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		<title>By: leftyliberal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/the_first_copyright_filesharing_decision.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088959</link>
		<dc:creator>leftyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 23:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The tribunal here was relatively fair I think - they rejected silly claims, and gave a small but not insignificant deterant.  Given the current law, this is about the best that could be expected.

Ofcourse, noone except RIANZ (and their lawyers) will get anything out of it.  It would be nice if the artists got their cut from the $6.57 at least, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tribunal here was relatively fair I think &#8211; they rejected silly claims, and gave a small but not insignificant deterant.  Given the current law, this is about the best that could be expected.</p>
<p>Ofcourse, noone except RIANZ (and their lawyers) will get anything out of it.  It would be nice if the artists got their cut from the $6.57 at least, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Viking2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/the_first_copyright_filesharing_decision.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088844</link>
		<dc:creator>Viking2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you had too much already Psycho Milt ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you had too much already Psycho Milt ?</p>
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		<title>By: Psycho Milt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/the_first_copyright_filesharing_decision.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088841</link>
		<dc:creator>Psycho Milt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How much cock would you really have to suck to become an internet blowhard?  I&#039;m picking it&#039;s actually not a large amount at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much cock would you really have to suck to become an internet blowhard?  I&#8217;m picking it&#8217;s actually not a large amount at all.</p>
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		<title>By: RRM</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/the_first_copyright_filesharing_decision.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088829</link>
		<dc:creator>RRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You should listen to &lt;i&gt;I sucked a lot of c**k to get where I am&quot;&lt;/i&gt; by Regurgitator. I think you&#039;d be surprised at how well they understand your pain Weddy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should listen to <i>I sucked a lot of c**k to get where I am&#8221;</i> by Regurgitator. I think you&#8217;d be surprised at how well they understand your pain Weddy.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/the_first_copyright_filesharing_decision.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088827</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[90s rock?

FFS..!!

Good grounds for having your kids taken off you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>90s rock?</p>
<p>FFS..!!</p>
<p>Good grounds for having your kids taken off you.</p>
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		<title>By: RRM</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/the_first_copyright_filesharing_decision.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088825</link>
		<dc:creator>RRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We introduced the kids to some 90s rock yesterday simply by running youtube videos through the amp and my big speakers.

The versions of Song 2, Pretty Fly For a White Guy and Scooby Snacks that we found all sounded pretty good even at decent volume.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We introduced the kids to some 90s rock yesterday simply by running youtube videos through the amp and my big speakers.</p>
<p>The versions of Song 2, Pretty Fly For a White Guy and Scooby Snacks that we found all sounded pretty good even at decent volume.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/the_first_copyright_filesharing_decision.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088821</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Morons- quality of Youtube music is no different to stock mp3. Whatever you choose.

This whole scenario is just more of the same old same old socialist crap- corrupt bureaucrats in bed with a corrupt private sector.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morons- quality of Youtube music is no different to stock mp3. Whatever you choose.</p>
<p>This whole scenario is just more of the same old same old socialist crap- corrupt bureaucrats in bed with a corrupt private sector.</p>
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		<title>By: davidp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/the_first_copyright_filesharing_decision.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088819</link>
		<dc:creator>davidp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Archer&gt;Music ripped from Youtube videos is shocking quality though.

Is that true these days?  Video from YouTube used to be fairly low resolution, but now you can watch 720 and 1080 versions of videos. That&#039;s resolution that matches or exceeds television quality. I presume that the audio quality has increased to match the video quality. But, how good does it have to be to sound good on mp3 player headphones while someone is walking down the street or traveling on a bus?

I don&#039;t see how saving YouTube clips on your PC can be illegal. That would mean anyone storing any web content locally would be a criminal. Right click on a web image and save, and you could be fined. Save Page As, and you could be fined. Save a Word document to read it later, offline, and you could be fined. But assume it is true and saving clips off YouTube is a crime... We&#039;re left with the perverse situation that someone streaming a music video off YouTube and watching it on their smartphone while they&#039;re on a bus is not a criminal. But someone saving that same music video offline and watching it later on their smartphone while they&#039;re on a bus is a criminal. Or, to put it another way... If the video is being delivered via Telecom&#039;s network then you&#039;re not a criminal, but if it is being delivered by your smartphone&#039;s onboard memory then you are a criminal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archer&gt;Music ripped from Youtube videos is shocking quality though.</p>
<p>Is that true these days?  Video from YouTube used to be fairly low resolution, but now you can watch 720 and 1080 versions of videos. That&#8217;s resolution that matches or exceeds television quality. I presume that the audio quality has increased to match the video quality. But, how good does it have to be to sound good on mp3 player headphones while someone is walking down the street or traveling on a bus?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how saving YouTube clips on your PC can be illegal. That would mean anyone storing any web content locally would be a criminal. Right click on a web image and save, and you could be fined. Save Page As, and you could be fined. Save a Word document to read it later, offline, and you could be fined. But assume it is true and saving clips off YouTube is a crime&#8230; We&#8217;re left with the perverse situation that someone streaming a music video off YouTube and watching it on their smartphone while they&#8217;re on a bus is not a criminal. But someone saving that same music video offline and watching it later on their smartphone while they&#8217;re on a bus is a criminal. Or, to put it another way&#8230; If the video is being delivered via Telecom&#8217;s network then you&#8217;re not a criminal, but if it is being delivered by your smartphone&#8217;s onboard memory then you are a criminal.</p>
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		<title>By: Archer</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/the_first_copyright_filesharing_decision.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088813</link>
		<dc:creator>Archer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Probably, but they can&#039;t monitor it the same way they do with torrents so it is a safe way to get mp3s (albeit of poor quality).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably, but they can&#8217;t monitor it the same way they do with torrents so it is a safe way to get mp3s (albeit of poor quality).</p>
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		<title>By: speters</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/the_first_copyright_filesharing_decision.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088811</link>
		<dc:creator>speters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m fairly sure downloading music from Youtube is illegal?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fairly sure downloading music from Youtube is illegal?</p>
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		<title>By: Archer</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/the_first_copyright_filesharing_decision.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088809</link>
		<dc:creator>Archer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Music ripped from Youtube videos is shocking quality though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Music ripped from Youtube videos is shocking quality though.</p>
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		<title>By: davidp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/the_first_copyright_filesharing_decision.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088805</link>
		<dc:creator>davidp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All three songs could have been legally watched and downloaded from YouTube. It is trivial to rip the mp4 YouTube videos to mp3 audio files so they could be loaded on to an mp3 player. I fail to see why downloading music from YouTube is legal, but downloading the exact same music via BitTorrent is illegal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All three songs could have been legally watched and downloaded from YouTube. It is trivial to rip the mp4 YouTube videos to mp3 audio files so they could be loaded on to an mp3 player. I fail to see why downloading music from YouTube is legal, but downloading the exact same music via BitTorrent is illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/the_first_copyright_filesharing_decision.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088803</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is already plenty of software available to mask an IP address.

This was a very soft case for RIANZ as the respondent readily admitted to the downloading of the songs (and she apologised for it). RIANZ drew a long bow with some of its claims and this early decision is likely to clip its wings in trying to make such extravagant claims for financial loss in the future. 

RIANZ claimed that once the user had downloaded the 3 songs to her PC that the peer-to-peer programme then made the songs available to anyone else to upload from her PC and that the Tribunal ought to punish her for that too, and RIANZ further claimed 700,000 in NZ access peer-to-peer files like this every month. The Tribunal rejected this argument.

In the end the Tribunal rejected RIANZ inflated claims about its supposed financial loss and instead calculated the total loss to RIANZ for the three songs downloaded to be just $6.57 ! The remainder of the &quot;fine&quot; was for filing fees incurred by RIANZ, and a deterrence fine of $360 ($120 per song).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is already plenty of software available to mask an IP address.</p>
<p>This was a very soft case for RIANZ as the respondent readily admitted to the downloading of the songs (and she apologised for it). RIANZ drew a long bow with some of its claims and this early decision is likely to clip its wings in trying to make such extravagant claims for financial loss in the future. </p>
<p>RIANZ claimed that once the user had downloaded the 3 songs to her PC that the peer-to-peer programme then made the songs available to anyone else to upload from her PC and that the Tribunal ought to punish her for that too, and RIANZ further claimed 700,000 in NZ access peer-to-peer files like this every month. The Tribunal rejected this argument.</p>
<p>In the end the Tribunal rejected RIANZ inflated claims about its supposed financial loss and instead calculated the total loss to RIANZ for the three songs downloaded to be just $6.57 ! The remainder of the &#8220;fine&#8221; was for filing fees incurred by RIANZ, and a deterrence fine of $360 ($120 per song).</p>
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		<title>By: anonymouse</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/the_first_copyright_filesharing_decision.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088802</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting that one of the factors in the $120 deterrent fee was the fact that she continued to seed to files with utorrent,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that one of the factors in the $120 deterrent fee was the fact that she continued to seed to files with utorrent,</p>
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		<title>By: Sadu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/the_first_copyright_filesharing_decision.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088797</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I actually think they got the balance of this about right. A $600 fine is enough of a deterrent to make most people not want to get one. But it won&#039;t ruin someone&#039;s life, like a $15k fine could.

And let&#039;s face it - music piracy is not a life-ruining offence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think they got the balance of this about right. A $600 fine is enough of a deterrent to make most people not want to get one. But it won&#8217;t ruin someone&#8217;s life, like a $15k fine could.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s face it &#8211; music piracy is not a life-ruining offence.</p>
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		<title>By: barry</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/the_first_copyright_filesharing_decision.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088791</link>
		<dc:creator>barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I await to hear of new software to hide ones IP address...........]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="background-color:#FFFFCC !important"><p>I await to hear of new software to hide ones IP address&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Left Right and Centre</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/the_first_copyright_filesharing_decision.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088789</link>
		<dc:creator>Left Right and Centre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have I got this right... they were served infringement notices for three songs, but how many were downloaded?

Like... people who speed all the time but only get caught now and then....

So... it was $600 odd for... quite a few more than only three songs and whatever else they thiefed?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have I got this right&#8230; they were served infringement notices for three songs, but how many were downloaded?</p>
<p>Like&#8230; people who speed all the time but only get caught now and then&#8230;.</p>
<p>So&#8230; it was $600 odd for&#8230; quite a few more than only three songs and whatever else they thiefed?</p>
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