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		<title>By: bhudson</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_30_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1089414</link>
		<dc:creator>bhudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Ron Jeremy has starred in more than 2000 adult films but started life as a teacher.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/8246130/Legendary-porn-star-hospitalised

Is Tevor Mallard following this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ron Jeremy has starred in more than 2000 adult films but started life as a teacher.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/8246130/Legendary-porn-star-hospitalised" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/8246130/Legendary-porn-star-hospitalised</a></p>
<p>Is Tevor Mallard following this?</p>
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		<title>By: krazykiwi</title>
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		<dc:creator>krazykiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Knocked over a 2002 Penfolds 707 last night quite an impressive wee drop that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ok, jealous. I have a few 707&#039;s tucked away. The first is due to be opened in 2026!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Knocked over a 2002 Penfolds 707 last night quite an impressive wee drop that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ok, jealous. I have a few 707&#8242;s tucked away. The first is due to be opened in 2026!!</p>
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		<title>By: PhilP</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_30_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1089401</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[stinkbomb, don&#039;t forget the racist MANA party]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stinkbomb, don&#8217;t forget the racist MANA party</p>
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		<title>By: stigie</title>
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		<dc:creator>stigie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes Philu, i can only imagine this bitch would vote for Liarbore or the Greens !!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Philu, i can only imagine this bitch would vote for Liarbore or the Greens !!</p>
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		<title>By: stigie</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_30_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1089225</link>
		<dc:creator>stigie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 04:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thats right Kea, Ron Jeremy was a legend in the wider porn industry, he could fuck all day and night and not get his rocks off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats right Kea, Ron Jeremy was a legend in the wider porn industry, he could fuck all day and night and not get his rocks off.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_30_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1089219</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 04:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mikenmild - you seem to be getting a bit  hissy about Labour&#039;s shortcomings being pointed out, but I&#039;m only one of a very big chorus singing that song. I&#039;d be surprised if you hadn&#039;t noticed heard any of it.

But if you had actually taken any notice of what I&#039;ve frequently said, I&#039;m not anti-Labour. 

I&#039;m pro a strong and credible Labour opposition that reviltalises so they are ready to lead a government again, but as most people notice, many like me with despair, nothing like that seems to be close to happening.

I&#039;m anti Labour continuing to trainwreck themselves, so far they have wasted four years of rebuilding time which is pathetic and worrying - for the future of Labour and the future of oNew Zealand politics and parliament.

BTW I don&#039;t have a leader, I say what I feel like saying. Are you more familiar with commenting on a different basis to that?

BTW#2, another thing that seems to have escaped your notice, I don&#039;t stop saying things because someone with an agenda tries to shut me up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mikenmild &#8211; you seem to be getting a bit  hissy about Labour&#8217;s shortcomings being pointed out, but I&#8217;m only one of a very big chorus singing that song. I&#8217;d be surprised if you hadn&#8217;t noticed heard any of it.</p>
<p>But if you had actually taken any notice of what I&#8217;ve frequently said, I&#8217;m not anti-Labour. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pro a strong and credible Labour opposition that reviltalises so they are ready to lead a government again, but as most people notice, many like me with despair, nothing like that seems to be close to happening.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m anti Labour continuing to trainwreck themselves, so far they have wasted four years of rebuilding time which is pathetic and worrying &#8211; for the future of Labour and the future of oNew Zealand politics and parliament.</p>
<p>BTW I don&#8217;t have a leader, I say what I feel like saying. Are you more familiar with commenting on a different basis to that?</p>
<p>BTW#2, another thing that seems to have escaped your notice, I don&#8217;t stop saying things because someone with an agenda tries to shut me up.</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_30_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1089216</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The worlds luckiest man is feeling a bit crook:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/8246130/Legendary-porn-star-hospitalised]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worlds luckiest man is feeling a bit crook:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/8246130/Legendary-porn-star-hospitalised" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/8246130/Legendary-porn-star-hospitalised</a></p>
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		<title>By: PhilP</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_30_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1089214</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stigie - You are probably right, all the money she is saving from not paying her rates can go on Pacific Island holidays. Thank you ratepayers....suckers...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stigie &#8211; You are probably right, all the money she is saving from not paying her rates can go on Pacific Island holidays. Thank you ratepayers&#8230;.suckers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mikenmild</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_30_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088779</link>
		<dc:creator>mikenmild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pete
Do you think you are turning into a bit of an anti-Labour obsessive? Shouldn&#039;t you be sticking closer to your leader&#039;s policy of always having a bob each way?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete<br />
Do you think you are turning into a bit of an anti-Labour obsessive? Shouldn&#8217;t you be sticking closer to your leader&#8217;s policy of always having a bob each way?</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_30_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088778</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Colville - a funny cartoon.

Labour is different, that has Shearer in the hot seat with all their activists clamouring for the lever that is ringed and guarded by his caucus cohorts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colville &#8211; a funny cartoon.</p>
<p>Labour is different, that has Shearer in the hot seat with all their activists clamouring for the lever that is ringed and guarded by his caucus cohorts.</p>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_30_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088775</link>
		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Notice how we are being softened up by the Farmers groups and compliant media for another in the endless handouts to the rural sector because of the ongoing drought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice how we are being softened up by the Farmers groups and compliant media for another in the endless handouts to the rural sector because of the ongoing drought.</p>
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		<title>By: Manolo</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_30_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088769</link>
		<dc:creator>Manolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t had the pleasure of drinking 707 yet.  Plenty of 407, but not its dearer and more illustrious brother.  
Lucky you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t had the pleasure of drinking 707 yet.  Plenty of 407, but not its dearer and more illustrious brother.<br />
Lucky you!</p>
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		<title>By: Colville</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_30_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088767</link>
		<dc:creator>Colville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/opinion/cartoons/6736460/Tom-Scott-2012

Funny :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/opinion/cartoons/6736460/Tom-Scott-2012" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/opinion/cartoons/6736460/Tom-Scott-2012</a></p>
<p>Funny <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Colville</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_30_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088766</link>
		<dc:creator>Colville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Manolo you Cabernet lover you...

Knocked over a 2002 Penfolds 707 last night quite an impressive wee drop that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manolo you Cabernet lover you&#8230;</p>
<p>Knocked over a 2002 Penfolds 707 last night quite an impressive wee drop that.</p>
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		<title>By: Manolo</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_30_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088763</link>
		<dc:creator>Manolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another Griff&#039;s hero misses the mark: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10862407]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Griff&#8217;s hero misses the mark: <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10862407" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10862407</a></p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_30_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088761</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(1) A call to unquestioningly trust a supposed consensus, then when that fails;
13950 scientific papers involving 30,000 scientist support the present understanding.
24 papers  dont

(2) Blame the oil industry, then when that fails;
There is a conclusive link between the oil industry and global warming denial We have tax documents reports and admissions of these payments and the organizational plans All documented with solid irrefutable  evidence. 

(3) Blame right wing USA politics, then when that fails;
Not right wing politics right wing nutters the same that give us the never ending attacks on obuma promote creationism as science and misdirect fuckwits to protest over tax cuts the right wing is not the problem the nutters on the right globally are

(4) Bring on the ad hominen’s
You think you are not a bunch of misinformed wingnuts? how sad

Again 
its happening there is no evidence to the contra that stands up to scientific scrutiny
we have multiple  lines of physical evidence to support this
the temperature record
sea ice melting
glaciers retreating
species distribution changing
sea level rising
season timing changing
increasing cost of natural disasters
permafrost melt

You have NO evidence to support you stance that holds up to informed scrutiny

Massive alleged conspiracy  on a global scale involving 30,000 plus scientist  the governments and scientific bodies of the whole world :lol: conspriwhaky is for whackjobs]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1) A call to unquestioningly trust a supposed consensus, then when that fails;<br />
13950 scientific papers involving 30,000 scientist support the present understanding.<br />
24 papers  dont</p>
<p>(2) Blame the oil industry, then when that fails;<br />
There is a conclusive link between the oil industry and global warming denial We have tax documents reports and admissions of these payments and the organizational plans All documented with solid irrefutable  evidence. </p>
<p>(3) Blame right wing USA politics, then when that fails;<br />
Not right wing politics right wing nutters the same that give us the never ending attacks on obuma promote creationism as science and misdirect fuckwits to protest over tax cuts the right wing is not the problem the nutters on the right globally are</p>
<p>(4) Bring on the ad hominen’s<br />
You think you are not a bunch of misinformed wingnuts? how sad</p>
<p>Again<br />
its happening there is no evidence to the contra that stands up to scientific scrutiny<br />
we have multiple  lines of physical evidence to support this<br />
the temperature record<br />
sea ice melting<br />
glaciers retreating<br />
species distribution changing<br />
sea level rising<br />
season timing changing<br />
increasing cost of natural disasters<br />
permafrost melt</p>
<p>You have NO evidence to support you stance that holds up to informed scrutiny</p>
<p>Massive alleged conspiracy  on a global scale involving 30,000 plus scientist  the governments and scientific bodies of the whole world <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />  conspriwhaky is for whackjobs</p>
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		<title>By: SPC</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_30_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088747</link>
		<dc:creator>SPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Viking, ill health in cold homes is not just caused by the cold, but the condensation etc. 

Double glazing is just another form of insulation. Why does it pay off better than any other form? 

Double glazing and wall insulation are the most expensive in refits - the most advantageous is ceiling insulation and this is what is most often done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viking, ill health in cold homes is not just caused by the cold, but the condensation etc. </p>
<p>Double glazing is just another form of insulation. Why does it pay off better than any other form? </p>
<p>Double glazing and wall insulation are the most expensive in refits &#8211; the most advantageous is ceiling insulation and this is what is most often done.</p>
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		<title>By: Viking2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/general_debate_30_january_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088737</link>
		<dc:creator>Viking2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott Chris (4,755) Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Eric Crampton points out that when you make a house warmer with insulation the occupants use more energy keeping it warm.

No he doesn’t. Read it properly:

    The energy study showed that insulation treatment caused a statistically significant, but small (0.7%-1.0%) fall in metered energy consumption.

He then goes on to say ‘Measured energy use was shown to increase slightly with the installation of clean heat installation’ whatever that means. Probably the installation of a heat pump.
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What it amounts to is that it isn&#039;t worth the effort if the stated goal is to save energy. Clearly not viable on a cost basis and if you add double glazing the costs overide the saving big time.  
Whereas double glazing is much more efficient than underfloor insulation or wall insulation.
But we knew all this before your theiving pricks decided to rob taxpayers of their hard earned money.
Easier to add more clothes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott Chris (4,755) Says:<br />
January 30th, 2013 at 10:26 pm</p>
<p>    Eric Crampton points out that when you make a house warmer with insulation the occupants use more energy keeping it warm.</p>
<p>No he doesn’t. Read it properly:</p>
<p>    The energy study showed that insulation treatment caused a statistically significant, but small (0.7%-1.0%) fall in metered energy consumption.</p>
<p>He then goes on to say ‘Measured energy use was shown to increase slightly with the installation of clean heat installation’ whatever that means. Probably the installation of a heat pump.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
What it amounts to is that it isn&#8217;t worth the effort if the stated goal is to save energy. Clearly not viable on a cost basis and if you add double glazing the costs overide the saving big time.<br />
Whereas double glazing is much more efficient than underfloor insulation or wall insulation.<br />
But we knew all this before your theiving pricks decided to rob taxpayers of their hard earned money.<br />
Easier to add more clothes.</p>
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		<title>By: SPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some heat pumps are used all year around and are used in summer to cool the house. So winter savings are offset by higher summertime use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some heat pumps are used all year around and are used in summer to cool the house. So winter savings are offset by higher summertime use.</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Griff says:

&lt;blockquote&gt; So far we have all major scientific bodies, the UN, The governments of most of the world and the majority of people in the western world are all taken in by this huge scam and the only onto it ones are the oil funded climate blogs and their pet “scientists” and the nutty side of USA right wing politics and media.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well you all know China is taken in, but how about this....

&lt;blockquote&gt;  &lt;b&gt; Only 37 of 194 nations signed the treaty that replaces the Kyoto Protocol, &lt;/b&gt; which expires December 31 – and several countries may withdraw their consent. That means the new agreement is legally non-binding and covers only at best 15% of global carbon dioxide emissions. &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griff says:</p>
<blockquote><p> So far we have all major scientific bodies, the UN, The governments of most of the world and the majority of people in the western world are all taken in by this huge scam and the only onto it ones are the oil funded climate blogs and their pet “scientists” and the nutty side of USA right wing politics and media.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well you all know China is taken in, but how about this&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote><p>  <b> Only 37 of 194 nations signed the treaty that replaces the Kyoto Protocol, </b> which expires December 31 – and several countries may withdraw their consent. That means the new agreement is legally non-binding and covers only at best 15% of global carbon dioxide emissions. </p></blockquote>
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