General Debate 11 February 2013

February 11th, 2013 at 8:00 am by David Farrar
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  1. flipper (3,947 comments) says:

    STUFF, February 11. reports [a load of bollocks]:
    “Andy Earl, 41, of Mosgiel, has pleaded not guilty to charges of careless driving causing death and careless driving causing Allan Hubbard’s death 16 months ago, injury to Mr Hubbard’s wife, Jean. Mr Hubbard died as a result of a crash on State Highway One at Hilderthorpe, about 8 kilometres north of Oamaru, on September 2, 2011.
    “On Friday, the Oamaru District Court registrar confirmed [Mr] Earl is to appear in court on Wednesday in order to determine when a hearing will be held.
    “We have been liaising with police and defence to set a date. It will probably be in June or July, when the judge is free for four days.” The hearing had been set down for December but police requested an adjournment.
    “At the time Oamaru Police detective sergeant Dan Keno said prosecution and police needed more time to complete inquiries. A prosecution review had identified “a couple of matters” that needed looking into.
    “[Mr.] Earl was charged in February last year. “
    ………….
    What a load of bollocks.
    If Police had evidence to charge Mr Earl (is he the former All Black?) in February 2012, then they should NOT NEED MORE TIME 12 months later “to complete inquiries.”
    He has a BOR’s right to a speedy trial. Yeah right. :) Throw out the case and charge Police with malfeasance. :)
    This is simply a cased of Police over-reach and classic abuse of State powers. In the meantime, Mr Earl’s life is on hold. By the bye, I do not know and have never met Mr Earl. And, I object to the pejorative absence of “Mr.” when Mr. Earl is mentioned by Stuff. Typical Police-Media spin.

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  2. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    I didn’t know Griff had undergone a sex-change operation and moved to the US.
    http://michellemalkin.com/2013/02/10/cnn-anchor-asteroid-global-warming/

    Lunacy to the power of 1,000.

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  3. WineOh (626 comments) says:

    @flipper, not to be a conspiracy theorist, but I wonder whether the inquiries were more around whether it was an ‘accident’ or not.

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  4. Colville (2,249 comments) says:

    “There’s evidence that a lot of young people – their early sexual experiences aren’t planned and they’re often influenced by alcohol.”

    From Stuff, who wooda thunked it…

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  5. wreck1080 (3,864 comments) says:

    The meeting with gillard appears to be a failure to me.

    I thought the treatment of kiwis in Australia would have been addressed (and should have been done so years ago).

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  6. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Will the collapse of Mainzeal be thoroughly investigated? Will Jenny Shipley’s involvement with Yan be investigated?..Not likely..Brian Gaynor has a good article in today’s Herald.

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  7. flipper (3,947 comments) says:

    WineOh,
    Well that is possible.
    If it is the Andy Earl who was a hard man in pretty good All Black and Canterbury scrums, then I I think he would have been a poor Bond, “Andy Bond.” :)

    The “C” from the SFO would have been told to shove it – with a pitch fork.

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  8. hmmokrightitis (1,582 comments) says:

    flipper:”This is simply a cased of Police over-reach and classic abuse of State powers”.

    Um, how? If the Police didnt go through a process properly, we should rightly be pissed at them. I cant comment on a year being good bad, normal or not, but it wasnt a normal situation – and yes, suicide was on the table.

    As for excluding “Mr”, thats common practice, no Police Media spin at all. But by all means keep pedaling the conspiracy theory angle with sod all evidence, its kinda fun :)

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  9. flipper (3,947 comments) says:

    Hmmmmmmmero
    No conspiracy theory from me. Learn to read little germ.

    And, little germ, go back to the BOR… the right to a speedy trial. Yeah right.
    I repeat:
    “What a load of bollocks.
    If Police had evidence to charge Mr Earl (is he the former All Black?) in February 2012, then they should NOT NEED MORE TIME 12 months later “to complete inquiries.”
    As for the pejoratives….since when did their spin make it right / :)

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  10. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Neville Key was hesitant and bereft of a coherent argument this morning on the radio.
    Weak as piss in dealing with Gillard. Taking the refugess was apparently his, not her, idea.

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  11. toms (301 comments) says:

    The real reason the Australians won’t give New Zealanders welfare rights is because they don’t like the way New Zealand is used as a back door to Australia by Asian and Indian (and three English guys I know to be fair) “New Zealanders” who can’t get into Australia on that countries immigration criteria, but can get into NZ on ours. So they come to this country with the sole intention of living here until they can become citizens then they gap it to Aussie. The solution would be to open up Australian welfare rights to all New Zealanders WHO WERE BORN IN NEW ZEALAND and reside in Australia…

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  12. Keeping Stock (10,264 comments) says:

    Another dodgy immigration decision comes back to haunt Shane Jones. Maybe he should have read all the “hundreds of letters” that went out under his name before he signed them.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/another-migrant-bites-shane-jones.html

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  13. WineOh (626 comments) says:

    toms, good point, and also has the added benefit of discouraging the number of young working age kiwis from going to Oz.

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  14. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    Whale Oil blogs about how representative democracy is flawed, and how we are run by ‘The beige dictatorship.

    There’s a simple reason for all of this – we keep leaving it to politicians to give us better democracy. They are mainly interested in giving themselves more power and they use and abuse democracy accordingly. The electoral rules get decided by politicians, Parties find ways of taking advantage of them, for funding, for self promotion, for election – and they have now even hijacked Citizen Initated Referenda process (that was useless for citizens anyway).

    Don’t expect the MMP review and the constitutional review to make much difference.

    And I think there is a simple remedy. People who want more democracy and better democratic processes need to do it themselves, not through the politicians but despite the politicians.

    I have ideas for how this can be done, a two level approach. The first level is a democratically run people’s lobby group, the second level is a means of guaging public opinion on important issues.

    The best way to make democracy work is to make it work, don’t expect politicians to do it on their own.

    I don’t want to be too specific because I invite other ideas and opinions. Who’s interested in being involved? I’ll monitor comments here or comment or contact: http://yournz.org/2013/02/11/making-democracy-work/

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  15. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    sick justice system we have

    “This includes shortened sitting hours, neither the judge nor counsel will wear gowns, the youths are entitled to a support person and are able to sit at tables rather than in the dock.”

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8608146/young-men-face-rotorua-murder-trial

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  16. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Manolo (8,978) Says:

    February 11th, 2013 at 8:25 am
    I didn’t know Griff had undergone a sex-change operation and moved to the US.
    http://michellemalkin.com/2013/02/10/cnn-anchor-asteroid-global-warming/

    Lunacy to the power of 1,000.

    Is approaching asteroid the result of global warming?

    As one commentor said “The stupid is strong in this one”.

    It does show how far things have gone with this cult following. I welcome this sort of thing, as it shows the hoax is in its dying days. We can expect increased hysteria from its followers while the truth becomes more widely known.

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  17. Lance (2,620 comments) says:

    Oh come on Kea
    One womans idiotic question does not a science statement make.

    Keep it within the bounds or you will look as silly as the people you say are silly.

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  18. snowy (107 comments) says:

    Reading the review of Seven Sharp in today’s Dom Post I experienced a sense of Deja vu. I then realised that The lefty TV reviewer seems to be using ideas taken from Kiwiblog commentators.

    For example, stating Close Up was like War and Peace compared to Seven Sharp; Use of the term “What Now for adults” etc.

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  19. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Lance (1,703) Says:

    February 11th, 2013 at 9:44 am
    Oh come on Kea
    One womans idiotic question does not a science statement make.

    I agree, but it does show how far the media will go to promote AGW theory. These are the people who present the “science” to the public. What hope is there for rational presentation of the facts from these people ?

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  20. hj (6,825 comments) says:

    “It’s the biggest migration in human history: China’s population is moving to cities so fast that by 2030, roughly one in eight people on this earth will be a resident of a Chinese city.

    That great influx is helping create the world’s largest number of slum-dwellers. Right now, China has 220 million migrant workers. These workers live without “hukou,” the permit that allows Chinese people to buy an apartment or send their children to public school. Without hukou, these workers have become second-class citizens in their own home, living in squalid rooms on the outskirts of cities, places with no heat in the winter and no cool air in the summer. They are crowded into communities with only public toilets, where rubbish piles up in heaps.

    Others live in cities’ vast underground basements, renting unventilated rooms and sleeping in shifts so more people can share a single bed. Still others live in pre-fab dormitories on factory grounds or near workplaces, or camp out in tents near construction sites. Last summer, a small village popped up alongside an apartment complex in one Beijing’s high-rent neighborhoods. Construction workers slept under Army-green tents, hung their clothes to dry alongside sidewalks, and played pingpong in the evenings.”
    ———
    However

    market forces will solve it; along with the automobile as expressed in the articles comment section:

    philbest • 2 days ago

    The western world has been through this. Read Sir Peter Hall’s “Cities of Tomorrow: An Intellectual History of Urban Planning”.

    The education of most urban planners today is unfortunately lacking
    in basic understanding of urban land markets and the relationship
    between demand, incomes, supply, and mobility. It is a pity that what
    was common knowledge at one time, has been lost, because we actually do
    need it. In Victorian times, the understanding resulted in a strong urge
    to increase mobility and increase the “supply” of land to bring urban
    land rents down. The rate of “sprawl” in radial “ribbons” adjacent to
    rail lines over several decades, was greater than that associated later
    with automobile based development, BUT it was far less effective at
    bringing urban land rents down, because the process could easily be
    captured by the land rentier class.

    Automobile based development meant that the far greater volumes of
    land in the wedge shaped gaps between the rail lines, stretching out far
    beyond the fringe as well, was suddenly part of “supply” and of course urban
    land rents fell because of that. Furthermore, much of that land was more
    efficiently located relative to the existing built-up area, than the
    supply of land extending out yet further beyond the existing rail-based
    ribbon development.

    http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2013/02/chin-expert-china-fast-approaching-urban-disaster/4634/

    pity about climate change (glaciers, rivers, food and all that) it’s the last brick that doesn’t complete the square.

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  21. hmmokrightitis (1,582 comments) says:

    Dearest flipper, why not debate the points I made instead of resorting to idiotic name calling – or is debate beyond you?

    I say again: flipper:”This is simply a cased of Police over-reach and classic abuse of State powers”.

    You make the statement with no backing whatsoever – yes, a year is a year – but compared to what? Is it a long time in cmparison to others? I dont know. Do you? How is it abuse? How have the Police over reached?

    I suspect given how quick you were to resort to childish name calling you dont like debating facts, but would rather shout meaningless unsubstantiated drivel. But feel free to prove me wrong.

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  22. graham (2,328 comments) says:

    Just got sent this by email :)

    The Pope and Titiwhai Harawera are on the same stage at Waitangi in front of a huge crowd.

    The Pope leans towards Titwhai and says, “Do you know that with one little wave of my hand I can make every person in this crowd go wild with joy? This joy will not be a momentary display, but will go deep into their hearts and they’ll forever speak of this day and rejoice!”

    Titiwhai replied, “I seriously doubt that! With one little wave of your hand?….Show me!”

    So the Pope backhanded her and knocked her off the stage!

    AND THE CROWD ROARED & CHEERED WILDLY and there was happiness throughout the land!

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  23. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    €200 BILLION FOR GREEN LOBBY

    European heads of state and government have agreed to commit at least 20 percent of the entire European Union budget over the next seven years to climate-related spending. The seven-year budget was agreed at 960 billion euros.

    http://www.thegwpf.org/brussels-control-e250-billion-green-lobby/

    Keep that alarm going boys, we’re on the gravy train now.

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  24. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Insider information brought about his downfall: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276139/David-Petraeus-CIA-directors-bodyguards-exposed-affair-Paula-Broadwell-claims-Benghazi-The-Definitive-Report.html#axzz2KVQpNCmp

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  25. emmess (1,420 comments) says:

    I am not sure how to answer the poll on the main page about the party I would least like to see in parliament

    Is it the party furthermost away from my values? That would be Mana
    Or the party which has the most realistic chance of failing to make the threshold this time thereby meaning another National led government? NZ First
    Or should I just engage in extreme wishful thinking that we would probably never have another left wing government again? Labour
    Or the party, that is comes second in all those criteria and first on average? Greens

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  26. Elaycee (4,352 comments) says:

    Another example of poor ‘reporting’ courtesy of the Hoorald last Friday and, true to form there has been no follow up piece explaining the real issues.

    On Friday the Hoorald headline screamed that Kiwi travellers were being ripped off because Wellington Airport was charging ‘too much’ for landing charges and the airlines had no option but to pass on these charges to the travelling public. On the surface, this rationale seems reasonable – until the facts are unearthed via a rudimentary search of Annual Reports / Media articles / Court Decisions etc.

    Wellington Airport (as a regulated monopoly provider) has a rate of return (broadly) determined by Treasury – and the ROR for Wellington Airport is currently set at 8.1%. So, if the Airport was valued at, for example $100M, then the ROR (using 8.1%) would be $8.1M. But if the same asset was valued at $500M, the ROR would be $40.5M and so on. So the key factor here is the value of the asset.

    A basic search shows that the airlines have been complaining about landing charges at Wellington since the 1980’s – and they even appealed the valuation methodology via the Courts (but lost). But now the Commerce Commission has questioned the valuation methodology and suggested that the travelling public is paying too much – because they disagree with the valuation methodology used at Wellington Airport. Which suggests the Commerce Commission has now become the property valuation gurus in NZ and they know better than the Courts. Go figure.

    Now, I support Air NZ – and I travel a lot. But this latest claim that Wellington Airport is ripping off the travelling public is absurd and I suspect cynically timed to coincide with the current reviews of landing charges in progress between the airlines and both Auckland and Christchurch Airports.

    But does the Hoorald delve into this? Nah.
    And do they seek the facts to support the claim of travellers being ripped off? Nah.
    All the Hoorald has done is recite the media releases from the Commerce Commission and seek the opinions of someone from Air NZ!

    We really deserve better from our media…. but I doubt we’ll get it any time soon. And yet the same Hoorald will currently be sitting around tables wondering and worrying why their readership numbers have hit another nadir….

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10864260

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  27. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    emmess – I think your dilemma sums up what’s wrong with MMP

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  28. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Impressive numbers for the Chinese economy: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-09/china-passes-u-s-to-become-the-world-s-biggest-trading-nation.html

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  29. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    emmess…

    I am not sure how to answer the poll on the main page about the party I would least like to see in parliament…

    I’m happy to see all parties in parliament, if enough people vote for them and they meet the required criteria.

    A more important question is which party or parties that it would be undesirable to have in Government. Even then there are many variables. I wouldn’t mind Greens in coalition as long as they didn’t have too much influence and they didn’t have control too much say in Finance.

    I’d be happy to see Mana in Government as long as Harawira didn’t effectively hold the balance of power.

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  30. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    krazykiwi – would you be happy with FPP with the possibility that the current Labour party was in sole charge of Government?

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  31. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

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  32. Keeping Stock (10,264 comments) says:

    Dear Penny

    Parties in Parliament who support the partial sale of a small number of SOE’s have 61 seats/votes.
    Parties in Parliament who oppose the partial sale of a small number of SOE’s have 60 seats/votes.

    It’s called democracy, and as a long-time campaigner against corruption, I would have thought that you of all people would have SUPPORTED democracy.

    Or as Michael Cullen so famously put it: “We won; you lost; eat that” :D

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  33. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Miss Dim: Have you paid your rates yet?
    You have no moral authority to speak of corruption being a free-loader.

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  34. hmmokrightitis (1,582 comments) says:

    Dear Ms BatShit,

    “2: Declaring that Mighty River Power is an unethical investment.”

    Do you actually read this shit before you post it? Really??

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  35. graham (2,328 comments) says:

    Penny Bright (A Spokesperson for the Switch Off Mercury Energy group)

    What, in the same way you’re a Spokesperson for OccupyAuckland, who have disowned you? Do they know? :)

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  36. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Technology money, big money: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100448106

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  37. KevinH (1,194 comments) says:

    Penny says:

    “How can you help? The value of a company is based on potential profits. Losing customers makes Mighty River Power (Mercury Energy) an unappealing investment.”

    1) All investments are a risk
    2) Most investors expect a return on their investment
    3) Companies are in business to make a profit.

    Keep up the good work Penny, your campaign will lower the share value which will make Mighty River a cheaper target for a takeover by a large offshore conglomerate therefore creating a situation where Mighty River will be a cheap buy with huge earning potential.
    P.S. Hopefully I can raise enough capital to jump on the cheap shares before anyone else and make a few million easy peasy.Thanks Penny.

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  39. RRM (9,770 comments) says:

    Penny I still don’t understand how you can keep talking about transparency with (presumably) a straight face when YOU still won’t declare who YOUR anonymous benefactors are….?

    :arrow:Pay your rates, then you might appear credible on Auckland Council matters. ATM you’re not a ratepayer, just a leech.

    :arrow:Declare who it was that paid you that $10,000, then you can talk about John Banks without looking like a dirty stinking hypocrite.

    :arrow:Get rid of that stupid beret. No wonder no-one voted for you, you look ridiculous.

    :arrow:Are Occupy Auckland your friends again now? I thought they weren’t having a bar of you…?

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  40. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Graham – I have never, EVER claimed to be a Spokesperson for Occupy Auckland.

    Because I have been very active, and arguably effective in helping to expose how Auckland Council is a ‘Supercity for the 1%’ – there have been a number of attempts made to defame me, attack and undermine me and the work that I do.

    If you are relying on ‘occupy savvy’ – the website of Suzette Maree Dawson – for information about me, I politely recommend you exercise some caution…………………..

    I was an Appellant, following on from being a ‘Named Respondent’ in the above-mentioned Occupy Auckland vs Auckland Council court case, and defended myself.

    In order to get your facts straight Graham – I suggest you read the legal documents which I have submitted and are currently before the High Court, and are available for perusal on the above-mentioned website.

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/OCCUPY-AUCKLAND-APPEAL-APPLICATION-BY-APPELLANT-BRIGHT-TO-ADDUCE-NEW-EVIDENCE-pdf.pdf

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
    Auckland Mayoral candidate 2010
    Auckland Mayoral candidate 2013

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  41. Yvette (2,763 comments) says:

    In the interests of openness, transparency and democratic accountability –

    Penny Bright
    convicted ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    defeated Auckland Mayoral candidate 2010
    
defeated Auckland Mayoral candidate 2013

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  42. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    “I have never, EVER claimed to be a Spokesperson for Occupy Auckland.”

    http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-Hysterical-scenes-during-arrest-of-Occupy-protestor-Penny-Bright/tabid/423/articleID/240742/Default.aspx

    Hmm… Someone’s lying….

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  43. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    errr….. I was privately LOANED $10,000 – which was subsequently repaid, after Auckland Citizens and Ratepayers Now tried to bankrupt me, after ten of us challenged the 2001 Auckland City Council election.

    That’s another LONG story in the fight for ‘open, transparent and democratically-accountable’ local government…..

    Don’t YOU (anonymous) RRM – want to know exactly where your rates monies are being spent?

    Or maybe you’re a consultant or contractor (or agent )?

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
    Auckland Mayoral candidate 2010
    Auckland Mayoral candidate 2013

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  44. RRM (9,770 comments) says:

    Occupy Auckland – latest participants in the big money, big government, corrupt right wing conspiracy to discredit our Penny and keep her down:

    http://links.occupythebanks.com/d65f0d43cf7a0ce1/?web=c220b7&dst=http%3A//occupysavvy.com/2012/11/05/penny-bright-fails-to-co-opt-occupy-auckland-again/

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  45. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    In this episode, Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert discuss the Brits offended by the horsemeat in their burgers and yet silent on the disgusting black holes of toxic debts inside taxpayer owned banks. In the second half of the show, Max Keiser talks to Pulitzer award winning journalist, Jesse Eisinger of ProPublica.org about big banks like Wells Fargo using accounting tricks very similar to those used by Enron, including off balance sheet entities, black box trading, black box loans and black hole financing.

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  46. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    15-Year-Old Invents Cancer Test 100 TIMES MORE SENSITIVE & 28 TIMES CHEAPER than Current Tests

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/15-year-old-invents-cancer-test-100-times-more-sensitive-28-times-cheaper-than-current-tests-video/

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  47. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    You see Kiwibloggers – you can get people who infiltrate activist groups – pretending to be activists – who are actually working for the Police?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8285326/Police-spy-sues-for-mental-pain

    In my considered view – if you get people who come from nowhere, with no previous proven track record as activists – who make a beeline for controlling the activist group’s message, or means of getting the activist group’s message out (by controlling the administration of facebook pages /websites etc) BEWARE!!!

    Especially if one of their main functions is to spread misinformation, cause in-fighting, and try to discredit those who are actually being effective.

    The commonsense thing to – is google their name and see what comes up?

    Through ‘Whois’ – you can find out who controls various websites.

    Guess it’s called ‘due diligence’ – as it were?

    Good to see so many Kiwiblog goldfish biting!

    You have a LOVELY day – you’ve certainly helped to make mine :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
    Auckland Mayoral candidate 2010
    Auckland Mayoral candidate 2013

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  48. RRM (9,770 comments) says:

    PLEEEEEEEEZ come back Penny!

    We LUFFS you! :mrgreen:

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  50. dime (9,799 comments) says:

    so many shit heads in one thread..

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  51. RRM (9,770 comments) says:

    Ooh look – another website all about Penny Bright’s enemies, with Penny Bright’s face at the top. In this case it’s Occupy Auckland.

    (But oh no, you’ve never tried to co-opt their name and online presence for the purposes of your own attention seeking. Oh no.)

    Please excuse me while I pore over each and every word of it.

    :neutral: No, not really.

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  52. graham (2,328 comments) says:

    Penny says: “Graham – I have never, EVER claimed to be a Spokesperson for Occupy Auckland.”

    Now that MAY be true. I haven’t the time to trawl through every one of your inane comments to find the exact words “I, Penny Bright, am a spokesperson for Occupy Auckland”.

    But … even if those exact words have not been spoken, it is undeniable that you HAVE represented Occupy Auckland. At least, that’s what the General Assembly minutes show.

    http://occupyauckland.wordpress.com/ga-minutes/

    CONFIRMED by consensus: “Occupy Auckland will continue to work with the Tamaki Housing Group and Penny Bright will continue to be the Occupy Auckland ‘liaison person’

    As agreed by the OCCUPY AUCKLAND GENERAL ASSEMBLY on Wednesday 15 February 2012, Penny, on behalf of Occupy Auckland took the following proposal (passed by unanimous consensus at the Occupy Auckland GA, Sunday 12 February 2012), to the above-mentioned ‘AOTEAROA IS NOT FOR SALE’ PUBLIC MEETING …

    GA agreed that Penny, on behalf of Occupy Auckland to take the following proposal (passed by unanimous consensus at the Occupy Auckland GA, Sunday 12 February 2012), to the above-mentioned ‘AOTEAROA IS NOT FOR SALE’ PUBLIC MEETING …

    New members of the Occupy Auckland Media Team now include Marc, Kathy, Kereru, Tanya and Penny.

    Are these lies, spread by a small number of “infiltrators”? Well, according to the minutes, all of the above statements were

    AGREED BY CONSENSUS OF THOSE WHO WERE PRESENT AT THAT MEETING TO BE A TRUE AND ACCURATE ACCOUNT

    Hmmm … who to believe? Penny … or everybody else? Decisions, decisions …

    Have a LOVELY day! :)

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  53. stigie (1,060 comments) says:

    Penny Dim, after all these years not paying your rates, i cannot understand why the Auckland City Council has not cut off your sewage and water. “why”. Also are you paying your power bill or are you using candles and a gas bottle for cooking ?

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  54. Nookin (3,264 comments) says:

    “Graham – I have never, EVER claimed to be a Spokesperson for Occupy Auckland.”

    Really?

    http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Bright_Penny_318633218.aspx

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  55. chiz (1,133 comments) says:

    Kea:I agree, but it does show how far the media will go to promote AGW theory.

    I don’t think she was promoting AGW. I think she was just completely clueless. Scientific illiteracy is quite common unfortunately.

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  56. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Nah see? Lenn and his cronies want to put a walk and cycle bridge under the Auckland bridge, instead of that just make it a moped twin lane bridge. Not everyone works in the cdb, more money down the toilet.

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  57. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Miss Dim, Nookin’s post has proven you are nothing but a compulsive, pathological liar.
    Shame on you for being an unabashed loafer and freeloader.

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  58. chiz (1,133 comments) says:

    From RRM’s link:

    In another brilliant showing of respect for democracy, Penny completely ignored the G.A. rules that it must approve all funds before they are released (over $100) by usurping the last $200+ in the bank account, without G.A. approval, ostensibly with the help of “Chris Glen” who was on the finance committee and was also a bank signatory.

    She wanted it for “phone bills”… despite the Media Team she spent months trying to depose never having been reimbursed by Occupy Auckland for any of our bills incurred as a result of our activism work.

    Even worse – she took the money within a month of having been appointed to undertake an audit of Occupy Auckland expenditure (as recorded in her own minutes).

    For an anti-corruption campaigner who rails against backroom-deals and conflicts of interest – how could she take money outside of G.A. process while simultaneously being tasked as auditor? (Transparency! Accountability!)

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  59. Keeping Stock (10,264 comments) says:

    Dear Penny

    Obviously you are too intimately involved in all your anti-corruption activities to appreciate this, but a person who refuses to pay their debts solely for political reasons does not have a credibility leg to stand on.

    Most of us who comment on here have to work to earn a crust, and like good citizens, we try to pay our bills when they become due, rather than point-blank refusing to pay because we have some beef with the organisation who sends the bill. That’s what good citizens do.

    Work is really good for you. It gets you out and about, and socialising with people outside your normal circle of friends; you should try it some time. I’m sure that your organisational skills would serve you well, although if I may counsel you, I’d suggest that you leave the dopey conspiracy theory stuff off your CV; employers tend to find that somewhat off-putting. I’d also write to YouTube, and ask them to remove all content about you, especially that video showing you screaming like a banshee when the police arrested you when they evicted the Occupy Auckland protesters; this one – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSqdialKkWw

    Oh; and as an aside, someone was yelling out as you were dragged away “The whole world’s watching”. I hate to rain on your parade, but the whole world WASN’T watching that charade, which for New Zealand’s international reputation is probably a good thing :D

    Have a nice day Penny – I’m only telling you these things to help you.

    Best wishes with your job search,

    KS, on behalf of the Brotherhood and Sisterhood of Kiwibloggers

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  60. PhilP (163 comments) says:

    Penny Not So….When you pay your rates to Auckland council then you might have some credibility (but probably not) posting here. There is nothing transparent about you Miss Dim, what a freeloader. As Stigie says “are you using candles and a gas bottle for cooking?”
    And on the partial sale of state owned energy companies and AirNZ there was a mandate, it’s called a general election. National announced the policy at the start of 2011 when JK announced the election date and campaigned on it that year.
    Despite political opposition and election campaigns from the left, national still won the 2011 election easily. You and your ilk are rather DIM Penny and have ZERO credibility.

    Philip.
    Attendee at the Big Gay Out 2013
    Attendee at A & P Show Masterton 2012

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  61. cha (3,930 comments) says:

    How about that Kim Kashkashian, she’s won the Award for best classical instrumental solo.

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  62. nasska (11,126 comments) says:

    This may help to fill in some of the gaps in the life of Auckland’s well loved career watchdog.

    Ref: http://www.times-age.co.nz/news/activist-eyes-super-city-chains/1029029/

    And the answer’s NO!…..we don’t want her back. :)

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  63. Viking2 (11,348 comments) says:

    Prime Minister John Key says he received an intelligence report just before Christmas that a boat from Indonesia with hundreds of asylum seekers was planning to head to New Zealand.

    He also revealed that the Australians have considered whether they would help shepherd a boat across the Tasman to New Zealand if the people on board were adamant about getting to New Zealand.

    Mr Key was speaking at his post cabinet press conference about the deal he has made with Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard to take 150 approved refugees a year from Australia – people who have been processed in Nauru or Manus Island in Papua New Guinea.
    ———————————————————-
    This guy is no leader. He is becoming a joke.

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  64. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Right across Europe, leaders who control national wealth imagine their snouts being promoted to an altogether larger, more luxurious golden trough once their voters inevitably toss them out.

    So inspired, they continue to preach austerity to their own, while handing billions of euros to legions of unelected bureaucrats.

    Brussels out of control: €200 billion for ‘climate-related’ spending

    European heads of state and government have agreed to commit at least 20 percent of the entire European Union budget over the next seven years to climate-related spending. The seven-year budget was agreed at 960 billion euros.
    :::
    The seven-year budget was agreed at 960 billion euros ($1.28 trillion). By comparison, the budget for the years 2007-2013 was 975.777 billion euros.
    :::
    “Today is an incredibly important day for Europe and for the fight against climate change,” said Commissioner for Climate Action Connie Hedegaard of Denmark. “This is a major step forward for our efforts to handle the climate crisis.”

    The 20 percent climate appropriation was first suggested by the European Commission, the EU’s executive branch of government..

    What Hedegaard is really saying is that she now has a budget of billions to unaccountably fritter on nonsense and opulence.

    Oh, there is no ‘fight against climate change’, only a fight to stop the climate-ponzi scheme unravelling.

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  65. nasska (11,126 comments) says:

    krazykiwi

    A good bag this weekend. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xkkbx0raf38aaqi/Trophies%202.jpg

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  66. Left Right and Centre (2,915 comments) says:

    The naked truth-

    How do you pronounce the word ‘nude’? Nude with a ‘nu’ as in noodle? Or nude with a ‘nu’ as in ‘news’?

    I use the latter pronunciation myself. Came from south of UK at age eight is probably why.

    I heard Andrew Saville on One News tonight saying nude with the nu in noodle way. I don’t like it and I hear it more and more on TV and radio.

    Has it always been that way or is this a newer trend? Americanisation?

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  67. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    As long as they have big tits I don’t care how they pronounce their titles LRaC! :)

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  68. Yvette (2,763 comments) says:

    FBI Employees Download Pirated Movies and TV-Shows

    BitTorrent is used by millions of people every day, even in places where you wouldn’t really expect. New data reveals that employees at the FBI’s Criminal Justice Information Services Division are sharing movies and TV-shows with the rest of the world. Is the FBI gathering information on BitTorrent users, or could it be that the feds harbor in-house pirates?

    The big question is of course why these FBI IP-addresses are showing up in BitTorrent swarms.
    The most likely explanation is that employees were downloading these videos for personal entertainment. This wouldn’t be much of a surprise really, as we’ve seen this before at congressional offices the Department of Justice, national parliaments, record labels and movie studios.
    Another option is that the FBI is downloading the torrents as part of an ongoing investigation. However, this is less likely as ScanEye shows that the downloads are spread out over several months.
    Or perhaps the IP-addresses were spoofed by Kim Dotcom to get back at the feds
    http://torrentfreak.com/fbi-employees-download-pirated-movies-and-tv-shows-130209/

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  69. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Got some EVIDENCE to back up these unsubstantiated ANONYMOUS claims?

    “In another brilliant showing of respect for democracy, Penny completely ignored the G.A. rules that it must approve all funds before they are released (over $100) by usurping the last $200+ in the bank account, without G.A. approval, ostensibly with the help of “Chris Glen” who was on the finance committee and was also a bank signatory.

    She wanted it for “phone bills”… despite the Media Team she spent months trying to depose never having been reimbursed by Occupy Auckland for any of our bills incurred as a result of our activism work.

    (FALSE)

    Even worse – she took the money within a month of having been appointed to undertake an audit of Occupy Auckland expenditure (as recorded in her own minutes).

    (FALSE)

    For an anti-corruption campaigner who rails against backroom-deals and conflicts of interest – how could she take money outside of G.A. process while simultaneously being tasked as auditor? (Transparency! Accountability!)”

    (I WAS REIMBURSED FOR EXPENDITURE ON AGREED OCCUPY AUCKLAND ACTIVITIES,ON THE BASIS OF RECEIPTS PROVIDED – NONE OF WHICH INCLUDED REIMBURSEMENT FOR ‘PHONE BILLS’.

    You may be interested to know that it is my intention to take Suzette Maree Dawson to Court for publishing defamatory comments, given that ‘Occupy Savvy’ is HER website, thus she is responsible for what she publishes.

    You may also note, that although I put my name to my posts and take full responsibility for what I write, Suzette Maree Dawson does not.

    Suzette Maree Dawson also has another private company ‘Media Savvy’.

    I guess that Suzette Maree Dawson is going to learn the HARD way – that it is not very ‘media savvy’ to publish defamatory lies about people?

    Here are some FACTS about Suzette Maree Dawson ……..

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz/

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
    Auckland Mayoral candidate 2010
    Auckland Mayoral candidate 2013

    Named Respondent in the Occupy Auckland vs Auckland Council Appeal CIV- 2011- 404 – 8284
    (unlike Suzette Maree Dawson, who sure as hell does NOT speak for me!)

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  70. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    As long as they aren’t downloading videos of Noods/Newdes Yvette! :)

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  71. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Nasska – classy. More practice and you’ll be ready for the big time.

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  72. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    A man orders a roll of bloody barbed wire and all he get’s in return is bloody bullshit. Mumble mumble! :)

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  73. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Yvette – PeerBlock should keep the FBI away from your torrent client.

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  74. cha (3,930 comments) says:

    Speaking of barbed wire Johnboy, here’s a rather long article opining that the days of fences could well be over.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/02/the-land-of-the-free-how-virtual-fences-will-transform-rural-america/272957/

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  75. nasska (11,126 comments) says:

    Being ginger can get you on the receiving end of a lot of shit from people.
    So sell them your pubes and tell them it’s saffron!

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  76. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Well ahead of the trend cha. Since Penny failed to deliver I have transferred to using virtual fences for all my virtual sheep! :)

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  77. Steve (North Shore) (4,540 comments) says:

    There must be a shortage of anti-psycotic medication, how else do you explain today’s General Debate?

    She’s back, and off her trolley

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  78. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    “There must be a shortage of anti-psycotic medication”

    When is Magpie due? :)

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  79. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    krazykiwi (8,747) Says:
    February 11th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
    Right across Europe, leaders who control national wealth imagine their snouts being promoted to an altogether larger, more luxurious golden trough once their voters inevitably toss them out.

    So inspired, they continue to preach austerity to their own, while handing billions of euros to legions of unelected bureaucrats.

    Brussels out of control: €200 billion for ‘climate-related’ spending

    Griff someone told me the real money is in telling the truth climate denial. (though they forgot to say how that works).

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  80. big bruv (13,686 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    [ 20 Demerits for daring to mention that name here]

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  81. Tauhei Notts (1,678 comments) says:

    Nasska,
    You are brilliant.
    About forty years ago a pop song called Mellow Yellow hit the charts.
    The opening line was …”I’m just mad about saffron.”
    It wasn’t till I read Nasska’s 8.00 post that I realised the significance of those lyrics.
    Kiwiblog; it opens your mind.

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  82. nasska (11,126 comments) says:

    Tauhei

    Since you do a bit of public speaking you may be able to adapt this one & use it….

    A man is giving a speech at his lodge meeting. He gets a
    bit carried away and talks for two hours.

    Finally, he realizes what he is doing and says; “I’m sorry
    I talked so long. I left my watch at home.”

    A voice from the back of the room says, “There’s a
    calendar behind you.”

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  83. stigie (1,060 comments) says:

    Yes, where is the Magpie ?

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  84. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    That was Donovan. Antony Kiedis shagged his daughter Ione Skye.

    He said this:

    “I discovered surfing, which I absolutely fell in love with. That feels good and kind of keeps your body aligned, so does the salt water.”

    True! :)

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  85. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Penny has paid her rates

    (FALSE)

    Penny has a genuine intention to pay her rates

    (FALSE)

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  86. graham (2,328 comments) says:

    Penny: “I have never, EVER claimed to be a Spokesperson for Occupy Auckland.”

    Occupy Auckland General Assembly minutes:

    CONFIRMED by consensus: “Occupy Auckland will continue to work with the Tamaki Housing Group and Penny Bright will continue to be the Occupy Auckland ‘liaison person’

    As agreed by the OCCUPY AUCKLAND GENERAL ASSEMBLY on Wednesday 15 February 2012, Penny, on behalf of Occupy Auckland took the following proposal (passed by unanimous consensus at the Occupy Auckland GA, Sunday 12 February 2012), to the above-mentioned ‘AOTEAROA IS NOT FOR SALE’ PUBLIC MEETING …

    GA agreed that Penny, on behalf of Occupy Auckland to take the following proposal (passed by unanimous consensus at the Occupy Auckland GA, Sunday 12 February 2012), to the above-mentioned ‘AOTEAROA IS NOT FOR SALE’ PUBLIC MEETING …

    New members of the Occupy Auckland Media Team now include Marc, Kathy, Kereru, Tanya and Penny.

    All of the above statements were

    AGREED BY CONSENSUS OF THOSE WHO WERE PRESENT AT THAT MEETING TO BE A TRUE AND ACCURATE ACCOUNT

    http://occupyauckland.wordpress.com/ga-minutes/

    Also:

    http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Bright_Penny_318633218.aspx

    So … got any EVIDENCE that everyone else is lying? Seems to be an increasing amount of facts that you will need to pretend are “FALSE”.

    .
    .
    .

    Oh! – have a LOVELY day! :)

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  87. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    I see Penny no longer uses the term “judicially recognised” as often in her comments.
    What does “judicially recognised” mean? Is that when the magistrate sees Penny and says “Not you again!”

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  88. kowtow (8,173 comments) says:

    This’ll piss off a few of the rabid anti Catholic types around here.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276781/Has-Pope-Pius-XII-exonerated-Nazi-sympathiser-Author-claims-new-evidence-shows-controversial-pontiff-saved-lives-Holocaust.html#axzz2KZqASg4W

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  89. Left Right and Centre (2,915 comments) says:

    johnboy- yeah it’s funny eh mate? I hate the pretty people because it’s a fairly stupid reason to be given a job ahead of someone else- and yet I love looking at them. hahahahahaha. I don’t even want to see ugly men. I’d rather look at Simon Dallow than Mark Sainbury if those were the choices.

    I reckon they should record One News ten times with ten different sets of presenters and then you can choose who you want to look at. You want two smokin hot sexily dressed lovely young chicks reading off the same autocue? You got it buder….

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  90. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Kiwiblog; It opens your mind.

    Reminds me of a true Trance classic – Usura – Open Your Mind.

    The Stalin-to-Maggie morphing was way out there back in ’92 :)

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  91. Left Right and Centre (2,915 comments) says:

    Well…. that’s the Americanisation of the McWorld over the last sixty or so years with TV, film and music and the internet.

    NZders now sound like Americans. More so in the words that they use. The NZ accent persists… will that be next?

    How long will it take for all NZders to speak with an American accent?

    I hear all the time words I try to steer clear of… closet, closure (for grief), elevator instead of lift. And sidewalk? Ye gods…. that’s becoming standard English in NZ. Sidewalk.

    I don’t know why but I’m interested in all of those differences and the shifting culture of language use in NZ.

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  92. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    LRaC. I’d rather have Bill Toft or Phillip Sherry resurrected from the dead to read the news.

    If I fancied a thinking mans bit of totty reading it I’d resurrect Angela D’Audney! :)

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  93. nasska (11,126 comments) says:

    krazykiwi

    Link leads to: http://www.youtube.com/#/watch?v=7sPUpKGI1Z4

    Clear your browser history….you’ll never get to Heaven at this rate! :)

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  94. cha (3,930 comments) says:

    And yet they find new ways to offend kowtow. This time it’s robbing the dead to pay for their boy bunting.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-church-cemetery-fund-20130210,0,1768358.story

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  95. Keeping Stock (10,264 comments) says:

    Penny; is there any reason why that zoominfo profile that Nookin and graham provided a link for have “Mayor, Auckland” in your employment history? Of all the porkies you’ve told, that one is a whole sow!

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  96. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre (308) Says:
    February 11th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    You’re right about that LRC. One day Kiwi’s will want to conceal and carry and then wonder why our constitution doesn’t start with “We the people” and why there isn’t a 2nd amendment.

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  97. axeman (251 comments) says:

    Last week we had seven metres of global warming …. in white!

    Most ski resorts pray for heavy snow each winter but the people of Cauterets in the French Pyrénées may have overdone it this year. The resort had to close this week after 7 metres of snow fell in recent weeks. Sixty workers at the resort, stationed 1,800 metres high in the mountains, have been working around the clock to try and clear away the snow so the resort can reopen on Friday.
    http://notrickszone.com/2013/02/08/french-ski-resort-shuts-down-because-of-too-much-snow/

    Then over the weekend global warming hit NY. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”. “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.

    Hundreds of stuck vehicles in Suffolk County, Long Island, NY. This is RT 25 through the area near a Walmart. Many have been stranded since yesterday evening! Some were rescued by snowmobile. Near 30 inches of snow fell with drifts 5 feet or higher!
    http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/549382_501791683206096_1870981934_n.jpg

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  98. axeman (251 comments) says:

    Of course the ALARMIST nutjobs blamed the blizzard in the US on global warming. It seems that every time they get some snow, another “scientist” is wheeled out to explain that, no matter how cold it gets, it is all down to global warming’!!!http://www.climatedepot.com/a/19599/Climate-Astrology-Blizzard-blamed-on-global-warming-Is-there-any-weather-event–that-is-inconsistent-with-global-warming–Climate-Depot-Round-up

    http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600770_10151390991968895_639590630_n.jpg

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  99. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Canada continues to shiver through record cold snap — and there’s little relief in sight

    “Canadians continue to battle a wicked spate of winter weather that has brought torrents of snow to parts of the country and sent temperatures plunging to their lowest levels in years.”

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01/23/toronto-posts-coldest-temperatures-in-two-years-as-wicked-cold-snap-continues-to-grip-ontario/

    Maybe those “climate scientists” are right after all.


    NASA’s prediction that the sun’s next 11-year activity phase or “Cycle 25: will be one of the weakest in centuries and is likely to decrease until 2100, has led some scientists to foresee a “mini ice age” in the future.

    Experts at NASA and the University of Arizona analyzed data derived from magnetic-field measurements 120,000 miles beneath the sun’s surface and concluded that Cycle 25, whose peak is due in 2022, will be a great deal weaker still.

    According to climate scientists, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a “grand minimum” in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.

    Data issued recently by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit confirmed that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.

    The MET data showed that average global temperature in 2011 was the same average as in 1997 at 0.36 C, unlike in the previous decade when temperatures was steady at around 0.44 C degrees above average.”

    http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/291814/20120203/climate-scientists-predicts-mini-ice-age-future.htm#.URjGhB1JMQg

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  100. Left Right and Centre (2,915 comments) says:

    Johnboy… I’m going to have to look up Bill Toft… streuth… but the latter two I know. I’m of an age whereby I remember Angela D’Audney when she was older… I think they had Philip Sherry reading the news when TV3 started? I know he was from way back when on TV1. And just quietly that’s Philip with one ‘l’, like myself,…. which is maybe why I noticed…

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  101. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    Well the Pope just resigned, in doing so buggered up a 600 year “no resigning” streak or something.
    I guess the world will end shortly?

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  102. big bruv (13,686 comments) says:

    Great news!. The protector of Nazi’s and Paedophiles has tossed in the towel. Perhaps he has finally realised that there is no such thing as God and Jesus.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10864832

    Or….perhaps there is more to this than meets the eye. Is there a skeleton in the closet of Ratzinger that is about to come out, are people starting to ask questions about his time as a parish priest. Is there another reason he spent so much time protecting paedophile priests?

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  103. Griff (7,270 comments) says:

    Great temperature record kea coldest since the year before last fuck that’s freezing alright
    We will still have winter especially places like Canada fuck it snows in Auckland sometimes as well
    As to the sun cycle you have previously been shown what the scientists think in a simple graphic display.
    Your comment on the solar cycle ignores this data. You even ignore the comment from your linked story that if we enter a minimum solar period it will only make up for one decades warming. Guess that some people just believe things and dont need proof
    We normally call such beliefs religion.
    In your case I lean towards just plane old stupidity. The inability to actually read and comprehend information.

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  104. Left Right and Centre (2,915 comments) says:

    Griff…. do you do other stuff with your time or is it just all sucked up by the global warming debate? I could ask Kea the same question.

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