Pets in bars and cafes

January 16th, 2013 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

Rachel Young at Stuff reports:

Bar and restaurant owners may soon be able to decide whether dogs are allowed on their premises.

The Food Bill, now before Parliament, would give proprietors the right to choose whether man’s best friend was welcome or not.

The Food Hygiene Regulations 1974 say that “no animal is permitted” on premises where food is prepared or sold.

However, some Christchurch hospitality operators spoken to took a relaxed approach to the rules, welcoming dogs on to their premises as long as they did not cause trouble.

A spokesman for Primary Industries Minister David Carter said the bill, which would replace the regulations and the Food Act 1981, would require operators to take responsibility for food safety in a way that was appropriate for their businesses.

“Obviously they will need to keep unwanted animals out of their restaurants, and especially the kitchens and food-handling areas, but in many cases there will be little risk to food safety if, for example, pet dogs are allowed into outdoor dining areas.”

James Jameson, owner of the St Asaph St Kitchen and Stray Dog Bar, said business owners should make their own decisions.

Absolutely. I was unaware they were banned. I think some bars that get known as pet friendly could do very well commercially.

Good to see the law change to focus on the outcome (hygiene) and not be overly prescriptive on how it is achieved.

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26 Responses to “Pets in bars and cafes”

  1. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    I knew it… bars and cafes are going to the dogs.

    whoa, mama… the edit function is back. Can I hear you shout hallelujah?

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  2. RRM (10,099 comments) says:

    I spoke to an enormous dog when I was drinking at the Matterhorn last weekend.

    I forget what she said her name was, she was doing a BSc or something..

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  3. tvb (4,553 comments) says:

    No keep them out. I can see McDonalds have huge fights between rotties. Food being fed to these and other mongrels. The minority will make this policy change unworkable.

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  4. RRM (10,099 comments) says:

    True that tvb.

    I love a bit of KFC, but always use the drive thru as most of my fellow aficionados appear to be the absolute scum of the earth. If the scum were allowed to bring their dogs in there with them it would be even worse..

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  5. krazykiwi (8,040 comments) says:

    The Food Bill, now before Parliament

    Do they really have nothing more pressing to deal with? Y’know, like how to stop borrowing billions each month …

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  6. JWM (6 comments) says:

    The problem that arises when an issue is labelled Nanny State, as the tag on the post has categorised it, is that it stops good law making. This is because legislation has to look free from red tape rather than be able to focus on achieving the proper outcomes, i.e. hygiene and food safety. The cabinet paper said “We have a concern that the options that were reviewed and the whole paper on this bill focuses very much on improving business certainty and reducing compliance costs, with no discussion on any impact of achieving food safety.”

    I don’t have particular issue with this amendment as having dogs being allowed in outdoor dining, for example, could be a neat way to promote a business, but the hygiene objective needs to be focused on rather than childish labels.

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  7. TripeWryter (716 comments) says:

    Dogs – unless they’re for blind people – have no place in bars.

    Why do dog-owners want to foist their bloody mutts on the rest of us? Can’t they keep them at home, where they belong?

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  8. beautox (409 comments) says:

    Dogs have a long proud tradition of being in bars. Men have traditionally used the excuse “just out to walk the dog” to kill two birds with one stone.

    Fortunately you can stay at home if you don’t like it. Where you belong… (if you can assert that dogs belong at home, then I can equally well assert that you belong at home).

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  9. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    The National Party – focusing on the things that matter since 2008

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  10. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    It is UK immigrants who are pushing this in CHCH.

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  11. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    I’d rather the damned things were kept OUT of bars.
    Can you imagine the bloody nuisance that a dog sprawled on the floor would be in a packed bar, with people trying to carry jugs etc back and forth? Sounds like a recipe for chaos!

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  12. gazzmaniac (2,306 comments) says:

    I have no love for dogs whatsoever. They cause me to get bad hayfever for which I need medication to control.
    If a bar or cafe owner makes their premesis “Dog Friendly” then I just won’t go there.

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  13. tristanb (1,127 comments) says:

    Even as we speak, hipsters, douchebags and wankers take their dogs with them to cafes along Jervois and Ponsonby Roads in Auckland and let them lap water from a dog bowl. I don’t really mind this.

    And if some bar has a pet dog or cat, I don’t really care either. I don’t even care if a proportion of restaurants become “dog-friendly” and people bring their friendly family dog.

    What I’m not looking forward to, is when some aggressive violent piece of shit mongrel comes into the local Chinese takeaways with his staffy-cross bred-to-fight shitbag on a choker chain, and demands that “it’s my rights” to bring the dog into the restaurant despite the protestations of the owner, and the uncomfortable glances of the other patrons.

    Restaurants, by default, should be dog-free, and dogs should only be allowed if the place is established as a dog-friendly business.

    And then, as others have implied, there’s the question of what the hell National is doing is parliament. Perhaps they would like to tackle issues surrounding house colour, or ergonomic chairs next.

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  14. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Damn near every shop or restaurant you go into in San Francisco has a canine contingent. I was shopping on Christmas Eve at Sonoma Williams, (an American kitchen shop) and sho’ ’nuff every second customer had a handbag mutt.

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  15. Steve (North Shore) (4,536 comments) says:

    Dogs are for those who HUNT.
    Trendsetter dogs are not welcome at:
    Sunday Markets
    The beach after 9 am
    On buses (hidden in the handbag)
    On my property
    The Viaduct and Wyndam

    Tough Guy Dogs are just not welcome in NZ

    Working dogs are doing a job and should be payed, coz they do more work than some of the lazy dysfunctional tough guys do with the ridgey
    Oh yeah, pick up your dog’s shit

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  16. Alan Wilkinson (1,933 comments) says:

    We allow house-trained dogs in our holiday house and invariably find their owners considerate and excellent guests. We also regularly eat at the Whangarei Information Centre in the park where there are outdoor seats, dog bowls and exercise for our own dog on a long trip.

    Generally of course nasty people have nasty animals and people who care for their animals also care for people. But a lot of city folk have little contact with the natural world nowadays and are scared of animals – not surprising when they see a lot of dogs whose owners regard them as defensive weapons.

    It’s a sensible law change and a welcome reinstatement of common sense and property rights over bureaucratic control freaks.

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  17. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Dogs are substitute children and grandchildren..Does anyone have the facts on the diseases they carry?

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  18. Thrash Cardiom (249 comments) says:

    Dogs are walking shit machines. Personally, I think the only good dog is a working dog. All others should be taken out the back and shot.

    They mostly smell bad and if they don’t, they roll in something disgusting to ensure they do. I’d prefer not to have them allowed into bars/restaurants.

    That said, my partner owns a dog. She tries to tell me that it is mine as well but I’m having none of that. The beast is all hers.

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  19. scrubone (3,097 comments) says:

    I was suprised at the vitrol against dogs on the stuff story, that Thrash has demonstrated here.

    I agree it depends on the dog. As a broad principle, they’re best kept out but if a bar owner wants to cater for that market he can do so – he just won’t be catering for another side of the market.

    Usual deal, if you don’t like it, go elsewhere.

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  20. scrubone (3,097 comments) says:

    Dogs are substitute children and grandchildren.

    They can be good companions, but the people who actually call them their children make me question their sanity.

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  21. Paulus (2,707 comments) says:

    Years ago in England my dogs always enjoyed a drink in the Pub – nobody objected to any dogs, as long as they did not get into a scrap, then like humans they get booted out.

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  22. Chris2 (775 comments) says:

    All the complaints by posters here about dogs’ habits apply equally, if not more so, to babies and children.

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  23. Thrash Cardiom (249 comments) says:

    All the complaints by posters here about dogs’ habits apply equally, if not more so, to babies and children.

    Most babies and children grow out of it. Dogs never do.

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  24. fruitshop (45 comments) says:

    Make it mandatory for “Pets Allowed” eating places to put up a clear sign at the entrance – then let the market decide.

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  25. TripeWryter (716 comments) says:

    To Thrash at 6.14am:

    Your first two sentences: bang-on.

    Especially the bit about their being taken out the back and shot.

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  26. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I’d rather have a drink in the company of my dog, than many people who drink in bars.

    My dog doesn’t spew on them, swear at them, smell as bad as they do, abuse people, or hit them (well maybe if they’re eating a steak he may give them the ‘eye’). I’ve seen more people bite other people, than I have seen dogs bite people. My dog knows he can’t drive a car so doesn’t attempt to no matter how much he’s had to drink, doesn’t start a fight if someone calls him a mongrel, even though he’s not one, and is a hell of a lot cuter than most bar patrons.

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