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		<title>By: Left Right and Centre</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_15_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097487</link>
		<dc:creator>Left Right and Centre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[from a griff riff:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Fuckwits like you believe any thing Baaa baaa go the sheepies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Especially fuckwits that make up shit yet can not prove what they keep saying.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

dick]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from a griff riff:</p>
<blockquote><p>Fuckwits like you believe any thing Baaa baaa go the sheepies.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Especially fuckwits that make up shit yet can not prove what they keep saying.</p></blockquote>
<p>dick</p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_15_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097469</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Buddy friends how cute.
Two window lickers holding hands over the net.

Chris Monckton
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3688054.htm
The Rise Up Australia Party is the brainchild of Christian preacher Daniel Nalliah.
He&#039;s anti-Islamic, claims to have raised people from the dead and once blamed the Black Saturday bushfires on Victoria&#039;s abortion laws.

Today he launched his new party with help from renowned climate change sceptic Lord Monckton.


http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2011/july/letter-to-viscount-monckton/
I must therefore again ask that you desist from claiming to be a Member of the House of Lords, either directly or by implication, and also that you desist from claiming to be a Member &quot;without the right to sit or vote&quot;.

I am publishing this letter on the parliamentary website so that anybody who wishes to check whether you are a Member of the House of Lords can view this official confirmation that you are not..

Some hero does he lick windows as well?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buddy friends how cute.<br />
Two window lickers holding hands over the net.</p>
<p>Chris Monckton<br />
<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3688054.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3688054.htm</a><br />
The Rise Up Australia Party is the brainchild of Christian preacher Daniel Nalliah.<br />
He&#8217;s anti-Islamic, claims to have raised people from the dead and once blamed the Black Saturday bushfires on Victoria&#8217;s abortion laws.</p>
<p>Today he launched his new party with help from renowned climate change sceptic Lord Monckton.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2011/july/letter-to-viscount-monckton/" rel="nofollow">http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2011/july/letter-to-viscount-monckton/</a><br />
I must therefore again ask that you desist from claiming to be a Member of the House of Lords, either directly or by implication, and also that you desist from claiming to be a Member &#8220;without the right to sit or vote&#8221;.</p>
<p>I am publishing this letter on the parliamentary website so that anybody who wishes to check whether you are a Member of the House of Lords can view this official confirmation that you are not..</p>
<p>Some hero does he lick windows as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_15_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097465</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[axeman, I googled &quot;The Global Warming Cult and the Death of Science&quot;

A very good article. It speaks to the human factors around the formation of the cult and the true motivations behind it. Griff seems unable to comprehend these things. I think he may have Asperger&#039;s syndrome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>axeman, I googled &#8220;The Global Warming Cult and the Death of Science&#8221;</p>
<p>A very good article. It speaks to the human factors around the formation of the cult and the true motivations behind it. Griff seems unable to comprehend these things. I think he may have Asperger&#8217;s syndrome.</p>
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		<title>By: axeman</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_15_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097464</link>
		<dc:creator>axeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep he is displaying the abusive keyboard warrior syndrome, a trait not usely seen in wacky backy indolents.

Maybe he could front up IN PERSON to Chris Monckton when he is down here to remind Australians and NZers that there is NO GLOBAL WARMING.

And introduce himself into a debate with: 
&quot;My name is Griff, a stoner from up north and I read skepticalscience.com, like, all the time. And I think you are full of shit&quot; 
That should do it :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep he is displaying the abusive keyboard warrior syndrome, a trait not usely seen in wacky backy indolents.</p>
<p>Maybe he could front up IN PERSON to Chris Monckton when he is down here to remind Australians and NZers that there is NO GLOBAL WARMING.</p>
<p>And introduce himself into a debate with:<br />
&#8220;My name is Griff, a stoner from up north and I read skepticalscience.com, like, all the time. And I think you are full of shit&#8221;<br />
That should do it <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_15_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097462</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[axeman, I worry about Griff. He has two lovely kids, Moonbeam &amp; Aquarius. A gorgeous vegan wife, Karma, whom he should be sitting up on deck with sharing a joint. Yet he frets constantly about the world ending.

Notice the increasing levels of abuse in his posts? 

At first I thought he had just brought some bad weed, but it has become a pattern now. He is really rather nasty and aggressive, though as a frail, pallid, apprehensive vegan he probably presents minimal physical threat to others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>axeman, I worry about Griff. He has two lovely kids, Moonbeam &amp; Aquarius. A gorgeous vegan wife, Karma, whom he should be sitting up on deck with sharing a joint. Yet he frets constantly about the world ending.</p>
<p>Notice the increasing levels of abuse in his posts? </p>
<p>At first I thought he had just brought some bad weed, but it has become a pattern now. He is really rather nasty and aggressive, though as a frail, pallid, apprehensive vegan he probably presents minimal physical threat to others.</p>
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		<title>By: axeman</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_15_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097458</link>
		<dc:creator>axeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aww c&#039;mon Kea. Give it a break. The gwiffknuckle is about to blow a fufu valve! He is already on 50 demerit points :-( 
Shades of the other idiot troll that used to post here, Phil manURE .... eh?

As you probably realise GRIEF&#039;s level of argument is the one presented by the other CAGW cultists.  The headcount fallacy and appeal to authority. They still haven&#039;t worked out that, as Einstein said, it only takes one to prove them wrong. 

BTW The Global Warming Cult and the Death of Science

“………”If you believe that freedom is at the core of what it means to be human, then the ALARMISTS and what they stand for are instinctively repulsive to you. On the other hand, if you believe that human society must be organized into a moral collective for the betterment of all, then the ALARMIST idea provides a wake up call compelling us to form into ranks and goose step in recycled rubber boots into the [green] future. ”

‎]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aww c&#8217;mon Kea. Give it a break. The gwiffknuckle is about to blow a fufu valve! He is already on 50 demerit points <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Shades of the other idiot troll that used to post here, Phil manURE &#8230;. eh?</p>
<p>As you probably realise GRIEF&#8217;s level of argument is the one presented by the other CAGW cultists.  The headcount fallacy and appeal to authority. They still haven&#8217;t worked out that, as Einstein said, it only takes one to prove them wrong. </p>
<p>BTW The Global Warming Cult and the Death of Science</p>
<p>“………”If you believe that freedom is at the core of what it means to be human, then the ALARMISTS and what they stand for are instinctively repulsive to you. On the other hand, if you believe that human society must be organized into a moral collective for the betterment of all, then the ALARMIST idea provides a wake up call compelling us to form into ranks and goose step in recycled rubber boots into the [green] future. ”</p>
<p>‎</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_15_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097455</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt; Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling&lt;/b&gt;

Climate change itself is already in the process of definitively rebutting climate alarmists who think human use of fossil fuels is causing ultimately catastrophic global warming.  That is because natural climate cycles have already turned from warming to cooling, global temperatures have already been declining for more than 10 years, and global temperatures will continue to decline for another two decades or more.

The conference featured serious natural science, contrary to the self-interested political science you hear from government financed global warming alarmists seeking to justify widely expanded regulatory and taxation powers for government bodies, or government body wannabees, such as the United Nations.  See for yourself, as the conference speeches are online.

What you will see are calm, dispassionate presentations by serious, pedigreed scientists discussing and explaining reams of data.  In sharp contrast to these climate realists, the climate alarmists have long admitted that they cannot defend their theory that humans are causing catastrophic global warming in public debate.  With the conference presentations online, let’s see if the alarmists really do have any response.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/05/31/sorry-global-warming-alarmists-the-earth-is-cooling/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b> Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling</b></p>
<p>Climate change itself is already in the process of definitively rebutting climate alarmists who think human use of fossil fuels is causing ultimately catastrophic global warming.  That is because natural climate cycles have already turned from warming to cooling, global temperatures have already been declining for more than 10 years, and global temperatures will continue to decline for another two decades or more.</p>
<p>The conference featured serious natural science, contrary to the self-interested political science you hear from government financed global warming alarmists seeking to justify widely expanded regulatory and taxation powers for government bodies, or government body wannabees, such as the United Nations.  See for yourself, as the conference speeches are online.</p>
<p>What you will see are calm, dispassionate presentations by serious, pedigreed scientists discussing and explaining reams of data.  In sharp contrast to these climate realists, the climate alarmists have long admitted that they cannot defend their theory that humans are causing catastrophic global warming in public debate.  With the conference presentations online, let’s see if the alarmists really do have any response.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/05/31/sorry-global-warming-alarmists-the-earth-is-cooling/" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/05/31/sorry-global-warming-alarmists-the-earth-is-cooling/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_15_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097450</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Griff, there you go again: &quot;by people paid to dissipate false information.&quot; Paid by whom Griff ?. Tell us about it...

I will repeat the awkward questions.

&lt;b&gt;1. Who do the AGW supporters receive funding from ?

2. Could they get that funding if AGW was proven false ?

3. How much is the AGW alarmist industry worth globally ? ( to the nearest few trillion dollars will do) &lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griff, there you go again: &#8220;by people paid to dissipate false information.&#8221; Paid by whom Griff ?. Tell us about it&#8230;</p>
<p>I will repeat the awkward questions.</p>
<p><b>1. Who do the AGW supporters receive funding from ?</p>
<p>2. Could they get that funding if AGW was proven false ?</p>
<p>3. How much is the AGW alarmist industry worth globally ? ( to the nearest few trillion dollars will do) </b></p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_15_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097448</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Squawk
Very noble of one with so few active brain cells to &quot;Think&quot; for the other 99.9999% :lol:
Your  statistic was pulled from : wwwfactsfromoutyourarse.com

Mostly concerned governments fund climate science seems that all major scientific bodies most governments the us 97% of publishing climate scientist after evaluating the scientific evidence have decided it is actually a problem.

You fail to get the significance of the oil industry feeding bullshit to idiots like you to delay the inevitable reduction in hydrocarbon usage. There is only so much co2 we can safely put into earths atmosphere the more we use now the less we will be able to use in the future.

Your cognitive bias allows you to discount any source of science and put your faith in propaganda  laid out in front of you. by people paid to dissipate false information. 
still trying to say its all a hoax by dishonest scientists
all 30,000 of them 
.....EH......
science does not work in a vacuum its built staidly and carefully over many years. ideas are explored and discarded or superseded as more more research is completed.
The ultimate career boost for any scientist would be to disprove AGW You would get a noble and the pick of important positions. Any new finding capable of overturning the current consensuses would severely compromise the present understanding in some major branches of chemistry, biology, physics, paleontology .....

 Window licker :lol:]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Squawk<br />
Very noble of one with so few active brain cells to &#8220;Think&#8221; for the other 99.9999% <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Your  statistic was pulled from : wwwfactsfromoutyourarse.com</p>
<p>Mostly concerned governments fund climate science seems that all major scientific bodies most governments the us 97% of publishing climate scientist after evaluating the scientific evidence have decided it is actually a problem.</p>
<p>You fail to get the significance of the oil industry feeding bullshit to idiots like you to delay the inevitable reduction in hydrocarbon usage. There is only so much co2 we can safely put into earths atmosphere the more we use now the less we will be able to use in the future.</p>
<p>Your cognitive bias allows you to discount any source of science and put your faith in propaganda  laid out in front of you. by people paid to dissipate false information.<br />
still trying to say its all a hoax by dishonest scientists<br />
all 30,000 of them<br />
&#8230;..EH&#8230;&#8230;<br />
science does not work in a vacuum its built staidly and carefully over many years. ideas are explored and discarded or superseded as more more research is completed.<br />
The ultimate career boost for any scientist would be to disprove AGW You would get a noble and the pick of important positions. Any new finding capable of overturning the current consensuses would severely compromise the present understanding in some major branches of chemistry, biology, physics, paleontology &#8230;..</p>
<p> Window licker <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: noskire</title>
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		<dc:creator>noskire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BlackCaps back to form. FFS...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BlackCaps back to form. FFS&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_15_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097432</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Griff... back to my questions

1. Who do the AGW supporters receive funding from ?

2. Could they get that funding if AGW was proven false ?

3. How much is the AGW alarmist industry worth globally ? ( to the nearest few trillion dollars will do)


Bad news buddy. There is no shortage of demand for oil and that will not change any time soon. The only people who think like you are a few middle class Westerners. The other 99.9999% of the world want to burn heaps of oil and get rich. Suck it up hippy boy :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griff&#8230; back to my questions</p>
<p>1. Who do the AGW supporters receive funding from ?</p>
<p>2. Could they get that funding if AGW was proven false ?</p>
<p>3. How much is the AGW alarmist industry worth globally ? ( to the nearest few trillion dollars will do)</p>
<p>Bad news buddy. There is no shortage of demand for oil and that will not change any time soon. The only people who think like you are a few middle class Westerners. The other 99.9999% of the world want to burn heaps of oil and get rich. Suck it up hippy boy <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rodders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;THROW AWAY YOUR ‘WOMEN’S WEEKLY’&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And this coming from someone who throws away all her rates demands!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>THROW AWAY YOUR ‘WOMEN’S WEEKLY’</p></blockquote>
<p>And this coming from someone who throws away all her rates demands!</p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_15_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097429</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shit for brains if we are going to stop the impact of global warming we need to reduce co2 emissions by burning less oil.
Oil company&#039;s make money out of selling oil
They are valued on the reserves of oil they hold
If we reduce  burning oil their reserves become worth less money 
They will sell less oil so make less money.

If you can not understand theses simple concepts you  are a window licker :lol:
Sorry you are a window licker but this problem with comprehension you have just makes it more obvious]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shit for brains if we are going to stop the impact of global warming we need to reduce co2 emissions by burning less oil.<br />
Oil company&#8217;s make money out of selling oil<br />
They are valued on the reserves of oil they hold<br />
If we reduce  burning oil their reserves become worth less money<br />
They will sell less oil so make less money.</p>
<p>If you can not understand theses simple concepts you  are a window licker <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Sorry you are a window licker but this problem with comprehension you have just makes it more obvious</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The China Petroleum and Chemical Industry Federation estimated that apparent crude consumption will increase 5.3 percent year on year to 480 million tonnes in 2012, or 9.6 million barrels per day, compared with its forecast of a rise of around 3.5 percent in 2011.&quot;

&quot;Crude oil futures prices breached nine-month highs in early February as improved economic signals from China and the US, robust financial market activity and &lt;b&gt; colder temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere &lt;/b&gt; buoyed market sentiment.&quot;


&quot;Oil prices started rising much sooner in 2012 than they did in 2011. The price for WTI crude oil broke above $100 a barrel on February 13, 2012, two weeks earlier than in 2011.Rising oil prices drove gas prices above $3.50 a gallon that same week. Gas prices had already breached $3.50 a gallon on the East and West coasts in January.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The China Petroleum and Chemical Industry Federation estimated that apparent crude consumption will increase 5.3 percent year on year to 480 million tonnes in 2012, or 9.6 million barrels per day, compared with its forecast of a rise of around 3.5 percent in 2011.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Crude oil futures prices breached nine-month highs in early February as improved economic signals from China and the US, robust financial market activity and <b> colder temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere </b> buoyed market sentiment.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Oil prices started rising much sooner in 2012 than they did in 2011. The price for WTI crude oil broke above $100 a barrel on February 13, 2012, two weeks earlier than in 2011.Rising oil prices drove gas prices above $3.50 a gallon that same week. Gas prices had already breached $3.50 a gallon on the East and West coasts in January.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; have a look at my links above its documented proof that certain people and corporations in the energy industry are deliberately spreading the bullshit on the the denial blogs. We even have WUWT Joe Nova and others admitting they received funding from these sources. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

1. Who do the AGW supporters receive funding from ?

2. Could they get that funding if AGW was proven false ?

Oil companies make money from OIL. There is no money in denial of AGW. Oil company web sites confirm they support AGW theory. They do this to protect their public image. They spend many millions on public relations, to appear &quot;green&quot;. 

Buying into the AGW hoax is a win-win situation for oil companies, because there is no shortage of demand for their product. People can not get enough of it. The biggest markets do not even give a shit, like China, about AGW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> have a look at my links above its documented proof that certain people and corporations in the energy industry are deliberately spreading the bullshit on the the denial blogs. We even have WUWT Joe Nova and others admitting they received funding from these sources. </p></blockquote>
<p>1. Who do the AGW supporters receive funding from ?</p>
<p>2. Could they get that funding if AGW was proven false ?</p>
<p>Oil companies make money from OIL. There is no money in denial of AGW. Oil company web sites confirm they support AGW theory. They do this to protect their public image. They spend many millions on public relations, to appear &#8220;green&#8221;. </p>
<p>Buying into the AGW hoax is a win-win situation for oil companies, because there is no shortage of demand for their product. People can not get enough of it. The biggest markets do not even give a shit, like China, about AGW.</p>
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		<title>By: Azeraph</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_15_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097423</link>
		<dc:creator>Azeraph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[axeman (137) Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:01 pm 

Sounds like what national is doing here. Kill jobs, set it up for asians and indians who will work for nothing then call it job creation using the excuse of old industries die while new emerge to fill the void. They just forgot to tell everyone that it takes a couple of years of extreme change and unemployment and law changes to bring it into effect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>axeman (137) Says:<br />
February 15th, 2013 at 9:01 pm </p>
<p>Sounds like what national is doing here. Kill jobs, set it up for asians and indians who will work for nothing then call it job creation using the excuse of old industries die while new emerge to fill the void. They just forgot to tell everyone that it takes a couple of years of extreme change and unemployment and law changes to bring it into effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_15_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097421</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Alternative energy news&lt;/b&gt;


The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:  (This is just in the USA people)  :)

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Alternative energy news</b></p>
<p>The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:  (This is just in the USA people)  <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*<br />
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*<br />
Solyndra ($535 million)*<br />
Beacon Power ($43 million)*<br />
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)<br />
SunPower ($1.2 billion)<br />
First Solar ($1.46 billion)<br />
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)<br />
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*<br />
Amonix ($5.9 million)<br />
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)<br />
Abound Solar ($400 million)*<br />
A123 Systems ($279 million)*<br />
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*<br />
Johnson Controls ($299 million)<br />
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)<br />
ECOtality ($126.2 million)<br />
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*<br />
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*<br />
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*<br />
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*<br />
Range Fuels ($80 million)*<br />
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*<br />
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*<br />
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*<br />
GreenVolts ($500,000)<br />
Vestas ($50 million)<br />
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)<br />
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*<br />
Navistar ($39 million)<br />
Satcon ($3 million)*<br />
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*<br />
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)<br />
*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_15_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097420</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pigeon chess time
 
kea you are as full of shit as the kaka ponds.
have a look at my links above its documented proof that certain people and corporations in the energy industry are deliberately spreading the bullshit on the the denial blogs. We even have WUWT Joe Nova and others admitting they received funding from these sources. We also have authenticated documents that lay out the policy of misinformation that would be followed By oil industry agents
Fuckwits like you believe any thing Baaa baaa go the sheepies.
Especially fuckwits that make up shit yet can not prove what they keep saying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pigeon chess time</p>
<p>kea you are as full of shit as the kaka ponds.<br />
have a look at my links above its documented proof that certain people and corporations in the energy industry are deliberately spreading the bullshit on the the denial blogs. We even have WUWT Joe Nova and others admitting they received funding from these sources. We also have authenticated documents that lay out the policy of misinformation that would be followed By oil industry agents<br />
Fuckwits like you believe any thing Baaa baaa go the sheepies.<br />
Especially fuckwits that make up shit yet can not prove what they keep saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Azeraph</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_15_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097419</link>
		<dc:creator>Azeraph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought it was impossible to track and lock a incoming meteor and bring it down with a missile?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was impossible to track and lock a incoming meteor and bring it down with a missile?</p>
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		<title>By: axeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>axeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kea, and while we are on The Kenyan only having FOUR MORE YEARS to save the planet  :-) (by implementing a job-killing climate change agenda) it looks like Congress could indeed vote against it: 
Luetkemeyer Seeks to Prohibit Federal Funding for Job-Killing UN Climate Change Initiatives  

WASHINGTON, D.C. _ Following last night’s State of the Union Address in which the president pledged to implement a job-killing climate change agenda, U.S. Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer (MO-3) today introduced legislation to prohibit the United States from contributing taxpayer dollars to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC). 

Luetkemeyer said the IPCC has received a great deal of criticism over the last several years, particularly when emails publicly released from a university in England showed that leading global scientists intentionally manipulated climate data and suppressed legitimate arguments in peer-reviewed journals. Researchers were asked to delete and destroy emails so that a small number of scientists could continue to advance their environmental agenda. Since that time, more than 700 acclaimed scientists have challenged claims made by IPCC. Luetkemeyer added that UNFCCC uses IPCC suggestions and data to implement its job-killing agenda.

“The American people should not have to foot the bill for an international organization that is fraught with waste, engaged in dubious science, and is promoting an agenda that will destroy jobs and drive up the cost of energy in the United States,” Luetkemeyer said. “Unfortunately, the president appears to be ready to fund these groups, revive harmful policies like cap and trade, and further empower out of control federal regulators at a time when we should be doing everything possible to cut wasteful spending, reduce regulatory red tape, and promote economic growth.”
 
Under the Obama administration, IPCC and UNFCCC have received an average of $10.25 million annually from U.S. taxpayers and the president’s FY13 budget included a $13 million request. Comparatively, the Bush administration was averaging roughly $5.7 million in annual contributions before reports of gross scientific misconduct. Since then, the Obama administration has nearly doubled U.S. contributions to IPCC and UNFCCC. 

Luetkemeyer added that his bill would not only prohibit the aforementioned contributions as reported by federal agencies, but would also apply to in-kind contributions that often go unreported.   

Luetkemeyer introduced legislation in the 111th and 112th Congresses to prohibit funding for the IPCC, but this year added UNFCCC to the legislation because the group uses IPCC’s suggestions and data to implement its job-killing agenda.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kea, and while we are on The Kenyan only having FOUR MORE YEARS to save the planet  <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  (by implementing a job-killing climate change agenda) it looks like Congress could indeed vote against it:<br />
Luetkemeyer Seeks to Prohibit Federal Funding for Job-Killing UN Climate Change Initiatives  </p>
<p>WASHINGTON, D.C. _ Following last night’s State of the Union Address in which the president pledged to implement a job-killing climate change agenda, U.S. Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer (MO-3) today introduced legislation to prohibit the United States from contributing taxpayer dollars to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC). </p>
<p>Luetkemeyer said the IPCC has received a great deal of criticism over the last several years, particularly when emails publicly released from a university in England showed that leading global scientists intentionally manipulated climate data and suppressed legitimate arguments in peer-reviewed journals. Researchers were asked to delete and destroy emails so that a small number of scientists could continue to advance their environmental agenda. Since that time, more than 700 acclaimed scientists have challenged claims made by IPCC. Luetkemeyer added that UNFCCC uses IPCC suggestions and data to implement its job-killing agenda.</p>
<p>“The American people should not have to foot the bill for an international organization that is fraught with waste, engaged in dubious science, and is promoting an agenda that will destroy jobs and drive up the cost of energy in the United States,” Luetkemeyer said. “Unfortunately, the president appears to be ready to fund these groups, revive harmful policies like cap and trade, and further empower out of control federal regulators at a time when we should be doing everything possible to cut wasteful spending, reduce regulatory red tape, and promote economic growth.”</p>
<p>Under the Obama administration, IPCC and UNFCCC have received an average of $10.25 million annually from U.S. taxpayers and the president’s FY13 budget included a $13 million request. Comparatively, the Bush administration was averaging roughly $5.7 million in annual contributions before reports of gross scientific misconduct. Since then, the Obama administration has nearly doubled U.S. contributions to IPCC and UNFCCC. </p>
<p>Luetkemeyer added that his bill would not only prohibit the aforementioned contributions as reported by federal agencies, but would also apply to in-kind contributions that often go unreported.   </p>
<p>Luetkemeyer introduced legislation in the 111th and 112th Congresses to prohibit funding for the IPCC, but this year added UNFCCC to the legislation because the group uses IPCC’s suggestions and data to implement its job-killing agenda.</p>
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