Food prices

February 17th, 2013 at 11:52 am by David Farrar

Radio Live tweeted:

There are calls from Fight the Obesity Epidemic for the Government to act over the price of fruit and vegetables, which continue to soar.

These bunch of taxpayer funded lobbyists have been very vocal in the last few years. Whenever there is a monthly spike in , they cry that it is the end of the world. They really seem to think we have obesity because of the price of spinach.

Anyway yes fruit and vege prices jumped 3.5% in January 2013. But there is this thing known as seasons. So what you should do is compare the price of fruit and veges to other Januaries.

Now the current fruit and vege price index is at 1223, and four years ago in January 2009 it was at 1128. This means that over four years it has increased 8.4% which is equal to annual increased of 2.04% compounding.

The increase in fruit and vegetables prices over the last four years is almost identical to the overall increase in food prices (8.2% v 8.1%) and smaller than the overall level of inflation which was 9.0% over four years.

So what causes fruit and vegetable prices to go up? Inflation. Policies such as printing money and looser monetary policy settings. Will the anti obesity lobbyists target policies that are inflationary?

This is of course the last four years only. If we went back a bit further, they might have cause for complaint. In the four years from January 2005 to January 2009 fruit and vegetable prices increased a staggering 26.2%.

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65 Responses to “Food prices”

  1. swan (665 comments) says:

    Isn’t obesity caused by too much food? Aren’t fruit and veges food? I eat a lot of vegetables but my caloric intake can vary substantially depending on what I eat them with.

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  2. Mobile Michael (473 comments) says:

    I listened to Robyn Toomath in an interview with Murray Deaker on Radio Sport a month ago – the term “communist” sprang to mind, and I’m not one who labels people like that just for being moderately left of centre.

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  3. freedom101 (513 comments) says:

    There’s a saying that you are here for a good time, not a long time.

    It appears to be the role of government in New Zealand to achieve the opposite.

    I prefer to make my own choices.

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  4. Viking2 (11,672 comments) says:

    So what causes fruit and vegetable prices to go up? Inflation. Policies such as printing money and looser monetary policy settings. Will the anti obesity lobbyists target policies that are inflationary

    Not necessarily.
    Supply and Demand which are seldom constant.
    Weather. Note that apples are dearer this year because of the weather in Nelson.
    The rate of the NZ dollar.
    The dollar decides the price of imported veges so like petrol that should be on a downwards cycle.
    Costs incurred by importers at the border.
    Cost of Labour. Now that’s on an upwards cycle.
    Supermarket margins which have been increasing.
    Cost of transport which has been increasing internally but decreasing externally.
    Increasing GST. A while ago but still has an effect.

    Importantly what the seller thinks he can get from the purchaser.

    Still, fruit veges don’t necessarily make you thin. They may help as part of your overall living requirements to meet your daily energy and cell replacement needs but they are not a total answer.
    So all bullshit anyway.

    And wait. Wait until the dollar goes down and then you’se will have something to complain about.

    Same for housing.

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  5. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    Gee, a dry hot summer with the entire NI short of rain or in drought. And fruit & vege prices go up? How could that happen?

    This is almost as scandalous as lettuce being more expensive in July.

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  6. tristanb (1,127 comments) says:

    DPF:

    These bunch of taxpayer funded lobbyists…

    Once the National Party is elected they’ll put a stop to the funding of all these lobbyists and their hobby-horses.

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  7. Redbaiter (10,398 comments) says:

    “I listened to Robyn Toomath in an interview with Murray Deaker on Radio Sport a month ago – the term “communist” sprang to mind, and I’m not one who labels people like that just for being moderately left of centre.”

    Too many people are too cowardly to use the term when it should be.

    This is just another symptom of the speech and thought control strategies the left have so successfully employed over the decades.

    They’ve been gladly assisted by a completely useless right (so called).

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  8. wiseowl (974 comments) says:

    Being involved in the industry I can say that Viking summed it up pretty well.
    Every time the minimum wage goes up it has a flow on effect and as well the supermarkets make huge markups on fruit and veg.

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  9. rightoverlabour (132 comments) says:

    and who was in government for most of this period? Not that sensible governments should ever interfere in market forces.

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  10. bringbackdemocracy (429 comments) says:

    Why are so many beneficiaries overweight?
    The simple solution would be to reduce benefits.

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  11. kowtow (8,936 comments) says:

    Why don’t fat ,lazy bastards grow their own veges? Their grand parents ,who weren’t fat did.Fruit in season is dead cheap too.
    And keeping a garden would help with the calories.

    No no no, we have to have some wowser blame prices for fat lazy bastards’ predicaments.

    Even if fruit and veg were dirt cheap these fat lazy bastards would still be piling in the Coke and cakes ,so as far as I’m concerned the fat bastard and their wowser mates can fuck off. Go away and stop taking up expensive hospital beds and dialysis etc,just fuck off and control your own lives.

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  12. Reid (16,683 comments) says:

    They should do an experiment and offer people a free bunch of raw vegetables or a pie or cup of chips and see what they take.

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  13. Harriet (5,200 comments) says:

    Good post DPF.

    But how do they define ‘fresh’ ?

    And how significant is ‘fresh’ opposed to say frozen ?

    Watties canneries in Canterbury can process, package and freeze peas well within 24hrs of being harvested.[from memory I think it is 15hrs….that has been reported in the media before….probably the ch-ch Press].

    Anyway, ‘fresh food’ in supermarkets can be on the shelf for 3-4 days before sold – even cheap fruit an veg.[here in QLD]

    My father back in NZ has eaten tinned fruit, stewed apples & homemade marmalade with his cereal and toast for breakfast for 70+ years. His doctor said he’s in A1 health.

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  14. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    Greens & other AGW alarmists want heavy punitive taxes placed on food producers. The so called “fart tax” is but one example. If we let these people near the levers of power, expect things to get much worse and food to be even less affordable.

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  15. Harriet (5,200 comments) says:

    “…..Why don’t fat ,lazy bastards grow their own veges? Their grand parents ,who weren’t fat did.Fruit in season is dead cheap too…….And keeping a garden would help with the calories….”

    Because kowtow…..last week the Greens voters wanted to ‘get back to nature and a healthy, chemical free lifestyle’, and this afternoon they want to ‘go to countdown’ or maccas or eat nothing.

    And that is what large volume fresh food retailers have to price their fresh stock on – variable factors.

    It’s all now about ‘choice’ for the Left kowtow…..nothing else at all……no thinking…..no planning…..no committees…just choice!

    Oh…hang on…. :cool:

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  16. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Swan: Isn’t obesity caused by too much food? Aren’t fruit and veges food? I eat a lot of vegetables but my caloric intake can vary substantially depending on what I eat them with.

    Swan…no….obesity is caused by homones,especially insulin reacting with carbohydrates to pack fat cells to their limits and beyond. Its a disorder. Forget the calorie in/out myth and scale weight. The up to date medical science strongly confirms that people aren’t getting fatter beacuse they overeat and are sedentary….they get into those habits because they are getting fatter in the first place…thanks to their bodies being mis-programmed that way. Look up “Why we get Fat” by science writer Gary Taubes. If you are interseted in weight issues,nutrition or type 2 diabetes you neee dto read him…brilliant and it will expand your mind on these topics…fascinating.

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  17. swan (665 comments) says:

    So, The Scorned, what is it about the developed world that has caused this hormone problem to manifest itself over the last few decades? I will look at Taubes.

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  18. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    Swan…no….obesity is caused by homones,especially insulin reacting with carbohydrates to pack fat cells to their limits and beyond. Its a disorder. Forget the calorie in/out myth and scale weight.

    Bullshit.

    If you can prove your statement, then you are in line for a Nobel prize. You can also build a car that requires no fuel, or at the very least, a car that goes further the less fuel you put in it. Essentially you claim infinite energy from nothingness.

    Here is something interesting you may like.

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  19. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    Sorry here is the link:

    Sugar: The Bitter Truth

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

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  20. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    http://www.yourefatbecauseyourestupid.com/

    Some reality:

    “The Thin People around you didn’t get “lucky”!

    This is actually something I find extremely offensive, when fat people chide me for watching my diet. “Oh, you don’t have to worry about your weight!” they’ll say to me if I turn down sweets or extra portions. Guess what you fucking fatty, I’m not fat BECAUSE I “worry about my weight”. I ran 20 miles this week. I made a healthy lunch and brought it to work every day. What did you do? Oh, you sat on your ass and stuffed your mouth full of food, that’s right. And then you have the nerve to tell me that I’m fit because I got lucky.

    When my body fat percent goes up a couple percentage points I adjust my diet. That way I always stay where I want to be. It’s like balancing your checkbook. If you just write checks willynilly you’re going to overdraw your account. You’re doing the same thing by paying no attention to how much weight you’re packing on while eating whatever you want. Don’t fuck yourself up by your own doing then discount my own hard work. It’s insulting.”

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  21. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    the scorned- you are taking the piss I hope. fat bastards are fat because they put too much in their gobs. I lost six kilos since xmas purely by no morning out afternoon teas, long blacks and no round of cheese after dinner, and walking one to two hours st night, I heave yet to see a fat marathon runner whose hormones are
    are playing up

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  22. Viking2 (11,672 comments) says:

    The hormones are playing up because the body has developed the wrong message pathways. It does because the wrong foods get eaten. The body learns not to consume the calories but to store them. Grapefruit juice is good for changing that. There are some other citrus products that will also change your metabolism.
    Change the foods and the excersise and it will correct it self mostly.

    Never seen a fat competitive cyclist either as the energy is burnt up by the high metabolic rate needed to cycle vigourously.
    Fat people should be made to ride their bikes.

    Nah fuck that, they would become a road hazard and then Nasska would up his road kill.

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  23. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    Ever single bit of fat on our bodies came through our mouths.

    Get your head around that simple fact fatties. You do not have a “condition” or a disease.

    If you want to lose weight then do what David has done. Exercise and diet changes.

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  24. davidp (3,585 comments) says:

    How expensive are fresh fruit and vegetables going to be once the Labour-Greens-NZ First-Mana coalition is in government, and we’re paying a $24 living wage to the European backpackers doing the picking while they’re on their holidays?

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  25. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    @davidp,

    Don’t be such a doom & gloom merchant! Don’t you recall? – they’re going to remove GST from fresh fruit and veges…

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  26. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    Never seen a fat competitive cyclist either as the energy is burnt up by the high metabolic rate needed to cycle vigourously.

    Actually I think you’ll find the primary reason they are not fat is that they are determined and disciplined.

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  27. davidp (3,585 comments) says:

    bhudson… But on the other hand, Norman wants to devalue our currency to restore manufacturing jobs. That means NZ workers being competitive with Chinese workers. How much food will we be able to buy when we’re earning 24 Norman dollars an hour, but that is the equivalent of today’s 50 cents? You might need to save all week to afford a GST-free banana.

    Oh, and I thought the reason competitive cyclists aren’t fat is because they all take steroids.

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  28. MT_Tinman (3,315 comments) says:

    kowtow (3,702) Says:
    February 17th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
    Why don’t fat ,lazy bastards grow their own veges? Their grand parents ,who weren’t fat did.Fruit in season is dead cheap too.

    This fat, lazy bastard does grow his own vegetables.

    My grand parents were half and half, one half fat, one half skinny.

    The fat bastards lived both longer and always seemed (to me) to be happier.

    To complete the post you pious prick I’ve worked fucking hard all my life and paid some horrendous taxes during that time (I still bloody do – I’m home early to complete yet another bloody GST return) and I’ve well and truely paid for the medical expenses my fat old age will bring.

    Up yours!

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  29. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    @davidp,

    That is because you are using the laissez faire, market forces logic which has been proven to be so dreadfully wrong. Russel will have decreed that bananas can only be sold for 50 Nando-cents. And we all know that there are a squillion Nando-cents to the Norman dollar.

    So not only will bananas be cheaper than they have ever been in human history, but everyone will be incredibly rich with oodles and oodles of Norman dollars.

    (Except the rich, who will be taxed at 98%, because anything less would be regressive.)

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  30. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    As for the steroids, that is so pre-Norman reign dude. They are for show ponies who want to bulk up. Cyclists use special chemical juice to go faster while being smaller and lighter. And also blood transfusions, because that has been done so long in medicine, it’s like natural, you know?

    And everyone is doing it. So it’s not cheating. It’s not getting an advantage over others. No, it’s leveling the playing field, you know? Like making it the same for everyone. So it’s actually fair. Yes, that’s it. Drug taking in cycling is all about fair play.

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  31. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Kea and others…sorry but Its YOU who are wrong….the ACTUAL medical science in existence proves it. Cals in/out is debunked….its the effect of the hormone insulin with Carbs to produce fatter cells….meaning it IS a specific medical condition re growth hormones gone arry and NOT a weakness of character at all. Read Taubes and get up to speed. He deals with that mistaken idea with many historical examples and science that disprove it. I have seen Lustigs vid before…it all ties in.

    Also watch the doco “Fathead” on Youtube….a brillaint counter to Morgan Spurlocks BS “Supersize me”….and it shows the reasoning and facts behind low carb and Taubes case.

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  32. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    https://www.facebook.com/whywegetfat?ref=ts&fref=ts

    Ever single bit of fat on our bodies came through our mouths.

    And it comes in the form of sugar and carbohydrates….which a misfiring body with hormone issues turns into body fat via insulin.

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  33. Harriet (5,200 comments) says:

    MY Tinman #

    “……To complete the post you pious prick I’ve worked fucking hard all my life and paid some horrendous taxes during that time (I still bloody do – I’m home early to complete yet another bloody GST return) and I’ve well and truely paid for the medical expenses my fat old age will bring.
    Up yours!….”

    I know where you are coming from……

    We DID all pay our general taxes + extra smoke and alcohol taxes, so that when we become sick we could rightfully go to hospital. As hospitals are for sick people. Now the health professionals hate us.

    Now we have those in government who think that hospital should only be for healthy people, those who don’t drink, don’t smoke, eat little fat, sugar, meat and processed foods. People who also exercise.

    However some of the money we pay is still spent on those who want abortions & sex changes. Some plastic surgery. Yet these people arn’t on the ‘hate’ list. Only us are on it -the ones who pay the most towards it: Smokers and drinkers.

    And soon some of YOUR money is going to be spent on killing people.

    The next generation will pay fat tax, suger tax, meat tax, red cordial tax, resist climbing trees as kids, drive at ever slower speeds, live in disinfected homes and workplaces – all apparently in the belief that they won’t need hospitals. Ever. Other than for being killed in.

    But as they’ll eventually learn -just before the government kills them- that nothing has changed, the taxes they pay are for other people – the healthy ones.

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  34. Viking2 (11,672 comments) says:

    bhudson (3,290) Says:
    February 17th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Never seen a fat competitive cyclist either as the energy is burnt up by the high metabolic rate needed to cycle vigourously.

    Actually I think you’ll find the primary reason they are not fat is that they are determined and disciplined.
    —————————

    That too.
    Still don’t recall many fatties that rode bikes to school in my early days. Few people owned cars and most Mum’s certainly didn’t.
    Can only recall one guy who was in the over weight category.

    Get on ya bike’s ya lazy sods.

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  35. Mary Rose (393 comments) says:

    The Scorned >.meaning it IS a specific medical condition

    a strange medical condition that curiously only affects people in affluent societies, started out in the US then spread, and only popped into being circa 1980.

    Eat better, exercise more. Sorted.

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  36. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Mary Rose…wrong. Much of what we think we know about the history of weight gain and western cultures is simply myth. Did you know that in 1920’s America there were many obses children…especially amounst the most poorest familys,,> Why? Read Taubes to find out.

    Never seen a fat competitive cyclist either as the energy is burnt up by the high metabolic rate needed to cycle vigourously.

    Actually I think you’ll find the primary reason they are not fat is that they are determined and disciplined.

    Nope…cause and effect in reverse. Taubes expalins that these people are the flipside to the obese ones as their bodies are working as they should be and realeasing consumed energy which then leads them to engage in those sort of energy intensive activities as a default consequence…they “feel” the overwhelming need to burn it. The obese peoson meanwhile has the problem that their body is working to store the energy in fat cells rather than releasing it for use by the rest of the body. The problem works much the way a cancer tumour acts…its sucks up all the fuel to the detriment of the whole body as a whole…The fat person is trapped in a horrible cycle of eating food which is snatched by the fat cells and stored…leaving the rest of the body feeling staved and calling out for more food….which again is snatched and stored as more body fat…and on it goes. The key to breaking this cycle is to change the incoming fuel source to fats and protein…and stopping the input of fat making carbs and sugars.

    In Taubes words….”We don’t get fatter because we are overeating and sedentary….we overeat and become more sedentary BECAUSE we are firstly getting fatter”…

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  37. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    The Scorned, more bullshit.

    Every bit of fat on your body came through your mouth. There is no other way to get fat. Are you seriously suggesting fatties will continue to get fat, if they stop eating ?

    If your fat, it is because you eat too much. The definition of “too much” is taking in more energy than you burn. I have yet to see people living on a bowl of rice a day getting fat because their “hormones” are playing up !

    Every single fatty I have ever seen, eats a lot and makes bad food choices. Trying to paint them as victims of a “condition” is designed to remove personal responsibility from them and blame things that are beyond their control. The rubbish your speaking has been concocted to make fat people with low self esteem feel better about their self imposed condition. I have nothing against fatties, but stop the bullshit.

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  38. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    There are many examples that Taubes cites that show cals in/out doesn’t explain weight gain. Various historic studies on Tribes and cultures show that even within biological familys the incidence of obesity is individualised and that hormones are the cause. There are multiple examples of obese Mothers with skinny malnourished children that can’t be explained by claiming the mother is eating at the expense of the child. It was the introduction of the “white poisons” of flour,sugar etc to native cultures that encouraged the inncidence of this sort of thing happening. Its a fascinating topic that is far more complex than simply thinking its all due to an energy imbalance.

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  39. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Its you who is spouting debunked junk science Kea. Starvation doesn’t work as a permanent and long term solution to obesity ….go read the book and watch Fathead”…explains it all.

    You are still mis applying the law of themodynamics….it doesn’t mean what you think it does in this case.

    You are just advocating the same old,and wrong moralist ideas re weight gain. The fact is its been known for hundreds of years that it is in fact carbs and sugar that puts weight on…but WW2 caused much of this accepted European knowledge to be lost and replaced by the American idea that its cals in and moral failing that is reponsible….nope.

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  40. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    Getting fat is like anything else, it requires dedication and work. ALL of the fatties I work with eat at their desk and drink gallons of diet Coke. NONE of the healthy weight people eat at their desk or drink diet coke.

    In order to get fat you can not get by on three meals a day. No way. You must stuff your face constantly and you must be careful to eat specially selected foods designed to pack on the lard. Ordinary foods are not up to the task. If you ate the traditional meat, potatoes and veges, you will not achieve obesity. And no…. potatoes will not make you fat, nor will other carbs, unless you really force feed yourself.

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  41. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    “You are still mis applying the law of themodynamics”

    I think you will find your theory of infinite energy from a finite fuel may contradict common sense the laws of thermodynamics.

    If you feel shit about your weight then stop crying into your KFC Family Pack of fried chicken and do as David has done. Get of your arse and exercise. It will also help with the hormones and appetite issues.

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  42. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Until we know exactly what Davids eating the points moot. If hes dropped carbs out to a decent degree then that will be the main cause of his body fat loss…scientific fact makes it so.It will also be helping him energy wise which will motivate his body to make fuel availible which inturn energies him to do vigorous things. Having said that exercise is NOT a very good solution for weight loss…its good for other things sure…but evidence shows for the buring off of body fat…no. Taubes proves this too.

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  43. MT_Tinman (3,315 comments) says:

    Damned straight Kea, it takes a lot of hard work and dedication (and a fucking good wage for many many years) to become a fat bastard.

    Which is, of course, why being a fat old man (or woman) has been the sign of success for most of history.

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  44. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    The Scorned, there is some interesting findings around carbs. That video I posted talks about it.

    So does this one: Enjoy Eating Saturated Fats: They’re Good for You. Dr. Miller professor of surgery, cardiothoracic division, Univ. Washington

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  45. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Potatos DO make you fat….if you are so prone…they are long stachy fat makers and should be avoided…same with many other veges. Dark leafty green Low GI ones are far better. Most fruit also should be avoided as its fructose sugar rich…hence the sweetness…which is what they have been bred to produce over thousabnds of years.

    If you are prone to obesity by your mal functioning hormones then eat whole meats, most nuts,eggs,creame,butter,fish, fowl,low GI veges and fruit like certain berries….and you will…1) stop the body fat accumultion process by starving insulin of material in the form of carbs to make fill fat cells with…and 2) Satiate your appitite far sooner as fat is more filling anyway…so you get a 1-2 knockout blow in on weight gain.

    Do it and your blood work will prove the benefits…as will your reducing waist line.

    Anyway…my case is all there as presented by Taubes.

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  46. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    The Scorned, why has this “hormone” problem only popped up recently and only in affluent societies?

    Why was there no obesity epidemic when people mostly ate carbs with very few veges or protein ?

    Why is there no “hormone” obesity problem in societies that eat very high carb diets ?

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  47. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    It hasn’t….its that its only been more recognised today since people like Taubes have been investigating and challenging the medical assumptions that have been taken as gospel….

    Your other questions are based on false assumptions….Our long dead human ancestors in fact ate mainly meat and fat…veges and fruits were very rare…and indeed considered “stavation rations”. One African tribes word for stavation traslated to “when we have to eat plants”.

    Read the book….all answered…with facts.

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  48. Kea (13,554 comments) says:

    The Scorned. For a long time people had very little meat in their diet. Mostly rice, wheat, corn etc They did not get fat.

    This is still the case in much of the world. Your claims do not match with observation. However, I do agree much of what you say and there are some interesting findings being made. But just the same… all the fat on our body came through our mouths.

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  49. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    To your last point yes…it does. But its not simply the amount of calories going in…its the composition of the carbs…their source and how the individuals body via their homones and especially insulin reacts to it.

    To your first point….no….way way back at the beginning it was mainly fat and protein….agriculture came way later….and refined, easily digestable carbs came way later still. One of Taubes main points is that we may still be too early in human evolution to have adapted fully to this recently new addition to our diets in the form of easily digestable sugar and carbs.

    If you really want to check out my position out then go here and interact…lots of low carb expertise that will answer your questions more fully.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/36732173803/?ref=ts&fref=ts

    Also keep an eye on Taubes new research iniatitive, NSI….he wants to fund and carry out the definitive tests to prove once and for all what does cause obesity…the test that to this date suprisingly haven’t actually been done.

    http://www.rwjf.org/en/blogs/human-capital-blog/2013/02/researching_the_trig.html?cid=xtw_humancap

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  50. Stuart (41 comments) says:

    Bit late here but anyway, what is the rise in cost of coke and the likes?

    All off memory, so it may be off: 7 or 8 years ago:
    I remember $1 cans of coke, now its often $2 (vending machine/singles)
    A 600mL coke range was $1.80, now its $3.50 minimum.
    1.5/2.25L im not sure what they used to be.

    I would say that price rise hasn’t stopped anyone, but it stopped me, I usually choose something else. It hasn’t stopped plenty of others though.

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  51. Steve (North Shore) (4,536 comments) says:

    Just about any food will make you fat if you sit on your arse and do nothing but eat.

    The input hole is bigger than the output hole – it is that simple

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  52. Steve (North Shore) (4,536 comments) says:

    A little bottle of Keri Orange was $4 today Stu

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  53. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Steve…nope….you can sit on your arse and eat staturated fats and protein to your satisfaction and you will not get fatter….because insulin doesn’t convert them into body fat and store it as it can do with sugar and carbs. Different calorie containing food materials have different properties and insulin can only react with certain ones to make fat with.

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  54. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Besides weight loss going low carb also has many side benefits….often leading to the reduction or total elimination of aliments like…joint pain, back pain, period pain,drowsiness,flatulance,poor sleep, snoring,asthma, allergies, acne….Heart disease is a major one which is totally due to inflamation caused by carbs/small LDL cholesterol and maybe even a cancer halting property as its becoming clearer that tumours are using sugars as fuel so reducing them in the diet starves the tumour and retards its growth. Altzhiemers also….now being referred to by some as “Type 3 diabetes”….The plaque that forms on the brain being formed as artery plaque is ….from carbs.

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  55. gump (1,683 comments) says:

    @The Scorned

    If carbs were the primary cause of obesity, we would expect to see a lot of fat people in South East Asia – where the diet is predominantly rice.

    But we don’t see obesity in those areas.

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  56. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Gump…thats a common misconception. Asians in fact eat a lot more chicken,pork and fish than they do rice.

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  57. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Sugar is now also far more widely consumed across Asia too…and obesity rates have risen as a result…Japan has more obese children…and China has had a near epidemic since its “one child” policy kicked in…The easier to digest carb heavy foods coming from the West have resulted in greater rates of obesity in Asia….as it did in native tribes in America and Africa when the same thing occured.

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  58. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Asians have also had far far longer to biologically evolve to deal with carbs in rice….a point Taubes makes re Western peoples and their shorter history of agricultural production of carb rich foods….and the recently late inclusion in their diets of refined easily digestable carb rich foods.

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  59. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    Why are so many beneficiaries overweight?
    The simple solution would be to reduce benefits.

    I bucked that trend. I was overweight for the last 11-14 years and lost 16-18kg while on the dole. Had the time to read about calories and human body and obsess about losing weight.

    I’m now around 80kg at 6’0″… awesome!! Lots of time and energy to go running on the dole… 20kms this morning… yeehaa!!

    Why are so many benos fat fucks? Fat brown fucks usually. Why are brown people all morbidly obese? What the hell do they eat in a day to get like that?

    I would say that they are just so fucking stupid and retarded that they simply don’t know any better.

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  60. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    Cals in/out is debunked

    Is this person trying to rival Penny Bright for biggest fucktard posting on KB?

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  61. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    stavation rations”. One African tribes word for stavation traslated to “when we have to eat plants”.

    Jesus- can’t get it right even with a keyboard? Thanks for playing- fuck off with your Taubes BS

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  62. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    From Kea:

    This is actually something I find extremely offensive, when fat people chide me for watching my diet

    Snap

    Guess what you fucking fatty, I’m not fat BECAUSE I “worry about my weight”.

    Snap

    I ran 20 miles this week.

    Snap. Except I’m running 70km per week currently.

    When my body fat percent goes up a couple percentage points I adjust my diet.

    That’s a bit Americanese speech pattern sounding… yeurgh

    It’s like balancing your checkbook

    whoa… Kea.. are you a yank? It’s *cheque* in NZ. And I’m more used to people saying ‘to go into overdraft’ than ‘to overdraw oneself’. The former is a more common usage I’m sure.

    But anyway… forget that bullshit… a lot of what you say there mate… it’s like I’m reading about myself, and that’s quite interesting to me.

    I just told a bloke I know that I’d had enough of him. He effectively called me a hard drinking anorexic hermit. None of which is true. This man is such a retard that he sees no problem with his own weight at 5’9″ and 105kg… even though he’s heavily pregnant and fat-faced. He actually said ‘I’m in control of my weight, thank you’. I said ‘what, controlling your weight at obesity levels?’ Fucking idiot. I don’t drink and I’ve been out into town more times in the last four months than I did in the previous two years before that. Fucking idiot. He’s goneburger!! Fat cunt…. ha!!

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  63. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    People are fat fucks because the sad truth about humans is that we need

    Fuck. All.

    Calories to survive…. hahahahahahaha…… !!!!!!!!

    We live in this modern food utopia where there’s endless yummy cheap costing shit that you can stuff in your mush…. and guess what?

    You don’t need any of it!! Nothing….

    So you make a choice… do I eat all of this nice tasting crap and have a beauty rotund family car number of spare tyres, or do I go without and have some semblance of a humanoid shaped outline?

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  64. Left Right and Centre (3,007 comments) says:

    from kowtow

    Why don’t fat ,lazy bastards grow their own veges?

    Because they’re fat and lazy?

    Gardening is hard hard work man.

    Also: A lot of townies live in apartments or flats or units or townhouses and they don’t know what the fuck spare land is.

    Or they live in houses that fit the property footprint. Or don’t want to give up what little garden they have to veg patches.

    And it’s just not worth it. Who’s going to spend hours and hours tending a veg patch? That’s manual labour and a lot of people will avoid that at all costs. It’s beneath them. You might get your hands dirty. Townies. They dream of *not* having the quarter acre. Because they’d have to pay Jim’s Mowing to come and do the lawns.

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  65. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    LRC….if you want to remain an ignorant cunt be my guess…..I guess facts and science hurt your tiny brain huh….?

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