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		<title>By: pq</title>
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		<dc:creator>pq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 05:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PaulL (5,013) Says: 
February 1st, 2013 at 10:08 am 
I think what you’re both pointing to is a problem with parliamentary rules. If a motion that is raised cannot reasonably be agreed too without pre-notification, perhaps the thing to do is to change the rules so that instead of 2 seconds to object, people get 15 seconds. Wouldn’t that be a more useful change?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PaulL (5,013) Says:<br />
February 1st, 2013 at 10:08 am<br />
I think what you’re both pointing to is a problem with parliamentary rules. If a motion that is raised cannot reasonably be agreed too without pre-notification, perhaps the thing to do is to change the rules so that instead of 2 seconds to object, people get 15 seconds. Wouldn’t that be a more useful change?</p>
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		<title>By: pq</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/71077.html/comment-page-1#comment-1089905</link>
		<dc:creator>pq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 04:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[for Gods sake please write essay here in schoolboy  English, I need to know what is happenning , the phone say nothing,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for Gods sake please write essay here in schoolboy  English, I need to know what is happenning , the phone say nothing,</p>
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		<title>By: scrubone</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/71077.html/comment-page-1#comment-1089765</link>
		<dc:creator>scrubone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Really… That must have been a while ago. It’s actually pretty easy to understand I/S… If the red team do it then it’s good – if the blue team do it then it’s bad.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually I/S previously had a reputation for some level of integrity - he&#039;d criticise the left if they did something wrong and would occasionally praise the right. He did have some outbursts like this but they were more rare.

But I think the advent of a right wing government has tipped him over the edge. He&#039;s certainly complained bitterly about some of Lockwood&#039;s decisions (without first considering why they were made) while (as far as I can tell) having never complained once about the appaling speakers during Labour&#039;s term.

He simply doesn&#039;t understand the conservative mindset, prefering the left wing caricature of what the right believes rather than what they actually do believe. It&#039;s one of the worst flaws of the left that they never bother to examine what someone actually believes. That said, the right fall into the same trap, only not as often and not nearly as badly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Really… That must have been a while ago. It’s actually pretty easy to understand I/S… If the red team do it then it’s good – if the blue team do it then it’s bad.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually I/S previously had a reputation for some level of integrity &#8211; he&#8217;d criticise the left if they did something wrong and would occasionally praise the right. He did have some outbursts like this but they were more rare.</p>
<p>But I think the advent of a right wing government has tipped him over the edge. He&#8217;s certainly complained bitterly about some of Lockwood&#8217;s decisions (without first considering why they were made) while (as far as I can tell) having never complained once about the appaling speakers during Labour&#8217;s term.</p>
<p>He simply doesn&#8217;t understand the conservative mindset, prefering the left wing caricature of what the right believes rather than what they actually do believe. It&#8217;s one of the worst flaws of the left that they never bother to examine what someone actually believes. That said, the right fall into the same trap, only not as often and not nearly as badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot :

&quot;&lt;b&gt;Bigot&lt;/b&gt;:  a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; ...&quot;

If I recall correctly, that&#039;s the reason why he disabled comments at No Right Turn.

own goal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot" rel="nofollow">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot</a> :</p>
<p>&#8220;<b>Bigot</b>:  a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>If I recall correctly, that&#8217;s the reason why he disabled comments at No Right Turn.</p>
<p>own goal.</p>
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		<title>By: RRM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*Hanlon]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Hanlon</p>
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		<title>By: eszett</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/71077.html/comment-page-1#comment-1089670</link>
		<dc:creator>eszett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;So, it was a political stunt set up to embarrass National. I dont think it really came off.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Halon&#039;s Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.

Possibly I would tend to attribute Charles&#039; actions to the latter, while I/S is clearly the former.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, it was a political stunt set up to embarrass National. I dont think it really came off.</p></blockquote>
<p>Halon&#8217;s Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.</p>
<p>Possibly I would tend to attribute Charles&#8217; actions to the latter, while I/S is clearly the former.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;perhaps the thing to do is to change the rules so that instead of 2 seconds to object, people get 15 seconds. Wouldn’t that be a more useful change?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;d think a lot longer than that would normally be advisable.

I don&#039;t think MPs should be forced into spur of the moment decisions and on totally new issues they should have time to research and consider the suitability of motions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>perhaps the thing to do is to change the rules so that instead of 2 seconds to object, people get 15 seconds. Wouldn’t that be a more useful change?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d think a lot longer than that would normally be advisable.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think MPs should be forced into spur of the moment decisions and on totally new issues they should have time to research and consider the suitability of motions.</p>
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		<title>By: ChardonnayGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChardonnayGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t accept that the National Party consists of bigots either. There is some blue deadwood in there, although Labour has its own (ie Su&#039;a William Sio) too. One hopes that this issue is soon resolved and that New Zealand can join the Cameron administration in cutting any remaining foreign aid to Uganda and condemning its murderous and draconian Anti-Homosexuality Bill- especially considering the existence of widespread and pervasive Ugandan government corruption that a UK Ministry of Foreign Affairs audit uncovered in Kampala.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t accept that the National Party consists of bigots either. There is some blue deadwood in there, although Labour has its own (ie Su&#8217;a William Sio) too. One hopes that this issue is soon resolved and that New Zealand can join the Cameron administration in cutting any remaining foreign aid to Uganda and condemning its murderous and draconian Anti-Homosexuality Bill- especially considering the existence of widespread and pervasive Ugandan government corruption that a UK Ministry of Foreign Affairs audit uncovered in Kampala.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulL</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think what you&#039;re both pointing to is a problem with parliamentary rules.  If a motion that is raised cannot reasonably be agreed too without pre-notification, perhaps the thing to do is to change the rules so that instead of 2 seconds to object, people get 15 seconds.  Wouldn&#039;t that be a more useful change?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what you&#8217;re both pointing to is a problem with parliamentary rules.  If a motion that is raised cannot reasonably be agreed too without pre-notification, perhaps the thing to do is to change the rules so that instead of 2 seconds to object, people get 15 seconds.  Wouldn&#8217;t that be a more useful change?</p>
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		<title>By: Keeping Stock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keeping Stock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quite so Dave; it simply exposes Mr Chauvel as a cynical political game-player for whom stunts are of more importance than substance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite so Dave; it simply exposes Mr Chauvel as a cynical political game-player for whom stunts are of more importance than substance.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There were three reasons this motion was raised

1. So Charles could raise something worthwhile, knowing National would veto it.
2. He could then publicise National vetoing it, being upset that his worthwhile motion was not passed.
3. he could then say to people, including Nats,  who criticised his approach on this matter that they were sad people for not supporting his motion.  

So, it was a political stunt set up to embarrass National.  I dont think it really came off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were three reasons this motion was raised</p>
<p>1. So Charles could raise something worthwhile, knowing National would veto it.<br />
2. He could then publicise National vetoing it, being upset that his worthwhile motion was not passed.<br />
3. he could then say to people, including Nats,  who criticised his approach on this matter that they were sad people for not supporting his motion.  </p>
<p>So, it was a political stunt set up to embarrass National.  I dont think it really came off.</p>
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		<title>By: pq</title>
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		<dc:creator>pq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James Stephenson (1,262) Says: above
February 1st, 2013 at 9:24 am 
I thought the name that Idiot’s parents had originally given him was well known?
 
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/08/smears_from_no_right_turn.html#comment-729728



thanks for clearing things up Mr James]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Stephenson (1,262) Says: above<br />
February 1st, 2013 at 9:24 am<br />
I thought the name that Idiot’s parents had originally given him was well known?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/08/smears_from_no_right_turn.html#comment-729728" rel="nofollow">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/08/smears_from_no_right_turn.html#comment-729728</a></p>
<p>thanks for clearing things up Mr James</p>
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		<title>By: davidp</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What sort of imperialist is this Idiot character?  Why does he want to bully other countries and try to tell them what to do?  Didn&#039;t he learn anything from the US lecturing of NZ in 1985 that saw NZ dig its toes in over the nuclear ships issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What sort of imperialist is this Idiot character?  Why does he want to bully other countries and try to tell them what to do?  Didn&#8217;t he learn anything from the US lecturing of NZ in 1985 that saw NZ dig its toes in over the nuclear ships issue.</p>
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		<title>By: James Stephenson</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/71077.html/comment-page-1#comment-1089614</link>
		<dc:creator>James Stephenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought the name that Idiot&#039;s parents had originally given him was well known?

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/08/smears_from_no_right_turn.html#comment-729728]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the name that Idiot&#8217;s parents had originally given him was well known?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/08/smears_from_no_right_turn.html#comment-729728" rel="nofollow">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/08/smears_from_no_right_turn.html#comment-729728</a></p>
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		<title>By: tvb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tvb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chauvelv  set this as a stunt. If he wanted this motion go through he would have raised it in the business committee. Instead he did it on the spur of the moment deliberately so he could embarrass national for refusing leave. He should raise it in the business committee this week if was really serious. Bet he doesn&#039;t. It is the embarrassment he is really after.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chauvelv  set this as a stunt. If he wanted this motion go through he would have raised it in the business committee. Instead he did it on the spur of the moment deliberately so he could embarrass national for refusing leave. He should raise it in the business committee this week if was really serious. Bet he doesn&#8217;t. It is the embarrassment he is really after.</p>
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		<title>By: pq</title>
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		<dc:creator>pq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About pseudonyms
 It is very difficult to know what Farrar and the Idiot Sauvant  mean or say within this particular column, this parliament 
On the blog site of Brian Edwards there is a very serious introduction that suggests we should all
put our  real names to our words., and I  have come to the conclusion that he is right.
I use to write under a pseudonym, Peter Quixote  and here it says I am pq, but that is Farrars fault,  it is something about the system.
I like it if people can just telll me facts, I can not understand I/S, just tell us the facts, print name here I/S]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About pseudonyms<br />
 It is very difficult to know what Farrar and the Idiot Sauvant  mean or say within this particular column, this parliament<br />
On the blog site of Brian Edwards there is a very serious introduction that suggests we should all<br />
put our  real names to our words., and I  have come to the conclusion that he is right.<br />
I use to write under a pseudonym, Peter Quixote  and here it says I am pq, but that is Farrars fault,  it is something about the system.<br />
I like it if people can just telll me facts, I can not understand I/S, just tell us the facts, print name here I/S</p>
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		<title>By: James Stephenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Stephenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All in favour of buying Charles a plane ticket to Africa and a placard to enable him to do the right thing and protest properly, say &quot;aye&quot;.

May as well make that two, so Idiot can go with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All in favour of buying Charles a plane ticket to Africa and a placard to enable him to do the right thing and protest properly, say &#8220;aye&#8221;.</p>
<p>May as well make that two, so Idiot can go with.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
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		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Once upon a time I/S actually could apply intelligent analysis to a situation&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Really... That must have been a while ago. It&#039;s actually pretty easy to understand I/S... If the red team do it then it&#039;s good - if the blue team do it then it&#039;s bad. It&#039;s irrelevant what the subject is - only the colour of the players team is important. 

There is a reason why this complete apologist for red team corruption won&#039;t allow comments - none of his ranting stands the scrutiny of critical analysis....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Once upon a time I/S actually could apply intelligent analysis to a situation</p></blockquote>
<p>Really&#8230; That must have been a while ago. It&#8217;s actually pretty easy to understand I/S&#8230; If the red team do it then it&#8217;s good &#8211; if the blue team do it then it&#8217;s bad. It&#8217;s irrelevant what the subject is &#8211; only the colour of the players team is important. </p>
<p>There is a reason why this complete apologist for red team corruption won&#8217;t allow comments &#8211; none of his ranting stands the scrutiny of critical analysis&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: RRM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;...more important than &lt;b&gt;doing the right thing.&quot;&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, the regimes in hell hole African countries will surely see the error of their ways and embrace sexual / gender diversity once the New Zealand Parliament passes a motion critical of their present stance... :roll:

Kum Ba Yah, My Lord; Kum Ba Yah...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;more important than <b>doing the right thing.&#8221;</b> </p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, the regimes in hell hole African countries will surely see the error of their ways and embrace sexual / gender diversity once the New Zealand Parliament passes a motion critical of their present stance&#8230; <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Kum Ba Yah, My Lord; Kum Ba Yah&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 19:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But wait, it will get worse.  I/S ( a nickname BTW that indicates the poor fellow is trying desperately to raise his own self-esteem and failing) has increased the shrillness of his rants steadily over the time of the current Government by National and if you were to project it forward, indications are that anyone going there in the lead-up to the next election should rest their monitor on a towel or other absorbent material to catch the froth that will be visibly dribbling from it.

Best solution is to stay away ignore it and remove from the RSS stream, perhaps without oxygen it will wither and die off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But wait, it will get worse.  I/S ( a nickname BTW that indicates the poor fellow is trying desperately to raise his own self-esteem and failing) has increased the shrillness of his rants steadily over the time of the current Government by National and if you were to project it forward, indications are that anyone going there in the lead-up to the next election should rest their monitor on a towel or other absorbent material to catch the froth that will be visibly dribbling from it.</p>
<p>Best solution is to stay away ignore it and remove from the RSS stream, perhaps without oxygen it will wither and die off.</p>
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