General Debate 31 January 2013

January 31st, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    Once again John Key effortlessly batted away the mass attacks in question time yesterday, including another scripted attempted by David Shearer.

    How would Shearer manage if he became Prime Minister and the roles were reversed?

    Question time – Key and Shearer

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  2. Stamper (33 comments) says:

    “Climate scientist / clown Jim Salinger has backtracked on a forecast that was going to see the mercury hitting 40 degrees for the next few days.”
    Another failed prediction by Jim Salinger – who would have guessed it.
    This is the tosser who fiddled the NIWA data to create a “Global Warming” trend for NZ climate; learnt the trick from his colleagues at the University of East Anglia. Why do news-media even report this clown’s rubbish?

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  3. Keeping Stock (9,366 comments) says:

    Some photographs simply cry out for a Caption Contest, and this is definitely one…come on over and have a crack…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/a-whip-of-caption-contest.html

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  4. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    Sweet & Sour Pork….

    I’d like to give it a crack… never made it… new to cooking… anyone want to pass on their wisdom?

    Oh yeah… blah blah climate change….

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  5. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    Talking of photos, has David Shearer’s image changed? Only in some pics, including on Labour’s website, but he looked same old in parliament yesterday.

    http://yournz.org/2013/01/31/shearer-a-good-look/

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  6. tvb (4,553 comments) says:

    I was irritated with the comment of “Karma” Ms Parata made over the novapay dispute. I just wonder whether she is suited to politics. I presume she will make the “I was quoted out of context” line. If she utters those meaningless words to explain herself I think John Key should sack her on the spot.

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  7. hj (7,133 comments) says:

    “If our present politically-correct masters were in charge, the Shire would have politicians, parliaments and laws, government, bureaucracy, factories, trade unions, industrial pollution, taxation, and compulsory schooling. Most of these things are largely unavoidable in a society as large and complex as our own, and most of them might well fall into the category of ‘good servants but bad masters’. The left, nevertheless, looks upon these things not as necessary evils but as actually positively desirable in themselves. This betrays a most unpleasant hunger for power and interference for its own sake. It is a pity that the land of the hobbits is only a fairy tale; and it is deeply revealing that it can be condemned as a desirable place to inhabit. We are entitled to ask ~ what is wrong with the Shire? And where would the left like us to be living? ”
    http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/david-round-hobbit-and-chris-trotter.html

    and if the right have there way (and ru$t never sleeps) there will be 50 million in the Shire, because the fat cats of realestate can afford there own private Shire (John Key types -Hawaii?)

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  8. James Stephenson (2,262 comments) says:

    I was irritated with the comment of “Karma” Ms Parata made over the novapay dispute.

    I get the impression that the dumb **** thinks that “karma” means “shit happens”…she’s not stupid enough to be using it with its actual meaning, is she? Is she?

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  9. kowtow (8,922 comments) says:

    Wind subsidy harvesters can’t take it!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/9837026/Wind-turbine-collapses-in-high-wind.html

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  10. Lance (2,703 comments) says:

    Another day in paradise
    http://gizmodo.com/5980125/man-shot-dead-after-gps-error-leads-him-to-wrong-house

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  11. hj (7,133 comments) says:

    The Voice Of Leadership Property Council of Australia blames house prices on restrictions to “land supply”

    Supply constraints
    There are a number of constraints which have restricted land supply in Australia’s urban areas. These include:
    – limiting growth boundaries and reducing development fronts,
    – new sustainability measures and a push for greater biodiversity protection which has limited developable land,
    – an inability to fund new infrastructure which forces new development into existing areas rather than on the urban fringe,

    [Flood plains not a problem -there are no limits to growth- climate change tends not to be made made]

    Insurers blame local councils for flood damage

    “Mitigation works and control of certain flood areas and prevention of development in certain areas actually will increase the overall level of protection in the community and lower the overall level of risk, which goes to the premiums and the costs,” he said.

    “If you continue to build developments on a flood plain, ultimately they’re going to be affected and that’s what we’ve been doing for the last 20, 30, 40 years.”
    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Insurers-blame-councils-for-flood-damage-4ESY3?OpenDocument&src=hp19

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  12. hj (7,133 comments) says:

    Shearer has seen the savings Working Group report (the one rejected by the National Real estate and Keith Locke Diversity Dividend coalition). He is dangerous.

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  13. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    Parata was often condemned for speaking many words with little meaning. So she made a joking quip – quite funny really. If politicians and education ministry employees can’t have a bit of a laugh then something’s wrong with expectations of being human…as long as you don’t offend anyone.

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  14. Andrei (2,653 comments) says:

    Welcome to the real world honey: Uni vs school of life: Reality bites

    60 grand in debt only to find that employers aren’t falling over themselves to employ game designers and movie editors, when what they really need is someone to make the tea and empty the trash.

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  15. Nookin (3,556 comments) says:

    PG

    I think I am with you on the karma comment. However, we seem stuck in a system where nasties — hardwired without any sense of whimsey — will seize on any comment for political point scoring.

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  16. BeaB (2,164 comments) says:

    Pete George well said. Many of us thought ‘karma’. It’s a pity we seek to constrain our politicians so much. A bit of humour never goes amiss even if the Greens and Labour collapse in shock whenever John Key makes a quip.

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  17. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    Hekia’s humour – maybe karma suits her.

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  18. dime (10,202 comments) says:

    sweet & sour pork – are you gonna batter it and deep fry it?

    any other way is garbage!

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  19. hj (7,133 comments) says:

    Stamper (25) Says:
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    twitter it around the climate cranks.

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  20. cha (4,129 comments) says:

    Sweet & Sour Pork….

    Ken Hom’s sweet and sour pork is a ripper.

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  21. Keeping Stock (9,366 comments) says:

    What BeaB said. Let’s have politicians who can crack a joke from time to time rather than dull time-servers, many of whom do not have an electoral mandate. Key has broken the mold somewhat, and the Left hates it that they cannot pigeon-hole him because he does not behave as a conventional politician does. He has changed the landscape in that regard.

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  22. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Climate change happens naturally. That’s all there is to it.
    Hundreds of billions of dollars later, that’s the conclusion.

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  23. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    While DPF was hobnobbing last night with politicians and media he scooped this snap: Neighbourhood cat with bird at Premier House

    But it has been confirmed it wasn’t a native bird.

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  24. dime (10,202 comments) says:

    cha – that looks the business!

    on a more serious note. Dime is hung today. consumed an extraordinary amount of brown liquor last night.

    if i were a pro sportsman i would be fronting the media today telling them how i had an alcohol problem because i binge. in reality though, great night :D

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  25. david (2,194 comments) says:

    “Dime is hung …” Not boasting … much !!!!!!!

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  26. Paulus (2,706 comments) says:

    tvb

    I wonder whether Parata knows something about the possibe deliberate stuffing of Novopay that we do not.
    It is accepted that somebody in the Education Department put in a wrong date which caused the latest stuff up – to get sympathy for Teachers ?
    Kharma…………………….

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  27. krazykiwi (8,040 comments) says:

    Climate change happens naturally. That’s all there is to it.
    Hundreds of billions of dollars later, that’s the conclusion.

    Quite so. It has been, and continues to be, an eco-guilt driven pillaging of the poor, in favour of the leave-it-to-us-we’re-the experts elite.

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  28. Akaroa (611 comments) says:

    Re Hekia Parata’s sense of humour – and some of the critical and humourless responses to same that appear above, as well as the critical grumbling of that Grinch whose comments were broadcast on the National programme this morning.

    What’s the matter with you guys/girls? Ever heard of humour? Or light-hearted repartee? Where have you been living? What sort of upbringing have you had? In a Soviet Gulag perhaps? Whatever, you’ve seriously missed out on that priceless human ability to see the funny, – or in this case ironic, – side of life. It makes all the difference!!

    My dear friends, in my seventh decade as i am, I learned many years ago that life is far too precious to be taken too seriously. Lighten up!! You’ll find you’ll get a lot more out of life if you can laugh at it.

    And, if you don’t want to lighten up, why not try moving to North Korea. They take life pretty seriously there, I hear!!

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  29. Jack5 (5,253 comments) says:

    Brian Fallow disappoints yet again in the Hoo-erald today with his defence of Reserve Bank/National policy (or non-policy) on the NZ dollar.

    At least this time Fallow doesn’t repeat the mistake of alleging the Swiss central bank was losing money from its cap on the Swiss franc, when in fact it has made billions.

    He reminds me of the war correspondents of World War 1, who didn’t challenged the imponderable, failing strategy of the generals like Haig. No other way but to out-bleed the Hun, the General Staff fuckwits said.

    No other way but to out-wit China, Japan, Singapore and the other suckers manipulating the currency, our central bank general staff say. Unfortunately, we are sacrificing our exporters, while our trading partners are bolstering or protecting theirs.

    It’s not as though our Reserve Bank governors have been blazing geniuses. Don Brash. Alan Bollard, who showed promise as a memoir writer and amateur painter. And now Graeme Wheeler, with a track record as an international bureaucrat.

    Fallow reflects a view fairly common in Auckland, with its big consumer consumption and tiny exports. This is that exports don’t matter because the magic wheels of the free market will ultimately correct the imbalance. By that time, unfortunately, NZ will be an impoverished, indebted, Central American type hell hole. And as in these banana republics, at least half of the national population will live in the major city.

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  30. Manolo (14,153 comments) says:

    More lies from an accomplished crook loved by Griff: http://michellemalkin.com/2013/01/30/round-2-al-gore/

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  31. krazykiwi (8,040 comments) says:

    This story pisses me off:

    Liquor worker accused of being drunk gets $62,000
    :::
    The company said Mr X was grossly intoxicated on the day, which led to several alleged incidents of serious misconduct, including abusive behaviour and sexual harassment.

    It alleged he failed to take responsibility for the out-of-control behaviour of a client who arrived drunk at a pre-function lunch and continued to drink heavily.
    :::
    Mr X was also alleged to have acted abusively towards customers and staff, including a group of Indian customers at the lunch.

    He then told a colleague to “f*** off” after she asked him to sit down during a post-function bus ride.

    When they arrived at the post-function event, Mr X was alleged to have sexually harassed the wife of a customer from a South Island tavern.

    The company suspended him the following day and dismissed him at a meeting two days later.

    The ERA found that Independent Liquor failed to follow proper procedures and ordered it to pay $58,118.70 in lost income and bonuses and $4000 in compensation for humiliation, loss of dignity and injury to feelings.

    And we wonder why there’s isn’t more job creation in NZ. Doubtless there are plenty of factors, and this kind of bullshit would be right up there. How will Mr X compensate his former employer for the the damage he did to their reputation? In short, he won’t.

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  32. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    @Jack5,

    I disagree. I thought his column was well balanced and informative.

    The proponents of RBNZ intervention gloss over the problem that intervention that successfully impacts the exchange rate for exporters, will also have negative implications.

    Such action will be inflationary – raising the cost of living for everyone. There is a double whammy for food, clothing, petrol and long-term finance as these imports would cost ordinary New Zealander’s more due to the lower NZD value.

    Effectively Labour and the Greens are proposing to reduce the real value of workers’ wages in order to increase the profits of exporters. You know, like farmers.

    They don’t seem to be dwelling on that at all…

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  33. Jack5 (5,253 comments) says:

    Re BJ Hudson’s post at 11.15:

    Is the Swiss central bank pushing up inflation in Switzerland? No.

    Does China’s iron control of its currency (ultimately by the Communist Party – no Reserve Bank independence there) cause wild inflation? No.

    The whole of the euro zone may be seen as a strategy to give Germany a low currency. Imagine where the Deutsche mark would have been today (unless of course the Germans tried something like the Swiss are doing). Was this hands off, non-intervention? No.

    Do Fallow and Monetary Blimps think current account balances don’t matter, or that they are only short-term corrections, and that export industries will mysteriously re-emerge because and when the magic wheels of the free market will eventually rebalance everything?

    NZ banks have been influencing the high NZ dollar. Foreign exchange departments’ views are given prominence in the MSM,in fact almost dominate it on currency matters. Bank staff have gradually been elevanted in the MSM from traders to strategists and now experts. Also the Treasury has an interest in keeping the NZD high because it means it costs less to borrow from overseas, and makes these bureaucrats’ performance look better.

    There is more to currency strategy than is revealed by Fallow’s position based on Economics 101 of a decade or two ago. I can’t agree that Fallow’s column in the Hooerald today is balanced.

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  34. Jack5 (5,253 comments) says:

    On Radio NZ’s Labour Programme late this morning, Graham Beattie in a film review told listeners they could go to the Internet and hear Abraham Lincoln’s voice from an early recording.

    In fact Lincoln died 12 years before Edison invented the the first device to record and play back sound.

    Never let facts get in the way of a good yarn!

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  35. Komata (1,220 comments) says:

    This is just tooo good.

    On the Radio NZ 1200 News Bulletin , Phil Goff, when talking about the ‘civilianisation’ of the NZDF and, (of course) berating the National Party for its actions.

    ‘The government has stripped it of its capabilities then expects it to undertake its commitments’

    This from the man whom, with Kamarade Klark, delibrately and systematically destroyed the RNZAF Air Strike Force!!!!!!

    (Expletive) hyprocrite, once again an exhibition of very selective short term memory – just like all the other Klarkites in power during the early part of this century!!

    The MSM will of course ask no questions, and do no investigations.

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  36. Weihana (4,620 comments) says:

    krazykiwi,

    The company said…

    It alleged…

    Mr X was also alleged…

    Mr X was alleged…

    Any possibility these allegations were unable to be substantiated and the company failed to conduct a proper investigation?

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  37. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    Labour have countered National’s choice for speaker and have nominated Trevor Mallard.

    Claire Trevett ‏@CTrevettNZH
    Shearer: “my only concern about Trevor is that he will be too fair.”

    (I’m not making this up).

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  38. krazykiwi (8,040 comments) says:

    Weihana, who knows. I note that the company was not directed to reinstate Mr X, so my guess is that there was plenty of evidence in support of his behaviour. Never mind the unacceptable behaviour, let’s punish a missing dotted i, or missing crossed t of the process. I wonder if the company has an option to sue Mr X for ruptational damage?

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  39. James Stephenson (2,262 comments) says:

    @PG – you couldn’t make it up…*shakes head in disbelief*

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  40. TheContrarian (1,094 comments) says:

    David Shearer just nominated Trevor Fucking Mallard for speaker of the house!

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  41. Weihana (4,620 comments) says:

    krazykiwi (8,671) Says:
    January 31st, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Weihana, who knows.

    Exactly, we don’t know. There is no indication that the alleged unacceptable behaviour was substantiated. If a company is not under an obligation to properly investigate such allegations (assuming they didn’t) then employment law and the whole process is meaningless. A lack of proper investigation is not merely forgetting to dot an “i” it undermines the entire basis for the dismissal.

    Now maybe they did. Maybe the ERA is just completely unreasonable. But I wonder why the article neglects to detail exactly what the rationale was. Perhaps it wouldn’t be newsworthy if it did and wouldn’t excite the passion of their readers.

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  42. slightlyrighty (2,096 comments) says:

    and they say Shearer has no sense of humour???

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8246741/Mallard-to-contest-speaker-role

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  43. TheContrarian (1,094 comments) says:

    Carter got it.

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  44. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    And in another Labour surprise ‘Eddie’ at The Standard was right with one of his rumours, he predicted Mallard’s nomination.

    http://yournz.org/2013/01/31/eddie-predicted-the-trevor-mallard-nomination-for-speaker/

    It’s a pity he can’t get rumours that matter right. This nomination is Labour taking the piss.

    But it signals a possible worry – if Labour do become part of the next government and pushed through with making Mallard speaker. Trev has a better than most knowledge of standing orders and how abuses of the house are achieved.

    However Mallard has been so entrenched in Labours black ops for so long it would take a major transformation – and a total separation with his past strategies – for Mallard to be anothing like balanced and fair.

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  45. noskire (835 comments) says:

    Media fail again:

    Stacey Kirk at Stuff is all confused with her report that Gareth Morgan’s controversial website advocating people get rid of their cats has been hacked.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/8246503/Morgans-cat-website-hacked-defaced

    Firstly, Gareth’s cat-killing “website” is simply a page set up on his personal website, http://garethsworld.com/, not a stand-alone website.

    The website that the story links to, Cats2Go.co.nz, appears to have no connection to Morgan (depsite the story saying it is his). In fact the registrar contact is listed as Strangled Kitty, in Christchurch.

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  46. hinamanu (1,068 comments) says:

    Frontline rips the lid off
    Obama White House fraud

    http://www.realecontv.com/videos/government-corruption/the-untouchables.html

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  47. noskire (835 comments) says:

    Edit to my previous post: I see Stuff has now edited the story.

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  48. Jack5 (5,253 comments) says:

    In a post at 12.05 I said Graham Beattie in a Radio NZ film review today talked of a recording of Lincoln being available – Lincoln died years before recording was invented.

    In fact it was film reviewer Graeme Tuckett who made the statement. Beattie was reviewing books earlier. Sorry, Graham Beattie.

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  49. hinamanu (1,068 comments) says:

    HYPERINFLATION: FED Keeps Inflating By 85,000,000,000/Month As US GDP SHRINKS

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/hyperinflation-fed-keeps-inflating-by-85000000000month-as-us-gdp-shrinks/

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  50. hinamanu (1,068 comments) says:

    A Face Book post

    Lance McC
    Our health system has gone to the dogs, and has no interest in getting people well and back in to society in a functional way.

    I am writing to you because of 3 reasons, 1: I am in pain, 2: my doctor lied a little, 3: doctor was not enthusiastic about doing anything.

    I have a small lump near the ball of my foot causing great pain (re issue 1 I am in pain), stopping me from looking for work etc because I can no be on my feet for long (no it is not diabetes related). I had one of these about 30 years ago when i was a kid in Te Kuiti (in a different part of my foot), that time they took me in for a half day (or less) operation to remove the lump and send it away to be tested to make sure it was nothing nasty. They sent me home and told me to be careful for a week or so and all was well.

    My doctor this time said i could go to a private podiatrist (re issue 2, doctor lied). First i can not afford this. Second i rang (when I got home) the podiatrist (she gave me the number of) to find out the cost, and was told they can not do that.

    Next the doctor said she can give me pain killers for it, to which i asked “so I am supposed to live of pain killers for the next 50 years or until I get so depressed I commit suicide?” to which she answered “no only till you can afford to get it done”.

    After a lot of pushing she said she could refer me to the hospital. But they would send me back to her, which I do not see the point of the hospital sending me back to the person that refereed me to them to start with. After a lot more pushing she wrote a letter and faxed it to (she says, but by now I do not know how truthful she is) the podiatry department of the hospital.

    The health system seems to have the approach that a small thing that can be fixed with a few hours in hospital with a local anaesthetic and then a week or two recovery at home and a trip to doctor to remove stitches and have me back to normal and able to work again, has to be strung out over months (if anything ever gets done at all) by which time i would not have increased my fitness due to not moving around, would not have lost weight and in fact put on weight and become a higher risk of diabetes and depression due to constant pain and not being able to get out and have a life.

    It seems our health system does not want healthy productive people in society and our government is lieing when they say the do.

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  51. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    This is funny – ‘fatty’ suggests that to make up for weaknesses in the Labour ranks Campbell Live should extend to an hour and be their spokesperson for Education and Social Development.

    Fatty: Campbell Live should extend for Labour

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  52. Manolo (14,153 comments) says:

    Speaking the truth: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/letters-to-the-editor/8244247/Letter-Hes-right-its-a-Maori-takeover

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  53. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Stamper
    Your allegation against Salinger went to court and was thrown out
    Of course if you are in climate denial it does not mean anything no matter how many times claims like yours are trashed nutters still say they are real. Niwa released a another temperature series and the new Zealand wingnuts still will not accept reality.

    I note that KK is still trying to allege a global conspiracy :lol:

    Face it nutters you daily make your self’s look like tinfoil heads.

    Manlulu who the fuck is this al guy you keep wanking over? does he give you the hots or something?
    Please explain why he is my hero I have not seen the movie or read the book and I dont watch tv. The only reason I got involved on climate change was because I looked into the storys RN Other Andy and KK Wat et al keep posting on here and they were so obviously bullshit I started to refute them.

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  54. nasska (12,072 comments) says:

    The Messiah is at it again.

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/k2rc65cjlzjt820/BoomStick.jpg

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  55. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    Griff, does public belief in AGW assist you in earning any of your personal income ?

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  56. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    Griff, when a suitably qualified climate scientists does NOT support AGW, you claim they are in the pay of big oil or the fictional shadowy “carbon industry”. You are acknowledging that scientists can present findings favourable to their employer.

    Lets go with that then…

    When a scientist DOES support AGW you deny that they could be influenced by the money they receive from their employer, because they are “scientists”.

    You often (daily actually) attempt to discredit climate scientists by claiming they are on the pay roll of BIG OIL or the “carbon industry” (carbon means organic in this context boys & girls). You are a great one for providing figures to back up your point of view, so it should be no problem for you to substantiate your claims by providing the typical pay of an IPCC scientist compared with other climate scientists who do not support AGW theory.

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  57. wat dabney (3,840 comments) says:

    Griff,

    Unfortunately your attempt at open-handed innocence falls rather flat. You have blatently lied, posted links to stuff which in fact contradicts your position (which you subsequently ignored, of course), completely failed to address the fact that the signatures of man-man influence are noticable by their complete absence, and shown extreme ignorance of the subject altogether; to the point that you clearly had no clue that, far from being based on sound science, the whole global warming scan hinges on alleged positive feed-back effects which have never been observed or demonstrated.

    In short, you have been repeatedly exposed as a teenager concerned only with “winning” an argument.

    Sorry son.

    Isn’t it time for your next wank?

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  58. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    Isn’t it time for your next wank?

    wat, He is trying to cut back on his emissions ;)

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  59. Manolo (14,153 comments) says:

    The Stone Agers are warned: http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/court-warns-maori-council-over-asset-sale-challenge-bc-135209

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  60. Tauhei Notts (1,687 comments) says:

    I find the comments of Dame Sian Elias on the sale of a minority share of a state owned enterprise to be worrying.
    We elect parliamentarians to govern. I have no wish to be governed by some woman who has brown nozed since the Nga Tamatoa outfit in the early seventies.

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  61. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    Latest Roy Morgan poll – little change.

    National no change 46
    Labour no change 31.5
    Greens 1.5 up to 13.5
    NZ First up 0.5 to 5.5

    They’ll all be happy enough with the results except Labourites desperate for some traction.

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  62. krazykiwi (8,040 comments) says:

    NZ First up 0.5 to 5.5

    Perhaps each of these supporters could dig deep and scrap together the $158,000 that Winston still owes. pq and hj could start the ball rolling with $1000 each. As a show of good faith.

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  63. Reid (16,681 comments) says:

    Did anyone see this, on FISA?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10862443

    What occurs to me is, how come the media get all excited about a law that enables warrentless data surveillance by the US of everyone in the entire world, including you. When it doesn’t get at all excited about another US law, called the National Defense Authorisation Act which allows the US to kidnap anyone in the entire world, including you, torture you and imprison you without trial for the rest of your natural life?

    How come our alert watchdog press jumps on the former but to my knowledge, has thus far completely and totally ignored the latter? Which of those two laws is the more important to us?

    Not that I’m surprised of course. Such behaviour from our useless Fourth Estate is mere de rigeur, isn’t it.

    I have no wish to be governed by some woman who has brown nozed since the Nga Tamatoa outfit in the early seventies.

    Well too fucking late Tuahei. After all, how else is Hulun and the Sisterhood, of whom Elias is a senior member, supposed to carry on her wonderful plan?

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  64. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Graeme Hart sells five dairy farms to the Swedes where is that wanker Peters then?

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  65. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    PEB,

    Perhaps he, Russel and Shearer missed them because they look like ‘us’? Who can be sure?

    Who can be sure of anything there other than there would appear to be more than one standard for foreign investment in land as far as they are concerned?

    Perhaps they would like to elucidate the differences for us all?

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  66. nasska (12,072 comments) says:

    “I am a single man (30) seeking a life-partner to share my soul with. I am sensitive, caring and have a deeply loving nature. If you wish to give me your heart, I will give you mine and know that, held within your gentle hands, it will be safe for ever. No fat chicks.”

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  67. Don the Kiwi (1,808 comments) says:

    Talking about yourself nasska?

    Surely this is satire. :-)

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  68. Thrash Cardiom (249 comments) says:

    Six former heads of the Shin Bet, Israel’s secretive internal security service, have spoken out as a group for the first time and are making stunning revelations.

    The men who were responsible for keeping Israel safe from terrorists now say they are afraid for Israel’s future as a democratic and Jewish state.

    http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/28/six-israeli-security-chiefs-stun-the-world/

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  69. nasska (12,072 comments) says:

    Alas Don….I’m in the wrong age group. I’d need a fast time machine to see thirty again. :)

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  70. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    :lol:
    Wat are you going to provide a link to your no warming.
    Please do like a science link go on I beg you :lol: You are talking shit I have asked you to provide a link and other than the story from David rose you can not back your claim with actual facts. MSM is not science
    Again and try reading the graph you create here is a trend calculator for the climate trend and a published paper that explains the difference between weather cycles and global warming
    http://skepticalscience.com/foster-and-rahmstorf-measure-global-warming-signal.html
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/trend.php
    Do your hardest to find your no warming

    Kea One scientist I have linked to 13950 papers involving scientist you have linked to 0 scientist with an acknowledge expertise All you do is make claims mostly involving a global conspiracy and evil governments committing a hoax
    30,000 scientist that published these papers from labs research institutes and university’s all round the world you need More than a few fringe nuters to prove any thing you need many scientist and and many papers to prove your claims of its not happening

    conspiwhackys and nutter blogs are for wing nuts.
    You are not trying to beat me. You weirdos are fighting nature and losing Badly. Ask the ozys the yanks and the poms
    These heat waves storms droughts and floods are expected to be normal weather by the middle of this century
    Sounds good to you sounds bloody terrifying to me.

    Oh buy the way wat wat why did you not post the winter ice extent this year finally realize winter has ice did you?

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  71. Reid (16,681 comments) says:

    Six former heads of the Shin Bet, Israel’s secretive internal security service, have spoken out as a group for the first time and are making stunning revelations.

    They’re not stunning to me, Thrash. I’ve been saying the same thing here for years. For some reason, every time I say those things, all the Iswael-firsters get all confused and think I’m being “anti-semitic.” But good to hear Shin Bet agrees with me

    Moreh said he was shocked to hear Avraham Shalom, Austrian-born and a refugee of the Nazis, compare the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian Territories to Germany’s occupation of Europe.

    Don’t know why he was shocked. It’s perfectly obvious to anyone who looks at reality as it in fact is and doesn’t put on their wose-tinted glasses because the holocaust makes evewything OK…

    Betcha this goes nowhere in the MSM. After all, that would be “anti-semitic,” wouldn’t it.

    Oh the humanity.

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  72. Viking2 (11,660 comments) says:

    Thursday, 31 January 2013
    France to deport Imams

    France is set to deport several ‘Radical foreign Imams’, according to the French Interior Minister Manuel Valls as part of a fight against “global jihadism”.

    “Several radical foreign preachers will be expelled in the coming days,” Valls told a Brussels conference called to tackle extremism in Europe on Tuesday, without identifying any of the individuals concerned.
    “I don’t confuse this radical Islam with the Islam of France but there is a religious environment, there are Salafist groupings, who are involved in a political process, whose aim is to monopolise cultural associations, the schooling system,” he added.
    “We will expel all these imams, all these foreign preachers who denigrate women, who hold views that run counter to our values and who say there is a need to combat France.
    “We have to be extremely firm and that I will be,” he said.

    What’s that saying about attempting to shut the gate after the horse has bolted?

    http://brendanslongblog.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/france-to-deport-imams.html

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  73. Viking2 (11,660 comments) says:

    naaska. there is a selection of grannies here for you. Just take your pick.
    http://www.sheisgranny.com/

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  74. krazykiwi (8,040 comments) says:

    MSM is not science

    This from the guy who cites Wikipedia, ad nauseam, as as credible scientific source. Hilarious. Popcorn. More popcorn.

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  75. Thrash Cardiom (249 comments) says:

    They’re not stunning to me, Thrash. I’ve been saying the same thing here for years. For some reason, every time I say those things, all the Iswael-firsters get all confused and think I’m being “anti-semitic.” But good to hear Shin Bet agrees with me

    The cry of racism/anti-semite merely exposes the paucity in their arguments. They don’t have to think about anything.

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  76. nasska (12,072 comments) says:

    Thanks V2…..I needed that, not! :)

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  77. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    Fascinating but the absurdity is not surprising.

    Foolish games

    As I indicated would happen in my post this morning on the Labour reshuffle, Mallard made a run for speaker today.* He and the Labour leadership tried to keep the fact he was running secret right to the last moment. Why not run an honest, open campaign? Because a vote on speaker can only be made by MPs physically present in the chamber. No proxies. Let me explain.

    Mallard’s plan was to stay quiet so National MPs wouldn’t think there was a competition and, so, wouldn’t bother to show up to the chamber – with no question time today ministers would book other appointments and MPs would head back to their electorates. To try to keep it secret, the old guard went so far as to not even tell their own caucus until last night, despite having told the support parties days before.* (ouch!)

    If it had gone to plan, with all the Labour, Green, and NZF MPs would have been present, National would have been short and Mallard would have the numbers to sneak in.

    Mallard and the old guard seem to have thought that would be a mighty clever trick. But did they stop to think how it would have looked?

    Mallard could never have had any legitimacy as speaker in the eyes of the House or the public. And it never would have lasted – the Nats would have just voted him out when next they had a majority present, or refused to accept his rulings. Labour would have got all pain, and for only temporary gain for Mallard’s ego.

    Can’t they focus on stuff that matters to the people they want to vote Labour, rather than this bullshit? All it would have done is further tarnish Labour’s image and make them look like under-handed sneaks who are more interested in their personal elevation then the interests of ordinary New Zealanders – but, then, Trev and the rest of the old guard have being doing that for years.

    *oops, when I let the cat out of the bag this morning, I didn’t realise it was such a huge secret because it was going around the traps long before most of Labour’s MPs were allowed to know.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/foolish-games

    Brought to you by the leadership team that will fully endorse itself next Monday and go forth and demolish the Nats over the next 22 months.

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  78. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Natural cycles shift to cooling.
    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2002/to:2013/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2002/to:2013/trend/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2002/to:2013/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2002/to:2013/trend/plot/rss/from:2002/to:2013/plot/rss/from:2002/to:2013/trend/plot/gistemp/from:2002/to:2013/plot/gistemp/from:2002/to:2013/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:2002/to:2013/plot/hadsst2gl/from:2002/to:2013/trend

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  79. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Hwho do you site KK at least wiki is verifyable
    Lets see WUWT where on his home page he is still posting his so called study proving the urban heat island effect
    except he did not adjust for time of day or station movement…. massive fail….He got laughed at within hours of Publishing his paper on his blog. The required adjustments to allow for these well known and documented effects changes his paper to irrefutable proof the climate record is correct. What a loser :lol: still trying to say his rubbish is science when even other denialist have backed away from his piece of junk science.
    By the way you can read DPF post on this farce http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/08/watts_temperature_under_fire_-including_by_co-author.html

    You are I think referring top linking to graphs on wiki. Guess what they are better referenced and more accurate then the junk you link too because they have a moderator that does not allow junk since from the nutters to be AstroTurfed on wiki something that really pisses you nutters of …..eh…..

    Hows the proof of a massive global hoax coming KK is it taking second place to preparing your rapture pack?

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  80. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    Kea (1,963) Says:
    January 31st, 2013 at 5:50 pm
    Griff, does public belief in AGW assist you in earning any of your personal income ?

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  81. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    One more question you overlooked. Should be an easy one with all your inside knowledge Griff.

    Kea (1,964) Says:
    January 31st, 2013 at 6:06 pm
    Griff, when a suitably qualified climate scientists does NOT support AGW, you claim they are in the pay of big oil or the fictional shadowy “carbon industry”. You are acknowledging that scientists can present findings favourable to their employer.

    Lets go with that then…

    When a scientist DOES support AGW you deny that they could be influenced by the money they receive from their employer, because they are “scientists”.

    You often (daily actually) attempt to discredit climate scientists by claiming they are on the pay roll of BIG OIL or the “carbon industry” (carbon means organic in this context boys & girls). You are a great one for providing figures to back up your point of view, so it should be no problem for you to substantiate your claims by providing the typical pay of an IPCC scientist compared with other climate scientists who do not support AGW theory ?

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  82. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    To quote wat wat it is a not statistically significant time frame try 20 years then it becomes statistical significant But of course that would be the climate not weather… eh …..
    El nino elnina and the solar cycle as per the paper I previously referred to
    Do keep up with the research right now
    And have a look at this its called going down the up escalator as you very well know http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=47

    And while you are at it here is some other stuff for you to refute
    Scientific Consensus on Global Warming

    Scientific societies and scientists have released statements and studies showing the growing consensus on climate change science. A common objection to taking action to reduce our heat-trapping emissions has been uncertainty within the scientific community on whether or not global warming is happening and if it is caused by humans. However, there is now an overwhelming scientific consensus that global warming is indeed happening and humans are contributing to it. Below are links to documents and statements attesting to this consensus.

    Scientific Societies

    Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations

    “Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver.” (October, 2009)

    American Meteorological Society: Climate Change: An Information Statement of the American Meteorological Society

    “Indeed, strong observational evidence and results from modeling studies indicate that, at least over the last 50 years, human activities are a major contributor to climate change.” (February 2007)

    American Physical Society: Statement on Climate Change

    “The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.” (November 2007)

    American Geophysical Union: Human Impacts on Climate

    “The Earth’s climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system—including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons—are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century.” (Adopted December 2003, Revised and Reaffirmed December 2007)

    American Association for the Advancement of Science: AAAS Board Statement on Climate Change

    “The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society.” (December 2006)

    Geological Society of America: Global Climate Change

    “The Geological Society of America (GSA) supports the scientific conclusions that Earth’s climate is changing; the climate changes are due in part to human activities; and the probable consequences of the climate changes will be significant and blind to geopolitical boundaries.” (October 2006)

    American Chemical Society: Statement on Global Climate Change

    “There is now general agreement among scientific experts that the recent warming trend is real (and particularly strong within the past 20 years), that most of the observed warming is likely due to increased atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations, and that climate change could have serious adverse effects by the end of this century.” (July 2004)

    National Science Academies

    U.S. National Academy of Sciences: Understanding and Responding to Climate Change (pdf)

    “The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.” (2005)

    International academies: Joint science academies’ statement: Global response to climate change (pdf)

    “Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring.” (2005, 11 national academies of science)

    International academies: The Science of Climate Change

    “Despite increasing consensus on the science underpinning predictions of global climate change, doubts have been expressed recently about the need to mitigate the risks posed by global climate change. We do not consider such doubts justified.” (2001, 16 national academies of science)

    Research

    National Research Council of the National Academies, America’s Climate Choices

    “Most of the recent warming can be attributed to fossil fuel burning and other human activities that release carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.” America’s Climate Choices, Advancing the Science of Climate Change, 2010

    U.S. Climate Change Research Program, Global Climate Change Impacts in the United States (2009)

    “Global warming is unequivocal and primarily human-induced. Global temperature has increased over the past 50 years. This observed increase is due primarily to human-induced emissions of heat-trapping gases.”

    Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change, Peter T. Doran and Maggie Kendall Zimmerman

    “It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes.”

    Doran surveyed 10,257 Earth scientists. Thirty percent responded to the survey which asked: 1. When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant? and 2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?

    Beyond the Ivory Tower: The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change, Naomi Oreskes

    “Oreskes analyzed 928 abstracts published in refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003 and listed in the ISI database with the keywords ‘climate change.’… Of all the papers, 75 percent either explicitly or implicitly accepted the consensus view that global warming is happening and humans are contributing to it; 25 percent dealt with methods or ancient climates, taking no position on current anthropogenic [human-caused] climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.” 

    Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

    Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis, IPCC, 2007. Contribution of Working Group I to the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change [Solomon, S., D. Qin, M. Manning, Z. Chen, M. Marquis, K.B. Averyt, M.Tignor and H.L. Miller (eds.)]. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, United Kingdom and New York, NY, USA.

    “Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level”

    “Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.”

    IPCC defines “very likely” as greater than 90% probability of occurrence.

    Sign-on Statements

    The Importance of Science in Addressing Climate Change: Scientists’ letter to the U.S. Congress. Statement signed by 18 scientists.
    “We want to assure you that the science is strong and that there is nothing abstract about the risks facing our Nation.” (2011)

    Climate Change and the Integrity of Science
    Signed by 255 members of the National Academy of Sciences. “… For a problem as potentially catastrophic as climate change, taking no action poses a dangerous risk for our planet. … The planet is warming due to increased concentrations of heat-trapping gases in our atmosphere. …Most of the increase in the concentration of these gases over the last century is due to human activities, especially the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation.” (2010)

    U.S. Scientists and Economists’ Call for Swift and Deep Cuts in Greenhouse Gas Emissions

    “We call on our nation’s leaders to swiftly establish and implement policies to bring about deep reductions in heat-trapping emissions. The strength of the science on climate change compels us to warn the nation about the growing risk of irreversible consequences as global average temperatures continue to increase over pre-industrial levels (i.e. prior to 1860). As temperatures rise further, the scope and severity of global warming impacts will continue to accelerate.” (2008)

    Increase Your Leadership on Global Warming: A Letter from California Scientists

    “If emissions continue unabated, the serious consequences of a changing climate for California are likely to include a striking increase in extreme heat and heat-related mortality, significant reductions in Sierra snowpack with severe impacts on water supply, mounting challenges to agricultural production, and sea-level rise leading to more widespread erosion of California’s beaches and coastline.” (2005)

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  83. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    Kea (1,965) Says:
    January 31st, 2013 at 9:08 pm
    Kea (1,963) Says:
    January 31st, 2013 at 5:50 pm
    Griff, does public belief in AGW assist you in earning any of your personal income ?

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  84. krazykiwi (8,040 comments) says:

    Griff, Wikipedia is driven by opinion and emotion. Science is driven by theory and fact. The AGW theory has failed, and the facts point to natutal climate variation for eons. That you choose to rely on Wikipedia is beyond senseless.

    Your alamist world view is crumbling Griff, and your intellectually bereft ramblings only accelerate this. Like I said.. keep it up mate. You’re doing the world a favour.

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  85. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    Krazy, Griff has been provided many links to highly qualified climate scientists, but chooses to ignore them and even deny those scientists exist.

    If he wont listen to his own scientists, then why will he listen to us ?

    Remember this is a Guy who lives, off the grid, on a boat, smoking dope while he waits for a global flood and the end of life as we know it. He is not generally crazy and I tend to agree with him on most topics, but he has lost the plot on this one. I think he sincerely believes in AGW, unlike the people behind this scam pulling his strings. They are driven by a general concern for the environment, social justice issues and a desire for power.

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  86. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Time (and empirical data) will tell griff. My money is on the evidence, not the dogma.

    And you really shouldn’t trust anyone who won’t share their data. They’re lying to you.

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  87. krazykiwi (8,040 comments) says:

    Lost cause RN. When someone’s world centres on, nay depends upon believing in a theoretical calamity, facts and evidence count for naught. My guess is that the world view of Griff and his fellow hoodwinked millions will become case study material for generations to come.

    A closing thought: Climate science is to truth what Lance Armstrong is to cycling.

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  88. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    No kea massive fail
    I posted yesterday the only reason I got interested is when I started posting here and started reading these attempts to refute global warming.
    When I read the story’s that where posted as science I found basic errors or out right lies time and again.
    FFS we had a classic on here a few days ago
    Some nong posted a story and links to a nutter blog saying the raising snow extent in Greenland proves its not melting
    Except snow is not the total volume of ice. snow extent means its snowing more, AGW = due to warmer air holding more moisture. When it packs down it becomes ice and it is the ice volume in Greenland that is shrinking at an rapidly accelerating rate.

    The fact that one story on a blog is obviously a beat up or just bullshit made me start to look at who these blogs where
    I soon found that the bloggers on the sites where often linked together Or shared links to heartland institute or similar.
    Googling names often lead me to evidence of collusion that was driven by Funding or involvement by the oil industry.

    This program of denial is designed to allow oil companies to make more money by deceiving us into future eating the planet and is one of the greatest evils of our time.

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  89. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Oh, it’s a conspirawhacky then?

    I dunno, you know those climate scientists are proven shills for the oil companies, they get paid millions you know.

    And there’s evangelical christian John Cook, who runs the SS website. I heard you’re not meant to trust anything by anyone who is religious. Otherwise you’d have to actually pay attention to the 31,000+ signatories to the Petition Project.

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  90. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    And then there’s the scientific method, which says you should share your data, your methods should be reproducible, if the results don’t match the hypothesis you should change the hypothesis, not the data.

    There’s the hiding of data, the inverting of data, the adjusting the data.

    There’s the crook Gleick, the charlatans Lewandowsky, Karolly and Gergis.

    There’s Big Al’s special hypocrisy sauce, enjoyed by Climate Conference Delagates the world over – jetting around the world to tell us all to cut our CO2 emissions. There’s the carbon trading scam, thank the skeptics for saving the world from that rort.

    Four fucking polar bears. The Himalayan Glaciers disappearing in 35 years. Children just won’t know what snow is. Australia is facing permanent drought. The Medieval Warm Period didn’t really happen.

    No, just no.

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  91. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    facts and evidence count for naught :lol:

    We have a warming globe.
    At least six separate compilations of the temperature record.
    Melting ice all round the globe.
    Rising sea level.
    Ocean acidification.
    Changing seasons.
    Growing impact of weather disruption.
    Changing species distribution.
    Permafrost melting.

    All happening as the theory of AGW predicted.
    No evidence exists for any other agent to account for this warming except mans emissions.

    And you guys ignore the body of physical evidence, the universitys, The governments, The countrys, the Worlds Science Organizations, Tens of Thousands of scientist and Thousands of published papers ALL SUPPORTING AGW

    Who is not looking at the evidence?

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  92. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Thirty thousand scientist right now think about thirty thousand scientist in 13950 papers.

    Not half a dozen personality’s that is just logic fail :lol:

    Often a paper is written by three or four specialist in different branches of science who could be from any where in the world. Its is peer reviewed to judge whether it rates publishing. Once reviewed and published other scientists read and make up there own minds as to its value and whether its conclusions are valid. Often further research will find fault with conclusions or dispute one small part of the research. This process seeks to refine knowledge all the time. Nothing is scared or above challenge. Position in science is depended on the respect your previous publications are received in the community. If a scientists work was a hoax or a scam it would just get ignored. Which is what has happened to the 24 papers that try to refute man made global warming.

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  93. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Recent trends are cooling
    Six different compilations of the temperature record show recent cooling. The rate of temperature change is resembling a sine wave:
    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2002/to:2013/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2002/to:2013/trend/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2002/to:2013/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2002/to:2013/trend/plot/rss/from:2002/to:2013/plot/rss/from:2002/to:2013/trend/plot/gistemp/from:2002/to:2013/plot/gistemp/from:2002/to:2013/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:2002/to:2013/plot/hadsst2gl/from:2002/to:2013/trend/plot/best/from:2002/to:2013/trend
    Antarctic ice has increased
    Sea level rise is in the order of 20cm/century
    Oceans are so alkaline the rate of PH change is insignificant
    Crop yeilds are at an all time high
    Weather disruption is nothing new, and records show it is not worse now than in times prior to the attribution of human CO2
    Species adapt, like humans.
    Permafrost may melt a little, it’s not unprecedented. The predicted methane concentrations by multiple IPCC reports hasn’t materialised, so meh. Good for Siberia.

    The theory of AGW predicted rates of warming that simply haven’t happened.
    Many other agents contribute to the climate, just because they all haven’t been identified, quantified and proven doesn’t mean AGW theory is right by default.

    No amount of names or papers can make up for being wrong.
    Change the hypothesis, not the evidence.

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  94. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    The governments, The countrys, the Worlds Science Organizations, Tens of Thousands of scientist and Thousands of published papers ALL SUPPORTING AGW

    Only 37 of 194 nations signed the treaty that replaces the Kyoto Protocol, which expires December 31 – and several countries may withdraw their consent.

    This program of denial is designed to allow oil companies to make more money by deceiving us into future eating the planet and is one of the greatest evils of our time.

    A quick search of the web revealed this claim as a lie. Many large oil companies officially admit AGW.

    Of course it makes no difference to them. They can play along with the hoax because the world needs their product. Our entire modern civilisation is only possible with oil. There is no shortage of customers and demand is not ending any time soon. It is good for their public image to say AGW is real and these people spend a fortune on improving their public image. There is no money and no gain for them to deny climate change, regardless of if it is real or not. They make money from OIL not denial and the world can not get enough oil.

    You may claim they deny AGW to prevent more taxes on their product. FAIL ! They do what any business does and pass that cost onto the consumer, who needs the product no matter what it costs.

    Griff, you make a lot of noise about your logic, but you do not demonstrate much logical ability on this issue.

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  95. axeman (252 comments) says:

    A summary of just a few the 1100+ peer reviewed sceptical climate science papers listed at http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html?m=1 including how/why they are in agreement as to the so-called “settled” climate science.

    Lindzen and Choi in, “On the Observational Determination of Climate Sensitivity and Its Implications” (Asia-Pacific Journal of Atmospheric Sciences, Volume 47, Number 4, pp. 377-390, August 2011) conclude “the models are exaggerating climate sensitivity”.

    Fred Singer in, “Lack of Consistency Between Modeled and Observed Temperature Trends” (Energy & Environment, Volume 22, Number 4, pp. 375-406, June 2011) concludes that the models have failed in that their predictions do not accord with observed temperatures and also that this failure means that the theory of AGW is not supported by evidence.

    Large and Yeager in, “On the Observed Trends and Changes in Global Sea Surface Temperature and Air-Sea Heat Fluxes” (1984-2006) (Journal of Climate, 2012) conclude that “natural variability, rather than long-term climate change, dominates the SST and heat flux changes over” the period from 1984-2006.

    Kramm and Dlugi in, “Scrutinizing the atmospheric greenhouse effect and its climatic impact” (Natural Science, Volume 3, Number 12, pp. 971-998, December 2011) conclude that “atmospheric greenhouse effect and especially its climatic impact are based on meritless conjectures” (Particularly like the last two words).

    Zhaoa in, “Is Global Warming Mainly Due to Anthropogenic Greenhouse Gas Emissions?” (Energy Sources, Volume 33, Issue 21, pp. 1985-1992, August 2011) concludes that “we find little evidence in support of the notion that recent global warming is mainly due to CO2 emissions”.

    Paterson in, “Global Warming: A Critique of the Anthropogenic Model and its Consequences” (Geoscience Canada, Volume 38, Number 1, pp. 41-48, March 2011) concludes that “contrary arguments by a growing body of scientists are generally supported by better empirical data than those that favour the ‘anthropogenic warming’ hypothesis” and “the global warming models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and others have in some cases been shown to be incorrect and contrary to current temperature statistics. For these and other reasons, the CO2-driven, anthropogenic warming hypothesis is regarded by many as suspect and lacking in empirical evidence”.

    Meyssignac, Salas y Melia, Becker, Llovel and Cazenave in “Tropical Pacific spatial trend patterns in observed sea level: internal variability and/or anthropogenic signature?” (Climate of the Past Discussions, Volume 8, Issue 1, pp.349-389, January 2012) conclude that “sea level trend fluctuations are dominated by the internal variability of the ocean–atmosphere coupled system” and “any influence of anthropogenic forcing is still hardly detectable”.

    Huston and Dean in “Sea-Level Acceleration Based on U.S. Tide Gauges and Extensions of Previous Global-Gauge Analyses” (Journal of Coastal Research, Volume 27, Issue 4, pp. 788–790, July 2011) ran sea level measurements for acceleration (given acceleration is such an important part of the dangerous sea level forecasts (current sea level trends would only produce a rise of 150mm over 100 years) and obtained not accelerations but rather “small sea-level decelerations”.

    Nils-Axel Mörner in “Sea Level Changes and Tsunamis, Environmental Stress and Migration Overseas. The Case of the Maldives and Sri Lanka” (Internationales Asienforum, Volume 38, Number 3-4, pp. 353–374, November 2007) found that, “The predominant view of a rapid rise in sea level seems no longer tenable, and no signs of any ongoing sea level rise were found in the Maldives”.

    Callaghan and Power in “Variability and decline in the number of severe tropical cyclones making land-fall over eastern Australia since the late nineteenth century” (Climate Dynamics, Volume 37, Numbers 3-4, pp. 647-662, August 2011) found that, rather than increase, as the alarmists would have us believe, the number of tropical cyclones (TCs) on the east cost of Aust has very significantly decreased over the past 100 yrs, e.g. “The linear trend in the number of severe TCs making land-fall over eastern Australia declined from about 0.45 TCs/year in the early 1870s to about 0.17 TCs/year in recent times—a 62% decline. The extent to which global warming might be also be partially responsible for the decline in land-falls—if it is at all—is unknown”.

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  96. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Here is a classic load of shite pulled from WUWT
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/06/soon-and-briggs-global-warming-fanatics-take-note-sunspots-do-impact-climate/
    Consider the accompanying chart. It shows some rather surprising relationships between solar radiation and daytime high temperatures
    WELL I NEVER WHEN ITS SUNNY ITS HOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY
    There is no link to data about sunspots cycles or any to science.

    The story in WUWT only links to a opinion piece in the http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/6/global-warming-fanatics-take-note/

    The sun spots is another cycle like the soi if you average it out it its warming, if you look at it when its high its warming, if you look at it when its inactive its still warming, I have linked to one study of many that examines this effect and shows why it does not change the facts of global warming twice today and at least five times this week
    Its not science its misdirection for idiots who can not think
    No where is there a link directly to the format old willie goon said this in.

    as below it is not science it rubbish or spin

    axenuckle Link your source Why should I have to troll though the web to check your story its any thing you like but its not real unless it can be verified by a link. I recognize your creme of the crop wingnuts many common denial names. I Know that most of your links are not even published science just opinion or letters to journals.
    If I find one that bullshit will you evaporate?

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  97. Manolo (14,153 comments) says:

    You can choose your friends, but not your family: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9838625/Barack-Obamas-uncle-to-face-deportation-hearing.html

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  98. Kea (13,523 comments) says:

    Manolo, I loved this bit.

    “When he was arrested a spokesman for the president said he was not aware he was in the US illegally and would not intervene on his behalf.”

    “Not aware”, Yeah right !

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