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		<title>By: Tauhei Notts</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/horan_goes_to_court.html/comment-page-1#comment-1073193</link>
		<dc:creator>Tauhei Notts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 07:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr Farrar,
This is not a male dominated society.
It may be a good idea to have an independent executor or executrix.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Farrar,<br />
This is not a male dominated society.<br />
It may be a good idea to have an independent executor or executrix.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/horan_goes_to_court.html/comment-page-1#comment-1073121</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 05:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;he says his political career is &quot;in tatters&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This implies he was held in some regard prior to the emergence of the allegations, and had won office on his own merits. He&#039;s gone from unmemorable lobby fodderassociated with Winston to unmemorable lobby fodder not associated with Winston. Some might even be so unkind as to view this as an improvement in his overall position.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>he says his political career is &#8220;in tatters&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This implies he was held in some regard prior to the emergence of the allegations, and had won office on his own merits. He&#8217;s gone from unmemorable lobby fodderassociated with Winston to unmemorable lobby fodder not associated with Winston. Some might even be so unkind as to view this as an improvement in his overall position.</p>
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		<title>By: pq</title>
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		<dc:creator>pq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 05:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I imagine most people think that Horan used his mother&#039;s money to satisfy his gambling addiction.
Some points to Winston here. He made a decisive decision. Horan dead now]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine most people think that Horan used his mother&#8217;s money to satisfy his gambling addiction.<br />
Some points to Winston here. He made a decisive decision. Horan dead now</p>
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		<title>By: Bullitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bullitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 05:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my experience if he want&#039;s someone competent anybody would be a better executor than public trust.  They can&#039;t even handle simple estates let alone ones with issues like this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience if he want&#8217;s someone competent anybody would be a better executor than public trust.  They can&#8217;t even handle simple estates let alone ones with issues like this.</p>
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		<title>By: peterwn</title>
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		<dc:creator>peterwn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 04:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If he thinks he will get a fairer &#039;hearing&#039; from a professional trustee like the Public Trust, he could be in for a rude shock. I knew a NZGT trust officer (now deceased) and he was very particular with everything he did. He seemed even more meticulous than a typical solicitor or bank officer. 

Interestingly it seemed that Winston &#039;did not listen&#039; to Brendan either and Winston with his legal background would be well aware of the obligations of a person in Brendan&#039;s position.

There was a case where beneficiaries wanted to remove an executor (a professional trust company) several years ago. Three beneficiaries were at loggerheads with a fourth (all siblings), and the three thought the executor should abide by the wishes of the majority - they were wrong - the executor&#039;s job is to abide by the will, although an executor would generally support the wishes where all beneficiaries are singing from the same hymn book (eg disposal of the family home). It is also the executor&#039;s duty to gather up the whole estate prior to probate (this is essential in countries where estate duties are payable) and I suspect in this case it is this act which is getting up Brendan&#039;s nose.  IMO he will not get a sympathetic hearing from the Associate Judge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he thinks he will get a fairer &#8216;hearing&#8217; from a professional trustee like the Public Trust, he could be in for a rude shock. I knew a NZGT trust officer (now deceased) and he was very particular with everything he did. He seemed even more meticulous than a typical solicitor or bank officer. </p>
<p>Interestingly it seemed that Winston &#8216;did not listen&#8217; to Brendan either and Winston with his legal background would be well aware of the obligations of a person in Brendan&#8217;s position.</p>
<p>There was a case where beneficiaries wanted to remove an executor (a professional trust company) several years ago. Three beneficiaries were at loggerheads with a fourth (all siblings), and the three thought the executor should abide by the wishes of the majority &#8211; they were wrong &#8211; the executor&#8217;s job is to abide by the will, although an executor would generally support the wishes where all beneficiaries are singing from the same hymn book (eg disposal of the family home). It is also the executor&#8217;s duty to gather up the whole estate prior to probate (this is essential in countries where estate duties are payable) and I suspect in this case it is this act which is getting up Brendan&#8217;s nose.  IMO he will not get a sympathetic hearing from the Associate Judge.</p>
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		<title>By: Colville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 03:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is Horan spendine the $10K to get filed in court so he can fudge and delay and keep 2 more years of $150k/yr salary?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Horan spendine the $10K to get filed in court so he can fudge and delay and keep 2 more years of $150k/yr salary?</p>
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		<title>By: lofty</title>
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		<dc:creator>lofty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 02:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Alex,
On that premise I am struggling to see what Horan is hoping to achieve other than a delaying tactic to buy time, in the fashion of, if this goes on long enough I may well gain a sympathetic following, maybe even get a benefactor to assist with costs etc...a bit like Bain.
Just thinking that&#039;s all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Alex,<br />
On that premise I am struggling to see what Horan is hoping to achieve other than a delaying tactic to buy time, in the fashion of, if this goes on long enough I may well gain a sympathetic following, maybe even get a benefactor to assist with costs etc&#8230;a bit like Bain.<br />
Just thinking that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: alex Masterley</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex Masterley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 00:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lofty,

Not easy at all.  

Unless the executor renounces probate, an application to the High Court, under the Administration Act 1969, is required.  Under that act the court has the power to remove or discharge an executor and appoint another in his or her place if;

the executor is absent from NZ for 12 months,
the desires to be discharged from the office of executor,
the executor becomes incapable of acting,
it becomes expedient to do so.

The jurisdiction can be invoked if the court is satisifed that the continuance of a trustee would prevent the trust of the will from being properly executed.

as noted above this requires application to the court and the court after hearing the evidence must be satisfied that the exisitng trustee and executor will not undertake his duties properly.  this will take time and money to achieve.  $10k + GSt (at least) and filing fees of about $1300.00 would be my estimate just to get the ball rolling.

if the executor is playing everything with a straight bat then  i cannot see the application succeeding.  Unless of course he feels that he has been handed a poisoned challis and agrees to the appointment of the PT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lofty,</p>
<p>Not easy at all.  </p>
<p>Unless the executor renounces probate, an application to the High Court, under the Administration Act 1969, is required.  Under that act the court has the power to remove or discharge an executor and appoint another in his or her place if;</p>
<p>the executor is absent from NZ for 12 months,<br />
the desires to be discharged from the office of executor,<br />
the executor becomes incapable of acting,<br />
it becomes expedient to do so.</p>
<p>The jurisdiction can be invoked if the court is satisifed that the continuance of a trustee would prevent the trust of the will from being properly executed.</p>
<p>as noted above this requires application to the court and the court after hearing the evidence must be satisfied that the exisitng trustee and executor will not undertake his duties properly.  this will take time and money to achieve.  $10k + GSt (at least) and filing fees of about $1300.00 would be my estimate just to get the ball rolling.</p>
<p>if the executor is playing everything with a straight bat then  i cannot see the application succeeding.  Unless of course he feels that he has been handed a poisoned challis and agrees to the appointment of the PT.</p>
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		<title>By: lofty</title>
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		<dc:creator>lofty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 22:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alex, how easy is it to remove an executor?

Just because a beneficiary of a will doesnt like the executor, is this ground for his removal, or is Horan only using delaying tactics to try and prolong the whole process, and get the Public Service involved so that he can use some bluster to try and deflect his wrongdoing?

Although the little dealings I have seen involving the PS they were strong and strict in their dealings, and utterly fair, without fear or favour, so I struggle to see Horans advantage, if they were to take over from Buckthought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, how easy is it to remove an executor?</p>
<p>Just because a beneficiary of a will doesnt like the executor, is this ground for his removal, or is Horan only using delaying tactics to try and prolong the whole process, and get the Public Service involved so that he can use some bluster to try and deflect his wrongdoing?</p>
<p>Although the little dealings I have seen involving the PS they were strong and strict in their dealings, and utterly fair, without fear or favour, so I struggle to see Horans advantage, if they were to take over from Buckthought.</p>
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		<title>By: duggledog</title>
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		<dc:creator>duggledog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 22:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He used to give various female TVNZ newsroom staff unwelcome shoulder massages]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He used to give various female TVNZ newsroom staff unwelcome shoulder massages</p>
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		<title>By: Rodders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 22:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did Horan take legal advice from Winston?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Horan take legal advice from Winston?</p>
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		<title>By: David Farrar</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/horan_goes_to_court.html/comment-page-1#comment-1072894</link>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 22:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No he does not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No he does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Manolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 22:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But Horan will see this move as a gamble worth of the TAB.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Horan will see this move as a gamble worth of the TAB.</p>
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		<title>By: MT_Tinman</title>
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		<dc:creator>MT_Tinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 22:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As an &quot;independant&quot; does Horan qualify for a leaders salary?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an &#8220;independant&#8221; does Horan qualify for a leaders salary?</p>
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		<title>By: alex Masterley</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex Masterley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 22:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This will get messy, expensive and time consuming (unless the trustee and executor consents to the application being made).
If that happens or if opposed the application is succesful the costs of the Public Trust will chew up whatever is left of Mrs Horan&#039;s estate!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will get messy, expensive and time consuming (unless the trustee and executor consents to the application being made).<br />
If that happens or if opposed the application is succesful the costs of the Public Trust will chew up whatever is left of Mrs Horan&#8217;s estate!</p>
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