General Debate 12 February 2013

February 12th, 2013 at 8:00 am by David Farrar
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  1. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Morning Kloggers……

    GD awaits your brilliant contributions for a Tuesday….

    Windy Wellington is missing the wind this morning. Sort of feels like you got dressed but forgot your undies.

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  2. Pete George (23,575 comments) says:

    A couple of months ago Clare Curran sparked a furore at The Standard, where accusations of gagging and intimidation of Labour Party members were made. Curran admitted involvement but she stated:

    ”Not at any point have I sought disciplinary action against any individual.”

    One of the targets of the actions, Colonial Viper, has just suggested otherwise:

    …Clare, Trevor, and a substantial portion of both the Labour Caucus and NZ Council know exactly who I am.

    And I don’t just “claim” to be a Labour Party member, I’m a Labour Party member, donor, activist, and organiser that the ABCs threatened in person, and then wanted to revoke the membership of via disciplinary proceedings in front of NZ Council.

    Curran has just postyed that she wanted to comment occassionally at The Standard – but pretending there’s no unresolved history is not a good way to start. Especially if the appearance that she may have been fibbing is not addressed.

    Clare Curran versus Colonial Viper revisited – conflicting claims

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  3. flipper (4,068 comments) says:

    The Very Rev Flipper delivers the First Lesson of the day:

    For those who haven’t heard,

    Washington State recently passed two new laws – gay marriage and legalised marijuana.

    The fact that gay marriage and marijuana were legalised on the same day makes perfect biblical sense because

    Leviticus 20:13 says “If a man lies with another man they should be stoned.”

    We just hadn’t interpreted it correctly before!
    :)

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  4. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    flipper: Going to pick up yesterdays debate, the one where you didnt like being challenged and started name calling? Or is debate too much like hard work?

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  5. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    This is peculiarly an age in which one of us may, if he do but search diligently, find the literature suited to his mental powers. Grave and earnest men, at school and elsewhere, had tried Griff with Greek, Latin, and with English, and the sheep-like stolidity with which he declined to be interested in the masterpieces of all three tongues had left them with the conviction that he would never read anything.

    And then, years afterwards, he had suddenly blossomed out as a student. Only, it is true, a student of An Inconvenient Truth by Al Gore, but still a student. His was a dull life, and Al Gore was the only person who brought excitement into it.

    Existence for Griff was simply a desert punctuated with daily oases in the shape of reading about global warming and smoking pot.

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  6. Fletch (6,395 comments) says:

    Posted this late last night on the Sweden thread…

    Sweden has the highest rape count in the world, and it’s mostly Muslims committing the crimes.

    Who has the highest number of rapes in the world?

    The title sadly goes to Sweden, which now sees one out of every four Swedish women being the victim of rape.

    Is this the result of the rapid influx of Muslim immigrants who continue to form a larger percentage of the Swedish population?
    From the Counter Jihad Report:

    With Muslims represented in as many as 77 percent of the rape cases and a major increase in rape cases paralleling a major increase in Muslim immigration, the wages of Muslim immigration are proving to be a sexual assault epidemic by a misogynistic ideology.

    The escalation of rape in Sweden is so bad that in July of last year there were an average of five rapes a day reported in Stockholm. Think about that for a minute; five women being raped a day in a modern civilized city. This isn’t Afghanistan or Mexico we’re talking about; it’s Sweden.

    and

    France is no better off where Muslim immigrants rape 24,000 French women on average and gang rape 7,000 females in France on a yearly basis.

    Only Lesotho, a small country in south Africa, has more reported rapes than Sweden.

    1. Lesotho: 91.6
    2. Sweden: 53.2
    3. USA: 28.6
    4. Zimbabwe: 25.6
    5. Norway: 19.8
    6. Israel: 17.6

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/02/which_country_has_the_highest_rape_rate_in_the_world.html

    http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/01/28/shocking-predictive-muslim-rape-numbers-one-in-fou-swedes-will-be-raped/

    With that in mind, the Dutch have given up on multiculturalism –

    The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism that has encouraged Muslim immigrants to create a parallel society within the Netherlands.

    A new integration bill (covering letter and 15-page action plan), which Dutch Interior Minister Piet Hein Donner presented to parliament on June 16, reads: “The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model and plans to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people. In the new integration system, the values of the Dutch society play a central role. With this change, the government steps away from the model of a multicultural society.”

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2219/netherlands-abandons-multiculturalism

    About time….
    Hopefully some other countries in the E.U will follow suit

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  7. Fletch (6,395 comments) says:

    So, one of the FBI’s former top experts on Islam says that Obama’s pick to head the CIA is a Muslim – converted to Islam years ago.

    One of the FBI’s former top experts on Islam has announced that President Obama’s pick to head the Central Intelligence Agency, John Brennan, converted to Islam years ago in Saudi Arabia.

    As WND has reported, former FBI Islam expert John Guandolo has long warned that the federal government is being infiltrated by members of the radical Muslim Brotherhood. But Guandolo now warns that by appointing Brennan to CIA director, Obama has not only chosen a man “naïve” to these infiltrations, but also picked a candidate who is himself a Muslim.

    “Mr. Brennan did convert to Islam when he served in an official capacity on the behalf of the United States in Saudi Arabia,” Guandolo told interviewer and radio host Tom Trento.

    “That fact alone is not what is most disturbing,” Guandolo continued. “His conversion to Islam was the culmination of a counterintelligence operation against him to recruit him. The fact that foreign intelligence service operatives recruited Mr. Brennan when he was in a very sensitive and senior U.S. government position in a foreign country means that he either a traitor … [or] he has the inability to discern and understand how to walk in those kinds of environments, which makes him completely unfit to the be the director of Central Intelligence.”

    See the interview with Guandolo in which he makes these claims –

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/shock-claim-obama-picks-muslim-for-cia-chief/#ooid=k0aDk5OTqSM1rYZEQNp_7UqJjBxeReCp

    Brennan admits it himself in a video, in which he goes on to make a speech in Arabic.

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/shock-claim-obama-picks-muslim-for-cia-chief/#ooid=AxM2E5OTqzrEjrcgtVGgTgRr4H-CV9bt

    Anyone else think it’s a bad idea for Obama to be stocking his top positions with people like Brennen and Hagel?

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  8. Pete George (23,575 comments) says:

    Many hearts sink on the left but popcorn market outlook stable.

    @TrevorMallard

    Told Hutt South LEC tonight that I was available for selection as candidate for next years election – first LEC middle year of cycle.

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  9. flipper (4,068 comments) says:

    hmmokrightitis (1,065) …
    You caught me on a bad and busy morning yesterday or I would have fired back.

    But I stand by my (yesterday’s) comments in relation to Andy Earl:
    1. No conspiracy
    2. Perjorative prosecution/MSM lackey language
    3. Gross abuse of BOR by the Molesworth Street Cowboys.

    While you may not be yesterday’s “little germ”, you are on something, are you not? :) :) :)
    HAND

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  10. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    PG – do you write your early morning post in advance?

    or just drop your big daily turd as soon as the GD thread is open?

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  11. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    I know you stand by them, but can you provide reasoned, factual argument as to why flipper? Is it gross abuse?

    Oh, and the only thing Im on is MTB high – 30k of trails into work this morning, doesnt get better than that.

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  12. Belinda (141 comments) says:

    Paul Joseph Dally
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10864856
    Parole for this piece of crap, I don’t think so, hope Middleton puts a bullet in him, if he ever gets out.

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  13. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    flipper-

    I heard from Penny Bright that there’s actual documented cases of comedians that have thought of jokes that are just so damned funny, yet tragically never told- because before they could share the hilarity, they simultaneously suffered a violent orgasm, spontaneous human combustion and their cranium imploded.

    Mate, with that in mind… don’t get too funny… we don’t want you to hurt yourself. You do get a green tick though.

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  14. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    This’ll annoy some of the horny buggers here.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/8292671/UKs-Sun-might-scrap-topless-pics

    UK’s Sun might scrap topless pics

    Media mogul Rupert Murdoch, whose Sun has featured a large picture of a bare-breasted model on page three since 1970, has indicated that it may be time for a change in tack.

    In response to a tweet saying: “Seriously, we are all so over page 3 – it is so last century!”, the 81-year-old Australian replied: “You maybe right, don’t know but considering. Perhaps halfway house with glamorous fashionistas.”

    The “No More Page Three” campaign sent an open letter signed by more than 50 members of parliament to Dominic Mohan, editor of the Sun, which is part of News Corp’s British newspaper division News International.

    “We want to live in a society where the most widely-read newspaper is one that respects women,” read the letter, posted on the campaign’s website.

    “Instead, the Sun publishes Page 3, which reduces women to objects. It reduces men to objectifiers. And it reduces this country to one that upholds 1970s sexist values. We’re better than this.”

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  15. Nookin (3,345 comments) says:

    hmmokrightitis

    30k of trail? Where?

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  16. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    War from inside the belly of the beast

    Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson

    Vietnam vet Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson was former Chief of Staff to Colin Powell during the blatantly fraudulent run up to the Iraq War.

    He had the opportunity to see Dick Cheney, George Bush Jr,, Donald Rumsfeld and other assorted war criminals up close and personal.

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/war-is-a-racket-1/war-from-inside-the-belly-of-the-beast.html

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  17. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    WFT? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9862662/Furore-as-Iran-ambassador-is-caught-on-video-high-fiving-female-German-MP.html

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  18. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    davinci, do not feel offended, please: http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/cop-out-by-corrections.html

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  19. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    Coke, but not the white powder: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8293654/Coke-habit-killed-mum-says-coroner

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  20. adc (595 comments) says:

    that woman with the 10l / day coke habit. Amazing.

    She must have been a diabetic drinking that much sugar. Just undiagnosed, since she “was scared of doctors”. Too right, they probably all gave her a bollocking for her diet.

    I can’t imagine what sort of mind could justify doing this to someone – her to herself, and her husband for going along with it.

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  21. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    A nuclear test monitoring agency has reported the location of today’s seismic event in North Korea is ‘‘roughly congruent’’ with the country’s 2006 and 2009 nuclear test sites.

    The Comprehensive Nuclear-Test Ban Treaty Organization detected the seismic event at 11.57am Korean time (NZT 3.57pm).

    The Vienna-based CTBTO said on Twitter that ‘‘our analysts are currently studying data’’ and indicated the event had ‘‘clear explosion-like characteristics’’.

    The South Korea Defence Ministry has indicated the seismic activity could be from a 6-7 kiloton or stronger nuclear blast.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/8293934/Seismic-activity-hits-North-Korea

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  22. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Oh, and the only thing Im on is MTB high – 30k of trails into work this morning, doesnt get better than that.

    That’s a great start to the day hmmo. Keep an eye out for nasska :D

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  23. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    The absent president, the Messiah fails the test: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/02/11/now-know-president-obama-was-mia-on-benghazi/

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  24. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    I want some Polar bear ice cube makers :)

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  25. Griff (7,729 comments) says:

    So the snowstorm Nemo–just got done dousing the East Coast in snow. The storm left 700,000 people without power, 15 dead, and untold billions of dollars in damage. And it all went down only a week or so after Congress finally got around to approving the funds to pay for the cleanup of the last once-in-a-decade mega storm.
    Read more: http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/global-warming-made-nemo-stronger-also-global-warming-is-killing-nemo#ixzz2Kf0cBr5q

    Once in a hundred years becomes once in ten becomes normal
    Happy global climate change :wink:

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  26. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,752 comments) says:

    North Korea does it again. Nuclear Test Conducted.

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  27. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Yes griff. It’s called weather. We get it all the time. Sadly climate alarmists like yourself desperately cite any weather event as a consequence of Climate Change(tm), because there is no evidence to support this fantasy. Quite the contrary. With each passing day the climate-ponzi scheme unravels more quickly.

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  28. Griff (7,729 comments) says:

    Well done kk

    Once in a hundred years

    Was not Katrina once in a hundred?
    and sandy?
    The drought
    High temperatures and snow fall
    Thats usa
    shall we try somewhere else
    aussie
    Once in a hundred year floods
    Three times since 2010
    high temperatures
    and drought as well

    No pattern ya recon
    just a coincidence that its what global warming science has been saying for years :lol:

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  29. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    It seems that the health nuts were right all along.

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/d1szbejwc07wqk9/Old%20Age.jpg

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  30. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    A now ex-friend claims I have anorexia verbosa. My opinion is he’s an insufferable moron.

    Me: Mid-twenties to age thirty-five= 95-100kg (of ignorant lard)

    Oct 2 2012- 96-98kg. I start getting it right with diet and exercise in Oct. Fat burns off quick as. It’s a damned miracle.
    Start of Nov- 91kg
    Start of Dec- 84.5kg
    Start of Jan 2013- 80kg
    Right now- 78.3kg.
    Aha… but past seven days, lowest and highest reading of 76.5kg Feb 8 and 84.4kg Feb 6 respectively….

    I think of myself as a bloke who was on the line for clinical obesity…. has since lost the weight… and now I’m happy floating around high 70s/ 80kg. That actually pissed me off to the extreme to hear some idiot seriously trying to tell me I’m anorexic and making comments like we’ll have to watch you when you go to the bathroom. Really? What a fucktard. He was dead serious.

    (I love recording numbers down…. not really to do with weight. I did a fucking accounting degree ffs. I love counting calories…. accounting degree. Match made in fucking heaven. Oooo… how many kj in this tin of tuna? Where’s my calculator? I know it off by heart… is it 380kj per 100g x 1.85?)

    6’0″ and currently 78-79kg. Is that anorexic to you?

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  31. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    anorexia nervosa- please excuse my mistake.

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  32. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    A study conducted by Otago’s Department of Psychiatry has revealed that the kind of face a woman finds attractive on a man can differ depending on where she is in her menstrual cycle. For example: if she is ovulating, she is attracted to men with rugged and masculine features. However, if she is menstruating or menopausal, she tends to be more attracted to a man with duct tape over his mouth and a spear lodged in his chest while he is on fire. No further studies are expected.

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  33. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    All my lady friends have told me I look best when I get to 69. I don’t understand how they can tell that cause I’m only 63.

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  34. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    You have not done those things you ought to have, Dunne
    Posted on Tuesday 12 February 2013 by Richard

    Since August 2011, Peter Dunne has banned 30 synthetic cannabinoids by issuing Temporary Class Drug Notices. These are published in the New Zealand Gazette, “the official newspaper of the Government of New Zealand.” Here’s an example.

    According to 4C(3), since August 2011 Peter Dunne has been satisfied 30 different times that a particular substance poses, or may pose, a risk of harm to individuals, or to society. Well, it’s nice to know that someone’s getting some satisfaction.

    Now, according to 4D(6), “while a temporary class drug notice is in force, the Minister must seek advice, as he or she considers appropriate, under section 5 or 5AA, or both, in relation to the temporary class drug and its appropriate classification, if any (including as a precursor substance, or as a restricted substance as defined in section 31 of the Misuse of Drugs Amendment Act 2005), under this Act.” What advice did Peter Dunne consider it appropriate to seek, regarding the 30 substances he’s banned? He must have sought it. So what was it?

    So far, Peter Dunne has renewed all his Temporary Class Drug Notices issued in 2011, prior to their expiry. Note that, according to 4E(2), this is only for the purpose of allowing sufficient time for the Minister to obtain the advice that is to be sought under section 4D(6). Peter Dunne must be seeking lots of advice. Otherwise, what’s taking him so long?

    And more about dishonest Dunne at http://blog.eternalvigilance.me/2013/02/you-have-not-done-those-things-you-ought-to-have-dunne/

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  35. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    L R & C

    Ignore your friends….anorexia is just something lard arses invented to claim that slim people are sick. :)

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  36. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    What sucks is parents having their young kids on low fat diets when they are not that overweight.
    This fucks up their brain development.

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  37. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    ok… I’m going through wikipedia list of reasons you might be a dumbarse eating disorder dropkick….

    *Refusal to maintain a normal body mass index for their age* Nope
    *Fearful of even the slightest weight gain and takes all precautionary measures to avoid weight gain and becoming overweight* Yep.
    *Obvious, rapid, dramatic weight loss* Yep, but it’s around the same sort of numbers all the time now.
    *Obsession with calories and fat content of food* Yep
    *Preoccupation with food, recipes, or cooking; may cook elaborate dinners for others, but not eat the food themselves* Yeah actually- I learnt to make biscuits and given most of them away. I had some biscuit mix today though.
    *Dieting despite being thin or dangerously underweight* No. What is thin exactly?
    *Rituals: cuts food into tiny pieces; refuses to eat around others; hides or discards food* Fuck off
    *Purging: uses laxatives, diet pills, ipecac syrup, or water pills; may engage in self-induced vomiting; may run to the bathroom after eating in order to vomit and quickly get rid of the calories[27][28] (see also bulimia nervosa).* WTF??
    *May engage in frequent, strenuous exercise* Yep- how the fuck do you increase muscle cell size without it being strenuous?
    *Perception of self to be overweight despite being told by others they are too thin and, in most cases, underweight.* Nope- I’m in the best shape of my life and love my body.
    *Depression: may frequently be in a sad, lethargic state* I look too good to ever be depressed…. ever.
    *Solitude: may avoid friends and family; becomes withdrawn and secretive* I’ll avoid them if they’re dumbarse dipshits, yeah.
    *Cheeks may become swollen because of enlargement of the salivary glands caused by excessive vomiting* Eeer… that would be no.
    *Swollen joints* I don’t think so- not that I know of.
    *Abdominal distension* dis what now?
    *Bad breath (from vomiting or starvation-induced ketosis)* I don’t vomit if I’m not forced to watch Shortland St
    *Hair loss or thinning* I’m 36 ffs- give me a break- sheesh…
    *Fatigue* I’m 36 ffs- give me a break. This list is fairly tiring and I need a nap. Actually that has happened…. low blood sugar level. I tried cutting out carbs and my body stopped moving so I gave up that genius idea.
    *Rapid mood swings*- Ah fuck off-I’ve always had those!! Less rapid now if anything.
    *Alcoholism* Really? Lots of kj in that shit. Not me!!
    *Tendencies to drug addictions* I’m high on life- nope.

    And the upshot is…..?? I don’t know… how long’s a piece of string?

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  38. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    Lance

    It’s along the lines of vegans who force their nutty diets onto their kids….even seed & nectar eating birds generally have enough sense to feed their chicks with insects to give them enough protein to grow properly.

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  39. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Ummm….. yeah I’ve got the continual obcom checking thing… scales just said 77.4kg. ???? That’s what I mean… that can’t be right. That’s a fair bit of water weight to lose in a fairly shortish time. It’s not bodyweight weight loss if that makes sense.

    You know what…. I’m quite knocked back… I exhibit a few behaviours that are obvious markers of someone with anorexia.

    Oh well… goodbye cruel world… you can all kiss my bony shrinking saggy white arse….

    It’s true I can absolutely well and truly turn the screws on my calorie intake if I want to.

    hmmmm……

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  40. Griff (7,729 comments) says:

    “The unassuming soybean has silently infiltrated the American diet as what might just be the perfect protein source: It’s cheap and vegetarian, and could even unclog our hearts. But there may be a hidden dark side to soy, one that has the power to undermine everything it means to be male”

    http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/soys-negative-effects#ixzz2KfYpVy44

    Couple of nut bar vegans I know brought Up their Kids up on soy milk.
    Both boys are surprisingly effeminate.

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  41. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    This has been well known for years.

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  42. axeman (252 comments) says:

    The Kenyan and his “overwhelming judgment of science” :-)

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/01/24/the-overwhelming-judgment-of-science-rejects-obamas-global-warming-claims/

    The climate alarmism information and money cycle!
    http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/385534_501175266601071_794863567_n.jpg

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  43. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    As predicted by this sage our nanny Govt. and its mothers baby helpers are right on target to raise the minimum wage.

    The Government is not buying into the idea of a “living wage” BUT, the new Minister of Labour says the minimum wage will continue to increase.

    Newly elevated Tauranga MP Simon Bridges said he didn’t want to sound “like a typical politician” who hadn’t had any advice on the idea of a living wage, but his tentative view was the idea was overly subjective and simplistic and wouldn’t be a priority for the Government.
    ———-
    Hmm, so he doesn’t want to sound like a typical politican. Well then Simon get the hell out of the Labour market.
    ———–
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10865014

    Like the union movement he doesn’t consider his constituency to be the unemployed or the job seeker. So no reason to care about them.

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  44. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Such fun. Hillarious read for early morning.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=10864775

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  45. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Defining Waitangi Day.

    Our political leaders all sweep up to the Bledisloe-gifted grounds, far away from most of us.

    I suppose they could have some solemn moments there for TV and a few well-chosen words for us all but there isn’t. Nothing of much weight or significance is ever said or happens. Except the protests.

    The protests are the only bit of news from the day and the only bit that’s half interesting.

    We have had the wet T-shirt thrown at the Queen, Helen Clark reduced to tears, Don Brash hit with mud and John Key assaulted.

    It’s these events that mark Waitangi Day rather than a few well-chosen words and some respect for who we are and what we have achieved.

    This year we had the public spat about which elderly woman would hold the Prime Minister’s hand. It was argued on camera. And resolved on camera. The elderly woman prepared to cause the most trouble won.

    On TV Titewhai Harawira appeared selfish, mean and bullying.

    Perhaps we should rename the day Titewhai’s Day.

    After all, that’s what it’s become.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/maori/news/article.cfm?c_id=252&objectid=10864396

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  46. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    I’ll be happy to piss on her grave one day. :D

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