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		<title>By: itstricky</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/herald_on_ppta_ads.html/comment-page-1#comment-1081713</link>
		<dc:creator>itstricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Parents not sending their kids to that school. The whole point of these schools is choice.&lt;/i&gt;

Think I agree with choice based on percieved quality of education etc but not choice based on &quot;our random idea of how the world should be&quot; - that&#039;s just detracting teaching time from the real, core, subjects (as defined by the Ministry etc in set curriculum)

Why should the teaching of non-core subjects (or beliefs) be funded from the public purse?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Parents not sending their kids to that school. The whole point of these schools is choice.</i></p>
<p>Think I agree with choice based on percieved quality of education etc but not choice based on &#8220;our random idea of how the world should be&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s just detracting teaching time from the real, core, subjects (as defined by the Ministry etc in set curriculum)</p>
<p>Why should the teaching of non-core subjects (or beliefs) be funded from the public purse?</p>
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		<title>By: gazzmaniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>gazzmaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 07:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;If a business, non-profit, or religious group can run a charter school and there’s little control over the content, unregistered/untrained teachers or accountability to the Ministry what’s to stop them preaching their view of the world? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Parents not sending their kids to that school.  The whole point of these schools is choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If a business, non-profit, or religious group can run a charter school and there’s little control over the content, unregistered/untrained teachers or accountability to the Ministry what’s to stop them preaching their view of the world? </p></blockquote>
<p>Parents not sending their kids to that school.  The whole point of these schools is choice.</p>
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		<title>By: itstricky</title>
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		<dc:creator>itstricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 06:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The PPTA is just drumming up interest.   And they&#039;ve done that, because I&#039;m now thinking about it.

For all the pandering around about how successful charter schools will be etc, I would listen to what the teachers think - I mean they got into the business for one reason (and that reason wasn&#039;t the money) right?  But sure - the PPTA as a whole organisation might have a completely different agenda.

I&#039;m not opposed to greater choice for parents.  I do think sometimes parents could do with -less- choice as it&#039;s hard enough as it is.

I don&#039;t understand two aspects of charter schools:


(a) If a business can run a charter school and not be accountable to the Ministry or other mentioned groups what&#039;s to stop the charter school from becoming modus operandi?  i.e. &quot;sorry Johnny, you&#039;re not making the grade, we&#039;ve got to let you go buddy, we&#039;ll find someone else who can spell&quot;.  Works in the coroporate world well, but it&#039;s not really the best for the kids, is it?  Seriously - businesses exist for one reason only - so, do kids = profit?  Probably not the way we should be looking at it, I would think?

(b) If a business, non-profit, or religious group can run a charter school and there&#039;s little control over the content, unregistered/untrained teachers or accountability to the Ministry what&#039;s to stop them preaching their view of the world?  And why should the general public pay out of the public purse for the views of that business, non-profit or religious group to be seeded in youth?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PPTA is just drumming up interest.   And they&#8217;ve done that, because I&#8217;m now thinking about it.</p>
<p>For all the pandering around about how successful charter schools will be etc, I would listen to what the teachers think &#8211; I mean they got into the business for one reason (and that reason wasn&#8217;t the money) right?  But sure &#8211; the PPTA as a whole organisation might have a completely different agenda.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not opposed to greater choice for parents.  I do think sometimes parents could do with -less- choice as it&#8217;s hard enough as it is.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand two aspects of charter schools:</p>
<p>(a) If a business can run a charter school and not be accountable to the Ministry or other mentioned groups what&#8217;s to stop the charter school from becoming modus operandi?  i.e. &#8220;sorry Johnny, you&#8217;re not making the grade, we&#8217;ve got to let you go buddy, we&#8217;ll find someone else who can spell&#8221;.  Works in the coroporate world well, but it&#8217;s not really the best for the kids, is it?  Seriously &#8211; businesses exist for one reason only &#8211; so, do kids = profit?  Probably not the way we should be looking at it, I would think?</p>
<p>(b) If a business, non-profit, or religious group can run a charter school and there&#8217;s little control over the content, unregistered/untrained teachers or accountability to the Ministry what&#8217;s to stop them preaching their view of the world?  And why should the general public pay out of the public purse for the views of that business, non-profit or religious group to be seeded in youth?</p>
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		<title>By: kiwigunner</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/herald_on_ppta_ads.html/comment-page-1#comment-1081568</link>
		<dc:creator>kiwigunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 05:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where is the post about Parata?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is the post about Parata?</p>
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		<title>By: kiwigunner</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/herald_on_ppta_ads.html/comment-page-1#comment-1081567</link>
		<dc:creator>kiwigunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 04:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like where Thor?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like where Thor?</p>
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		<title>By: thor42</title>
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		<dc:creator>thor42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 03:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No matter what the dinosaur-like patch-protecting teacher unions may say - 
**One size does not fit all** when it comes to education. 

Charter schools can be a very valuable part of the education system in this country (as they are in so many others).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter what the dinosaur-like patch-protecting teacher unions may say &#8211;<br />
**One size does not fit all** when it comes to education. </p>
<p>Charter schools can be a very valuable part of the education system in this country (as they are in so many others).</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ssssshhhhhhh Nick K, we wouldn&#039;t like the MSM to get the idea that they should provide balance.  In fact during the holiday period one editor was clearly overheard to say &quot;we don&#039;t do balanced reporting, we prefer to be all over the place and keep everyone guessing.  It is just so much fun trying to shape the political landscape in this piss-ant little country that used to pride itself on fairness and democracy - not much further to go, we are nearly there&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ssssshhhhhhh Nick K, we wouldn&#8217;t like the MSM to get the idea that they should provide balance.  In fact during the holiday period one editor was clearly overheard to say &#8220;we don&#8217;t do balanced reporting, we prefer to be all over the place and keep everyone guessing.  It is just so much fun trying to shape the political landscape in this piss-ant little country that used to pride itself on fairness and democracy &#8211; not much further to go, we are nearly there&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 00:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NZ Last MP Tracey Martin was so outraged by this she issued a press release: http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/education-system-under-attack-while-nation-holidays-martin/5/145140

In it she said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Education spokesperson Tracey Martin says all those directly involved in education are on summer break - apart from those fixing the Novopay stuff ups - during the entire submission period.

&quot;We must not let this Government destroy our education system while we are all at the beach,&quot; says Ms Martin.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

She forgot to add that &lt;b&gt;she voted for this timeframe while sitting on the Select Committee&lt;/b&gt;!!  I know she did.  I have checked.

She is outraged at herself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NZ Last MP Tracey Martin was so outraged by this she issued a press release: <a href="http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/education-system-under-attack-while-nation-holidays-martin/5/145140" rel="nofollow">http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/education-system-under-attack-while-nation-holidays-martin/5/145140</a></p>
<p>In it she said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Education spokesperson Tracey Martin says all those directly involved in education are on summer break &#8211; apart from those fixing the Novopay stuff ups &#8211; during the entire submission period.</p>
<p>&#8220;We must not let this Government destroy our education system while we are all at the beach,&#8221; says Ms Martin.</p></blockquote>
<p>She forgot to add that <b>she voted for this timeframe while sitting on the Select Committee</b>!!  I know she did.  I have checked.</p>
<p>She is outraged at herself.</p>
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		<title>By: scrubone</title>
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		<dc:creator>scrubone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 00:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the screaming emitting from the teachers&#039; unions works for some people. It doesn&#039;t work for me. All I see is people trying to character assassinate the education minister.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the screaming emitting from the teachers&#8217; unions works for some people. It doesn&#8217;t work for me. All I see is people trying to character assassinate the education minister.</p>
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		<title>By: krazykiwi</title>
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		<dc:creator>krazykiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Manolo, the paper-edition of today&#039;s Herald carried a photo of Parata standing, and beaming from ear-to-ear... while the onlookers scowled in her general direction. It was quite telling. Can find this image online.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manolo, the paper-edition of today&#8217;s Herald carried a photo of Parata standing, and beaming from ear-to-ear&#8230; while the onlookers scowled in her general direction. It was quite telling. Can find this image online.</p>
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		<title>By: Manolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We don&#039;t need to be concerned in the slightest: Hekia Parata is a &quot;great communicator&quot; (JK&#039;s words) and will defeat and break the back of this socialist union.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t need to be concerned in the slightest: Hekia Parata is a &#8220;great communicator&#8221; (JK&#8217;s words) and will defeat and break the back of this socialist union.</p>
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