General Debate 15 February 2013

February 15th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    And the Oscar goes to…… Jail. :D

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  2. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    Crony capitalism Obama-style: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/14/movies-and-games-but-no-work-at-battery-plant-funded-by-150m-stimulus-grant/

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  3. iMP (2,457 comments) says:

    What can we say to MP Richard Prosser the Tosser and Winston? Some advice from a Muslim who killed Kiwis…

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/02/14/prosser-the-tosser-winston/

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  4. krazykiwi (8,040 comments) says:

    Manolo – They don’t need batteries. The US’s oil production is at a 20 year high!

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  5. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    It’s hard to tell on blogs but does anyone fit this description?

    Wide-faced men more likely to make racist comments

    Men with wide faces are more likely to make racist comments and act aggressively.

    The Daily Mail reports a study’s found men with wider, shorter faces are more likely to express racial prejudice.

    This facial shape has been shown to indicate higher than average testosterone levels.

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/761997203-wide-faced-men-more-likely-to-make-racist-comments

    Looks aside, I’ve put together a collection of comments from yesterday – Blog of Bigotry

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  6. Lipo (230 comments) says:

    Under the head line Asset Sales
    I wonder when Labour will announce they will “buy back” one of the assets lost by the New Zealand taxpayer – Eden Park

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  7. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    imp

    Generaly I like your inputs.

    However I’m sick to death of that quote from Ataturk. He was very good at saying nice things and giving the impression that Turkey was a modern ,secular state. Huge numbers of westerners have bought that bullshit.

    Turkey is a Turkish and sunni Muslim state that oppresses it’s non suuni and non Turkish minorities. Ataturk is the architect of that oppression.

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  8. barry (1,191 comments) says:

    Was lazily watching TV last night switching around channels and cam across 20/20 on TV2.

    20/20 is claimed to be about current affairs.

    The first bit was about the etiquette among males strippers in auckland – and as i wasnt planning to hire them I went over to something else. Then came back about 20 min later – and this time it was about thin models and their weight.

    Current affairs is supposed to be about CURRENT news items – a detailed discussion about them.
    Beside the fact that stories like this are pretty much about stupid subjects – they could i suppose still be seen as current affairs as long as they are items currently in the news. On this basis the programme certainly wasnt current affairs and the subjects turn it into a load of goat shit.

    Waste of time and money.

    Fortunately I have a cold and was in a state of advanced death last night so i had the perfect excuse to turn in early.

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  9. iMP (2,457 comments) says:

    kowtow, you may be right, but Ataturk is still right. We invaded Turkey after all, so his comments are, at worst, generous. I’d take his thoughts over Prosser’s attitude, anytime, and I am a vigorous opponent of militant islam.

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  10. wreck1080 (4,001 comments) says:

    Woohoo, nzd breaks new records.

    How high will it go, our economy is hotter than hot.

    Watch the exporters continue to fold…..

    Actually, the price of BMW’s is interesting. The pound has fallen by roughly 50% in value. So, you’d think the price of BMW’s would fall a modest 30% (being conservative). But, they have not.

    Is the importer raking it in? Or , are there costs 50% higher?

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  11. WineOh (636 comments) says:

    @wreck1080 – As a small business owner I have noticed this too, a significant portion of our wines come from overseas, especially Europe yet we have not seen a noticeable change in trade prices. I imagine there are some additional costs that will offset the exchange rate difference, not the least of which is the increase in transport costs (oil prices, both cars & wine are relatively heavy beasts).

    If I were a Green party MP I would be calling for a full inquiry.

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  12. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Ive had to downsize to a 3 cylinder Diahatsu Mira…why is the price of fuel climbing? $2.21…I hate oil companies, they are raping the consumer.

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  13. Andrei (2,653 comments) says:

    In totally unrelated news: Turkish Parliament considers converting Hagia Sophia to mosque.

    The significance of this will bypass those who have the testosterone levels of a castrated mouse of this I have no doubt but for us wide faced men who haven’t forgotten our history it hit like a hammer blow

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  14. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    Can this be?

    Nobody else has heard of the proposal by local iwi that Taupo Ironman entrants should pay about $40 to swim in the lake? Goodness me.

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  15. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    liabors, save a bit of hatred for the rapacious government and the raft of levies it imposes on petrol, including our lovely “contribution” via the ETS tax.

    National, the party of lower taxes……

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  16. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    Yes, davinci. I posted it yesterday, and Weihana defended on the grounds the Stone Agers “own” Lake Taupo.

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  17. Nookin (3,571 comments) says:

    Now that’s a cunning plan to export undesirables!

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8307828/Tonga-wiped-visa-applicants-criminal-records

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  18. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Good morning Manalo/ Richard good to see you continuing to spread your tedious school yard racisim, you are a inspiration to the next generation of skin heads

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  19. graham (2,348 comments) says:

    Pete George at 8:07

    Please remove my comments from your blog. I did not give you permission to copy and paste them, and you are going against the basic principles of blog etiquette.

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  20. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    P.G., please remove my comments from your blog. I did not give you permission to copy and paste them, and you are going against the basic principles of blog etiquette.

    Do this while you sing Kumbaya.

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  21. Colville (2,318 comments) says:

    The lake is a big swimming pool that the local Maori run as a business, the ironman is a business (its about a $grand to enter) so fair is fair they pay to use the “pool”. Where is the argument?

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  22. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    colville – first off. fuck em! “the guardians” of the lake. they are the parasites of the lake.

    second, the event is only a couple of weeks away and most people have paid. so youre happy for the “business” that operates the event to drop 60k in profit? 2 weeks out. not budgeted for.

    or do the mongrel mob stand at the start line on the day collecting the money?

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  23. Keeping Stock (9,384 comments) says:

    @ graham/Manolo – one of the hazards of the “public domain” which the internet has become is that once we post something, we by default lose control over it. The internet has an infinite memory :P

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  24. Colville (2,318 comments) says:

    wreck 1080 Re: Beemers.
    I assume the prices are just set at a level (highest possible) that BMW thinks the local market can stand.

    Bro in law recently in USA he is looking at power tools as just brought a block of land.
    A Husqvana chainsaw same as mine, 50 cc is $295 US from Amazon with free freight in USA, here its around $1100 + GST.
    Sthil brushcutter is 1/3 NZ price. Clubcadet ride on mower less than half NZ price.

    NZ is a great place to live but we get rooted on prices.

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  25. Chuck Bird (4,913 comments) says:

    Mother’s 22-year HIV secret shared

    Doctors advised the Mt Roskill resident to end her six-month pregnancy due to concern the virus would harm her unborn twins.

    She made the agonising decision to have an abortion but remained too scared to tell anyone about her illness.

    It is suspected Sophie contracted the disease from a blood transfusion or contaminated needle.

    Hiding the truth from her husband took a toll on her marriage and the couple eventually separated.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8306762/Mothers-22-year-HIV-secret-shared

    This woman in the article is portrayed as some sort of hero. Her actions were criminal. She was happy to expose her husband to a deadly disease.

    She will be marching with the other “heroes” who oppose HIV being a notifiable disease.

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  26. Colville (2,318 comments) says:

    dime.

    I assume race organisers have a permit from council so they will just go ahead without paying… Iwi will have to get better organised in their methods of extortion.

    and on top of that I know they get at least half of the exorbitant trout licence fees too…. so they can afofrd to hire Tuku to negotiate it for them.

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  27. Tookinator (222 comments) says:

    Roses are red
    Violets are glorious
    Don’t sneak up
    On Oscar Pistorious.

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  28. iMP (2,457 comments) says:

    OMGosh, now the militant political gays are after Superman.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/02/15/are-gay-thought-police-supermen-more-liberal-bullying/

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  29. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    graham and Manolo:

    P.G., please remove my comments from your blog. I did not give you permission to copy and paste them, and you are going against the basic principles of blog etiquette.

    Are you joking?

    An integral part of blogging is copying quotes and using links to information that people have knowingly put on public display. Surely everyone is aware that if you don’t want something out there, don’t put it anywhere.

    Manolo – did you get permission from Fox for putting the link to their site at your 8.04 am?

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  30. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    Can any TV-Parliament addicts tell us whether the new Speaker, Carter, wears that feather arrangement around his neck always in the House, or was it just for his first appearance.

    Doesn’t match the outgoing speaker’s appropriatelyl decorous outfit.

    IMHO, the feathers make Carter, an outdoors,everyday Kiwi farmer type, look at worst a bit like a drag queen, or at best someone dressed as a big bird for a pantomime.

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  31. Andrei (2,653 comments) says:

    LOL is Pete George blogging about comments on other blogs again?

    That must be a really riviting read

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  32. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    P.G., good to see you taking the bait.
    Mate, you can quote me until the end of time. No worries. :-)

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  33. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    Dime was cruising home to his estate yesterday and turned on Radio Live.

    Duncan Gardner was asking people to phone in and comment on the “living wage” or whatever else they are calling communism these days.

    Anyway, he worded it like this:

    “tell me why youre in favour of a minimum living wage or why you support greedy bosses who get rich at the expense of their workers” LMAO I wonder what side comrade gardner is on?

    this is the sort of guy that would take the piss out of Fox for callingthemselves “fair & balanced”.

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  34. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    Manolo – if you want to retract anything you’re quoted as saying I’ll post the retraction.

    Andre – funny. Do you think you’re the god of riveting reads?

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  35. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    More compulsion from another coroner: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8307171/Coroner-wants-cyclist-high-vis-compulsory

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  36. Weihana (4,621 comments) says:

    Manolo (9,031) Says:
    February 15th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Yes, davinci. I posted it yesterday, and Weihana defended on the grounds the Stone Agers “own” Lake Taupo.

    Actually I never defended it. I have no interest in Lake Taupo sufficient to form an opinion on the matter. What I did do was question why the lake can’t be owned. You haven’t really answered that other than to make bigoted references to Maori.

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  37. graham (2,348 comments) says:

    I’m not going to enter into a long, drawn-out, dreary, grey, boring and ultimately pointless discussion with you Pete George.

    You lifted one sentence out of several comments I made, and slapped it out of context on your own blog, for your own purposes. You have misrepresented the overall statement I was trying to make, and used it to say I’m a bigot. Now, if people want to visit Kiwiblog and make their own judgement by reading the entire thread in context, then they can judge my comments, and decide for themselves. If, having read all of my comments in context, they decide that I’m a bigot, then fine. But you have misrepresented what I said.

    The proper thing to do, Pete, is to remove my comment from your blog as I have requested. Let’s face it, it’s hardly the most riveting or controversial comment of all the ones you’ve copied, and you’ll have plenty of other comments left there for the hordes of people who visit your blog to read. However, if you lack the decency and integrity to do the right thing, then so be it. I shall keep that in mind for any future comments I make.

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  38. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Outrageous ..12 years for cold blooded murder, will be out in 8 .SICKENING AND OUTRAGEOUS !!

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8308096/Journalists-killer-jailed-more-than-12-years

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  39. Weihana (4,621 comments) says:

    graham

    Russel Norman appears to be saying that we as a country should be falling over ourselves to tug the forelock to Muslims over and above anybody else.

    Is this the comment? I can’t see the bigotry in that comment. At least not without more context.

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  40. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    graham, this is what I quoted:

    Russel Norman appears to be saying that we as a country should be falling over ourselves to tug the forelock to Muslims over and above anybody else.

    I don’t think that qualifies you as a bigot, but combined with the whole thread it adds to the degree of bigotry on display.

    Remember that you were commenting in a thread called “The nature of bigotry”.

    This was your whole comment:

    howdarethey: Wandering slightly from my original point, which was that Russel Norman apparently is asking New Zealand to uphold more rights for Muslims. The question is, what specific rights do Muslims have that need to be upheld and enshrined by Parliament, over and above the rights of any other New Zealander?

    If my wife has to become a Muslim to avail herself of these rights, as you seem to be suggesting, then that’s discrimination. If my wife has a passionate belief that she should maintain her modesty by wearing a scarf over the lower portion of her face – nothing to do with being a Muslim, just her own sense of what is proper – should she not be free to avail herself of the same rights that have apparently been accorded to Muslim women?

    Russel Norman appears to be saying that we as a country should be falling over ourselves to tug the forelock to Muslims over and above anybody else. Which is actually pretty much what BeaB said at 11:53.

    I don’t see how I have quoted you out of context. The paragraph I quoted was emphasising something your had already mentioned in that same comment.

    And I later showed you that Muslims don’t seem to be given special rights in our courts: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/the_nature_of_bigotry.html#comment-1096717

    Are you now saying you don’t think that Muslims are given special court rights?

    Editing a post because someone doesn’t like what has been quoted is not a normal blog practice and could set a precedent that would be totally contrary to open discussion and publication. If everyone who didn’t like how they were quoted could insist on being edited out of a post or article our whole system of media would collapse.

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  41. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Eddycation:

    http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2013/02/schools-in-california-part-1.html

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  42. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    but combined with the whole thread it adds to the degree of bigotry on display.

    WTF?

    PG, I’m grading you F- on this exchange. graham shoes in with a solid A.

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  43. Longknives (4,968 comments) says:

    John Cleese is being dragged over the coals for making an Oscar Pistorious joke…

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/reeva-steenkamp-comedian-john-cleese-1709692

    I’m sorry but Oscar Pistorius has courted celebrity and any media attention he can for many years. Now he does something wrong we are all supposed to stay quiet about it??
    The Pope is dying and nobody seems to object to all the jokes doing the rounds about him..(maybe if he was a disabled sportsman or a Muslim?)

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  44. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    PG, I’m grading you F- on this exchange. graham shoes in with a solid A.

    Only F? How generous. Z would be more like it.

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  45. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    thedavincimode – do you think bloggers should edit their posts on request of anyone?

    On reflection I’m considering editing – not to remove without trace but to allow people to easily see the whole context if the wish. But I’m not doing that for everyone who complains about seeing something they have said.

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  46. Longknives (4,968 comments) says:

    Out in just over eight years-

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10865565

    He will be 28. I wonder just how long before he kicks and stomps another innocent person to death?

    Fucking disgraceful. Phillip Cottrell deserved better…

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  47. gnadsmasher (45 comments) says:

    I got to thinking after reading some of the impeccable civilizational logic offered by some KB commentators on the Prosser matter.

    No Muslim has ever been charged, much less convicted of a terrorist act on NZ soil. The French government, on the other hand, directed an unprovoked murderous attack on a NZ flagged ship docked at the Viaduct. Using Prosser’s logic, to which we can add some other civilizational arguments such as the French being sullen, rude, smelly and speaking a strange language while chain smoking, we need to ban all French-looking people from NZ as threats to local hygiene and health and send those who are already here back to Frogistan. We need to do this fast, as they already have established a beachhead in Akaroa.

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  48. Harriet (5,201 comments) says:

    Curious George #

    “…..Looks aside, I’ve put together a collection of comments from yesterday by the bigots…”

    Cool………..I had the most. :cool:

    But Pete – why did you not balance it out with the ones where I supported Muslim immigration?

    Do you really think Pete that people should go through their entire lives being ‘unoffended’? In a multicultural society? In a mono cultural society?

    That ain’t life Pete – that’s the ending of a fairytale!

    “Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me.”

    Unlike me Pete…..most Muslim kids clearly don’t hear their mums say that to them…..and their violence prooves it!

    Young Middle Eastern males cannot ‘reason’ Pete as the Middle East is built on only two pillars : Pride and Shame.
    And before you call me a ‘bigot’, the above line was stated in a report about why Muslim males were so aggressive. Also, when I lived in NSW, I flatted for several months with 2 Muslim males. Both were illegal immigrants and after Sept 11, both of them were rounded up by a government ‘agency’ and sent home. Both of them were good blokes, good workers, and unlike you Pete – interesting, entertaining and informative.

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  49. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    imp

    See Winston Churchill’s view of Islam. “No greater retrograde force exists in the world.”
    http://www.allaboutmuhammad.com/winston-churchillrsquos-comments-on-islam.html
    Prosser is in exalted company. And most Islam is militant,there are some peaceful scts lilke the Sufi ,but Sunnis consider them heretics and destroy their monuments…very tolerant.

    Invade Turkey? Well yes ,they were the enemy. And remember they attempted to wipe out the Christian Armenians during that war.

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  50. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    gnadsmasher:

    No Muslim has ever been charged, much less convicted of a terrorist act on NZ soil.

    Don’t want to rain on your parade, but I think you’d best check your statement against the background of the Somali woman who was convicted of stabbing two Air Nelson pilots on a flight from Blenheim to Christchurch back in 2008.

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  51. Longknives (4,968 comments) says:

    Elaycee- “Don’t want to rain on your parade, but I think you’d best check your statement against the background of the Somali woman who was convicted of stabbing two Air Nelson pilots..”

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  52. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Andrei

    Thanks for bringing the Hagia Sophia story to attention. This will of course be studiuosly ignored by the world’s media. One of the most important buldings in the world.

    Does anyone need proof that “Turkey” is not a secular state?
    What will it take for the European elites to stop their love affair with this aggressive ,nasty country that seeks ,as it has done for a thousand years to overwhelm Europe?

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  53. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    Elaycee – that was hardly a terrorist act, although I’d quite likely to be terrified if I found myself on the same flight as someone like that.

    Note that she probably wouldn’t have gone through the security checks that everyone complains about as that was a rgional flight.

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  54. Longknives (4,968 comments) says:

    “Elaycee – that was hardly a terrorist act”

    She hijacked a plane. Stabbing people and telling the pilots there were bombs on board.

    Have you ever actually visited planet Earth Pete?

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  55. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    Harriet:

    Do you really think Pete that people should go through their entire lives being ‘unoffended’? In a multicultural society? In a mono cultural society?

    Odd question. Of course not. Has anyone suggested they should?

    “Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me.”

    Unlike me Pete…..most Muslim kids clearly don’t hear their mums say that to them…..and their violence prooves it!

    How do you know what hundreds of millions of Muslim mums say and don’t say to their kids?

    Problems in the Middle East in particular run far deeper than a bit of name calling, they have accumulated and evolved for thousands of years.

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  56. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    Elaycee – that was hardly a terrorist act

    Jeez Pete – what the hell has got into you lately?

    The woman stabbed two pilots and a passenger / said she had a bomb and would blow the plane up / she tried to hijack the plane and get it to fly to Australia.

    And yet in your book that is not ‘terrorism’…?????

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  57. Harriet (5,201 comments) says:

    Kowtow#

    Thanks for that link. He nailed it.

    “…….Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion
    paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde
    force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant
    and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising
    fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the
    strong arms of science, the science against which it (Islam) has vainly struggled,
    the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” – Sir Winston Churchill

    And to think that it is the practioners of the ‘soft’ sciences and their practices of appeasment, political correctness and ignorance, that has almost bought Europe to it’s knees.

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  58. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (329 comments) says:

    Pope Benedict Resigned to Avoid Arrest, Seizure of Church Wealth by Easter
    (BRUSSELS ITCCS ) – The historically unprecedented resignation of Joseph Ratzinger as Pope this week was compelled by an upcoming action by a European government to issue an arrest warrant against Ratzinger and a public lien against Vatican property and assets by Easter.
    http://www.salem-news.com/articles/february122013/pope-resigns.php

    Which European government, one wonders … if any

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  59. gnadsmasher (45 comments) says:

    Elaycee:

    Thanks for taking the piss. If you are going to use that nutbar woman as an example of Muslim terrorism on NZ soil, then you might as well use her as an example of obese and black terrorism. Come to think of it–lets ban THEM! Oh, and is she not female–I thought the problem with with Muslim men?

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  60. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    Harriet:

    Young Middle Eastern males cannot ‘reason’ Pete as the Middle East is built on only two pillars : Pride and Shame.
    And before you call me a ‘bigot’, the above line was stated in a report about why Muslim males were so aggressive.

    And how is that different to aggressive young males in New Zealand? We have a major problem with violence here.

    One of the biggest risk sof violent harm is within families and from people you know.

    We have far bigger problems of our own without being paranoid about reaching some supposed magic number where one group of people are suddenly all going to turn into terrorists.

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  61. gnadsmasher (45 comments) says:

    Oh, and just for Bluntknives’ edification. The nutbar woman was charged and convicted of interfering with a flight crew, not terrorism. Bowled!

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  62. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Pete George (16,274) Says:
    February 15th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
    Harriet:

    Young Middle Eastern males cannot ‘reason’ Pete as the Middle East is built on only two pillars : Pride and Shame.

    Pete George says:
    And how is that different to aggressive young males in New Zealand? We have a major problem with violence here.

    We actually have a huge problem here with young males killing themselves here too. Pride and shame feature in those too.

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  63. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    Thanks for taking the piss.

    No worries – happy to help. You stated there had never been any Muslim person charged with an act of terrorism in NZ and I merely corrected your error.

    But if you really want me to take the piss, I can do so… after all, you’re an obvious target. :D

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  64. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Reference the try hard Pete George and our hosts blog on bigotry.

    The majority of votes were in favour of Prosser by a big margin here on KB.

    I believe this reflects the idea of how out of touch the political elite is. Same with Treaty issues.

    This is why there will never be a referendum on immigration or the Treaty. Our political masters ,for that is what they are these days,not our representatives,know best. They do not trust the electorate beyond what they must ie general elections.They can claim we live in a democracy ,but daily that democracy is undermined.

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  65. Weihana (4,621 comments) says:

    Elaycee (3,291) Says:
    February 15th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    The woman stabbed two pilots and a passenger / said she had a bomb and would blow the plane up / she tried to hijack the plane and get it to fly to Australia.

    And yet in your book that is not terrorism?????

    Depends how one defines terrorism. It often means the use of violence for political ends. In this context the Somali lady wasn’t a “terrorist” as much as she was a crazy nut who wanted to Fly to Australia in a B1900.

    I don’t think the word “terrorism” necessarily refers to aircraft hijacking. The murder of Theo van Gogh for instance. Similarly if you hijack a plane it doesn’t mean your motives are terrorism.

    And this example kinda underscores this whole issue. The Somali woman isn’t judged on her particular bad acts but rather is judged first on the fact that she is from Somalia.

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  66. Weihana (4,621 comments) says:

    kowtow (3,693) Says:
    February 15th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    The majority of votes were in favour of Prosser by a big margin here on KB.

    I believe this reflects the idea of how out of touch the political elite is…

    … or how out of touch you are with reality that you think Kiwiblog commentary is an accurate representation of overall public opinion.

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  67. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    The majority of votes were in favour of Prosser by a big margin here on KB.

    I believe this reflects the idea of how out of touch the political elite is.

    All that does is reflect the majority of people on Kiwiblog who can be bothered getting involved in a Muslim thread, and that’s only indicative at best, Like counts are easily manipulated.

    A poll on Stuff shows differently:

    Should MP Richard Prosser resign over his comments about Muslims?

    Yes 3371 votes, 70.3%

    No 1427 votes, 29.7%

    And some of those who thought he shouldn’t resign are likely to have thought he was a muppet as well.

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  68. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    A mafioso for POTUS? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/14/rahm-emanuel-toying-with-2016-presidential-run-sources-say.html

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  69. gnadsmasher (45 comments) says:

    Knock yourself out Elaycee. That her religion was incidental and had no bearing on her actions, or that she was not charged with terrorism, should not interfere with your having a go. After all, prejudice is by definition unfettered by reason and boy oh boy, have the reason-unfettered had a field day here on the subject of THE MUSLIM THREAT TO EVERYTHING THAT IS SACRED AND OTHERWISE A-OK UNTIL THEY GOT HERE.

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  70. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    PG
    I would give you an A plus plus for defending the indefensible..It is tiresome but you seem to never tire of doing it..In my early days on KB I politely said I would not be responding to you..I did not consider it a good use of my time and energy..Not much has changed.
    I read a few lines of the bigotry article and found it too naive for me to read..You seemed to consider it a gospel.I agree with
    others that you will only begin to wake up when the blade is at your throat. Sad really.
    Also , I would give you a PHD in splitting hairs.
    You can quote me whenever you like.

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  71. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    joanna

    I agree with others that you will only begin to wake up when the blade is at your throat. Sad really.

    What do you suggest? Banning all knives? Banning religion? Deporting anyone who a few paranoics on blogs think look like Muslims? Gulags? Gas chambers?

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  72. hj (7,182 comments) says:

    Abundant energy debunked:
    http://www.planetizen.com/node/60636

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  73. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    I’d be happy to see a referendum on the Treaty and on Muslim immigration.

    I believe in democracy.

    And when I say “referendum” I don’t mean the cynical NZ political elite versionn ,I mean real binding ones like in other democracies where the people are the highest authorities.

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  74. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    I’d be happy to see a referendum on the Treaty and on Muslim immigration.

    I believe in democracy.

    Would you be a happy to see a referendum on Atheist immigration? Christian immigration? Catholic immigration?

    If a referendum voted to base a constitution on the ToW would you be happy to accept that?

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  75. graham (2,348 comments) says:

    Pete George at 11:29

    I imagine the reason you chose not to quote my post from yesterday at 2:42 pm:

    From Hansard, Russel Norman wants us uphold the rights and dignity of all people. In particular, he wishes us to uphold the rights of Muslims.

    I don’t know about BeaB, but I’m not offended by this, personally

    The way Russel Norman has phrased this, he IS asking for more rights – freedoms, if you wish – to be upheld for Muslims.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/the_nature_of_bigotry.html#comment-1096645

    is because it didn’t quite fit in with the image you wished to portray when you wrote “Below is a sample of what some of the ‘bigots’ think about Islam.” So you found another quote which worked better for you.

    But whatever. The last thing I want to do is start up a mind-numbing discussion on the semantics of speech, Pete. I’ve said my piece – I’ll leave it to you as to what you do.

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  76. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Griff (4,244) Says:

    February 15th, 2013 at 6:48 am
    Fucken hopeless left right and fully anorexic
    I know climate change scares those on the right
    If it scares you face it not hide like axenuckle KK kea etc.
    Its is happening no amount of bullshit blogs are going to change that.

    Fair enough. So lets see what the “climate scientists say”… :)

    Data issued recently by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit confirmed that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.

    http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/291814/20120203/climate-scientists-predicts-mini-ice-age-future.htm#.URx72R2mgQh

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  77. Left Right and Centre (3,014 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/8185142/Kiwi-accent-killing-the-news

    Commenters that said it for me:

    Another1:

    *Totally agree – well put Lindsay. It’s part of a wider trend where we see the general dumbing down of society in New zealand. Where it’s cool to speak like an uneducated moron. I swear I’m surrounded by barely functioning neanderthals somedays, a.k.a, Mouth breathers.*

    MagicRat:

    *Because at the moment there is no such class system in NZ media…it’s not like you have to be either 1) white or 2) the “right” kind of “other” to read the news currently*

    S. Mind:

    *The Kiwi accent is part of who we are, I like that broadcasters are more relaxed about it. That being said I dislike it being emphasised, either by news media or by advertisers in particular, in the effort of being “Kiwi-er than thou”. For some reason this emphasis seems to only be on the harsh and muddy sort of accent – the Kiwi accent at its stereotypical worst. It doesn’t have to be this way though. Like any accent the Kiwi accent has it’s pleasant variants that are clear and its awful variants which are like listening to someone chew on a boot.

    Either way, people paid to talk for a living need to be able to enunciate regardless of accent.*

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  78. Left Right and Centre (3,014 comments) says:

    hahahahahaha….. ah shit, I love it….. **kiwi-er than thou**…. save that one to memory- that’s a keeper boy!!

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  79. Harriet (5,201 comments) says:

    Curious Pete#

    “…..Would you be a happy to see a referendum on Atheist immigration? Christian immigration? Catholic immigration?…’

    Yes Pete George I would!

    And abortion.
    And single file for cyclists.
    And gay Marriage.
    And the return of the Treason Laws.
    And a dress code for court rooms.
    And one to rename the Fire Service – the Road Crash Service.
    And to strengthen the Marriage Act.
    And….
    And…

    Shearer and Key are nothing more than flaccid metrosexuals – to concerned with ‘politics’ to admit that the development of their children into adults is the better part of their Marriages – and nearly all other Marriages.

    If that is the state of ‘leadership’ in NZ – then referendum is the only way to go.

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  80. noskire (835 comments) says:

    Coronation Street actor Michael Le Vell, who plays garage boss Kevin Webster in the TV soap, has been charged with child sex offences according to ITV and Stuff.

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  81. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    graham – I’ve already amended the post which included providing a link to that comment, and to others.

    Interesting that you said:

    You have misrepresented the overall statement I was trying to make, and used it to say I’m a bigot.

    And…

    I imagine the reason you chose not to quote my post from yesterday at 2:42 pm:
    …is because it didn’t quite fit in with the image you wished to portray when you wrote “Below is a sample of what some of the ‘bigots’ think about Islam.” So you found another quote which worked better for you.

    You have been selective yourself. In your complaints you have omitted these comments I made on the post:

    It’s not all bigotry, other descriptions could also be used, but bigotry is a big part.

    I’m not the only person who has seen a strong theme of bigotry in Kiwiblog threads. DPF’s post was all about exactly that, and you chose to contribute to it albeit in a relatively minor way – but you were making repeated claims of court favouratism towards Muslims that you didn’t support with any evidence and is refuted by the court procedures I quoted.

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  82. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    Some NZ exporters must be against the wall. NZD rising and rising:
    http://www.anz.co.nz/commercial-institutional/economic-markets-research/exchange-rate-graphs/nzd-usd/

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  83. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Brilliant, all our problems well be solved now because Aaron Gilmore has returned to Parliament, fuck the lists its ajoke, Gilmore, Prosser no one even knows these dicks and they can pass legislation that effects me aaaaah

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  84. Inky_the_Red (764 comments) says:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2013/feb/13/prince-charity-lobbied-government-homeopathy

    Our next head of state is funding the attack on science. Time to dump the royals and lock up the homeopathy nutters

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  85. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    SQUAWK

    I have posted a link to a trend calculator four times now asking that you or Wat show me the no warming since 1997 you keep going on about.

    Here is two links to global temperature trend calculators
    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/trend.php

    Telling unsupported lies even after being shown the truth is the action of a pathetic window licker.

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  86. RightNow (7,015 comments) says:

    Griff rss trend is negative since 1997 and most data sets are negative for the last decade. Time will tell

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  87. axeman (252 comments) says:

    Never mind Kea and RightNow. The CAGW cult is now in its death throes and 2013 will be the worst year for warmists since records began
    http://toryaardvark.com/2013/01/02/2013-will-be-the-worst-year-for-warmists-since-records-began/

    The only thing the ALARMISTS have got left is to foist on blogs such as this, their useful idiots like GREIF, the illiterate stoner from the north, spitting and snarling about earth scientists, geologists, meteoroligists and climate scientist “nutters” who have demonstrably shown up the global warming scam.

    Just like the “Pet Rock” fad of the 1970’s, “man-made global warming” is now officially part of pop culture past. It rode off into the warm sunset along with Al Gore’s relevance and Rosy O’Donnell’s television career. We can look forward to a future episode of “VH1’s I love the New Millennium” where they gather a bunch of comedians to time warp back to 2008 and cleverly lampoon all the environmental religious folks who scared school children into thinking the world was going to end in the name of man-made global warming. :-) :-) :-)

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  88. RightNow (7,015 comments) says:

    Also griff, nice of you to acknowledge Gleick and people who propagated his lies (yes, including you) as pathetic window lickers. I suggest you switch to licking lithium

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  89. Kacang (36 comments) says:

    @Andrei re:Hagia Sophia
    Are you saying that a building, in a predominantly Muslim country, that has not been a church for over 500 years, cannot be turned into whatever they want to do with it?
    Get a grip!

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  90. wat dabney (3,850 comments) says:

    Griff,

    As has been explained to you before, the “warming” since 1997 is so utterly insignificant that it falls within the margin of measurement error.

    It is an important technical term, central to the processing of statistics. You still clearly don’t understand what that means.

    However, the rest of us do.

    Contrast this 16 years of completely flat temperatures with the promised run-away warming confidently claimed by the alarmists. Their childish “theory” has been comprehensively trashed by the facts: Vastly more CO2 in the atmosphere yet temperatures completely unchanged in 16 years!

    And since you clearly don’t have a clue about this stuff, here are two charts which you won’t be able to dispute, since you cited the source. Two widely-used temperature sequences, both showing we have been cooling for a full decade:

    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from:2002/plot/gistemp/from:2002/trend
    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2002/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2002/trend

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  91. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Conspirowhacky :lol:
    its all over
    In your fevered imagination it is. In the real world we have.
    Obama
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-13/yes-obama-can-tackle-climate-change-alone.html
    U.S. President Barack Obama told the nation that he’s prepared to “act before it’s too late” and combat climate change through the White House if Congress is unwilling to lead.

    IPCC report this year AR5

    Still all major scientific bodies governments and university’s support the consensus view on the science behind global warming.

    :lol:

    Global Conspirowhackys are for NUTTERS.

    Here is my nutter conspiracy.
    http://tucsoncitizen.com/in-the-aggregate/2013/02/14/why-does-arizona-tolerate-the-koch-brothers-dictating-public-policy/
    http://americablog.com/2013/02/koch-climate-change-skeptics.html
    http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/exclusive-billionaires-secretly-fund-attacks-on-climate-science-8466312.html
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-gore/tea-party-koch-brothers-big-tobacco_b_2689380.html

    :lol: Sheepies being lead around.

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  92. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    U.S. President Barack Obama told the nation that he’s prepared to “act before it’s too late” and combat climate change through the White House if Congress is unwilling to lead.

    So what? Who cares what a politician wants in the US. His only motivation is votes.

    Are we to believe that the whole world is wrong and Griff is right ? I think not buddy :)

    Doha Fails Utterly – Only 37 Countries Agree To Extend Old Kyoto Treaty! “Lots Of Declarations Of Intent” Only 37 of 194 countries signed on. That means the treaty is internationally non-binding.

    http://notrickszone.com/2012/12/08/doha-fails-utterly-only-37-countries-agree-to-extend-old-kyoto-treaty-lots-of-declarations-of-intent/

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  93. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    It’s still Valentines day here. I was just reminded by a fellow Kiwi of a NZ poem:
    Roses are stupid, Violets are silly, Grease up your flaps, Cos here comes my willy.

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  94. Viking2 (11,684 comments) says:

    Defence counsel Paul Paino agreed the attack had been senseless, unprovoked and violent.

    But he said Waipuka had committed no serious acts of violence in the past and had offered to plead guilty to manslaughter
    (remember this bit)

    but

    Phil Cottrell’s family is horrified his killer was on intensive supervision when the Wellington journalist was fatally beaten in a callous attack.

    They learned details of Nicho Waipuka’s violent past only when he was sentenced to 12 years and 10 months in prison in the High Court at Wellington today.

    and

    It was revealed today that just over two weeks before the attack, Waipuka had been sentenced to intensive supervision after he punched a stranger in the head, knocking him to the ground.

    Phil Cottrell’s family is horrified his killer was on intensive supervision when the Wellington journalist was fatally beaten in a callous attack.

    They learned details of Nicho Waipuka’s violent past only when he was sentenced to 12 years and 10 months in prison in the High Court at Wellington today.

    Waipuka, 20, was cleared of murder but found guilty of manslaughter by a High Court jury in December.

    His co-accused Manuel Robinson, 18, was cleared of all charges.

    Mr Cottrell, who had brittle bones as a result of a genetic condition, suffered a shattered skull in the attack as he walked home from work at Radio New Zealand in central Wellington early on December 10, 2011.

    He died in hospital the next day.

    It was revealed today that just over two weeks before the attack, Waipuka had been sentenced to intensive supervision after he punched a stranger in the head, knocking him to the ground.

    The judge at the time noted he should be sent to prison – but instead gave Waipuka a “last chance” by imposing a sentence of intensive supervision.

    Seventeen days later, Waipuka went into town intending to “knock someone out”.

    Waipuka pleaded guilty to assault and was sentenced on November 22.

    Waipuka, 20, was cleared of murder but found guilty of manslaughter by a High Court jury in December.

    Worse:
    Justice Forrest Miller said
    Waipuka had 24 previous convictions dating to July 2009, including assault and threatening to kill.

    “I think that you enjoy violence and that you use it casually to get what you want,” he told Waipuka, who remained impassive in the dock throughout sentencing.

    ——————————————
    The two points that need reconciling with this are.
    1.
    Defence counsel Paul Paino said Waipuka had committed no serious acts of violence in the past and had offered to plead guilty to manslaughter.
    .
    Clearly this is an untrue statement of facts. IMHO this counsel should be called for contempt of court for blatantly lying to Judge . This is completely unacceptable. We appoint these people to a system of justice that relies on people telling the truth. If the practichioners of the system tell untruths how can anyone have any faith in the veracity of the system and therefore justice.

    2. Justice Forrest Miller said Waipuka had 24 previous convictions dating to July 2009, including assault and threatening to kill.

    “I think that you enjoy violence and that you use it casually to get what you want,” he told Waipuka, who remained impassive in the dock throughout sentencing.

    Mr Cottrell’s brother-in-law, Heath Hollows, told reporters outside court he was angry Waipuka had been on intensive supervision at the time.

    “We found that out just before we walked into the court this morning, and that was like an earthquake. It’s just rocked us.”

    Again this is contrary to the truth that must have been known to the Defense Council yet according to the report he still repeated this untruth in court to the Judge.

    We should be asking what the Judge intends to do about correcting this type of behavoir by the defence Counsell. Even though the Judge probably knew the truth telling falsehoods in court by Counsell is appalling behavoir.

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  95. Viking2 (11,684 comments) says:

    Horror as killer’s violent past revealed

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10865565

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  96. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    “In the real world we have.
    Obama
    U.S. President Barack Obama told the nation that he’s prepared to “act before it’s too late” and combat climate change through the White House if Congress is unwilling to lead.”

    So he is willing to act even if no one agrees with him.

    Or is he…?

    2012 was an unprecedented year of disaster and defeat for the Greens and warming alarmists, it was a year that on the face of it offered much hope to the watermelons, in June there was going to be the Rio+20 Earth Summit, COP18 in Doha was going to build on the progress of COP17 and the Durban Platform and the European Union was going to single-handedly enforce a flying tax on the world.

    Many nations including the US, China and India prohibited their airlines from taking part in the EU flying tax…

    http://toryaardvark.com/2013/01/02/2013-will-be-the-worst-year-for-warmists-since-records-began/

    Please stop the lies Griff :)

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  97. RightNow (7,015 comments) says:

    Valentines day, I was happy enough when my wife presented me with an empty box.

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  98. Viking2 (11,684 comments) says:

    Monique Watson (921) Says:
    February 15th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    It’s still Valentines day here. I was just reminded by a fellow Kiwi of a NZ poem:
    Roses are stupid, Violets are silly, Grease up your flaps, Cos here comes my willy.
    ——————————
    Really! YOU have a willy?

    You have blown your cover.

    Sherlock has found you out Watson.

    http://screencast.com/t/yRQvgEG0M

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  99. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Viking2, the Judge had the full criminal history of the defendant and a pre-sentence report with further information.

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  100. iMP (2,457 comments) says:

    Meteorites are falling over Russia right now ahead of the asteroid at 2.30am Sat NZ time. Video footage here:

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/02/15/asteroids-falling-over-russia-now/

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  101. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Thanks iMP.

    A METEOR shower caused explosions in the lower atmosphere above Russia’s Urals region, blowing out windows in some areas and leaving several people injured.

    “A meteorite exploded above the Chelyabinsk region (of the Urals). The shock wave blew out windows in several places,” but no meteor fragments hit the ground, an emergencies ministry spokesman told the Interfax news agency.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/meteorite-strike-blast-injures-russians/story-e6frg6so-1226578992644

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  102. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    PG @ 11.42am

    PG, you are missing the point. So back to the classroom and read what he said and what you said. Your response was so well oiled with self-justification that it started to slide down my screen. This was very disconcerting and gave me a health scare because I hadn’t touched a drop.

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  103. axeman (252 comments) says:

    “In the real world we have.
    Obama
    U.S. President Barack Obama told the nation that he’s prepared to “act before it’s too late” and combat climate change through the White House if Congress is unwilling to lead.”

    WTF?

    As uberALARMIST James Hansen put it in 2009: President ‘has four years to save Earth’

    Now in 2013 more CAGW nutjobs said: MIT to Obama: Only 4 years left to stop global warming
    https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/01/12/obama-granted-last-minute-reprieve/

    The CO2 gods are truly merciful and benevolent. :-) :-)

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  104. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    The teacher answered the door and one of his pupils was standing there holding a can of spray paint.

    “Sorry to disturb you at home Sir,” he said, “but how do you spell your surname, and is there an ‘a’ in ‘pedophile’?”

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  105. axeman (252 comments) says:

    “Meteorites are falling over Russia right now ahead of the asteroid at 2.30am Sat NZ time”

    Don’t you know it is all the fault of that evil GLOBAL WARMING :-)

    http://i0.wp.com/www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/image0031.jpeg?fit=517%2C272

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  106. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Warning heavy flurry of nut Job links.
    :lol:
    Nothing like a climate denial nutter for a laugh.
    conspirowhackys r go

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  107. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    “conspirowhackys”

    Like BIG OIL and the shadowy “Carbon Industry” ?

    (Carbon means organic. All known life is carbon based. Griff likes to play on peoples ignorance and have them think carbon is a bad thing or a pollutant. It simply means Organic. Things like carrots, kittens, dolphins and crude oil are all organic.)

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  108. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    axeman (136) Says:
    February 15th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
    “Meteorites are falling over Russia right now ahead of the asteroid at 2.30am Sat NZ time”

    Don’t you know it is all the fault of that evil GLOBAL WARMING

    Check out the link. Its fun :)

    http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

    A complete list of things caused by global warming

    Apologies for a temporary delay in updating the dead link list

    AIDS, Afghan poppies destroyed, African holocaust, aged deaths, poppies more potent, Africa devastated, Africa in conflict, African aid threatened, aggressive weeds, Air France crash, air pockets, air pressure changes, airport farewells virtual, airport malaria, Agulhas current, Alaskan towns slowly destroyed, Al Qaeda and Taliban Being Helped, allergy increase, allergy season longer, alligators in the Thames, Alps melting, Amazon a desert, American dream end, amphibians breeding earlier (or not), anaphylactic reactions to bee stings, ancient forests dramatically changed, animals head for the hills, animals shrink, Antarctic grass flourishes, Antarctic ice grows, Antarctic ice shrinks, Antarctic sea life at risk, anxiety treatment, algal blooms, archaeological sites threatened, Arctic bogs melt, Arctic in bloom, Arctic ice free, Arctic ice melt faster, Arctic lakes disappear, Arctic tundra lost, Arctic warming (not), a rose by any other name smells of nothing, asteroid strike risk, asthma, Atlantic less salty, Atlantic more salty, atmospheric circulation modified, attack of the killer jellyfish, avalanches reduced, avalanches increased, Baghdad snow, Bahrain under water, bananas grow, barbarisation, bats decline, beer and bread prices to soar, beer better, beer worse, beetle infestation, beef shortage, bet for $10,000, big melt faster, billion dollar research projects, billion homeless, billions face risk, billions of deaths, bird loss accelerating, bird populations dying, bird strikes, bird visitors drop, birds confused, birds decline (Wales), birds driven north, birds face longer migrations, birds on long migrations threatened, birds return early, birds shrink(Aus), birds shrink (USA), bittern boom ends, blackbirds stop singing, blackbirds threatened, Black Hawk down, blizzards, blood contaminated, blue mussels return, borders redrawn, bluetongue, brains shrink, brewers droop, bridge collapse (Minneapolis), Britain one big city, Britain Siberian, Britain’s bananas, British monsoon, brothels struggle, brown Ireland, bubonic plague, Buddhist temple threatened, building collapse, building season extension, bushfires, butterflies move north, butterflies reeling, butterfly saved, carbon crimes, caribou decline, Cambodian sex trade fuelled, camel deaths, cancer, cancer deaths in England, cannibalism, cataracts, cats more amorous, caterpillar biomass shift, cave paintings threatened, chagas disease, childhood insomnia, children’s mental health, chocolate shortage, Cholera, circumcision in decline, cirrus disappearance, civil unrest, cloud increase, clownfish get lost, coast beauty spots lost, cockroach migration, cod go south, coffee threatened, coffee berry borer, coffee berry disease, cold climate creatures survive, cold spells, cold spells (Australia), colder waters (Long Island), cold wave (India), cold weather (world), cold winters, computer models, conferences, conflict, conflict with Russia, consumers foot the bill, coral bleaching, coral fish suffer, coral reefs dying, coral reefs grow, coral reefs shrink, coral reefs twilight, cost of trillions, cougar attacks, crabgrass menace, cradle of civilisation threatened, creatures move uphill, crime increase, crocodile sex, crocodiles driven from water, crops devastated, crop failures increase, cross-breeding, crumbling roads, buildings and sewage systems, cryptococcal disease, curriculum change, cyclones (Australia), damselflies forced back to UK, danger to kid’s health, Darfur, Dartford Warbler plague, daylight increase, deadly virus outbreaks, death rate increase (US), death rate drop, deaths to reach 6 million, decades of progress at risk, Dengue hemorrhagic fever, depression, desert advance, desert retreat, destruction of the environment, dig sites threatened, disasters, diseases move north, diving reefs closed, dog disease, dozen deadly diseases – or not, drought, ducks and geese decline, dust bowl in the corn belt, dust doubles, earlier pollen season, Earth axis tilt, Earth biodiversity crisis, Earth crumbling, Earth dying, Earth even hotter, Earth light dimming, Earth lopsided, Earth melting, Earth morbid fever, Earth on fast track, Earth past point of no return, Earth slowing down, Earth spins faster, Earth to explode, earth upside down, earthquakes, earthquakes redux, El Niño intensification, end of the world as we know it, erosion, emerging infections, encephalitis, English villages lost, equality threatened, Europe simultaneously baking and freezing, eutrophication, everyplace hit hardest, expansion of university climate groups, extinctions (apes, human, civilisation, koalas, lizards, logic, Inuit, smallest butterfly, cod, penguins, pikas, polar bears, possums, walrus, tigers, toads, turtles, pandas, penguins, plants, ladybirds, rhinoceros, salmon, trout, wild flowers, woodlice, a million species, half of all animal and plant species, mountain species, not polar bears, barrier reef, leaches, salamanders, tropical insects, flowers) experts muzzled, extreme changes to California, fading fall foliage, famine, farmers benefit, farmers go under, farm output boost, farming soil decline, fashion disaster, fever, figurehead sacked, fir cone bonanza, fires fanned in Nepal, fish bigger, fish catches drop, fish downsize, fish deaf, fish feminised, fish get lost, fish head north, fish lopsided, fish shrinking, fish stocks at risk, fish stocks decline, five million illnesses, flesh eating disease, flies on Everest, flood patterns change, floods, floods of beaches and cities, flood of migrants, flood preparation for crisis, flora dispersed, Florida economic decline, flowers in peril, flowers wilt, flying squirrels move up, fog increase in San Francisco, fog decrease in San Francisco, food poisoning, food prices rise, food prices soar, food production increased, food safety affected, food security threat (SA), football team migration, forest decline, forest expansion, foundations threatened, foundations increase grants, frog with extra heads, frosts, frostbite, frost damage increased, fungi fruitful, fungi invasion, fungi rot the world, games change, Garden of Eden wilts, geese decline in Hampshire, genetic changes, genetic diversity decline, gene pools slashed, geysers imperiled, giant icebergs (Australia), giant icebergs (Arctic), giant oysters invade, giant pythons invade, giant squid migrate, gingerbread houses collapse, glacial earthquakes, glacial retreat, glacier grows (California), glaciers on Snowden, glacier wrapped, glass melts, global cooling, glowing clouds, golf course to drown, golf Masters wrecked, grain output drop (China), grain output stagnating (India), grandstanding, grasslands wetter, gravity shift, Great Barrier Reef 95% dead, great tits cope, greening of the North, Grey whales lose weight, Gulf Stream failure, habitat loss, haggis threatened, Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, harvest increase, harvest shrinkage, hay fever epidemic, health affected, health of children harmed, health risks, health risks (even more), heart deaths, heart disease, heart attacks and strokes (Australia), heat waves, hedgehogs bald, hibernation affected, hibernation ends too soon, hibernation ends too late, homeless 50 million, home runs, hornets, human development faces unprecedented reversal, human fertility reduced, human health risk, human race oblivion, human rights violations, hurricanes, hurricane reduction, hurricanes fewer, hurricanes more intense, hurricanes not, hydropower problems, hyperthermia deaths, hyphthermia deaths, ice age, ice hockey extinct, ice sheet growth, ice sheet shrinkage, icebergs, ice sheet tipping point, illegal immigration, illness and death, inclement weather, India drowning, infrastructure failure (Canada), indigestion, industry threatened, infectious diseases, inflation in China, insect explosion, insect invasion, insurance premium rises, Inuit displacement, Inuit poisoned, Inuit suing, invasion of alien worms, invasion of Antarctic aliens, invasion of Asian carp, invasion of cane toads, invasion of caterpillars, invasion of cats, invasion of crabgrass, invasion of herons, invasion of jellyfish, invasion of king crabs, invasion of lampreys, invasion of midges, invasion of pine beetles, invasion of rats (China), invasion of slugs, island disappears, islands sinking, Italy robbed of pasta, itchier poison ivy, Japan’s cherry blossom threatened, jellyfish explosion, jets fall from sky, Kew Gardens taxed, kidney stones, killer cornflakes, killing us, kitten boom, koalas leaves inedible, koalas under threat, krill decline, lake empties, lake shrinking and growing, landslides, landslides of ice at 140 mph, large trees decline, lawsuits increase, lawsuit successful, lawyers’ income increased (surprise surprise!), lawyers want more, legionnaires’ surge, lives lost, lizards super intelligent, lives saved, lobsters grow, Loch Ness monster dead, locust plagues suppressed, low oxygen zones threaten sea life, lush growth in rain forests, Lyme disease, Major vegetation shifts, Malaria, Malaria decline, malnutrition, mammoth dung melt, mammoth ivory bonanza, manatees battle, mango harvest fails, Maple production advanced, Maple syrup shortage, marmots fatter, marine diseases, marine food chain decimated, Meaching (end of the world), Meat eating to stop, Mediterranean rises, megacryometeors, Melanoma, Melanoma decline, mental health decline, mental illness, methane emissions from plants, methane burps, methane runaway, melting permafrost, Mexican climate migrant flood, Middle Kingdom convulses, migration, migratory birds huge losses, microbes to decompose soil carbon more rapidly, milk production lost, minorities hit, monkeys at risk, monkeys on the move, Mont Blanc grows, monuments imperiled, moose dying, more bad air days, more research needed, mortality increased, mosquitoes adapting, mountain (Everest) shrinking, mountaineers fears, mountains break up, mountains green and flowering, mountains taller, mortality lower, Mubarak fall, murder rate increase, musk ox decline, Myanmar cyclone, narwhals at risk, narwhals suffocate, National Parks damaged, National security implications, native wildlife overwhelmed, natural disasters quadruple, neurological diseases, new islands, next ice age, NFL threatened, Nile delta damaged, noctilucent clouds, no effect in India, Northwest Passage opened, nuclear plants bloom, oaks dying, oaks move north, obesity, oblivion, ocean acidification, ocean acidification faster, ocean dead spots, ocean dead zones unleashed, ocean deserts expand, ocean salt extremes, ocean oxygen crisis, ocean waves speed up, Olympic Games to end, opera house to be destroyed, outdoor hockey threatened, owls turn brown, oxygen depletion zones, oyster herpes, ozone repair slowed, ozone rise, peat bogs problem, peat bogs no problem, penguin chicks frozen, penguin chicks smaller, penguins in the dark, penguin populations devastated, penguins replaced by jellyfish, penguins sex lives affected, personal carbon rationing, pest outbreaks, pests increase, pets in danger, phenology shifts, pines decline, pirate population decrease, pirates run rampant, plankton blooms, plankton plummeting, plankton wiped out, plants lose protein, plants march north, plants move uphill, polar bears aggressive, polar bears cannibalistic, polar bears deaf, polar bears drowning, polar bears fewer cubs, polar tours scrapped, pollination halved, porpoise astray, profits collapse, psychiatric illness, psychological effects, puffin decline, pushes poor women into prostitution, rabid bats, radars taken out, rail network threatened, railroad tracks deformed, rainfall increase, rainforest destruction, rape wave, refugees, reindeer endangered, reindeer larger, release of ancient frozen viruses, resorts disappear, respiratory diseases worsen, rice less fragrant, rice production fall, rice threatened, rice yields crash, rift on Capitol Hill, rioting and nuclear war, river flow impacted, river rerouted, rivers raised, road accidents, roads wear out, robins rampant, rocky peaks crack apart, roof of the world a desert, rooftop bars, Ross river disease, Russia under pressure, salinity reduction, salinity increase, Salmonella, salmon stronger, sardine run unpredictable, satellites accelerate, Schmallenberg virus, school closures, sea level rise, sea level rise faster, sea snot, seals mating more, seismic activity, sewer bills rise, severe thunderstorms, sex change, sexual dysfunction, sexual promiscuity, shark attacks, sharks booming, sharks hybridise, sharks moving north, sheep change colour, sheep shrink, shop closures, short-nosed dogs endangered, shrimp sex problems, shrinking ponds, shrinking sheep, shrinking shrine, Sidney Opera House wiped out, ski resorts threatened, slavery, skinks impacted, slow death, smaller brains, smog, snowfall decrease, snowfall increase, snowfall heavy, snow thicker, soaring food prices, societal collapse, soil change, soil subsidence, songbirds change eating habits, sour grapes, soybean crop to drop, space junk increase, space problem, spectacular orchids, spider danger in UK, spider bites to increase, spiders getting bigger, spiders invade Scotland, squid aggressive giants, squid larger, squid population explosion, squid tamed, squirrels reproduce earlier, starfish sperm eaten by parasites, stingray invasion, storm damage costs rise, storms wetter, stratospheric cooling, street crime to increase, subsidence, suicide, sunset displaced, swordfish in the Baltic, Tabasco tragedy, taxes, tea flavour change, tectonic plate movement, teenage prostitution, terrorists (India), thatched cottages at risk, threat to peace, ticks move northward (Sweden), tides rise, tigers eat people, tigers drown, tomatoes rot, tornado outbreak, tourism increase, toxic bacteria, toxic seaweed, trade barriers, trade winds weakened, traffic jams, transport snarl, transportation threatened, tree foliage increase (UK), tree growth slowed, tree growth faster, trees grow too fast, trees in trouble, trees less colourful, trees more colourful, trees lush, trees on Antarctica, treelines change, tropics expansion, tropopause raised, truffle shortage, truffles down, truffles increase, turtles crash, turtle feminised, turtles lay earlier, UFO sightings, UK coastal impact, UK Katrina, vampire bats, Venice flooded, volcanic eruptions, volcanoes awakened in Iceland, walnuts threatened, walrus pups orphaned, walrus stampede, walruses come ashore, wars over water, wars sparked, wars threaten billions, wasps, water bills double, water shortage to increase vegetarianism, wave of natural disasters, waves bigger, weather out of its mind, weather patterns awry, weather patterns last longer, Western aid cancelled out, West Nile fever, whale beachings, whales lose weight, whales move north, whales wiped out, wheat rust in Syria, wheat yields crushed in Australia, wild boars thrive, wildfires, wind shift, wind reduced, winds stronger, winds weaker, wine – Australian baked, , wine industry damage (California), wine industry disaster (US), wine – more English, wine – no more French , wine – England too hot, wine -German boon, wine passé (Napa), wine – Scotland best, wine stronger, winters in Britain colder, winter in Britain dead, witchcraft executions, wolverine decline, wolverines vanish, wolves eat more moose, wolves eat less, women cheat on vacation, workers laid off, World at war, World War 4, Yellow fever, zebra mussel threat, zoonotic diseases.

    and all on 0.006 deg C per year!

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  109. publicwatchdog (3,156 comments) says:

    Howdy Kiwibloggers!

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/supreme-court-ignore-government-deadline-water-rights-decision-bd-135939

    Interesting that the Supreme Court released their ‘Minute’ (effectively ignoring the Government’s deadline of 18 February 2013 – the day after the 13 February 2013 rallies/protests against asset sales in both Wellington and Auckland?

    ______________________________________________________________________________________________

    Want a bit of light weekend reading?

    (After you’ve helped collect some more signatures on the asset sale referendum? :)

    “Treasury has released a substantial number of documents related to the mixed ownership process on the COMU website, including papers produced prior to the election. You can access these documents by following this link

    http://www.comu.govt.nz/publications/information-releases/mixed-ownership-model/index.html

    (Direct from Treasury! THROW AWAY YOUR ‘WOMEN’S WEEKLY’! ;)

    Cheers!

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2013

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  110. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    This is a very interesting short video.

    I was surprised to learn that a by-product of the process is Gibb, used in wall linings. There are also other useful by-products of burning Coal. It really is remarkable organic product.

    How do you make electricity from coal – animated video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_CcrgKLyzc

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  111. axeman (252 comments) says:

    Kea, and while we are on The Kenyan only having FOUR MORE YEARS to save the planet :-) (by implementing a job-killing climate change agenda) it looks like Congress could indeed vote against it:
    Luetkemeyer Seeks to Prohibit Federal Funding for Job-Killing UN Climate Change Initiatives

    WASHINGTON, D.C. _ Following last night’s State of the Union Address in which the president pledged to implement a job-killing climate change agenda, U.S. Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer (MO-3) today introduced legislation to prohibit the United States from contributing taxpayer dollars to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC).

    Luetkemeyer said the IPCC has received a great deal of criticism over the last several years, particularly when emails publicly released from a university in England showed that leading global scientists intentionally manipulated climate data and suppressed legitimate arguments in peer-reviewed journals. Researchers were asked to delete and destroy emails so that a small number of scientists could continue to advance their environmental agenda. Since that time, more than 700 acclaimed scientists have challenged claims made by IPCC. Luetkemeyer added that UNFCCC uses IPCC suggestions and data to implement its job-killing agenda.

    “The American people should not have to foot the bill for an international organization that is fraught with waste, engaged in dubious science, and is promoting an agenda that will destroy jobs and drive up the cost of energy in the United States,” Luetkemeyer said. “Unfortunately, the president appears to be ready to fund these groups, revive harmful policies like cap and trade, and further empower out of control federal regulators at a time when we should be doing everything possible to cut wasteful spending, reduce regulatory red tape, and promote economic growth.”

    Under the Obama administration, IPCC and UNFCCC have received an average of $10.25 million annually from U.S. taxpayers and the president’s FY13 budget included a $13 million request. Comparatively, the Bush administration was averaging roughly $5.7 million in annual contributions before reports of gross scientific misconduct. Since then, the Obama administration has nearly doubled U.S. contributions to IPCC and UNFCCC.

    Luetkemeyer added that his bill would not only prohibit the aforementioned contributions as reported by federal agencies, but would also apply to in-kind contributions that often go unreported.

    Luetkemeyer introduced legislation in the 111th and 112th Congresses to prohibit funding for the IPCC, but this year added UNFCCC to the legislation because the group uses IPCC’s suggestions and data to implement its job-killing agenda.

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  112. Azeraph (612 comments) says:

    I thought it was impossible to track and lock a incoming meteor and bring it down with a missile?

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  113. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Pigeon chess time

    kea you are as full of shit as the kaka ponds.
    have a look at my links above its documented proof that certain people and corporations in the energy industry are deliberately spreading the bullshit on the the denial blogs. We even have WUWT Joe Nova and others admitting they received funding from these sources. We also have authenticated documents that lay out the policy of misinformation that would be followed By oil industry agents
    Fuckwits like you believe any thing Baaa baaa go the sheepies.
    Especially fuckwits that make up shit yet can not prove what they keep saying.

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  114. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Alternative energy news

    The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies: (This is just in the USA people) :)

    Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
    SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
    Solyndra ($535 million)*
    Beacon Power ($43 million)*
    Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
    SunPower ($1.2 billion)
    First Solar ($1.46 billion)
    Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
    EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
    Amonix ($5.9 million)
    Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
    Abound Solar ($400 million)*
    A123 Systems ($279 million)*
    Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
    Johnson Controls ($299 million)
    Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
    ECOtality ($126.2 million)
    Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
    Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
    Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
    Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
    Range Fuels ($80 million)*
    Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
    Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
    Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
    GreenVolts ($500,000)
    Vestas ($50 million)
    LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
    Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
    Navistar ($39 million)
    Satcon ($3 million)*
    Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
    Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
    *Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

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  115. Azeraph (612 comments) says:

    axeman (137) Says:
    February 15th, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    Sounds like what national is doing here. Kill jobs, set it up for asians and indians who will work for nothing then call it job creation using the excuse of old industries die while new emerge to fill the void. They just forgot to tell everyone that it takes a couple of years of extreme change and unemployment and law changes to bring it into effect.

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  116. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    have a look at my links above its documented proof that certain people and corporations in the energy industry are deliberately spreading the bullshit on the the denial blogs. We even have WUWT Joe Nova and others admitting they received funding from these sources.

    1. Who do the AGW supporters receive funding from ?

    2. Could they get that funding if AGW was proven false ?

    Oil companies make money from OIL. There is no money in denial of AGW. Oil company web sites confirm they support AGW theory. They do this to protect their public image. They spend many millions on public relations, to appear “green”.

    Buying into the AGW hoax is a win-win situation for oil companies, because there is no shortage of demand for their product. People can not get enough of it. The biggest markets do not even give a shit, like China, about AGW.

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  117. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    “The China Petroleum and Chemical Industry Federation estimated that apparent crude consumption will increase 5.3 percent year on year to 480 million tonnes in 2012, or 9.6 million barrels per day, compared with its forecast of a rise of around 3.5 percent in 2011.”

    “Crude oil futures prices breached nine-month highs in early February as improved economic signals from China and the US, robust financial market activity and colder temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere buoyed market sentiment.”

    “Oil prices started rising much sooner in 2012 than they did in 2011. The price for WTI crude oil broke above $100 a barrel on February 13, 2012, two weeks earlier than in 2011.Rising oil prices drove gas prices above $3.50 a gallon that same week. Gas prices had already breached $3.50 a gallon on the East and West coasts in January.”

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  118. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Shit for brains if we are going to stop the impact of global warming we need to reduce co2 emissions by burning less oil.
    Oil company’s make money out of selling oil
    They are valued on the reserves of oil they hold
    If we reduce burning oil their reserves become worth less money
    They will sell less oil so make less money.

    If you can not understand theses simple concepts you are a window licker :lol:
    Sorry you are a window licker but this problem with comprehension you have just makes it more obvious

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  119. Rodders (1,756 comments) says:

    THROW AWAY YOUR ‘WOMEN’S WEEKLY’

    And this coming from someone who throws away all her rates demands!

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  120. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Griff… back to my questions

    1. Who do the AGW supporters receive funding from ?

    2. Could they get that funding if AGW was proven false ?

    3. How much is the AGW alarmist industry worth globally ? ( to the nearest few trillion dollars will do)

    Bad news buddy. There is no shortage of demand for oil and that will not change any time soon. The only people who think like you are a few middle class Westerners. The other 99.9999% of the world want to burn heaps of oil and get rich. Suck it up hippy boy :)

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  121. noskire (835 comments) says:

    BlackCaps back to form. FFS…

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  122. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Squawk
    Very noble of one with so few active brain cells to “Think” for the other 99.9999% :lol:
    Your statistic was pulled from : wwwfactsfromoutyourarse.com

    Mostly concerned governments fund climate science seems that all major scientific bodies most governments the us 97% of publishing climate scientist after evaluating the scientific evidence have decided it is actually a problem.

    You fail to get the significance of the oil industry feeding bullshit to idiots like you to delay the inevitable reduction in hydrocarbon usage. There is only so much co2 we can safely put into earths atmosphere the more we use now the less we will be able to use in the future.

    Your cognitive bias allows you to discount any source of science and put your faith in propaganda laid out in front of you. by people paid to dissipate false information.
    still trying to say its all a hoax by dishonest scientists
    all 30,000 of them
    …..EH……
    science does not work in a vacuum its built staidly and carefully over many years. ideas are explored and discarded or superseded as more more research is completed.
    The ultimate career boost for any scientist would be to disprove AGW You would get a noble and the pick of important positions. Any new finding capable of overturning the current consensuses would severely compromise the present understanding in some major branches of chemistry, biology, physics, paleontology …..

    Window licker :lol:

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  123. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Griff, there you go again: “by people paid to dissipate false information.” Paid by whom Griff ?. Tell us about it…

    I will repeat the awkward questions.

    1. Who do the AGW supporters receive funding from ?

    2. Could they get that funding if AGW was proven false ?

    3. How much is the AGW alarmist industry worth globally ? ( to the nearest few trillion dollars will do)

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  124. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling

    Climate change itself is already in the process of definitively rebutting climate alarmists who think human use of fossil fuels is causing ultimately catastrophic global warming. That is because natural climate cycles have already turned from warming to cooling, global temperatures have already been declining for more than 10 years, and global temperatures will continue to decline for another two decades or more.

    The conference featured serious natural science, contrary to the self-interested political science you hear from government financed global warming alarmists seeking to justify widely expanded regulatory and taxation powers for government bodies, or government body wannabees, such as the United Nations. See for yourself, as the conference speeches are online.

    What you will see are calm, dispassionate presentations by serious, pedigreed scientists discussing and explaining reams of data. In sharp contrast to these climate realists, the climate alarmists have long admitted that they cannot defend their theory that humans are causing catastrophic global warming in public debate. With the conference presentations online, let’s see if the alarmists really do have any response.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/05/31/sorry-global-warming-alarmists-the-earth-is-cooling/

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  125. axeman (252 comments) says:

    Aww c’mon Kea. Give it a break. The gwiffknuckle is about to blow a fufu valve! He is already on 50 demerit points :-(
    Shades of the other idiot troll that used to post here, Phil manURE …. eh?

    As you probably realise GRIEF’s level of argument is the one presented by the other CAGW cultists. The headcount fallacy and appeal to authority. They still haven’t worked out that, as Einstein said, it only takes one to prove them wrong.

    BTW The Global Warming Cult and the Death of Science

    “………”If you believe that freedom is at the core of what it means to be human, then the ALARMISTS and what they stand for are instinctively repulsive to you. On the other hand, if you believe that human society must be organized into a moral collective for the betterment of all, then the ALARMIST idea provides a wake up call compelling us to form into ranks and goose step in recycled rubber boots into the [green] future. ”

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  126. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    axeman, I worry about Griff. He has two lovely kids, Moonbeam & Aquarius. A gorgeous vegan wife, Karma, whom he should be sitting up on deck with sharing a joint. Yet he frets constantly about the world ending.

    Notice the increasing levels of abuse in his posts?

    At first I thought he had just brought some bad weed, but it has become a pattern now. He is really rather nasty and aggressive, though as a frail, pallid, apprehensive vegan he probably presents minimal physical threat to others.

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  127. axeman (252 comments) says:

    Yep he is displaying the abusive keyboard warrior syndrome, a trait not usely seen in wacky backy indolents.

    Maybe he could front up IN PERSON to Chris Monckton when he is down here to remind Australians and NZers that there is NO GLOBAL WARMING.

    And introduce himself into a debate with:
    “My name is Griff, a stoner from up north and I read skepticalscience.com, like, all the time. And I think you are full of shit”
    That should do it :-)

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  128. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    axeman, I googled “The Global Warming Cult and the Death of Science”

    A very good article. It speaks to the human factors around the formation of the cult and the true motivations behind it. Griff seems unable to comprehend these things. I think he may have Asperger’s syndrome.

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  129. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Buddy friends how cute.
    Two window lickers holding hands over the net.

    Chris Monckton
    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3688054.htm
    The Rise Up Australia Party is the brainchild of Christian preacher Daniel Nalliah.
    He’s anti-Islamic, claims to have raised people from the dead and once blamed the Black Saturday bushfires on Victoria’s abortion laws.

    Today he launched his new party with help from renowned climate change sceptic Lord Monckton.

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2011/july/letter-to-viscount-monckton/
    I must therefore again ask that you desist from claiming to be a Member of the House of Lords, either directly or by implication, and also that you desist from claiming to be a Member “without the right to sit or vote”.

    I am publishing this letter on the parliamentary website so that anybody who wishes to check whether you are a Member of the House of Lords can view this official confirmation that you are not..

    Some hero does he lick windows as well?

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  130. Left Right and Centre (3,014 comments) says:

    from a griff riff:

    Fuckwits like you believe any thing Baaa baaa go the sheepies.

    Especially fuckwits that make up shit yet can not prove what they keep saying.

    dick

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