General Debate 8 January 2013

January 8th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    ” Ta daa “…

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  2. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Parasites…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/8150208/Queens-castle-is-their-house

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  3. Manolo (14,161 comments) says:

    Some politicians should go swimming: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington-central/8152780/Shark-makes-a-scene-at-Oriental-Bay

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  4. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    dont you mean all Manolo..

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  5. Manolo (14,161 comments) says:

    Where is hopeless and incompetent Parata? http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/8152750/13-000-incorrectly-paid-by-Novopay

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  6. hmmokrightitis (1,596 comments) says:

    Saw that Manolo. The thing that jumped at me the most was Hipkins – “”Perhaps when he returns from his holiday in Hawaii [Prime Minister] John Key…”

    WTF is it with labour that they HAVE to play the jealousy card every single time? Why the hell can we not, as a nation, celebrate success without fear of left politicians using that success to sell their story?

    Get over yourself Hipkins you small minded twat. Is it any wonder why those of us who pay tax dont like the nasty party?

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  7. CHFR (241 comments) says:

    Funny I never noticed a Nat politican make the same crack about Helen Clark and her overseas holidays. Then again maybe it is the venue John Key picks that is the problem.

    If this is the level of political discourse we can expect from Labour this year then they should be consigned to the opposition benches for the next term, sadly I do not think this will happen this year.

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  8. Keeping Stock (9,370 comments) says:

    I wonder if Hipkins was as vitriolic when Helen Clark went cross-country skiing in Scandinavia or climbing Mt Kilimanjaro? The hypocrisy is stupefying.

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  9. seanmaitland (501 comments) says:

    This is why we have a higher unemployment rate – bloody disgusting, these people shouldn’t be getting the dole…..

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8151831/Trying-to-find-staff-a-nightmare

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  10. Keeping Stock (9,370 comments) says:

    Nice to see that Sir Paul Holmes will have his investiture sooner rather than later; kia kaha Sir Paul, and a good decision from an excellent, compassionate Governor General in Sir Jerry Mateparae. Sir Paul’s prognosis does not sound good.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/a-fast-track-investiture.html

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  11. Manolo (14,161 comments) says:

    And to contemplate the possibility of the envious prick Hipkins becoming the next minister of Education is even more depressing.

    Ardern, Horomia, Hipkins, Mallard. Do we need further prooof socialist Labour is utterly bereft of talent?

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  12. david (2,194 comments) says:

    Purely idle curiosity but it would be interesting to compile a list of 120 detailing who went where for the recess and who paid the fares. It is a certainty that a number of Labour MPs, a probability that a sprinkling of NZ First and Green Party MPs and likely that the odd Maori Party MP went offshore.

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  13. hmmokrightitis (1,596 comments) says:

    Maybe its hipkins trying to re-engage with their working class roots, you know, hamnutjob stylee, “oh, look at the evil tory, all jet planes and foreign country laaik” – all he needs is a cloth cap and a forelock to tug.

    Given how out of touch they are with any part of the voting public – other than those born and raised voting red – maybe its something we can expect to see more of. Part of me hopes so. It reeks of desperate.

    So, hipkins, what do you suggest. We all take our holidays in labour party approved work camps? Could we thusly avoid your spite?

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  14. RF (1,483 comments) says:

    Amused to read over on the Standard that they are calling Shearer.. Captain Mumblefuck. There appears to be serious concerns that the 2014 election will be a lost cause with Shearer at the helm.

    Such loyalty !!!

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  15. Weihana (4,620 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8151844/Petty-drug-users-fill-New-Zealand-jails

    The New Zealand Drug Foundation said the figures were alarming and showed the court-focused treatment of minor offenders was not working.

    But Justice Minister Judith Collins said all drug offending – no matter how minor – should be dealt with through the criminal justice system.

    Except it isn’t of course. The Police are able to issue a formal caution and if you’re white chances are you won’t come to their notice in the first instance. In reality this is a law that applies to some but not others. How many times do you hear a politician admit prior use whilst continuing to support criminal convictions for other people?

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  16. Paulus (2,707 comments) says:

    I see that Labour are calling for an enquiry into how a man evaded staff at Sky Tower.

    Why can’t they leave calling for enquiries to the Greenpeace Party – trying to outmedia them.

    I hear from Australia relative to the devastating and continuing bushfires that the Green Party are coming under heavy pressure as a responsible party, as they have put into effect legislation whereby people are not allowed to clear scrub around their properties, as this would destroy the ecosystem.
    But the media will not take it up as they are also enamoured by Greenpeace.
    Legal action might as it is being considered already.

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  17. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    That would be mr I toked on pot dunne
    He should go to jail for his acknowledge dope smoking the blatant hypocrite

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  18. kowtow (8,927 comments) says:

    Paulus

    The point you raise about clearing scrub is important. 2009 Victorian fires. One guy cleared 200 metres around his new house, he was hammered for it but it survived.
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/fined-for-illegal-clearing-family-now-feel-vindicated-20090212-85bd.html

    Have they come up with anything sensible over there after the Royal Commission or are the eco terrorists still holding all to ransom.

    I believe there’s the same problem in the US where they used to have controlled burns in forests to reduce risk and amount of fuel but that too was stopped cos of so callled environmentalism.

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  19. skyblue (215 comments) says:

    Looks like Paul Holmes may be near death. He will receive his Knighthood early in a special ceremony at his home in the Hawkes Bay.

    ‘An urgent knighthood ceremony has been arranged for Sir Paul Holmes next week because of concerns about his health.

    The veteran broadcaster, journalist and author will be given a rare early investiture on January 16 after a request from his family and friends, who are worried about his deteriorating health.

    The Governor-General, Lieutenant General Sir Jerry Mateparae, agreed to the request and will travel to Hawkes Bay for the ceremony.’

    Link: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10857846

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  20. Dave Mann (1,240 comments) says:

    @skyblue…. yes, I was just about to comment on that too, but you got there before me.

    Whether one loves his style or hates it, Paul Holmes has been a huge voice and presence in New Zealand for many years. He is a ‘kiwi icon’ and I am saddened by this news. It doesn’t look good :(

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  21. Fletch (6,516 comments) says:

    I actually wondered what state Paul’s health was in when I read he had got the knighthood.
    At the time it felt to me like they’d given it to him now before….
    It felt like when Good Morning organized that Birthday show/special for Howard Morrison before he died and before we knew he was sick.

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  22. backster (2,194 comments) says:

    MANOLO………….You forgot to contemplate Nanaia (Labour shadow Education Minister)

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  23. wreck1080 (3,999 comments) says:

    Sad to hear about Paul Holmes state of health.

    It sounds like he may have multiple health issues that may have been more treatable on their own but not so easy when combined.

    Reminds you to treaure your own life as you never know how quickly health can change.

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  24. Dave Stringer (190 comments) says:

    Perhaps when he returns from his holiday in Hawaii [Prime Minister] John Key…

    Him having a place there is nearly as bad as that well known capitalist Helun Clark having one in London. Eh!

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  25. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    80 per cent of Americans think global warming is serious problem for U.S.

    A recent poll found 4 out of every 5 Americans said climate change will be a serious problem for the United States if nothing is done about it
    That’s up from 73 per cent when the same question was asked in 2009
    Even most people who say they don’t trust scientists on the environment say temperatures are rising

    More than half of Americans say the U.S. government should do a great deal or quite a bit about the problem

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248468/A-growing-number-global-warming-sceptics-Americans-say-global-warming-real-threat.html#ixzz2HKmLxGSY

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  26. SPC (5,664 comments) says:

    Concerns changes to the COF regime could affect road safety

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/business/job-market/8152872/Rules-could-cost-2000-jobs-and-independence

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  27. Manolo (14,161 comments) says:

    What to do with an animal like him? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10857903
    Colonialism could take the blame, but a bullet would suffice.

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  28. SPC (5,664 comments) says:

    Conservative religious scholars in Saudi Arabia are resisting moves to establish a minimum age for marriage, saying the only condition should be reaching the age of puberty.

    (just about put in a minimum wage for marriage – see the story about the 15 year old doing a runner after her parents collected the dowry)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20936800

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  29. Manolo (14,161 comments) says:

    But even the Prophet himself would object to a minimum age. The paedophile Muhammad liked his brides young, very young.

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  30. bc (1,384 comments) says:

    The Novopay shambles goes on and on and on. And it is not getting any better, in fact it seems to be getting worse.
    Chris Hipkins is quite right right to point all this out. It is exactly what the opposition should be doing.
    Interesting that the posters here choose to ignore the issue but instead attack the messenger.
    The irony seems to totally ecape them that what they criticise Hipkins for they are doing exactly the same thing themselves. Even going as far to call Labour party the “nasty party” (which is fine if that is what they believe) except that they then follow it up with ongoing posts of abuse towards Hipkins.

    Meanwhile, the Novopay shambles continues on into 2013 and Hekia is still nowhere to be seen.
    WHERE THE HECK IS HEKIA??!!

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  31. bc (1,384 comments) says:

    Mind you I kind of understand the nastiness towards Hipkins.
    He showed up Parata’s shortcomings last year and he has hit the ground running this year.

    Can’t make Hekia any better (hide her away instead), ignore the issue and attack the messager. Hope it all settles down.

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  32. SPC (5,664 comments) says:

    My pick is Smith will be moved into Education when he returns, others suggest they move Ryall there and put Smith into Health.

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  33. Manolo (14,161 comments) says:

    You raised a valid point, bc. Parata has proven herself not up to the task.
    Blunder after blunder, and now her disappearing act. Why hasn’t Key sacked her already?

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  34. SPC (5,664 comments) says:

    Manolo, his first wife was somewhat older and once she died anyone still a virgin was a bit younger than he was.

    And the taking of brides is sometimes a matter of alliance building – such as when Richard 11 married a 6 year old French princess. Not a great example of successful alliance building though, because the widower King had no heirs, nor was likely to have any for years. He got deposed and killed by the Lancastrian, who married his own son to the French princess’ younger sister.

    Our own age for marriage was rather low back in the 1920’s.

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  35. bc (1,384 comments) says:

    That would probably be the sensible thing to do SPC.
    But that would be an admission by John Key that he made a mistake with Parata and a ‘victory’ of sorts to the opposition.

    Which way will he go I wonder. Will be interesting.

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  36. krazykiwi (8,040 comments) says:

    Why hasn’t Key sacked her already?

    Gender and race?

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  37. bc (1,384 comments) says:

    You mean to say she got the portfolio because she ticked two of the minority boxes, krazy?

    Surely not!!

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  38. chiz (1,171 comments) says:

    Close Up’s replacement has been revealed. It’s called Seven Sharp, and its hosts will be Greg Boyed, Ali Mau and Jesse Mulligan (from TV3’s 7 days).

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  39. Viking2 (11,661 comments) says:

    God help any Dept. that gets the zealot Smith as its Minister. Everyone so far has turned into a disaster. Time he was sent to Bangladesh for a long sojourn.
    Green socialist. Certainly not a freedom fighter.

    anyway its time he quit being in the big trough. He’s had his disasters and he should do the decent thing. Fuck off a let us pay his pension for the next 40 years.

    National need some knew people up front. Smith ain’t one.

    Parata has made some stuff ups. Remember she takes advice from the Ministry and then fires the bullets. Considering you are dealing with teachers I’d reckon they made bullets for her. Pity they now have someone else at the top that may not allow that shit.
    Better still get rid of the whole ministry. It just fucks up education without taking any responsibility for what it does.

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  40. shoreboy57 (141 comments) says:

    Stuff reporting Len Brown one of world’s top-10 mayors. Seriously. Wonder how much time and energy spent by Auckland City staffers to get that one up

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  41. Longknives (4,949 comments) says:

    Hilton Hone Heke
    What a disgusting piece of Human Excrement.

    Try blaming this one on ‘Evil Colonialism’ Mr Sharples…..

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  42. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Hilton Hone Heke needs to be put down Longknives…it has no redeeming features . It is an evil creature and should be hung by the neck until it is dead.

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  43. CHFR (241 comments) says:

    As Whale would say poor Hilton had no chance SFNS strikes again.

    Seriously though a bullet is perfect for such a low life. Just as there are rogue animals that need to be put down there are rogues in the human animal and they need the same treatment.

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  44. Viking2 (11,661 comments) says:

    Brown one of world’s best mayors

    After two years at the helm of New Zealand’s super-city, Auckland’s Len Brown has been named one of the world’s top ten mayors.

    According to the international 2012 World Mayor Project, Brown is the seventh best city leader on the globe, behind mayors from Australia, Indonesia and South Korea.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8154681/Brown-one-of-worlds-best-mayors

    Now that is gauranteed to produce lots of posts.

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  45. calendar girl (1,256 comments) says:

    bc @ 1:31 – I’ve read patiently through your four partisan pro-Labour contributions today, but the following from you is just too much to ignore:

    “Chris Hipkins is quite right right to point all this out. It is exactly what the opposition should be doing.
    Interesting that the posters here choose to ignore the issue but instead attack the messenger.”

    That is just plain wrong. Nobody here has put up any spirited defence of Parata / Foss’s performance over the hopeless Novopay debarcle. Indeed, your own comments on the subject have received a measure of support. But a number of posters on this thread have also questioned Chris Hipkins’ little side quip about Key’s absence on holiday. To do that is not to “attack the messenger”, as you have claimed a couple of times. Instead, it is a rebuff to Hipkins’ snide personal comment about the PM, in which Hipkins no doubt alludes (with customary levels of socialist envy) to the PM’s holiday pad in Hawaii. I expect that Hipkins’ purpose is to invite the public to view the PM as an irresponsible “rich prick” for holidaying with his family in his and their own property.

    In other words, it’s a bit of guttter politics on the side by Hipkins, to which readers have reacted. That’s not attacking the messenger. You too should be prepared to question Hipkins on that insidious kind of comment.

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  46. Manolo (14,161 comments) says:

    New Zealand does not deserve the Green fifth-columnist Nick Smith as a minister again.
    Is the Labour lite pool talent that shallow??

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  47. Steve (North Shore) (4,536 comments) says:

    Hiplins having a go at John Key holidaying in Hawai?

    Derien Fenton is in San Francisco, what say you now Red Hair Man?

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  48. nasska (12,076 comments) says:

    Before laptops….

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/e7ctqzxd6icmcro/Early_Mobile_Device.jpg

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  49. iMP (2,453 comments) says:

    AT LAST. Pirate Cptn and Whale Chaser Paul Watson has been harpooned and the notorious SS (Sea Shepherds) are to get some new leadership.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/watson-harpooned-by-ss/

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  50. cha (4,131 comments) says:

    Attention whore’s gotta whore.

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  51. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    Now that is gauranteed to produce lots of posts.

    No. If his name had been Len Bain you might have been right.

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  52. nasska (12,076 comments) says:

    An unemployed guy walks onto a building site in the hope of getting work.

    The foreman says,”it must be your lucky day today. Old Billy the crane operator is retiring on Friday, you can have his job. Just climb the 300 foot ladder, bang on the side widow and tell Billy I’ve sent you up to be trained.”

    The unemployed guy climbs the 300 foot ladder, bangs on the side window and explains to old Billy what the foreman had told him.

    Old Billy gestures to the unemployed guy to squeeze into his cab next to him and then shows him that after he gets the crane started, he has 3 levers in front of him. “Pull this one on the left,” says old Billy, “and it moves the crane to the left, push it back and it centralizes it.” Likewise,” says old Billy, “with the lever on the right hand side.”

    “The lever in the middle, operates your boom and jib, depending on where you need to put your load down,” says old Billy.

    “O.K got that,” says the unemployed guy, “but what happens when you need to take a piss?”

    Old Billy says, “I’m just about ready to show you that as I do need a piss. All you do is carefully walk out on the arm of the crane and piss over the side, by the time it hits the ground it’s evaporated. Just sit there and don’t touch anything,”says old Billy.

    So old Billy eases out onto the arm of the crane when the unemployed guy accidentally moves one of the levers and old Billy falls off the crane.

    At the coroners inquest the coroner asks,”can anybody shed any light on the unfortunate death of old Billy?”

    One of the chippies stands up and says, “I think old Billy was a sex maniac. I was framing up on the second storey when I looked over the side and saw 3 gorgeous blondes walking through the site, and as I looked up I saw old Billy coming down, cock in his hand yelling FUCK!”

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  53. calendar girl (1,256 comments) says:

    Manalo @ 5:33.
    +1

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  54. Redbaiter (10,354 comments) says:

    Narsekissa makes a lot of jokes about Christians. Here’s a few about Narsekissa:

    Early in his career, Narsekissa worked in a warehouse to help make ends meet. The warehouse was owned by a chinese man. The owner called the upper floor “above” and the lower floor “below”. With his strong work ethic Narsekissa soon made foreman in charge of assigning jobs. Reflecting in his later years he said he didn’t hand out many above jobs, but he sure liked giving below jobs.

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  55. Redbaiter (10,354 comments) says:

    Narsekissa’s will has a special clause in it specifying that at his funeral he should be placed face down in his casket so his friends will recognize him.

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  56. Redbaiter (10,354 comments) says:

    Narsekissa thinks aids made its way into America up the Hudson.

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  57. mikenmild (12,295 comments) says:

    And we find that humour is another thing that Reddy fails at.

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  58. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    redbaiter you are the joke
    hows the almost not quite fifty likes going pushing it closer to the whole fifty yet?
    is it true that you are actually phillu’s alter ego?

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  59. Viking2 (11,661 comments) says:

    The founder and president of hardline conservationists Sea Shepherd, Paul Watson, is stepping down from the leadership after a ruling from a United States court over a Japanese restraining order.

    Former Australian Greens leader Bob Brown is to take over running Sea Shepherd’s imminent Antarctic anti-whaling campaign.

    Watson, 62, who is wanted by Japan under an Interpol “red notice”, remains at sea aboard the group’s flagship, Steve Irwin.

    The Steve Irwin docked at Timaru on Saturday to take on fuel, but Watson switched to another vessel before his ship arrived in port.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/8154923/Sea-Shepherd-founder-steps-down

    Direction of the group’s campaign to halt the Japanese whaling fleet will shift to Brown and Sea Shepherd’s Australian manager, Jeff Hansen.

    Brown, who resigned from the Greens leadership last year, said he would be taking advice from Watson, but rejected any suggestion that the switch was a token move.

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  60. nasska (12,076 comments) says:

    You’re losing the passion Reddy….a little more choke and it would have started. :)

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  61. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Almost tempted to post this in the morning
    kill another days GD :lol:

    just a little cut and paste http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20937509

    catastrophic
    Record heat

    The fires and warnings follow days of searing heat. In a statement, Australia’s Bureau of Meteorology revealed that for each of the first six days of 2013, the “national area-average” temperature had been in the top 20 hottest days on record.
    It was also the first time that average national top temperatures over 39C had been recorded on five consecutive days, the bureau said Prime Minister Julia Gillard said residents had to stay alert.”The word catastrophic is being used for good reason,” she said. “So it is very important that people keep themselves safe, that they listen to local authorities and local warnings.
    “This is a very dangerous day.”

    :lol:

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  62. Truthiz (185 comments) says:

    Sea Shepherd rulz …. Go the Pirates

    Killing a whale should be like, killing a brother …. a much older brother …..

    WHALES ………………….. ROCK ..

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  63. Truthiz (185 comments) says:

    Thinking of you all in Tassie and alll over the rest of the island …

    Stay safe …

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  64. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    And before some one takes offense at me laughing at the misfortune of a few
    We are talking about messing with the climate of this rock
    if we get it wrong there is nowhere else to go
    Climate denial is playing with our future for ideological or financial reasons the only thing that the proponent of such rubbish deserve is laughter for they are extremely stupid sheep by anyone’s measure.

    http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12782&page=1
    The National Academy of Science
    Science has made enormous inroads in understanding climate change and its causes, and is beginning to help develop a strong understanding of current and potential impacts that will affect people today and in coming decades. This understanding is crucial because it allows decision makers to place climate change in the context of other large challenges facing the nation and the world. There are still some uncertainties, and there always will be in understanding a complex system like Earth’s climate. Nevertheless, there is a strong, credible body of evidence, based on multiple lines of research, documenting that climate is changing and that these changes are in large part caused by human activities. While much remains to be learned, the core phenomenon, scientific questions, and hypotheses have been examined thoroughly and have stood firm in the face of serious scientific debate and careful evaluation of alternative explanations.

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