When the money starts drying up, we will see the vested interests changing their tune and following the money. I predict the “scientific consensus” will change in line with funding cuts from government. I predict the AGW promoters will construct another crisis in order to keep their money and appear relevant.

    The interesting discussion (to come) is around how this all became so big and out of control.

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  31. robert a (2 comments) says:

    Affordable Housing needs to be looked at in terms of Second hand housing as well as newly built. I believe we really need to tighten up our laws on overseas foreign investors who dont pay one bit of tax in NZ. Snapping up our redidential housing stock. What is really worrying is we have no stats on what they have already purchased. There are Bus loads of off shore investors being taken round popular suburbs in Auckland who then purchase property and finance it from off shore. I am a National supporter and being from the Industry I am dismayed with what is happening. If National think this going to go away they have rocks in their heads, none of us can go to Japan and buy a house if we dont live there or arent a resident Many other countries in the world are the same. This article in the Herald on the Weekend shows people are waking up to what is going on, and it will become an election issue, and needs to be!

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/resi

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  32. Fletch (6,389 comments) says:

    Pro-abortion group releases weird/creepy video with racist/sexist overtones to ‘celebrate’ 40 years of abortion.

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  33. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    How is it racist?

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  34. kowtow (8,475 comments) says:

    longknives

    Teachers , sex and kids.

    Is it me or does it only seem to get particularly highlighted (for the media,commentariat,blubbery bloggers etc) when Catholics are involved?

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  35. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    Toby Manhire at The Listener has analysed John Key’s Prime Minister’s Statement from yesterday in parliament and finds that he criticised the opposition more than he promoted his own party and programme 85-57

    He mentioned Labour-Greens four times as much as National.

    Two Davids (Shearer+Cunliffe) were mentioned more than the economy.

    See: In numbers: John Key’s opening parliamentary salvo http://www.listener.co.nz/current-affairs/politics/in-numbers-john-keys-opening-parliamentary-salvo/

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  36. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Dime isn’t a big fan of the way MP’s act in parliament. I guess its unavoidable when half the house is pure trash.

    Problem dime is identifying which half because no party is devoid of their share.

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    Scott Chris (4,752) Says:
    January 30th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Key seems to not only accept acrimonious as ok, he’s stoking it. That’s a very bad look for Prime Minister.

    Pete, I agree with you. Key is an intelligent man so it always disappoints me when he adopts his petulant, mocking tone in the house. I think it is important for a leader not to stoop to the level of the rabble.

    I’d advise him to remain aloof and dispassionate. Cut out the glib retorts.
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    Actually it would be great if he got on with doing something constructive instead of trying to lower himself to the level of certain comedians of notoriety.

    It was suppossedly a speach about what the Govt. were to do this year. Instead it contained nothing of substance and suggests that the Nats. are going to continue sleep walking to the bankruptcy court.
    Que. Lots of howls of faux protest from Nat followers. Yep we can see ya.

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  37. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    Praise and promotion of our proposals to deal with legal highs in an article in New Statesman by Kasia Malinowska-Sempruch (the director of Open Society Foundations Global Drug Policy Program).

    New Zealand, legal highs and sensible supply-side policies

    The UK government could learn a lot from New Zealand about how to sensibly control the proliferating supply of so-called “legal highs”, according to the All-Party Parliamentary Group for Drug Policy Reform.

    While governments in Europe and the United States frantically ban substances to keep up with new synthetic drugs, lawmakers in New Zealand are using reason and a sensible legislative process to “to protect vulnerable consumers, particularly young people.”

    Yet far from being another ham-fisted crackdown on drugs, the New Zealand proposal represents the first steps to a regulated market, which would require any new substances to go through a lengthy testing process before they could be approved for legal sale.

    Potential manufacturers of new psychoactive substances will have to submit to roughly $180,000 NZD (£95,000 GBP) in application fees plus an additional NZ$1m to NZ$2m (around £526,000 to £1.05m) in costs to test each product they want to sell.

    And there are strict penalties for attempts to bypass the law, which could go into effect later this year, including up to eight years in prison.

    This is a monumental development for a number of reasons.

    .

    The New Zealand policy aims to halt the legislative incentive to develop more new drugs.

    “A useful feature of New Zealand’s planned policy is to assess both the harms arising from a particular substance and the harms arising from controlling it.”

    Might we the UK also be better served by begin regulatory processes to understand the drugs that people are taking and developing policies that address their relative risks?

    That is precisely what New Zealand has started doing. It’s worth a closer look.

    .

    http://www.newstatesman.com/lifestyle/2013/01/new-zealand-legal-highs-and-sensible-supply-side-policies

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  38. Scott Chris (6,139 comments) says:

    Praise and promotion of our proposals to deal with legal highs in an article in New Statesman by Kasia Malinowska-Sempruch (the director of Open Society Foundations Global Drug Policy Program).

    So has Dunne proved that alcohol is a safe substance to consume yet?

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  39. Fletch (6,389 comments) says:

    Fur Seal vs ‘Maori octopus’ off the coast of Australia –

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270015/Amazing-moment-fur-seal-comes-head-tentacle-Maori-octopus-dinner.html

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  40. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    That Anton’s a dagg isn’t he?.

    “It’s not a living document. It’s dead, dead, dead,” he said.

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  41. david (2,557 comments) says:

    Rebranding watch

    Cop a look at Jacinda Ardern’s new image. Does anyone really think the glasses will make her look credible?
    (noticed at question time in Parliament today)

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  42. Scott Chris (6,139 comments) says:

    “It’s not a living document. It’s dead, dead, dead,” he said.

    Ah, I always wondered what the difference between a Liberal and a Conservative judge was. I guess the Liberal judge accepts that culture evolves, along with the interpretation and application of law. The Conservative judge doesn’t.

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  43. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    this episode, Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert discuss the American legal system that authorizes plunder, a moral code that glorifies it and a financial system that profits from it. In the second half of the show, Max Keiser talks to Professor Steven A. Ramirez, a former Enforcement Attorney at the US Securities and Exchange Commission, about the broken social contract, when that contract got broken and how to mend it.

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  44. Longknives (4,746 comments) says:

    The guy wears one of his old Adidas All Black shirts to Court (clearly trying to bedazzle the judge with his ‘superstar’ status)
    Christ how tragic- Though anyone want to bet against him walking away Scot-Free??

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8241562/Ex-AB-Keith-Robinsons-sentencing-delayed

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  45. James Stephenson (2,180 comments) says:

    I guess the Liberal judge accepts that culture evolves, along with the interpretation and application of law.

    No, I think the Liberal (US terminology) judge believes that it’s their role to use the law to determine the direction and ensure the speed of that evolution.

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  46. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    “The claim includes allegations that the Minister has breached David’s rights to natural justice, breached his rights under the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990, acted in bad faith, abused her power, and acted in a biased, unreasonable and predetermined manner,” Mr Karam said.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8242038/Bain-seeks-judicial-review

    It would appear that Nostalgia-NZ has been advising Karam…

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  47. Fletch (6,389 comments) says:

    That was quick…

    Someone’s already done a parody of the video I posted above –

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  48. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Now, if Scalia could rule on Te Tiriti… oh wait.

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  49. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    It might be worth relaxing as much as possible and taking a few quiet breaths before reading this.

    Straight men more stressed, depressed than gay men, study says

    A Canadian study on anxiety and sexual orientation suggests that heterosexual men suffer more depression and higher levels of stress than gay and bisexual men.

    Authors said they were not surprised to find that homosexuals who had disclosed their sexual orientation to friends and family showed fewer signs of depression than those who had yet to come out. However, they said they did not anticipate that the overall systemic stress, or allostatic load, measured in straight men would exceed all groups.

    “Interestingly and contrary to our hypothesis, gay and bisexual men had significantly lower depressive symptoms and allostatic load levels than heterosexual men,” wrote lead author Robert-Paul Juster, a neuroscientist at McGill University.

    Heterosexual men registered a third higher on an index of allostatic load compared with gay and bisexual men.

    I wonder if the stress gap would increase if marriage equality became law.

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  50. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Gillard calls election for September 24th

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  51. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Do not tell Gareth Morgan but an American study says …

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21236690

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  52. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Pete George, I wonder if heterosexual men and lesbians have the same level of stress … and if so what the problem might be …

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  53. Griff (7,715 comments) says:

    :lol:
    I guess its time to mount a fund to put both alcohol and pot by possums test then Pete
    They will not be able to ban pot unless they make alcohol a class A drug

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  54. Griff (7,715 comments) says:

    On Jan. 1, after years of preparation and legal battles, California launched a carbon cap-and-trade system, establishing a declining limit on the state’s greenhouse-gas emissions. That means that the most populous state in the U.S. and the ninth biggest economy in the world has legally committed itself to reducing its carbon emissions to 1990 levels by 2020.

    Read more: http://science.time.com/2013/01/29/obama-talks-climate-change-california-is-acting-on-it/#ixzz2JRAKxTYC

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  55. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    On the drug supply side policy – it was always a smarter option to identify the safest party pill on the market and require quality control of its production to ensure it was safe as could be. This was always better for their health than driving them to binge drinking or cannabis while young, or worse whatever was offered by gangs – P etc.

    The harmful effects of E use were lower than for binge drinking and other alternatives.

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  56. Fletch (6,389 comments) says:

    To see the effects of Communism up close, one only need look at North Korea vs South Korea.
    Things have gotten so bad in North Korea, that people there are resorting to cannibalism.

    In North Korea, while Kim Jong Un is spending a fortune on two rocket launches in recent months and taken food away from the farming provinces of North and South Hwanghae to feed the people in the capital of Pyongyang, reports claim starving villagers in the provinces have resorted to cannibalism.

    After the food was confiscated for residents of the capital, a drought followed, killing as many as 10,000 people in those provinces.

    One man was executed when it was discovered he had killed his two children and eaten them. Another man reportedly dug up his grandchild’s body and ate it. A third boiled his own child to be eaten.

    Last year, according to the South Korean state-run Korean Institute for National Unification, one North Korean man was executed when he attempted selling the remains of a colleague as mutton. There were two other reports of cannibalism.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2269094/North-Korean-parents-eat-children-driven-mad-hunger-famine-hit-pariah-state.html?ICO=most_read_module

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  57. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Three men were sitting together bragging about how they had given their new wives duties.

    Terry had married a woman from America , and bragged that he had told his wife she needed to do all the dishes and housework. He said that it took a couple days but on the third day he came home to a clean house and the dishes were all washed and put away.

    Jimmie had married a woman from Canada . He bragged that he had given his wife orders that she was to do all the cleaning, dishes, and the cooking. He told them that the first day he didn’t see any results, but the next day it was better. By the third day, his house was clean, the dishes were done, and he had a huge dinner on the table.

    The third man had married a New Zealand girl. He boasted that he told her that her duties were to keep the house cleaned, dishes washed, laundry and ironing twice a week, lawns mowed, windows cleaned and hot meals on the table for every meal. He said the first day he didn’t see anything, the second day he didn’t see anything, but by the third day most of the swelling had gone down and he could see a little out of his left eye. Enough to fix himself a bite to eat, load the dishwasher, and call a handyman.

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  58. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    The Slobovian couple’s sex life was terrible, so they went
    out and bought a black market copy of a sex manual.
    “Ilena! I want to eat your pussy like it says in
    the book, but it smells so bad. Why don’t you go
    out and buy some of that Western feminine deodorant
    spray?”

    Ilena agreed. An hour later, she returned,
    VERY excited. “You should see the flavors they have,”
    she told her husband. “Strawberry, cherry, banana –”

    “What did you get?” he interrupted.

    “Tuna,” she replied.

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  59. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Poor old Griff. Celebrating the launch of another scam when, around the world, the other carbon trading fraudsters have made their fortunes and bailed leaaving their markets flatlining. Carbonated ponzi anyone?

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  60. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    On the matter of being liked.

    http://screencast.com/t/4l0EtPgSINeP

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  61. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    A bit of assistance for you Griff. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9nf01i7hdn5h55w/Handle%20a%20Skeptic.jpg

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  62. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    IT TOOK A VERY BRAVE MAN TO WRITE THIS….

    IT TAKES AN EVEN BRAVER MAN TO FORWARD IT….!!

    A son asked his mother the following question:

    ‘ Mom, why are wedding dresses white? ‘ The mother looks at her son and replies:

    ‘ Son, this shows your friends and relatives that your bride is pure.’

    The son thanks his Mom and goes off to double-check this with his father.

    ‘ Dad why are wedding dresses white? ‘
    The father looks at his son in surprise and says:

    ‘Son, all household appliances come in white.’

    (He’ll be out of intensive care shortly)

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  63. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Attendance call on the first day back at school in Birmingham, UK.
    The teacher began calling out the names of the pupils:
    “Mustafa Al Eih Zeri?” “Here.”
    “Achmed El Kabul?” “Here.”
    “Fatima Al Hayek? ” “Here.”
    “Ali Abdul Olmi?” “Here.”
    “Mohammed Bin Kadir?” “Here.”
    “Ali Son al Len” Silence in the classroom.
    “Ali Son al Len” Continued silence as everyone looked around the
    room.
    She repeated, “Is this the name of any child here?”

    A girl stood and said, “I think that’s me. It’s pronounced Alison Allen.

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  64. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    A priest was called away for an emergency. Not wanting to leave the confessional unattended, he called his rabbi friend from across the street and asked him to cover for him.
    The rabbi told him he wouldn’t know what to say, but the priest told him to come on over and he’d stay with him for a little bit and show him what to do.
    The rabbi comes, and he and the priest are in the confessional. In a few minutes, a woman comes in and says, ‘Father, forgive me for I have sinned.’
    The priest asks, ‘What did you do?’
    The woman says, ‘I committed adultery.’
    The priest says, ‘How many times?’
    And the woman replies, ‘Three.’
    Priest: ‘Say two Hail Mary’s, put $5 in the box, and go and sin no more.’
    A few minutes later a man enters the confessional. He says, ‘Father forgive me for I have sinned.’
    ‘What did you do?’
    ‘I committed adultery.’
    ‘How many times?’
    ‘Three times.’
    The priest says, ‘Say two Hail Mary’s, put $5 in the box and go and sin no more.’
    The rabbi tells the priest that he thinks he’s got it, so the priest leaves.
    A few minutes later another woman enters and says, ‘Father, forgive me for I have sinned.’
    The rabbi says, ‘What did you do?’
    The woman replies, ‘I committed adultery.’
    The rabbi, getting it off pat, says, ‘How many times?’
    The woman replies, ‘Once.’
    The rabbi said, ‘Go and do it two more times, We have a special this week, three for $5.’

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  65. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    A Northland Maori picks up a hooker off the streets of Wellington .
    ‘How much you charge for hour, sister?’ he asks.

    ‘$100,’ she replies.

    He says ‘You do Maori style?’
    ‘No’ she says.

    ‘I pay you $200 do it Maori style’
    ‘No’, she says, not knowing what Maori style is.

    ‘I pay you $300′
    ‘No’, she says.

    ‘I pay you $400′
    ‘No’, she says.

    So finally he says,
    ‘OK, I pay you $1,000 to do it Maori style..’

    She thinks,
    ‘Well, I’ve been in the game for over 10 years now. I’ve had every kind of request from weirdos from every
    part of the world. How bad could Maori Style be?’

    So she agrees and has sex with him.They do it in every kind of way and in every possible position.
    Finally, after several hours, they finish.

    Exhausted, the hooker turns to him and says,
    ‘Hey, I was expecting something perverted and disgusting. But that was good. So what exactly is ‘Maori style?’

    The Maori replies ‘You send bill to Government.’

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  66. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    The wife came home early and found her husband in their bedroom making love to a very attractive young woman.

    And she was upset. ‘You are a disrespectful pig!’ she cried. ‘How dare you do this to me — a faithful wife, the mother of your children! I’m leaving you. I want a divorce right away!’

    And the husband replied, ‘Hang on just a minute love, so at least I can tell you what happened.’

    ‘Go ahead,’ she sobbed,’ but they’ll be the last words you’ll say to me!’
    And the husband began — ‘Well, I was getting into the
    car to drive home, and this young lady here asked me for a lift. She looked so down and out and defenseless that I took pity on her and let her into the car.

    I noticed that she was very thin, not well dressed and very dirty. She told me that she hadn’t eaten for three days. So, in my compassion, I brought her home and warmed up the enchiladas I made for you last night, the ones you wouldn’t eat
    because you’re afraid you’ll put on weight . The poor thing devoured them in an instant.
    Since she needed a good clean-up, I suggested a shower,
    and while she was doing that, I noticed her clothes were dirty and full of
    holes, so I threw them away.
    Then, as she needed clothes, I gave her the designer
    jeans that you have had for a few years, but don’t wear because you say
    they are too tight.

    I also gave her the underwear that was your anniversary
    present, which you don’t wear because I don’t have good taste.

    I found the sexy blouse my sister gave you for Christmas
    that you don’t wear just to annoy her, and I also donated those boots you
    bought at the expensive boutique and don’t wear because someone at work
    has a pair the same.’

    The husband took a quick breath and continued – ‘She was
    so grateful for my understanding and help that as I walked her to the
    door, she turned to me with tears in her eyes and said…………….

    Do you have anything else that your wife doesn’t use?

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  67. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    A six-year-old boy told his father he wanted to marry the
    little girl from across the street.
    The father being modern and well-schooled in handling
    children, hid his smile behind his hand.

    “That’s a serious step,” he said. “Have you thought it
    out completely?”

    “Sure,” his young son answered. “We can spend one
    week in my room and the next in hers. It’s right across
    the street, so I can run home if I get lonely in the night.”

    “How about transportation?” the father asked.

    “I have my wagon, and we both have our tricycles,”
    the little boy answered.

    The boy had an answer to every question the father raised.

    Finally, in exasperation,the man asked, “What about babies?
    When you’re married, you’re liable to have babies, you know.”

    “We’ve thought about that, too,” the little boy replied.
    “We’re not going to have babies. Every time she lays an egg,
    I’m going to step on it!”

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  68. Griff (7,715 comments) says:

    Poor old KK

    I guess with both china and California implementing carbon scams it must be the governments have found they can tax us
    So far we have all major scientific bodies, the UN, The governments of most of the world and the majority of people in the western world are all taken in by this huge scam and the only onto it ones are the oil funded climate blogs and their pet “scientists” and the nutty side of USA right wing politics and media. How intelligent of you to way up the evidence so carefully. Your critical thinking skills are exemplary KK
    Did the Apollo program get to the moon? Are there aliens in Roswell? The cia and 9/11, Who did shot Kennedy and the true location of Elvis. I look forward to your critical thinking skills exposing these scams and conspiracy’s as well

    Foster and Rahmstorf (2011) Is the reason why your its not happening, its stopped is laughed at
    But its peer reviewed science by trained scientists what would they know about science.

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  69. Poliwatch (335 comments) says:

    Before the media makes wild dispersions on the London Waitangi Day celebrations have a read to the guide to the event. there might be some drunkenness, probably even excessive drunkenness but there is also organisation behind the scenes and a welcome door at places visited.

    http://drinkclubuk.blogspot.co.uk

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  70. stigie (1,184 comments) says:

    Where is Miss Penny not so, is she on holiday at the islands on courtesy of ratepayers funds ?

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  71. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    The RBNZ has sold NZ$¼ billion in the currency markets recently. Is this an attempt to push the NZ$ down?

    Has the Reserve Bank of New Zealand intervened to try and drive the NZ dollar down?

    In data released today, the RBNZ balance sheet shows it spent at least NZ$199 million selling the NZ$ in December, on top of at least NZ$64 million in late November.

    http://www.interest.co.nz/currencies/62934/rbnz-has-sold-nz%C2%BC-billion-currency-markets-recently-attempt-hold-nz-down

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  72. Griff (7,715 comments) says:

    See first post for some news on Ms P Tarnished.

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  73. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    worth a read. Particularly the stuff about Fonterra and thier failure to innovate that is allowing the Yanks to boot their bums in ther milk powder market. Smug pricks.+

    http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/62906/opinion-anz-nzs-economics-team-look-key-themes-2013-heres-theme-five-asia-taking-story

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  74. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Griff –

    So far we have all major scientific bodies, the UN, The governments of most of the world and the majority of people in the western world [1] are all taken in by this huge scam and the only onto it ones are the oil funded climate blogs [2] and their pet “scientists” and the nutty side of USA right wing politics [3] and media. How intelligent of you to way up the evidence so carefully. Your critical thinking skills are exemplary KK[4]

    Keep posting Griff. It’s ‘evidence’ like this that is showing the climate scam for what it is, being:

    (1) A call to unquestioningly trust a supposed consensus, then when that fails;
    (2) Blame the oil industry, then when that fails;
    (3) Blame right wing USA politics, then when that fails;
    (4) Bring on the ad hominen’s

    I take no satisfaction in watching you and the diminishing cohort of alarmists make fools of yourself. The social and economic damage caused by the global warming climate change global climate disruption fraud is completely disgusting.

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  75. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    More debunking the Greens.
    Eric Crampton points out that when you make a house warmer with insulation the occupants use more energy keeping it warm. No lowering of poer bills then!

    So free insulation will not help reduce energy demand: people respond to the reduced cost of heating by consuming more of it. This is worth knowing as some parties think that improved insulation is a substitute for greater generation capacity.

    Health outcomes improved consequent to better heating. The MOTU reports found a 3.9:1 benefit-to-cost ratio, but that 71% of total benefits were from reduced mortality. As a public health intervention to reduce mortality, this could be fine.
    http://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/insulation.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+OffsettingBehaviour+%28Offsetting+Behaviour%29

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  76. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Really. Most people are happy to get children raised in healthy/warmer homes, especially when via insulation it does not require an increase in energy supply to do this.

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  77. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    The major gain is not reduced mortality but a healthy child is more able to do well in education etc.

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  78. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Shorter V2, Crampton doesn’t think that trying to stay warm is the right outcome.

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  79. Scott Chris (6,139 comments) says:

    Eric Crampton points out that when you make a house warmer with insulation the occupants use more energy keeping it warm.

    No he doesn’t. Read it properly:

    The energy study showed that insulation treatment caused a statistically significant, but small (0.7%-1.0%) fall in metered energy consumption.

    He then goes on to say ‘Measured energy use was shown to increase slightly with the installation of clean heat installation’ whatever that means. Probably the installation of a heat pump.

    Sheesh.

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  80. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Griff says:

    So far we have all major scientific bodies, the UN, The governments of most of the world and the majority of people in the western world are all taken in by this huge scam and the only onto it ones are the oil funded climate blogs and their pet “scientists” and the nutty side of USA right wing politics and media.

    Well you all know China is taken in, but how about this….

    Only 37 of 194 nations signed the treaty that replaces the Kyoto Protocol, which expires December 31 – and several countries may withdraw their consent. That means the new agreement is legally non-binding and covers only at best 15% of global carbon dioxide emissions.

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  81. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Some heat pumps are used all year around and are used in summer to cool the house. So winter savings are offset by higher summertime use.

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  82. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Scott Chris (4,755) Says:
    January 30th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Eric Crampton points out that when you make a house warmer with insulation the occupants use more energy keeping it warm.

    No he doesn’t. Read it properly:

    The energy study showed that insulation treatment caused a statistically significant, but small (0.7%-1.0%) fall in metered energy consumption.

    He then goes on to say ‘Measured energy use was shown to increase slightly with the installation of clean heat installation’ whatever that means. Probably the installation of a heat pump.
    ——————————
    What it amounts to is that it isn’t worth the effort if the stated goal is to save energy. Clearly not viable on a cost basis and if you add double glazing the costs overide the saving big time.
    Whereas double glazing is much more efficient than underfloor insulation or wall insulation.
    But we knew all this before your theiving pricks decided to rob taxpayers of their hard earned money.
    Easier to add more clothes.

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  83. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Viking, ill health in cold homes is not just caused by the cold, but the condensation etc.

    Double glazing is just another form of insulation. Why does it pay off better than any other form?

    Double glazing and wall insulation are the most expensive in refits – the most advantageous is ceiling insulation and this is what is most often done.

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  84. Griff (7,715 comments) says:

    (1) A call to unquestioningly trust a supposed consensus, then when that fails;
    13950 scientific papers involving 30,000 scientist support the present understanding.
    24 papers dont

    (2) Blame the oil industry, then when that fails;
    There is a conclusive link between the oil industry and global warming denial We have tax documents reports and admissions of these payments and the organizational plans All documented with solid irrefutable evidence.

    (3) Blame right wing USA politics, then when that fails;
    Not right wing politics right wing nutters the same that give us the never ending attacks on obuma promote creationism as science and misdirect fuckwits to protest over tax cuts the right wing is not the problem the nutters on the right globally are

    (4) Bring on the ad hominen’s
    You think you are not a bunch of misinformed wingnuts? how sad

    Again
    its happening there is no evidence to the contra that stands up to scientific scrutiny
    we have multiple lines of physical evidence to support this
    the temperature record
    sea ice melting
    glaciers retreating
    species distribution changing
    sea level rising
    season timing changing
    increasing cost of natural disasters
    permafrost melt

    You have NO evidence to support you stance that holds up to informed scrutiny

    Massive alleged conspiracy on a global scale involving 30,000 plus scientist the governments and scientific bodies of the whole world :lol: conspriwhaky is for whackjobs

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  85. Manolo (13,774 comments) says:

    Another Griff’s hero misses the mark: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10862407

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  86. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Manolo you Cabernet lover you…

    Knocked over a 2002 Penfolds 707 last night quite an impressive wee drop that.

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  87. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/opinion/cartoons/6736460/Tom-Scott-2012

    Funny :-)

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  88. Manolo (13,774 comments) says:

    I haven’t had the pleasure of drinking 707 yet. Plenty of 407, but not its dearer and more illustrious brother.
    Lucky you!

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  89. big bruv (13,895 comments) says:

    Notice how we are being softened up by the Farmers groups and compliant media for another in the endless handouts to the rural sector because of the ongoing drought.

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  90. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    Colville – a funny cartoon.

    Labour is different, that has Shearer in the hot seat with all their activists clamouring for the lever that is ringed and guarded by his caucus cohorts.

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  91. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Pete
    Do you think you are turning into a bit of an anti-Labour obsessive? Shouldn’t you be sticking closer to your leader’s policy of always having a bob each way?

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  92. PhilP (163 comments) says:

    Stigie – You are probably right, all the money she is saving from not paying her rates can go on Pacific Island holidays. Thank you ratepayers….suckers…

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  93. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    The worlds luckiest man is feeling a bit crook:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/8246130/Legendary-porn-star-hospitalised

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  94. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    mikenmild – you seem to be getting a bit hissy about Labour’s shortcomings being pointed out, but I’m only one of a very big chorus singing that song. I’d be surprised if you hadn’t noticed heard any of it.

    But if you had actually taken any notice of what I’ve frequently said, I’m not anti-Labour.

    I’m pro a strong and credible Labour opposition that reviltalises so they are ready to lead a government again, but as most people notice, many like me with despair, nothing like that seems to be close to happening.

    I’m anti Labour continuing to trainwreck themselves, so far they have wasted four years of rebuilding time which is pathetic and worrying – for the future of Labour and the future of oNew Zealand politics and parliament.

    BTW I don’t have a leader, I say what I feel like saying. Are you more familiar with commenting on a different basis to that?

    BTW#2, another thing that seems to have escaped your notice, I don’t stop saying things because someone with an agenda tries to shut me up.

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  95. stigie (1,184 comments) says:

    Thats right Kea, Ron Jeremy was a legend in the wider porn industry, he could fuck all day and night and not get his rocks off.

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  96. stigie (1,184 comments) says:

    Yes Philu, i can only imagine this bitch would vote for Liarbore or the Greens !!

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  97. PhilP (163 comments) says:

    stinkbomb, don’t forget the racist MANA party

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  98. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Knocked over a 2002 Penfolds 707 last night quite an impressive wee drop that.

    Ok, jealous. I have a few 707’s tucked away. The first is due to be opened in 2026!!

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  99. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Ron Jeremy has starred in more than 2000 adult films but started life as a teacher.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/8246130/Legendary-porn-star-hospitalised

    Is Tevor Mallard following this?

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