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	<title>Comments on: Why not just have the Govt build and own all the homes?</title>
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		<title>By: Peanut63</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peanut63</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 02:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would agree with your arguments of Labour and the Greens; and this is well stated by your other bloggers. All be it the idea of assisting Kiwis to own their own home being a good one, the plan has to be one of equality and realistic to the economy of the times. Above all a random draw seems in breach of our government’s loyalty to the taxpayer. Unlike a business where there clearly is no loyalty required to its employees as there is simply a contract between the two parties; the relationship between government and taxpayers is different where we as taxpayers have self-interest but Labour and the Greens must surrender this aspect in place or loyalty. As stated by Duska (1983), ‘loyalty is incompatible with self-interest’. Our government cannot have self-interest; yet we can argue here there is an underlying interest to pursue a ‘shonky and nutty’ vision with the self-interest of generating votes and throwing a random draw in the mix seems thoughtless. The biggest investment an average family makes is the purchase of a home, yet between Labour and the Greens they have made it into a ‘poker game’! Whatever happened to integrity as to how choices are made? Surely a review for each application based on income and expenses would be a better determination in selecting people that are in real need of owning such a home. I will come back to this self-interest argument later.

Your argument appears sound with regard to ‘Why would you buy equity in the house?’ After all when we invest our hard earned money we want a good comparable ROI. 

The reality of this population niche is they have tendencies to take an offer without much thought. Which leads to answering why this population would buy equity in such a house. You need to reverse your argument in order to get your valid points across.
My own argument being; the majority of this demographic would buy into this scheme without doing the math – they have no other option if they are being sold the vision of owning a home as being the ultimate kiwi dream and the making of a sound financial future. It seems too good to be true and the deal is done. However if these buyers really gave it even a superficial thought; the budget set aside for each home is $300,000; we have to envision what we can build on that budget in Auckland? Are we talking homes for families or one bedroom ‘sardine cans’? Similar to open polytechnic (n.d) ‘Cranford’s analogy; where if we think an employer is entitled to use other information seeking activities, then by analogy, we should think an employer is entitled to use drug testing.’ Similarly it can be analogous in saying the campaign to encourage low income families to buy into this scheme will earn them a house in the same way the marketing of pay day loans will get this same group cash now; no pressure required just a bit if enticement! 

Who do you think the target population is within this scheme? We know it is low income families but why? Has the Government run the risk factors on this group? Is it only the population that can afford to invest on their own steam that are needing to ensure they ‘qualify’ for the privilege of borrowing to invest? Let’s not stop here, why don’t we ask the Greens and Labour to lend the lower risk population an equivalent to this sort of capital. What great rates they are offering compared to the banks current lending rates. 

One has to ask if this ‘owning a home scheme for lower income families’ is fair? Not only on the target population as susceptible ‘buyers’, but on the taxpayers who work so hard to achieve their own goals independently. This plan of home ownership will place a further dent of $3 billion on top of our already existing deficit. Influencing the masses with the underlying objective of self-interest requires a scheme, and this is a good one! Kennon, J (n.d.) states ‘Real estate is often a more comfortable investment for the lower and middle classes because they grew up exposed to it (just as the upper classes often learned about stocks, bonds, and other securities during their childhood and teenage years). It’s likely most people heard their parents talking about the importance of “owning a home”. The result is that they are more open to buying land than many other investments.’ Without going into the numbers it is equally easy to ask this simple question of someone that is considering buying a house. If you were to invest $5000 in Apple stocks and every year received a call asking you to pay an additional $5000 in order to keep the company afloat so you could be paid your dividend; would you consider this a good investment? Absolutely not! In the same way Labour and the Greens are asking lower income families to pay far more than they may ever gain from buying a house under this scheme – all to follow this cleverly staged kiwi dream.

Back to the argument of self-interest. We are dealing with a demographic population that is being targeted with an underlying agenda– that of increasing votes. What Labour and the Greens tend to overlook is the statistics of voters. How many voters are actually voting that fall within this demographic and at what cost is this campaign to the voting taxpayer?

As stated and argued by Pillay, P (n.d.) ‘the act of deception within the business situation is actually detrimental to the individual’, in this case the individuals are low income families. Leading our nation is a business, get real, and take a look. Despite the media hype and human natures ability to focus on the desperation of others, John Key and his National leadershipare doing well in a tough economy; however the Greens and Labour are transparently leaching off the poor to empower themselves.

References:
Farrar, D. (2013). Kiwi Blog. Why not just have the govt build and own all the homes. Retrieved 29/01/2013 from: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/why_not_just_have_the_govt_build_and_own_all_the_homes.html
Duska, R. (1983). Whistleblowing and Employee Loyalty.
Open Polytechnic  (n.d). The Open Polytechnic of New Zealand.Business Ethics 71203.Module 2.Cranford’s Analogy.
Kennon, J (n.d.). Investing for beginners. Real Estate vs. Stocks - Which Is the Better Investment? A Comparison of Real Estate Investments vs. Stocks. Retrieved 30/01/2013 from: http://beginnersinvest.about.com/od/realestate/a/real-estate-vs-stocks.htm
Pillay, P (n.d.). Chapter 3. The Ethical Boundaries of Business: Questions of Integrity. Retrieved 30/01/2013 from: http://www.crvp.org/book/Series02/II-7/chapter_iii.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with your arguments of Labour and the Greens; and this is well stated by your other bloggers. All be it the idea of assisting Kiwis to own their own home being a good one, the plan has to be one of equality and realistic to the economy of the times. Above all a random draw seems in breach of our government’s loyalty to the taxpayer. Unlike a business where there clearly is no loyalty required to its employees as there is simply a contract between the two parties; the relationship between government and taxpayers is different where we as taxpayers have self-interest but Labour and the Greens must surrender this aspect in place or loyalty. As stated by Duska (1983), ‘loyalty is incompatible with self-interest’. Our government cannot have self-interest; yet we can argue here there is an underlying interest to pursue a ‘shonky and nutty’ vision with the self-interest of generating votes and throwing a random draw in the mix seems thoughtless. The biggest investment an average family makes is the purchase of a home, yet between Labour and the Greens they have made it into a ‘poker game’! Whatever happened to integrity as to how choices are made? Surely a review for each application based on income and expenses would be a better determination in selecting people that are in real need of owning such a home. I will come back to this self-interest argument later.</p>
<p>Your argument appears sound with regard to ‘Why would you buy equity in the house?’ After all when we invest our hard earned money we want a good comparable ROI. </p>
<p>The reality of this population niche is they have tendencies to take an offer without much thought. Which leads to answering why this population would buy equity in such a house. You need to reverse your argument in order to get your valid points across.<br />
My own argument being; the majority of this demographic would buy into this scheme without doing the math – they have no other option if they are being sold the vision of owning a home as being the ultimate kiwi dream and the making of a sound financial future. It seems too good to be true and the deal is done. However if these buyers really gave it even a superficial thought; the budget set aside for each home is $300,000; we have to envision what we can build on that budget in Auckland? Are we talking homes for families or one bedroom ‘sardine cans’? Similar to open polytechnic (n.d) ‘Cranford’s analogy; where if we think an employer is entitled to use other information seeking activities, then by analogy, we should think an employer is entitled to use drug testing.’ Similarly it can be analogous in saying the campaign to encourage low income families to buy into this scheme will earn them a house in the same way the marketing of pay day loans will get this same group cash now; no pressure required just a bit if enticement! </p>
<p>Who do you think the target population is within this scheme? We know it is low income families but why? Has the Government run the risk factors on this group? Is it only the population that can afford to invest on their own steam that are needing to ensure they ‘qualify’ for the privilege of borrowing to invest? Let’s not stop here, why don’t we ask the Greens and Labour to lend the lower risk population an equivalent to this sort of capital. What great rates they are offering compared to the banks current lending rates. </p>
<p>One has to ask if this ‘owning a home scheme for lower income families’ is fair? Not only on the target population as susceptible ‘buyers’, but on the taxpayers who work so hard to achieve their own goals independently. This plan of home ownership will place a further dent of $3 billion on top of our already existing deficit. Influencing the masses with the underlying objective of self-interest requires a scheme, and this is a good one! Kennon, J (n.d.) states ‘Real estate is often a more comfortable investment for the lower and middle classes because they grew up exposed to it (just as the upper classes often learned about stocks, bonds, and other securities during their childhood and teenage years). It’s likely most people heard their parents talking about the importance of “owning a home”. The result is that they are more open to buying land than many other investments.’ Without going into the numbers it is equally easy to ask this simple question of someone that is considering buying a house. If you were to invest $5000 in Apple stocks and every year received a call asking you to pay an additional $5000 in order to keep the company afloat so you could be paid your dividend; would you consider this a good investment? Absolutely not! In the same way Labour and the Greens are asking lower income families to pay far more than they may ever gain from buying a house under this scheme – all to follow this cleverly staged kiwi dream.</p>
<p>Back to the argument of self-interest. We are dealing with a demographic population that is being targeted with an underlying agenda– that of increasing votes. What Labour and the Greens tend to overlook is the statistics of voters. How many voters are actually voting that fall within this demographic and at what cost is this campaign to the voting taxpayer?</p>
<p>As stated and argued by Pillay, P (n.d.) ‘the act of deception within the business situation is actually detrimental to the individual’, in this case the individuals are low income families. Leading our nation is a business, get real, and take a look. Despite the media hype and human natures ability to focus on the desperation of others, John Key and his National leadershipare doing well in a tough economy; however the Greens and Labour are transparently leaching off the poor to empower themselves.</p>
<p>References:<br />
Farrar, D. (2013). Kiwi Blog. Why not just have the govt build and own all the homes. Retrieved 29/01/2013 from: <a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/why_not_just_have_the_govt_build_and_own_all_the_homes.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/why_not_just_have_the_govt_build_and_own_all_the_homes.html</a><br />
Duska, R. (1983). Whistleblowing and Employee Loyalty.<br />
Open Polytechnic  (n.d). The Open Polytechnic of New Zealand.Business Ethics 71203.Module 2.Cranford’s Analogy.<br />
Kennon, J (n.d.). Investing for beginners. Real Estate vs. Stocks &#8211; Which Is the Better Investment? A Comparison of Real Estate Investments vs. Stocks. Retrieved 30/01/2013 from: <a href="http://beginnersinvest.about.com/od/realestate/a/real-estate-vs-stocks.htm" rel="nofollow">http://beginnersinvest.about.com/od/realestate/a/real-estate-vs-stocks.htm</a><br />
Pillay, P (n.d.). Chapter 3. The Ethical Boundaries of Business: Questions of Integrity. Retrieved 30/01/2013 from: <a href="http://www.crvp.org/book/Series02/II-7/chapter_iii.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.crvp.org/book/Series02/II-7/chapter_iii.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: valeriusterminus</title>
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		<dc:creator>valeriusterminus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For Profit Landlords are aghast at the prospect of tax on the gains of their expectations - rather than any Value addition to the accommodation equation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Profit Landlords are aghast at the prospect of tax on the gains of their expectations &#8211; rather than any Value addition to the accommodation equation.</p>
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		<title>By: valeriusterminus</title>
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		<dc:creator>valeriusterminus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No comment above negates the moot;

&quot;Why not just have the government just build and own all the homes?&quot; [implied: - &quot;homes for strugglers&quot;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No comment above negates the moot;</p>
<p>&#8220;Why not just have the government just build and own all the homes?&#8221; [implied: - "homes for strugglers"]</p>
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		<title>By: Paulus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Due to the size of Singapore most properties are high rise apartments, and they are Government owned.
God help you when regularly inspected they are not kept immaculately.
Out on your ear within max 24 hours and no follow up.
Due to the serious class society only the wealthy or well connected own properties.
Look at the taxes and rules for car ownership - 3 years ownership and off the island irrespective.
And you wonder why Singapore does so well - strict rules for everybody - transgress at your peril.
&quot;Like New Zealand &quot; ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due to the size of Singapore most properties are high rise apartments, and they are Government owned.<br />
God help you when regularly inspected they are not kept immaculately.<br />
Out on your ear within max 24 hours and no follow up.<br />
Due to the serious class society only the wealthy or well connected own properties.<br />
Look at the taxes and rules for car ownership &#8211; 3 years ownership and off the island irrespective.<br />
And you wonder why Singapore does so well &#8211; strict rules for everybody &#8211; transgress at your peril.<br />
&#8220;Like New Zealand &#8221; ?</p>
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		<title>By: ex-golfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>ex-golfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 22:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the Gweens put up someone who complains she can&#039;t afford to buy a house.
Yet as Cactus Kate points out, this young woman has only lived in NZ for 6 years, has been a student for most of those and therefore has received an excellent tax-payer subsidised education (we, afterall are paying the interest on her loan) and now wants us to subsidise her into a nice new home for life?
If she doesn&#039;t like NZ I suggest she takes her Masters degree back to South Africa - surely life is better back there.

http://asianinvasion2006.blogspot.hk/2013/01/come-to-nz-nice-stupid-people-will.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the Gweens put up someone who complains she can&#8217;t afford to buy a house.<br />
Yet as Cactus Kate points out, this young woman has only lived in NZ for 6 years, has been a student for most of those and therefore has received an excellent tax-payer subsidised education (we, afterall are paying the interest on her loan) and now wants us to subsidise her into a nice new home for life?<br />
If she doesn&#8217;t like NZ I suggest she takes her Masters degree back to South Africa &#8211; surely life is better back there.</p>
<p><a href="http://asianinvasion2006.blogspot.hk/2013/01/come-to-nz-nice-stupid-people-will.html" rel="nofollow">http://asianinvasion2006.blogspot.hk/2013/01/come-to-nz-nice-stupid-people-will.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Spam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesome.

I paid-off my student loan when they attracted interest from day 1.  Now I, as a taxpayer get to pay everyone elses&#039; interest on their loans.
I support my own family, but as a tax payer I get to support everyone elses&#039; through working for families.

Now, if the Greens get their way, having worked hard to pay-off my own mortgage, I will now get to pay for everyone elses&#039; mortgage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome.</p>
<p>I paid-off my student loan when they attracted interest from day 1.  Now I, as a taxpayer get to pay everyone elses&#8217; interest on their loans.<br />
I support my own family, but as a tax payer I get to support everyone elses&#8217; through working for families.</p>
<p>Now, if the Greens get their way, having worked hard to pay-off my own mortgage, I will now get to pay for everyone elses&#8217; mortgage.</p>
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		<title>By: pq</title>
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		<dc:creator>pq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Farrar is funny, he polls for his boss, and boss pays him well, I will talk about how well later]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farrar is funny, he polls for his boss, and boss pays him well, I will talk about how well later</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the problems is everyone wants to live in Auckland (demand) but there isn&#039;t enough housing stock or land available to build on (supply). Somehow, we need to encourage people to not want to live in Auckland (i.e. immigrants and returning NZers). The Greens seem to live in a fantasy land that you can build a house (with land) for $300k. If they can do it and help people into homes, great. But I can guarantee that it&#039;s going to have to be somewhere other than where people want to live, or in houses that people don&#039;t want to live in.

Viking2 sums it up nicely here http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/housing_affordability-4.html#comment-1084766

&lt;blockquote&gt;We either make a serious effort to reign in house prices relative to incomes, or we leave it to politicians to spend money on the problem.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think we can do much/anything to decrease the prices of housing in NZ (it&#039;s overpriced relative to our income, but we live in a global economy after all) so we need to increase incomes. It&#039;s a question of productivity, which we are sadly lacking in this country. And our leftist govt policies don&#039;t help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the problems is everyone wants to live in Auckland (demand) but there isn&#8217;t enough housing stock or land available to build on (supply). Somehow, we need to encourage people to not want to live in Auckland (i.e. immigrants and returning NZers). The Greens seem to live in a fantasy land that you can build a house (with land) for $300k. If they can do it and help people into homes, great. But I can guarantee that it&#8217;s going to have to be somewhere other than where people want to live, or in houses that people don&#8217;t want to live in.</p>
<p>Viking2 sums it up nicely here <a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/housing_affordability-4.html#comment-1084766" rel="nofollow">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/housing_affordability-4.html#comment-1084766</a></p>
<blockquote><p>We either make a serious effort to reign in house prices relative to incomes, or we leave it to politicians to spend money on the problem.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we can do much/anything to decrease the prices of housing in NZ (it&#8217;s overpriced relative to our income, but we live in a global economy after all) so we need to increase incomes. It&#8217;s a question of productivity, which we are sadly lacking in this country. And our leftist govt policies don&#8217;t help.</p>
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		<title>By: SPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Something has to be done about the decline in home ownership. 

Rental insulation subsidy extending to warrant of fitness is fine - and is proposed by Labour and Greens. 
The government&#039;s own focus on efficient managment of existing state housing stock is fine. 

But there is not enough state housing supply and extending it is debt load expensive. This problem will worsen if a generation without home ownership reach retirement with insufficient saving to afford rent even with accomodation supplement. 

Labour and Green proposals are not perfect, but are a response, rather than inaction. 

We either make a serious effort to reign in house prices relative to incomes, or we leave it to politicians to spend money on the problem.  

The government has said it will take the lead in developing irrigation programmes because of private sector inaction, but despite lack of private sector investment in house building in Auckland in recent years the government has done nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something has to be done about the decline in home ownership. </p>
<p>Rental insulation subsidy extending to warrant of fitness is fine &#8211; and is proposed by Labour and Greens.<br />
The government&#8217;s own focus on efficient managment of existing state housing stock is fine. </p>
<p>But there is not enough state housing supply and extending it is debt load expensive. This problem will worsen if a generation without home ownership reach retirement with insufficient saving to afford rent even with accomodation supplement. </p>
<p>Labour and Green proposals are not perfect, but are a response, rather than inaction. </p>
<p>We either make a serious effort to reign in house prices relative to incomes, or we leave it to politicians to spend money on the problem.  </p>
<p>The government has said it will take the lead in developing irrigation programmes because of private sector inaction, but despite lack of private sector investment in house building in Auckland in recent years the government has done nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 06:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know that you can argue they can open up more land and buy it directly off the farmers who currently own it, which is much cheaper, but their policies seem to not want to increase city limits. (Although they&#039;d then have to pay for the new infrastructure themselves which would push the cost up, whereas developers normally pay for it, from my understanding.) So they&#039;re left with having to buy up land from within existing city limits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that you can argue they can open up more land and buy it directly off the farmers who currently own it, which is much cheaper, but their policies seem to not want to increase city limits. (Although they&#8217;d then have to pay for the new infrastructure themselves which would push the cost up, whereas developers normally pay for it, from my understanding.) So they&#8217;re left with having to buy up land from within existing city limits.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 06:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems fairly clear to me that the Green (and Labour) policy can&#039;t possibly include building any &quot;affordable&quot; housing in Auckland. Ain&#039;t much change from $300k once you buy a section and pay for building consents etc etc.

&quot;Auckland&#039;s median section price has increased by 8.8 per cent over the same period, from $285,000 in 2007 to $310,000 this year. And that increase has come during a period of subdued building activity, lending weight to the argument that there is a supply problem.&quot;

Source: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/7324389/Funding-required-for-new-housing]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems fairly clear to me that the Green (and Labour) policy can&#8217;t possibly include building any &#8220;affordable&#8221; housing in Auckland. Ain&#8217;t much change from $300k once you buy a section and pay for building consents etc etc.</p>
<p>&#8220;Auckland&#8217;s median section price has increased by 8.8 per cent over the same period, from $285,000 in 2007 to $310,000 this year. And that increase has come during a period of subdued building activity, lending weight to the argument that there is a supply problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>Source: <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/7324389/Funding-required-for-new-housing" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/7324389/Funding-required-for-new-housing</a></p>
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		<title>By: greenjacket</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/why_not_just_have_the_govt_build_and_own_all_the_homes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1084958</link>
		<dc:creator>greenjacket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 06:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clint:
If people are unable to afford new houses (though for $300,000 you are talking about an apartment), then isn&#039;t it because NZers are relatively poor? I mean, an average house price of $500,000 may seem like an awful lot to us, but its bloody cheap if you have an Australian or US level of income. 
And the reason why New Zealand is relatively poor is because our productivity is so low - so what are the Greens going to do about improving NZ productivity?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="background-color:#FFFFCC !important"><p>Clint:<br />
If people are unable to afford new houses (though for $300,000 you are talking about an apartment), then isn&#8217;t it because NZers are relatively poor? I mean, an average house price of $500,000 may seem like an awful lot to us, but its bloody cheap if you have an Australian or US level of income.<br />
And the reason why New Zealand is relatively poor is because our productivity is so low &#8211; so what are the Greens going to do about improving NZ productivity?</p>
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		<title>By: Nostalgia-NZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nostalgia-NZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 06:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Both Labour and Nat&#039;s governments of the past have offered assistance for tenants to buy state houses from existing housing stock. I can&#039;t see a big difference to this proposal compared to policies of the past. All the parties will have some &#039;blend&#039; of those previous polices and newer versions for 2014;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Labour and Nat&#8217;s governments of the past have offered assistance for tenants to buy state houses from existing housing stock. I can&#8217;t see a big difference to this proposal compared to policies of the past. All the parties will have some &#8216;blend&#8217; of those previous polices and newer versions for 2014;</p>
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		<title>By: Viking2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/why_not_just_have_the_govt_build_and_own_all_the_homes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1084951</link>
		<dc:creator>Viking2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Average ownership of a housing property in NZ is about 7 years. Has been for a longtime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Average ownership of a housing property in NZ is about 7 years. Has been for a longtime.</p>
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		<title>By: Monique Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monique Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clint. How much are the legal fees gonna cost alone? The people going into the wrapped properties should be legally protected. What happens if they pull out after putting 20,000 of their own money. From what I see of your policy, they forfeit this equity. I can&#039;t see that flying. 
And what about the 3 D&#039;s that affect the outcome of home ownership and the value and desirability of properties? Death, Divorce and De  Paedophiles. 
Fucking paedophiles are more common than one might think. As a property investor, if it&#039;s not paeds that I&#039;m dealing with it&#039;s under-aged prostitutes.
Say you get a paedo buying a house alongside a family with young children. All of a sudden they wanna get the hell out of the house they&#039;ve lived and built up equity in. Where is their protection. Normal families are very mobile and won&#039;t want to hang around for the thirty years it takes to get title when all of a sudden Mary has a hankering to move near to her grandkids and BIll&#039;s idea of retirement is to cruise around the country on a Harley. Most people don&#039;t have kids till they&#039;re over thirty these days. That means Bill and Mary are approaching retirement when they&#039;ve paid it off and are no longer retricted in their movement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clint. How much are the legal fees gonna cost alone? The people going into the wrapped properties should be legally protected. What happens if they pull out after putting 20,000 of their own money. From what I see of your policy, they forfeit this equity. I can&#8217;t see that flying.<br />
And what about the 3 D&#8217;s that affect the outcome of home ownership and the value and desirability of properties? Death, Divorce and De  Paedophiles.<br />
Fucking paedophiles are more common than one might think. As a property investor, if it&#8217;s not paeds that I&#8217;m dealing with it&#8217;s under-aged prostitutes.<br />
Say you get a paedo buying a house alongside a family with young children. All of a sudden they wanna get the hell out of the house they&#8217;ve lived and built up equity in. Where is their protection. Normal families are very mobile and won&#8217;t want to hang around for the thirty years it takes to get title when all of a sudden Mary has a hankering to move near to her grandkids and BIll&#8217;s idea of retirement is to cruise around the country on a Harley. Most people don&#8217;t have kids till they&#8217;re over thirty these days. That means Bill and Mary are approaching retirement when they&#8217;ve paid it off and are no longer retricted in their movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Pauleastbay</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/why_not_just_have_the_govt_build_and_own_all_the_homes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1084940</link>
		<dc:creator>Pauleastbay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like to congratulate Clint Smith on the most economically illiterate piece of writing I have ever seen.

No fucking idea would be an apt title.  Christ us if these clowns ever get near the Treasury benches aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="background-color:#FFFFCC !important"><p>I would like to congratulate Clint Smith on the most economically illiterate piece of writing I have ever seen.</p>
<p>No fucking idea would be an apt title.  Christ us if these clowns ever get near the Treasury benches aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh</p>
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		<title>By: wat dabney</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/why_not_just_have_the_govt_build_and_own_all_the_homes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1084925</link>
		<dc:creator>wat dabney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the &quot;Green Party Political and Media Advisor&quot; could do the maths for us and tell us how much each vote thus purchased will cost the taxpayers?

Corrupt bastards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the &#8220;Green Party Political and Media Advisor&#8221; could do the maths for us and tell us how much each vote thus purchased will cost the taxpayers?</p>
<p>Corrupt bastards.</p>
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		<title>By: stigie</title>
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		<dc:creator>stigie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike, is that where you are going to hide away from the misses ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, is that where you are going to hide away from the misses ?</p>
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		<title>By: Jinky</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/why_not_just_have_the_govt_build_and_own_all_the_homes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1084893</link>
		<dc:creator>Jinky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doesn&#039;t the Singapore Govt own most of the housing there? where is Redbaiter to offer his support to the Greens?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t the Singapore Govt own most of the housing there? where is Redbaiter to offer his support to the Greens?</p>
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		<title>By: Red Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/01/why_not_just_have_the_govt_build_and_own_all_the_homes.html/comment-page-1#comment-1084891</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You won&#039;t get much criticism on Green Party policy when the journalist is Kate Shuttleworth. 

I remember her as an active Green Party youth activist about ten years ago and &quot;Kate Shuttleworth, CHRISTCHURCH representing Nandor Tanczos&quot; in the 2000 Youth Parliament.

Of course, her politics may have changed since she became a journo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You won&#8217;t get much criticism on Green Party policy when the journalist is Kate Shuttleworth. </p>
<p>I remember her as an active Green Party youth activist about ten years ago and &#8220;Kate Shuttleworth, CHRISTCHURCH representing Nandor Tanczos&#8221; in the 2000 Youth Parliament.</p>
<p>Of course, her politics may have changed since she became a journo.</p>
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