Will Horan set up a party?

January 30th, 2013 at 1:14 pm by David Farrar

3 News reports:

A defiant independent MP arrived back at Parliament today, vowing to fight for more transparency around MPs’ pay rises. …

He even wants to run for re-election come 2014.

“I am here to stay,” he says.

Mr Horan may even start his own party.

“I’m keeping all my options open in that regard.”

Maybe he should call any party the Transparency & Accountability Bloc Party, or the TAB Party?

Mr Horan’s also planning to campaign for more transparency for MPs’ pay rises, after an increase was announced just before Christmas.

“It’s not what the average Kiwi wants to hear when you’ve got thousands of people losing their jobs and being made redundant,” says Mr Horan.

He’ll try and amend a bill that’s already before Parliament, so the public know what MPs’ pay increases are before each election.

On that issue, he is on the right side. Chris Hipkins has also said he supports such a change. Hopefully it may happen. The salaries and allowances should be set prior to each election for the entire term.

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27 Responses to “Will Horan set up a party?”

  1. Barnsley Bill (848 comments) says:

    There is nothing stopping the towering pile of ego declining the pay rise.

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  2. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    A joke in very bad taste. Horan, the corrupt parasite, should go away as fast as he can.

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  3. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    Barnsley: actually I dont think you can decline the pay rise…but you can certainly set up an a/p for that amount from your salary to your favourite charity…

    But on the wider issue, I have it on good authority that Horan does indeed have a serious gambling addiction, and that he has frequently used his travel card to “coincidentally” be in towns “on parliamentary business” the same day as race meetings. That is almost impossible to prove, and all MP’s – to a greater or lesser extent – bend the rules so they can be where they need to be for party political as opposed to Parliamentary purposes. For example, half the Labour Party suddenly had “parliamentary business” at the time of the Mt Albert by-election which led to the hapless Mr Shearer being where he is.

    According to my informant, Winnie wasn’t worried about Horan following the race meetings around the country until he lied about why he couldn’t be somewhere Winnie wanted him to be…turned out he was at the races when he said he had urgent family business. It was that which led his whole edifice to start to crumble.

    For all of that, I certainly don’t envy Horan, and feel very much for his family…I understand he has pre-teenage children. The media jackals will be at him constantly. I don’t know the man at all, but unless he is as strong as – say – Redbaiter, I doubt he will cope with the pressure that is heaped upon him. And if he thinks he is going to get back in parliament on the back of a newly set up party he must be dumber than a sack full of hammers.

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  4. Peter (1,695 comments) says:

    David, you must write a book!

    Can you expand on what sort of pressure might be applied? Do you mean just the media pressure, or pressure from other areas?

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  5. Jacob Cohen (46 comments) says:

    What if Horan decides to set up a New Zealand Nazi Party?
    There may be a law against that particular name, or plates.co.nz may stop you – but in theory it appears no Parliamentary rule will prevent you, if you are a List Member, from leaving the Party you were admitted to Parliament to expressly represent, and call yourself anything else you like.
    This is simply fucking stupid.
    Parliament is supposed to have some credibility?

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  6. Vinick (218 comments) says:

    Jacob,

    Parliament would not recognise his new party, even if the Electoral Commission did.

    Gordon Copeland (with others) set up the Kiwi Party but did not become a Kiwi Party MP in Parliament.

    Hone Harawira quit and won in a byelection to become a Mana Party MP.

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  7. RRM (10,104 comments) says:

    The Some Guy You’ve Never Really Heard Of Before Party?

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  8. krazykiwi (8,040 comments) says:

    So … setting up a single-issue party to tap voter envy/disgust over how much MP’s are paid. And he want’s to be paid for this?

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  9. Rex Widerstrom (5,013 comments) says:

    Yes he might be on the right side of the salaries and allowances issue, but it’s purely expedient. It’s a quick populist off-the-cuff “policy” designed to appeal to the disaffected (and admittedly large bloc with justified concerns). But beyond that the man is an empty jacket.

    That he can enter Parliament with just a handful of votes, shamelessly use the money earned by other NZers to fund his lifestyle, and then remain at the teat when the magic carpet on which he rode in is swept from under his feet shows how badly served we are by MMP.

    And I’d argue there’s a difference between stretching “Parliamentary business” to encompass “political party business” – because the two are often intertwined and, like it or not, political parties are a necessity to democracy. An individual MP’s gambling is not.

    It would be easy to tighten up these abuses. Expecting an MP to justify – even by way of random audit – their taxpayer-funded travel by producing evidence of having undertaken legitimate business is hardly beyond the scope of Parliamentary Services. All it would take is for MPs to permit themselves to be placed under such scrutiny.

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  10. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    Peter: Are you serious? Cam Slater has already revealed stories of Horan’s extra marital activities…no doubt there is more to that than has emerged thus far…Peters will have a dirt file on Horan – and all his other MP’s…all party leaders have them. Stuff from that can be leaked out every couple of weeks…it doesn’t even have to be true. It was tried against my good friend the squeaky clean John Boscawen…the reasons it didnt work are threefold: everyone in parliament knew he was squeaky clean, the allegations were so outrageous as to be almost laughable, and John had the wherewithal to sue the pants off anyone who published any such allegations; neither of those factors apply to Horan.

    Add to that, none of his former colleagues will talk to him or be seen with him. Depending on how things go, the Nat whips might hold their noses and talk to him if they need his vote on some issue, but it will be obvious they feel they are talking to a leper, and they won’t want to be near him once they have got what they want from him….

    Rex: I agree with most of what you have said. And being at the races when you have said you were somewhere else entirely is neither parliamentary nor party business…and a lie, which as you know, is fatal.

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  11. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    Jacob: I think you are right, and while “New Zealand Nazi Party” would probably not be registrable, I imagine “Aryan Peoples Party” or “European Values Party” would pass…In the early days of MMP Meurant formed “Right of Centre” in exactly the same circumstances Horan now finds himself…and of course let’s not forget “Jim Anderton’s Progressive Party” which was good for tens of thousands of dollars of parliamentary funding because Anderton was “leader” of a party of one….and no, the situation is not the same for ACT…it had five MP’s last time and finds itself with one as a result of electoral misfortune. The same applies to Dunne and United Future.

    Horan becoming the leader of a one man party consisting of himself would be a totally unvarnished rort. but a legal one.

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  12. Peter (1,695 comments) says:

    Thanks David. Yes, I know about the media side, but I was wondering about what happens within parliament.

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  13. pq (728 comments) says:

    hahah Farrar you such a funny man, dreaming, buts thats it you see, you must stop dreaming, what is your price Farrar, ask boss , you NZ coalition farrar, why do we have to fight you , we do not ask for much , you already know what our leader wants, give up now or i start shooting

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  14. Graeme Edgeler (2,972 comments) says:

    Meurant’s Right of Centre Party wasn’t the early days of MMP, but the dying days of first past the post. The Conservative Party (which it became) contested the first MMP election in 1996, and got 0.07% of the vote. By then, Meurant had parted ways and was an independent.

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  15. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    Graeme: a fount of knowledge as always…but regardless of the changed electoral system, I’m sure you will agree that Horan would be no more successful than Meurant if he stood in 2014 as “leader” of the Aryan Peoples Party…or perhaps in his case, the New Maori Party?

    Pq: are you on a substance or is that how you normally write? Either way, get some help old chap…

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  16. pq (728 comments) says:

    Mr Horan stole money from his mothers account. You don’t do that .

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  17. RRM (10,104 comments) says:

    farrar, why do we have to fight you , we do not ask for much , you already know what our leader wants, give up now or i start shooting

    :eek: Strewth!

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  18. Peter (1,695 comments) says:

    give up now or i start shooting

    Your load?

    Curious that party of yours…..

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  19. Rex Widerstrom (5,013 comments) says:

    Incidentally, on the subject of expenditure control, Parliamentary Services once called me up because I’d submitted an expense claim which included a CD (it was legitimate business – we needed a copy of the national anthem and no one at Parliament seemed to have one!).

    If they can question my expenditure of ~$30 how can they justify not calling Horan to account for travel worth many hundreds, if not thousands, more?

    To answer my own question: because MPs are great believers in the maxim that “some are more equal than others” and that the rules which apply to virtually any other employee – including those working for Parliamentary Services – should not apply to them in respect of their employers, the NZ taxpayer.

    On reflection, if the blatant troughing of Horan – which makes Tuku’s underpants look like utter penury – serves to make the public demand reform, then the expense of preserving him for a year as a constant, recurring symbol of all that is rotten in our democracy is a small price to pay.

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  20. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    To set himself up as a party leader surely he would have to form a party that qualified for party funding.

    That would mean finding a sufficient number of people prepared to become party members to support a rort for him to have party leadership status and funding while in parliament.

    I suspect it would be easier for him to prostitute himself before John Key and offer his vote in return for membership in the National Party caucus and a cosy place on the National Party list.

    It is not as if there is no precedent for former members of NZ First to do this. And Winston himself did this in 1996 when campaigning against the government and then supporting its continuance in office – in all but the technical detail. And it is not as if John Key is opposed to another National admin getting a third term it would not otherwise have got without Winston’s help. And, as last time, expect another National MP to then roll the PM and get a turn as PM because one dirty deed precedes another.

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  21. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    Horan is a political corpse already. The parasite’s body is starting to rot and deserves a quick burial.

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  22. Vinick (218 comments) says:

    SPC,

    Even if he signed up 500 financial members (one of the requirements to have a party registered with the Electoral Commission) his party would still not be recognised by Parliament, so he’d get no additional Parliamentary funding (Leader’s and Whip’s Budgets etc) than he does as an independent MP.

    It was only when Hone Harawira won his seat as a Mana Party candidate (in a byelection) that his party became recognised as a Parliamentary party and therefore eligible for Parliamentary funding.

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  23. pq (728 comments) says:

    for gods sake we have to love New Zealand and do it properly .
    please do not be diverted by this Farrar
    people say what they want for our country, speak now,

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  24. backster (2,196 comments) says:

    Perhaps he could form a “New Zealand Second” party.

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  25. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    Vinick, sure – it’s all moot he won’t get the 500 party members and has no intent to stand in 2014 (except maybe as an independent who probably won’t even campaign) – it’s just words to justify receiving 3 years MP pay.

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  26. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    SPC: Except that there are only two years left in the term, I think you have nailed it…

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  27. orewa1 (410 comments) says:

    Brendan who?

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