General Debate 19 February 2013

February 19th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Manolo (13,590 comments) says:

    Griff will weep after reading this: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SCI_SNOW_GLOBAL_WARMING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-02-18-11-33-15

    A big scam and con for which we are paying taxes!

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  2. Elaycee (4,378 comments) says:

    From the ‘unbelievable’ files….

    Convicted murderer and ex president of the Mongrel Mob Joe Coleman had his parole application turned down but….. the Parole Board suggested he should have laser removal for the crap inked across his face so he can integrate better back into Society when he is eventually released!

    At his first Parole Board hearing on January 29, a psychologist recommended “that consideration might be given to laser treatment for the removal of tattoos as part of Mr Coleman’s desire to dissociate from his former peers and antisocial past”. The board agreed with the recommendation, but declined parole for Coleman, saying he was still considered “high risk”

    This prick murdered someone and yet the Parole Board agrees with the suggestion of some bleeding heart psychologist that the taxpayer should fund the removal of the crap from the (high risk) murderer’s face!

    Actions have consequences. In the case of this prick, his actions killed someone. But the crim cuddlers within Society want to throw money at him. OUR money!

    Pffttt….. we really deserve better.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10866237

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  3. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    Apparently a guy died of a heart attack on Makara Peak over the weekend, 50 years old.
    This of course is tragic. For those who don’t know, Makara Peak is a legendary mountain bike park with 50km of trails cut over some 300 hectares at the South end of Karori.

    Some doctor quoted as saying that if defibrillators were more available then he may not have died.
    Umm… where exactly on the 50km of mountain trails do you put the de-fib? Could be over an hour’s ride away from the gear.

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  4. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    LAC..I disagree.
    A few bucks to have his face tats removed is worthwhile.
    IF the man wants to try and get a job he has zero chance with that shit on his face.
    He has done the time for his crime (well almost done it) and he needs a chance to be worthwhile in society.

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  5. Elaycee (4,378 comments) says:

    @Colville: Lets agree to disagree on this one.

    The prick is a murderer. Regardless of whether he is eventually released or not, he will always be a convicted murderer. He was the President of a gang. At some stage, he decided to have crap inked over his face – all gang related. If he wants the crap removed from his face (so he may be able to get a job), let him pay for it.

    Why should the taxpayer fund this murderer’s tattoo removal when we have law abiding citizens having to fund their own medical procedures (via their tax dollars or their own medical cover)?

    Nah – the principle sticks in my craw.

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  6. kowtow (8,326 comments) says:

    Be a lot cheaper and more effective to simply remove the pricks head.

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  7. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    So George Wood took a photo oftwo flags on the harbour bridge on Waitangi Day. the way the herald has reported it you’d think he has sold a a. couple of kids to a pedophile. George is a good bugger totally genuine, Mike Lee iss the exact opposite a individual who used the old ARC as a personal fiefdom
    All that a side a spectacularly shitty article even for the herald, local body elections must be coming up

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  8. Lance (2,635 comments) says:

    3x Harawira’s home invade and beat a 12 year old senseless then steal his toys over a perceived slight.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10866247

    The family that campaigns against violence is itself a picture of violence.

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  9. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    I am thinking he was probably in mid to late 20’s when he killed someone (and yes i know he KILLED someone) and is now 40 and has had time to reflect on his past. IF he wants to get on with a semi normal life then as a decent society I think we owe him a chance. Prison is punishment and hopefully some rehabilitation, IF he wants to have a crack at life as a semi normal person then I think we owe him that chance.
    I think its money well spent, far better than him going on the dole then eventually going back inside at $100,000 K/yr to look after him.

    Actually if any gang member wanted face tatoos removed I would offer tax payer funding for that. It just makes NZ a better place to live.

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  10. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    You are being fairly illogical this morning Elaycee..Outraged yes but you don’t seem to have thought thru the practicalities..Given his current appearance , he is unlikely to get a job anywhere in NZ..The cost of removing the tattoos will be minimal compared to the cost of reimprisoning him which is likely to be the case if he is released without any prospect of work..
    Have you had any contact with prisoners, prisons , parole board hearings etc..It doesn’t sound like it.

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  11. Lance (2,635 comments) says:

    I might add I would have used extreme violence upon them had I come home and found 3 large men beating my 12 year old son in his own house.

    Feral scum

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  12. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    Lance. Fu*king outstanding. 3 guys in their 20’s hunt down a kid of 12, 2 of then enter his house beat him and drag him outside and then the 3 of them beat him some more then rob his house. Hones nephews!

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  13. Manolo (13,590 comments) says:

    That’s love Harawira-style for you. These people ooze civility.

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  14. Kiwi Dave (88 comments) says:

    Manolo, did you read the story you linked to? It clearly supports global warming.

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  15. wreck1080 (3,885 comments) says:

    Who is lying?

    What happened…..

    The mother of a teenager nearly killed in a car crash has been billed by the New Zealand Transport Agency for the cost of closing the road while she was cut free.

    What the insurance company says…..

    A spokeswoman for Mrs Goodfellow’s insurer, AMI, said: “As far as we are aware, this is not standard practice, or at least it hasn’t been in the past.”

    Versus NZTA….

    An NZTA spokesman said costs for damaged equipment and signage had been sought for more than a decade.

    I reckon NZTA are lying, I’ve never heard of this either. I don’t think road damage costs are covered in my insurance policy.

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  16. Manolo (13,590 comments) says:

    A “peaceful” parasite: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279972/Anjem-Choudary-Hate-preacher-pocketing-25-000-year-benefits-calls-fanatics-live-state.html

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  17. James Stephenson (2,155 comments) says:

    Mr Ware had better make a good job of it if he picks the wrong cyclist, unless he wants to spend the rest of his Natural with a 53T Campag chainring embedded in his swede.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10866166

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  18. Elaycee (4,378 comments) says:

    @joana: My circle does not include anyone who has been locked up for murder. But that doesn’t mean to say that I can’t have an opinion on murderers. And it certainly doesn’t stop me from voicing an opinion where my tax dollars should or should not be spent.

    And in the case of this murderer (who beat someone to death with a baseball bat), its a pity his sentence was not a close encounter with Ms Remington!

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  19. Lance (2,635 comments) says:

    Does Mr Wade think all car drivers are courteous all the time?

    Oh let me guess, no ‘group’ is perfect.

    Most cyclists are considerate, a few are not – I would like to say the same proportion applies to motorists but alas I live in Auckland.

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  20. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Go Mr Ware, get those pesky bloody cyclists off our roads and give them back to the fossil fuel burners

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  21. Yvette (2,786 comments) says:

    Shearer: [from yesterday's kiwiblog post] Oh look yes, absolutely, there are some, when I say homophobic I don’t think we’ve got any homophobes there, but, there are some people who don’t agree with, ah, um, unsection (?) marriage, you mean you know,a  marriage between two, two people of the same sex, um …

    What is unsection marriage? Does any one besides Shearer know? Does Shearer know?

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  22. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    @wreck, yes it should be covered by the insurance under the third-party damage section that indemnifies the policy holder against damage caused to property just like if you accidentally crashed into someone’s fence.
    But entirely agree that this is not the norm, first time I’ve heard of it ever (and I worked in the insurance game for a while).

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  23. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Elaycee (3,296) Says:
    February 19th, 2013 at 8:07 am Pffttt…..

    we really deserve better.

    Agreed. He should be locked up for much longer and not even considered for release only 11 years later. BUT, if the law permits his release then it is surely beneficial to society that he be assisted with reintegration. Spite isn’t going to bring the dead back to life and in all likelihood will simply increase the likelihood of further offending.

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  24. MT_Tinman (3,137 comments) says:

    Lance 09:26 You are either seriously deluded or a liar.

    I’m unsure which.

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  25. Adele Keyshia (39 comments) says:

    I’m curious to what peoples views are on life insurance in New Zealand. I’ve recently had a few debates with friends as to the merits of life insurance. I am very much in the pro camp as I’m naturally risk averse when it comes to health however a number of people I’ve discussed it with are in favor of saving a little each week instead of an insurance scheme. What do people think about this idea? Is this a better option in NZ where so much is covered by ACC and there is a public health system for the rest as well?

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  26. Chuck Bird (4,848 comments) says:

    Party leader funds attack on MPs

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10866235

    This would make a very interesting thread on its own. I hope DPF considers it.

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  27. Lance (2,635 comments) says:

    @Tinman
    In relation to what?
    There being an over supply of very obnoxious drivers in Auckland or the fact that most cyclist I encounter on the road, especially on the morning commute keep as far left as practical and don’t effect the flow of traffic. I have seen one or two exceptions but these are a small percentage. The problem is usually at the weekend when the lycra brigade come out, granted they tend to be dickheads.

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  28. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    Fuck life insurance. When I am dead I wont need it.

    I will be spinning in my coffin knowing my mates are guzzling my wine cellar at the wake!

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  29. Adele Keyshia (39 comments) says:

    Apologies, I meant health insurance!

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  30. RightNow (6,988 comments) says:

    Life insurance – if I was single with no kids I wouldn’t bother, but I’m not so I have ample cover.

    Health insurance – hell yeah! I hate public hospitals.

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  31. Right of way is Way of Right (1,121 comments) says:

    There have been a few posts here today regarding the assault and theft charges brought against three of Titewahi Harawira’s Mokopuna. Reports indicate that the matriarch herself is said to be outraged at this turn of events, although there is little commentary as to exactly what she is outraged about.

    It’s porbably worth remembering that in this case, the apples have not actually fallen that far from the tree, given that Titewahi herself spent 9 months in prison following an assault conviction in 1989.

    As for Uncle Hone, who is on record as saying that he would not be happy if one of his daughters came home with a pakeha boyfriend, his office is strangely silent on this matter. I have no problems if one of my daughters came home with a Maori boyfriend, but if he was a Harawira, I’d be more than a little worried!

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  32. Griff (7,520 comments) says:

    Manolo

    That was a massive fail
    Do you have difficulty with reading comprehension? :lol:

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  33. peterwn (3,246 comments) says:

    Re NZTA billing for damage. NZTA is not lying – it and its predecessors for the last few decades at least have billed drivers for the cost of damaging lamp standards, etc. Similarly Power Boards and Post Office billed those who damaged power poles, underground cables, etc. In fact a remit calling for compulsory third party property insurance for motorists was a hardy annual at Electricity Supply authorities’ conferences (there was compulsory third party injury insurance payable with motor registration in pre ACC days – it was the litigation surrounding such insurance that led to ACC).

    It now seems some NZTA offices are billing drivers for the general aftermath costs of an accident. If caused by negligence then NZTA can take the driver to Court or Disputes Tribunal and will probably win, as long there was reasonable ‘proximity’ between the negligence and the costs of resolving. For example another motorist inconvenienced by the ensuing road closure probably could not successfully sue..

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  34. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    James Stephenson-

    Who the hell is that dork? You get the good and the bad with everything… cyclists… motorists… pedestrians..

    Can’t we all just get along? I don’t see how there can be too many problems with cyclists eh? They’re on the left… you drive past them. It should be fairly straightforward 99%+ of the time surely.

    And the same nonsense that you see on here… they don’t pay road tax. They’re cyclists!! Who’s going to pay roadtax to ride a shittin pushbike?

    Then it gets bizzare- Mr Ware… spelt I assume incorrectly as ‘Wade’ by the Herald at least once, gets a bike himself…. ????

    Tim Pawson editor of cyclingnz.com then says that any victim of a person who follows Mr Ware’s advice should be able to hold Mr Ware accountable. That’s as stupid as holding the Batman film accountable for the Aurora shooting.

    And how many people are going to read the TeamTalk company newsletter editorial? Just more daily insanity in the news…

    Funny how that provides great publicity for TeamTalk… a company I’d not heard of before but have now. Great publicity….. stunt?

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  35. Redbaiter (8,557 comments) says:

    Chuck-

    Issac Davison is a typical mainstream media commie. As much chance of an objective news report on Colin Craig as there is of pigs piloting space ships around the sun.

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  36. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    from MT_tinman

    Lance 09:26 You are either seriously deluded or a liar.

    I’m unsure which.

    ???? Are you having a bad day man?

    from Lance @Tinman

    In relation to what?
    There being an over supply of very obnoxious drivers in Auckland or the fact that most cyclist I encounter on the road, especially on the morning commute keep as far left as practical and don’t effect the flow of traffic. I have seen one or two exceptions but these are a small percentage. The problem is usually at the weekend when the lycra brigade come out, granted they tend to be dickheads.

    Fair comment. What’s wrong with that observative opinion? I don’t know…. nothing. Looks pretty good to me…

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  37. Jimmy Smits (246 comments) says:

    Mr Craig said that if he was elected, he would vote for gay marriage if his electorate demanded it, in spite of his strong opposition to the law change.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10866235

    Andrei will be pleased.

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  38. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    As much chance of an objective news report on Colin Craig as there is of pigs piloting space ships around the sun.

    Zing!!!!!!!!!! Don’t make me piss myself eh.

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  39. MT_Tinman (3,137 comments) says:

    Lance, were 99.99% of motorists not considerate of the majority of cyclists (who regularly ignore any road laws not convenient at the time) the roads would be littered with the bodies of said cyclists.

    Incidentally Lance you did not state your observation, you stated your conclusion as fact, something it definitely is not.

    I stand by my observation :-)

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  40. James Stephenson (2,155 comments) says:

    Tim Pawson editor of cyclingnz.com then says that any victim of a person who follows Mr Ware’s advice should be able to hold Mr Ware accountable. That’s as stupid as holding the Batman film accountable for the Aurora shooting.

    Dunno about “hold him accountable”, but there’s gotta be an “incitement to…” offence he could be done for.

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  41. Pete George (23,480 comments) says:

    Paddy Gower promotes Turia’s achievement:

    Turia has absolutely smashed Big Tobacco

    The Government is going to introduce plain packaging – something that smashes ‘Big Tobacco’.

    Plain packaging strips cigarette packets of all marketing and branding, developed and refined over decades.

    It is a body blow to Big Tobacco.

    So stand up Tariana Turia, you have done what few other politicians can claim – beaten Big Tobacco, beaten the multi-nationals, beaten the industry, beaten the lobbyists.

    You just know how much the packaging means to the tobacco companies by the way they have been fighting plain packaging – taking countries like Australia to court.

    In stripping the cigarette packets, Turia has stripped the tobacco companies of dignity.

    Any power the tobacco companies thought they may have had over the National Government is gone.

    Turia has shown she has the power here.

    The Government listened to her – not to Big Tobacco.

    Many people ask what the Maori Party achieves in Government – often rightfully so.
    Click here to find out more!

    Well, getting plain packaging past a Cabinet of cautious National ministers is quite frankly an incredible achievement.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Opinion-Turia-has-absolutely-smashed-Big-Tobacco/tabid/1382/articleID/287294/Default.aspx

    Smoking has a massive impact on Turia’s constituency, via cost of living and cost of poor health. So she is doing what she can to address that, and has succeeded in doing more than anyone cut the scourge of smoking.

    Good on her.

    Some will grizzle (with some justification) about the right to fag fuck their own lungs, but few if any of those who succeed in quitting the habit thanks to her efforts will grizzle, and neither will their families.

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  42. Redbaiter (8,557 comments) says:

    Its fascism Mr. George, and that’s why the uneducated and thuggish members of our society and parliament support it.

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  43. James Stephenson (2,155 comments) says:

    Funny how “big” has become such a perjorative…Big Tobacco, Big Oil, Big Pharma…who are Little Tobacco?

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  44. kowtow (8,326 comments) says:

    Manolo ,Britain is doing really well out of the “diversity dividend”,here’s another example.

    Coming to NZ via Australia in due course.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280583/Fake-marriages-Solicitor-3-immigration-advisors-guilty-20m-scam-allowing-1-000-foreign-men-live-UK.html#

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  45. wreck1080 (3,885 comments) says:

    “Re NZTA billing for damage. NZTA is not lying – it and its predecessors for the last few decades at least have billed drivers for the cost of damaging lamp standards, etc”

    Why has the insurance company not heard of this then?

    You’d have thought that if they’d been doing this for years then the insurance company would not have been surprised.

    It is quite right to bill the driver though.

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  46. MT_Tinman (3,137 comments) says:

    Wreck “Why has the insurance company not heard of this then?”

    I suspect because in each and every instance (I have heard of a few) the insurance company has found some (dubious?) reason why it’s policy did not cover such.

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  47. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Kevin Black has died, lots ofHauraki morning laughs go with him

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  48. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    Dunno about “hold him accountable”, but there’s gotta be an “incitement to…” offence he could be done for.

    I don’t know the law surrounding that kind of carry on. Really? Certainly on KB there’s a strong ‘personal responsibility’ contingent who advocate that you should know better than to follow the dumbarse ranting looney-tunes rambling of some hate-monger.

    If I read what he’s written and then take out a cyclist and say I was just following it….. really?

    Mr Ware… how many problems does this guy have with cyclists each day that he’s calling them vermin and hates their guts? He certainly doesn’t sound like the kind of bloke I’d want to socialise with. I find that sort of prejudiced attitude very offputting.

    To me that’s either totally clueless… or was he being tongue in cheek? It’s not a good look putting rude anti-cyclist views in your company newsletter. Just makes the guy look like an ignorant arrogant boofhead.

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  49. Manolo (13,590 comments) says:

    Not at all, Griff. It goes to show the lunacy of the AGW proponents for whom anything under the sun (literally) can be blamed on global warming, the creed that have gullible you in its clutches.

    Less pot, more reason, Greenie Griff. Your hero, Al Gore, deserves it.

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  50. Fletch (6,296 comments) says:

    Also R.I.P Richard Briers….

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  51. Andrei (2,570 comments) says:

    Smoking has a massive impact on Turia’s constituency, via cost of living and cost of poor health. So she is doing what she can to address that, and has succeeded in doing more than anyone cut the scourge of smoking.

    Tobacco isn’t expensive you ning nong, what makes it expensive and have “a massive impact on Turia’s constituency” is GOVERNMENT EXCISE which accounts for over eighty percent of the price, actually I think it approching 90% now.

    And while those who use tobacco may in their later years have their health impacted negatively and perhaps have their lives shortened this in no way over all effects the public health budget since everybody who lives long enough suffers the effects of degenerative diseases one way or another.

    But all of this will sail right over your head and be beyond the grasp of your tiny testosterone challenged mind, Pete George

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  52. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Traditional economics cannot explain bubbles

    When a stock market rises unsustainably, it can create a financial bubble that sooner or later will burst. Dr. Tobias Preis explains whether concepts from physics can be used to create a law describing exactly how such crashes occur.

    Tobias Preis, Physicist & Complex Systems Scientist
    Dr. Tobias Preis is a scientist and founder of Artemis Capital Asset Management. He performed complex systems research at Boston University and ETH Zurich. He was awarded a Ph.D. in physics and is a member of the Gutenberg Academy. His current research focuses on quantifying and modeling financial market fluctuations. Recently, he headed a research team which provided evidence that search engine query data and stock market fluctuations are correlated.
    Web: tobiaspreis.de — Twitter: @t_preis

    http://www.realecontv.com/videos/capital-market-collapse/a-physicist-explains-financial-bubbles.html

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  53. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    It’s looking grim for the dodgy screecher-in-charge across the ditch:

    Beware the Knives of March

    Labor MPs say a showdown between Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd is inevitable and could come as early as three weeks from now as rattled Labor MPs digest the latest, devastating poll for the government.

    Faith in the Prime Minister’s 2013 re-election strategy has evaporated after the primary vote slipped back to 30 per cent in the latest Herald-Nielsen poll, erasing recent gains and widening the lead of the Coalition to 17 points.

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  54. dime (9,869 comments) says:

    Pete George – oh that is great news. the STATE fucking with private business.

    No mention of the job losses? I guess those jobs dont count.

    The fact that you support fucking with business is enough reason to suggest no one should ever vote for you.

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  55. dime (9,869 comments) says:

    from Stuff:

    Labour MP Charles Chauvel quits Parliament … More soon

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  56. dime (9,869 comments) says:

    Sudden departure – has he done something naughty?

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  57. RRM (9,841 comments) says:

    Well you know all homosexuals are perverts dime :-)

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  58. RRM (9,841 comments) says:

    Or maybe just getting beamed up to the mothership?

    Stuff.co.nz:
    Labour MP Charles Chauvel has announced his resignation from Parliament.

    He will take up a position with the United Nations in New York.

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  59. dime (9,869 comments) says:

    RRM – i didnt know he was gay. but yeah, gay people tend to be more adventurous!

    the UN? lol does that mean hes running home to mummy?

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  60. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    helen getting all her boys back together this is good,charlie was just a smart arse contributed nothing. Whose next on the list then? I’m hopp
    hoping Judith Tizard

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  61. Harriet (4,857 comments) says:

    Islam and the Left:

    One is reminded of the phrase uttered by Malcolm Muggeridge, “the great liberal death wish”.

    And that is just what this is.

    One of the more odd sets of bedfellows today is the Western left and Islam. While it might seem that the two groups should be diametrically opposed, they in fact find themselves in bed together more often than not. But there are some good reasons for all this.

    “I think it is important to point out that Islamic supremacism could never have advanced so far and so fast without its alliance with the left. And while it seems counterintuitive on its face that the left would be carrying water for the most extreme and radical ideology on the planet, it is not.
    The left traditionally aligns itself with the totalitarian ideology of the day, whether it is Stalinism, Communism in other parts of the world (i.e., Maoism, the Pol Pot regime, etc.), or National Socialism (Nazism), all of which resulted in the murder of millions. The left is all about control. The Sharia is also about control. The Sharia exerts total control over the people, which is the very thing that the left desires and demands.”

    “Leftists are sympathetic and even positive toward Islam because of Islam’s obvious ability to subdue people, compelling them to obey. So the left recognizes Islam’s usefulness in advancing its authoritarian, totalitarian agenda. Islam’s transnational, supranational quality also aids the left’s desire to obliterate the sovereignty of individual nations and establish international rule that would destroy Constitutionally-protected freedoms.”

    United in Hate: The Left’s Romance With Tyranny and Terror, by Jamie Glazov (WND Books, 2009).

    Glazov was born into a family of Russian dissidents, and knows first-hand the importance of fighting against tyranny and oppression. Thus when he and his family fled to the US he was amazed to see leftist intellectuals siding with tyranny and oppression!

    “Throughout the twentieth century, the Western Left supported one totalitarian killing machine after another. Prominent intellectuals from George Bernard Shaw to Bertolt Brecht to Susan Sontag venerated mass murderers such as Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, and Ho Chi Minh, habitually excusing their atrocities while blaming America, and even the victims, for the crimes.”

    As Glazov states in the last paragraph of his book:

    “And so we come to the end of our tale of the Left’s romance with tyranny and terror. Just like the Western intellectuals who journeyed to Russia during and after the Bolshevik revolution, so too present-day Jewish, feminist, and homosexual believers continue the long tradition of members of the political faith in waging war on themselves and, ultimately, lusting for their own annihilation inside a totalitarian dream – and nightmare. This is the story of the Left: a long and horrifying journey into the heart of darkness, destruction, and death.”

    Quite so. Of course, if the lefties want to commit their own suicide, so be it, but the trouble is, they want to take the rest of us down with themselves. That is something I will resist steadfastly. And so should all of us.

    NZ First won’t as they are in with both lots of socialists – Labour and National. :cool:

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  62. Viking2 (11,417 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8323094/Labour-MP-Charles-Chauvel-quits-Parliament

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  63. Viking2 (11,417 comments) says:

    I digress from the moment bring you proof positive of the global hockey stick. right on our door step.
    http://screencast.com/t/w5oSHexfG

    today at 10. 30

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  64. dime (9,869 comments) says:

    wasnt charlie the mentor for Dimes most hated MP? Sepuloni!

    is she back teaching kindy? or does she has some sweet staffers job. back in on the list next time round no doubt. awful human being.

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  65. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Have You heard how Obama is head of the UN security Council? Which is a foreign state? And unconstitutional under Article 1, Section 9? 

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  66. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    “NZ First won’t as they are in with both lots of socialists – Labour and National.”

    Probably true. keysnian socialism is how the world is run now.

    But third party representation is the only way to democratically fight the establishment and vote for change

    80 years of this Nat/Lab coalition is well over the hill.

    I vote NZ First for this reason

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  67. RRM (9,841 comments) says:

    A Mini does a back flip :-P

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/8321729/Mini-claims-worlds-first-car-backflip

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  68. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Hi Kiwibloggers! :)

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/cabinet-holds-back-pushing-asset-sales-waits-supreme-court-bd-136063#comment-607156

    WHAT ‘mandate’?

    The final vote on the Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Act 2012, was 61 – 60

    http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Debates/Debates/e/8/e/50HansD_20120626_00000012-State-Owned-Enterprises-Amendment-Bill-Public.htm

    A party vote was called for on the question, That the Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill be now read a third time.

    Ayes 61
    New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.

    Noes 60
    New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Māori Party 3; Mana 1.
    __________________________________________________________

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/a_lie.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097573

    [ Pete(r) George - Dunedin North candidate - United Future )
    (16,292) Says: February 15th, 2013 at 10:28 pm]

    ” UF did not specifically campaign for the ‘mixed ownership model for the electricity companies and Air New Zealand’ because it was not UF policy”

    WHAT UNITED FUTURE DID CAMPAIGN ON: RE ASSET SALES:
    http://www.unitedfuture.org.nz/asset-sales-policy-announcement/

    Asset Sales Policy Announcement
    10 October 2011

    Kiwibank, Radio New Zealand and the water supply should be ruled out of any future asset sales programmes, UnitedFuture Leader Peter Dunne said today.

    Speaking to the Auckland Rotary Club, he said that given that National has a manifesto that includes asset sales, New Zealanders need to start a proper debate on the future limits of those sales.

    “To this point there has not been a proper national debate beyond National saying yes and Labour saying no.

    “We need a conversation that is more detailed and drills down into what New Zealanders really think are acceptable bottom lines,” he said.

    “New Zealanders, I believe, are not definitively pro-asset sales, but under certain conditions, it is no longer the bogeyman issue that Labour would have you believe.”

    Mr Dunne said UnitedFuture’s role as a support partner is not just to contribute its own policies, but to help keep a government to a reasonable, centrist path.

    ……….. ”

    In my considered opinion – the voting public of Ohariu were thus effectively misled by United Future and Peter Dunne on the issue of support for the ‘Mixed Ownership Model’ for State-Owned electricity assets and Air New Zealand.

    In my considered opinion, United Future and Peter Dunne SOLD OUT the voting public of Ohariu by voting in support of the Public Finance (Mixed Ownership) Amendment Act 2012.

    Had Peter Dunne kept faith with the voting public of Ohariu – the Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill should have BEEN DEFEATED 60 – 61.

    I thus believe that I am absolutely correct in my statement that THERE IS NO MANDATE FOR ASSET SALES – given that this minority National Government (which DID campaign on asset sales) has only 59 out of 121 MPs.

    ACT did not specifically campaign on asset sales – but their support for privatisation is hardly a secret.

    However – remember?

    ” UF did not specifically campaign for the ‘mixed ownership model for the electricity companies and Air New Zealand’ because it was not UF policy”

    NO MAJORITY – NO MANDATE!

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2013

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  69. iMP (2,366 comments) says:

    Some teachers speak out in support of the school changes in Christchurch.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/02/19/some-teachers-speak-out/

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  70. Fletch (6,296 comments) says:

    Harriet, have read the Glazov book and it’s very good.
    One shocking part in the book is his information of Female Genital Mutilation and why this contributes to the sexual frustration and emasculation of Arab men who know they cannot please their women and leads to the underground culture of homosexuality in Arab countries. All that’s left for some of them is to blow themselves up so they can reap the reward of the virgins in heaven.

    Extract –

    Indeed, the hatred of female sexuality is directly connected to the widespread practice of homosexuality in this culture, which, as we shall see in chapter eleven, is simultaneously demonized and denied. In the context of this fear and hatred of private love and female sexuality, the guardians of purity inflict numerous punishments to keep women confined in slavery.

    One of the most frightening manifestations of this hatred of women is also the most direct assault on their sexuality. In its effort to deny women even the possibility of personal happiness and sexual satisfaction, the law of men mandates that at the age of seven or eight—before their menstrual periods begin—their sexuality be amputated.32

    This is the so-called “female circumcision,” more accurately described as female genital mutilation (FGM), based on the notion that a girl’s genital area is dirty and unacceptable.33 An uncircumcised girl is called nigsa (unclean); the only way she can become non-nigsa is to have part of her external genitals sliced off. How much is amputated varies among cultures.

    In Egypt only the clitoris is amputated; in countries like Sudan the woman-haters are not so kind. In a savagery called infibulation, the girl’s external genital organs are completely removed: the clitoris, the two major outer lips (labia majora) and the two minor inner lips (labia minora).34 In Sudan, the term used for this is tahur—which means “cleansing” or “purification.”

    FGM predates Islam and is not exclusively Muslim; many non-Islamic parts of Africa whose cultural traditions also dehumanize women practice FGM. The fact remains, however, that Muslims are the principal religious group that practices this sexual violence against women. In Egypt, for instance, 97 percent of girls are circumcised. Saadawi relates how, at the age of six, she was assaulted with FGM at the hands of strangers and how she saw her mother “right in the midst of these strangers, talking to them and smiling at them, as though they had not participated in slaughtering her daughter just a few moments ago.”35

    More than 130 million women living today have suffered through this horrifying practice, and more than two million girls face assault by it each year: that is more than five thousand girls every day. Many girls lose their lives during FGM, which is often done with broken glass. Most victims suffer from chronic infection and pain for the rest of their lives. The mutilation robs women of their ability to enjoy the fullness of their sexuality. Approximately 75 percent of women cannot achieve orgasm without clitoral stimulation; thus the possibility of sexual satisfaction has been obliterated for millions of women in the Muslim-Arab world.

    Glazov, Jamie (2009-03-03). United in Hate: The Left’s Romance with Tyranny and Terror, Midpoint Trade Books. Kindle Edition.

    And –

    Unable to accept that Westernization is the only way out of their failure and humiliation, Islamists convince themselves that Westernization is actually the root of the problem. They conclude that they must resurrect the world of Islam as it existed in the seventh century, during Muhammad’s time—and then continue violent jihad until the whole earth is ruled by Islamic law, bringing about paradise on earth.

    This, again, is the common denominator between the Left and Islamism: Ground Zero must be engendered everywhere so that the earthly paradise can be built on its ashes. As we explore the Islamist urge for destruction, the evidence emerges that generalized feelings of impotence in the face of the infidel’s greater power are exacerbated by specifically sexual feelings of emasculation. Because of the prevailing totalitarian puritanism and the hatred of women and their sexuality, the Muslim Arab male is consumed with feelings of sexual frustration, confusion, and inadequacy.

    It is crucial to examine the dynamics of this phenomenon, since they are directly related to the spawning of the terror culture. To begin with, in a structure in which a woman has no sexual freedom, the husband will never know whether he himself would have been the woman’s real choice. He will also never truly know if he is better as a lover than other men could have been—or could be—to his wife. Moreover, if the wife is circumcised, she is unable to experience a full measure of satisfaction, further increasing the husband’s insecurity. And when he is forced to confront the existence of sexually fulfilled women in the West, his feelings of self-doubt and inadequacy grow even stronger.

    Glazov, Jamie (2009-03-03). United in Hate: The Left’s Romance with Tyranny and Terror (Kindle Locations 2592-2594). Midpoint Trade Books. Kindle Edition.

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  71. Jack5 (5,055 comments) says:

    Alan Wilkinson, who sometimes posts on Kiwiblog, has a whack at a Hooerald article by Anne Salmond this morning. Salmond takes a leftist academic whack at commandeering Adam Smith for socialism.

    In a feedback footnote to the Salmond piece, Alan calls Salmond a historian.

    Salmond is an anthropologist, and seems to have risen in academia by her work on Maori, notably on oral history, if you can call family and hapu stories and legends and tales history.

    Adam Smith’s views don’t mesh with libertarian views IMHO, but he sure as hell was NOT a pre-Marx socialist, and he was light years away from any other type of Utopian socialism.

    On Smith, Salmond is echoing leftist babble on the internet. Several leftist groups take snippets from Adam Smith’s works and with them to try to hammer the Right and Centre-Right. They could take snippets from the Bible,too, if they didn’t dismiss Christianity.

    Probably influenced by her profession of anthropology, Salmond seems to believe that oral history passed down over centuries has equal value with preserved written-printed records. When she talks about Adam Smith, you half expect Salmond to refer to chatter today from a pub at Glasgow University where Smith studied, or from the locals at Kirkcaldy, where he grew up.

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  72. Fletch (6,296 comments) says:

    ps, link to the my excerpt above online, just to show that it is free to read and I am not breaking copyright by posting –

    http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=jSNyrWboYmkC&lpg=PA124&ots=3M5WEeXF1J&dq=united%20in%20hate%20infibulation&pg=PA123#v=onepage&q&f=false

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  73. Griff (7,520 comments) says:

    Manolo (9,061) Says:
    February 19th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    Griff will weep after reading this: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SCI_SNOW_GLOBAL_WARMING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-02-18-11-33-15

    A big scam and con for which we are paying taxes!

    No manalulu you fucked up big time. Griff Did not weep when he read your link.

    This effect is widely Predicted by climate modeling.

    As has the combination of drought and record rain fall occurring together in both Australia and the USA.
    It will be quite amusing to see the Distortions the climate denial nuttersphere makes to explain the ongoing drought In the usa in the coming year.
    http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/expert_assessment/season_drought.gif

    Then you alleged conspiracy.
    You do know that global conspiracy with that many involved would be much more documented then the distortions generated on the denial echo chamber.

    Here is a conspiracy for you

    Conservative billionaires used a secretive funding route to channel nearly $120m (£77m) to more than 100 groups casting doubt about the science behind climate change,
    The funds, doled out between 2002 and 2010, helped build a vast network of thinktanks and activist groups working to a single purpose: to redefine climate change from neutral scientific fact to a highly polarising “wedge issue” for hardcore conservatives.

    The only thing is this one has more than just talk to back it up. it has documents proving its existence.
    You *Ditto heads are being feed rubbish designed to allow oil and coal company’s to continue to rip you off despite the effect on our planet.

    * Means anyone who gets their information from non-expert sources or those who believe the agenda-less have an agenda in political discourse, be it climate change or gun control or health care. Much like creationists, the average dittohead is unable to be reasoned with or engage in rational thought.

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  74. ex-golfer (158 comments) says:

    Ms Dim – are you going to campaign for “First Past the Post” to be reinstated as our electoral platform given you now state that “this minority National Government (which DID campaign on asset sales) has only 59 out of 121 MPs.”?
    We have not had a one-party majority government since your beloved MMP was introduced.
    Idiot.

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  75. RightNow (6,988 comments) says:

    “New Blog Unites Top Left-Wing Political Commentators And Progressive Opinion Shapers

    by The Daily Blog – 19 Feb 2013 12:39
    Launching Friday 1 March, 2013, the ‘TheDailyBlog.co.nz’ unites 30 of the country’s leading left-wing commentators and progressive opinion shapers to provide the other side of the story on today’s news, media and political agendas.
    The Daily Blog Editor, Martyn Bradbury says one of the primary objectives of the blog will be to widen political debate in the lead up to the 2014 New Zealand election.
    “Global trends continue to point to blogging and social media as key influencers of mainstream media reporting as well as public opinion. With so much at stake in 2014 we plan to use this online platform to fortify the collective voice of the left and progressive opinions, and enhance the quality of debate across the political spectrum,” says Mr Bradbury.
    The Daily Blog is supported by UNITE, the Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU) and the New Zealand Dairy Workers Union (NZDWU). Members of the public are also able to make donations through the blog’s supporter page.
    Mr Bradbury says it is hugely encouraging to see three of the country’s major Unions engage in social media and blogging in an effort to further debate around New Zealand’s rapidly increasing inequality.
    “New Zealand has 270 000 of its children in poverty, an unemployment rate in the double figures and the highest level of inequality recorded. There is a serious lack of critical public media services available and it’s up to the blogs to fill the gap.”
    “I wish to pay respects to the three Unions involved in this project and I look forward to blog posts from Matt McCarten, Chris Flatt and Wayne Butson as they gauge the temperature of industrial relations through the lens of their unions,” says Mr Bradbury.
    TheDailyBlog.co.nz will feature: Chris Trotter, Selwyn Manning, Professor Jane Kelsey, Keith Locke, Sue Bradford, John Minto, David Slack, Morgan Godfery, Gareth Renowden, Martyn Bradbury, Coley Tangerina, Phoebe Fletcher, Dr Wayne Hope, Queen of Thorns, Burnt out Teacher, Steve Grey, Aaron Hawkins, Marama Davidson, Tim Selwyn, James Ritchie, Efeso Collins, Robert Winter, Lynn Prentice, Frank MacsKasy, Matt McCarten, Wayne Butson, Chris Flatt, Allan Alach and The Liberal Agenda.
    The twitter account is twitter.com/TheDailyBlogNZ – follow it for all the latest updates.
    TheDailyBlog.co.nz – read the other side of the story
    ENDS ”

    Well that should be as much fun as herpes.

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  76. meh (165 comments) says:

    @Penny:

    In my considered opinion

    And therein lies a major hole in your argument. It’s your opinion, and its wrong. I’m an Ohariu voter, and so are many of my friends. It was very clear what was proposed and what I (and a portion) of my circle voted for when voting for Peter Dunne.

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  77. meh (165 comments) says:

    @Rightnow – looks like so much trolling potential, better stock up on throwaway email addresses and offshore proxy server subscriptions. :P

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  78. peterwn (3,246 comments) says:

    Re TANZ again. Insurance companies are quite used to receiving claims where cars hit power poles, lamp posts, etc or contractors damage underground cables. They got a dose of my bush lawyer skills when I was in that game – my biggest scalp was $30,000 off Wellington City Council for damaging a 33,000 volt cable and my biggest failure was trying to claim $6000 off a council candidate when she or one of her workers put a waratah stake through a 11,000 volt cable when erecting an election sign (fortunately no one was zapped). It was proceeding nicely when the big boss phoned me directly and told me to lay off. I told one guy we took three people to Disputes Tribunal in one day and won the lot. He coughed up without further fuss. Thanks alson to an ex traffic cop in the office who was also pretty good at this.

    What the insurance companies have not seen before is a claim for TANZ’s contractor’s response to deal with the aftermath of a motor accident (lane closures, temporary signage, cleaning up the mess, etc).

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  79. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Elaycee
    Your circle must be very small..I didn’t say you couldn’t have an opinion. I was just wanting you to be logical and economically sound. Prison , the way it happens here is not economically viable..nor is it efficient..having people endlessly going back into prison costs people like your good self an extraordinary amount of money , for what result?? More damage , more crime, more outrage..To me , outrage very much has its limits.. I like to see results and value for money..NZ’s current system is not value for money.

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  80. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Right now I havnt a list of arseholes compiled like that since the last labour and new zealand first lists came out.

    one drone and one smart bomb a t an editorial meeting and new zealand could be an all together better place to live

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  81. RightNow (6,988 comments) says:

    Well since it’s a union mouthpiece I expect it will start with a small audience and shrink from there. I expect also a few of those union’s members to cancel their membership when they discover what their money is spent on.

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  82. RRM (9,841 comments) says:

    And therein lies a major hole in your argument. It’s your opinion, and its wrong.

    Quick, concise, to the point.

    I like your style, correspondent “meh”. I hope we’ll be seeing you on here more often!

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  83. Griff (7,520 comments) says:

    Once were noble stone age savages.
    The three sons facing charges of injuring with intent to injure in relation to the August 24 incident are Mau Toa Harawira, 30, Enesi Zane Brooks Taito, 25, and Tohora Harawira, 22.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10866356

    How many of this hapu have got assault convictions or similar?
    Maori should examine the leadership role that this family has in its political movements.

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  84. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    Penny, don’t forget that your third rates instalment is due in a week’s time.

    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2013

    http://www.dodgypennyhasgone.com

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  85. cha (3,944 comments) says:

    Woohoo, wireless power.

    http://www.slashgear.com/korean-mass-transit-moving-towards-wireless-power-18269747/

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  86. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    You just gotta love these effing muslims.

    This P.O.S not only raped and tortured his 5 year old daughter to preserve his ‘honour’
    he raped her every which way then tortuured her to death.
    5 years old. And you can bet he loved every sickening moment.

    Can you imagine raping and torturing a five year old ? This shithead did it to his own daughter as prescribed
    by his religion of peace and tolerance. islam.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2273171/Fayhan-al-Ghamdi-raped-tortured-daughter-5-death-escapes-light-
    sentence.html

    We need more muslims in New Zealand like we need a hole in the head.

    You can put your ring around the fact that every single ‘refugee’ we take from Australia will be an
    effing muslim.
    And every one of them will have countless family members who will follow them under
    the patrialical clause or whatever it’s called.
    Those effers will not be counted in our refugee quota.

    How stupid can we be ?

    Oh yeah, i forgotti, they will be different here because we celebrate them and embrace them more
    than any other country.

    Doesn’t it make you want to puke your guts ?

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  87. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    thanks for the thumbs down Griff.

    i take it as a badge of honour from one such as you.

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  88. Griff (7,520 comments) says:

    Hung for a wolf as a lamb
    now ya got two

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  89. Elaycee (4,378 comments) says:

    @joana: My circle is certainly not small but it is selective. No murderers. No scumbags. No-one with any travel limitations. Just decent, law abiding folk who work for their money and pay their tax accordingly. But thanks for asking. :)

    But you miss the point with this comment:

    Prison , the way it happens here is not economically viable..nor is it efficient..having people endlessly going back into prison costs people like your good self an extraordinary amount of money , for what result??

    The ‘result’ is that these morons have had their liberty taken from them as a form of punishment for their crimes. And whilst they’re off the streets, they’re not a threat to society in general. As such, I have no issues paying tax to keep these criminals locked up.

    But I don’t welcome the thought of any tax dollars being allocated to a convicted murderer in order that he can have gang tattoos removed from his face.

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  90. axeman (252 comments) says:

    From the “Oh dear how sad” files. Crunch time today for the moribund carbon market
    http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21571940-crunch-time-worlds-most-important-carbon-market-extremely-troubled-scheme?fsrc=scn/tw_ec/extremely_troubled_scheme

    Thanks to the misanthropists in the green movement! Britain’s green energy fiasco
    http://www.thegwpf.org/britains-green-energy-fiasco-running-empty/

    Big, embarrassing news for German climate scientists. Meteorologist Dominik Jung turns skeptical after Germany sets record 5 consecutive colder than normal winters!
    http://notrickszone.com/2013/02/17/meteorologist-dominik-jung-turns-skeptical-after-germany-sets-record-5-consecutive-colder-than-normal-winters/

    Sebastian Lüning and Klaus-Eckart Puls write the story of how renowned German climate scientists had for years predicted warmer winters with snow becoming increasingly more rare – before they turned on a dime and suddenly claimed global warming would cause colder winters.
    http://notrickszone.com/2013/02/15/how-germanys-climate-scientists-suddenly-changed-their-predictions-of-warm-winters-to-cold-snowy-ones/

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  91. Kacang (36 comments) says:

    @RightNow Re:The Daily Blog – I didn’t know that before someone started a new blog that they had to list ALL the readers!

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  92. wat dabney (3,725 comments) says:

    This effect is widely Predicted by climate modeling.

    More snow, and less snow, are predicted by climate modelling.

    More rain, and less rain.

    There is nothing which isn’t claimed as evidence by these charlatans.

    And of course, when Griff says that “this effect is widely Predicted by climate modeling” he’s just pulling it out of his arse. He has repeatedly demonstrated complete cluelessness about the issue, coupled with a willingness to make such totally unsupported claims.

    Worse, when you ask for evidence he randomly cuts’n’pastes links which he hasn’t actually read and which, on investigation, turn out to contradict him.

    Such is the AGW believer.

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  93. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Sebastian Lüning and Klaus-Eckart Puls …

    Falsifiability is essential in science, these so-called scientists are not real scientists.

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  94. Griff (7,520 comments) says:

    :lol:
    Forecast : a flurry of denial dribble interspersed with conspiracy and personal attack

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  95. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    This P.O.S not only raped and tortured his 5 year old daughter…

    Bereal, Fayhan al-Ghamdi’s crimes are the opposite of what the Qur’an teaches, so he’s not a real Muslim.

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  96. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    You just gotta love these effing muslims. This P.O.S not only raped and tortured his 5 year old daughter to preserve his ‘honour’

    bereal he’s a P.O.S. alright but has it occurred to you that he did this because of something in himself, in the same way that some Catholic priests rape children because of something in their selves?

    Or in your world, does every single thing any Muslim ever does always get sheeted home to their religion? And if that’s the case, do you also think Catholicism (and presumably by extension in your mind, every single Catholic on Earth) is in precisely and exactly the same boat, and if not, why not?

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  97. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Griff, is (unbiased) climate science really repeatable when the only people who can get the data are funded by governments?

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  98. Griff (7,520 comments) says:

    Unbiased mr ugly would not be found on the denial echo chamber.
    For instance if you go to axenukcles linked sites.
    You will not find unbiased science.
    You will find cherry picks, willful ignorance,distortions and heavily biased opinion pieces.
    Science is not done on climate denial blogs misinformation is

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  99. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    You do understand the point of my question, Griff?

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  100. Viking2 (11,417 comments) says:

    Labor-Greens alliance dead, says Milne

    Greens leader Senator Christine Milne has announced the end of the formal alliance between Labor and the Greens, but pledged to continue to vote against no confidence motions and for supply bills in order for the parliament to continue until the September 14 election day.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/laborgreens-alliance-dead-says-milne-20130219-2eoqz.html#ixzz2LK4fbcF2

    so we follow!

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  101. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Consequences…..

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/z520fo4u50f827o/Fling.jpg

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  102. Steve (North Shore) (4,547 comments) says:

    The must be a lot of yelling, blamestorming, ducking for cover, blackmailing, fighting, dealing …..

    going on in the Harawira, Hadfield, Hatfield FAMILY tonight.
    Any Moari with less than three names is not a Moari

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  103. Kea (12,448 comments) says:

    UglyTruth. Why can you not accept the science that the world will end if we do not destroy democratic capitalist countries and become a global village of organic farming vegans with a single socialist world government. The “science” is clear on this. One has only to look at the success of the Soviet empire and Mao’s great leap forward to see how the model works.

    Gaia is crying. Join Griff for a joint to strive for Climate Justice.

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  104. Viking2 (11,417 comments) says:

    nasska (5,692) Says:
    February 19th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    Consequences…..

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/z520fo4u50f827o/Fling.jpg

    tut tut. wrong bird.
    Musta been a Kiwi.
    They have the largest egg for body size of any bird.

    Obviously the buggers can’t stop themselves even in the ol’ Country.

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  105. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    I’m growing a wonderful pumpkin by shitting on it Kea.

    Will I be saved when Gaia makes her judgement? :)

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  106. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Said a journalist in 1865:

    “But aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?”

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  107. Viking2 (11,417 comments) says:

    For the first time in the survey we ask agents about whether they are noticing more or fewer foreign buyers in the market and where they appear to come from. The top country is the United Kingdom with 27% of agents noting this, followed by China at 24%, then Australia 22%.
    In Auckland however Chinese buyers are seen as prevalent among foreigners by 45% of agents responding.

    http://tonyalexander.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/WOFebruary-14.pdf

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  108. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    In no particular order.

    Reid @ 6.40 Try to grasp a fundamental difference, Catholics do not endorse or encourage child abuse
    or child molestation, it is not considered a legitimate sanction by any religion except islam.

    Sadly child abuse does happen in our society and it is correctly regarded as a crime.
    However abuse to this extent is unheard of in the name of any Christian religion.
    Wanna argue that point ?

    Ugly Truth @ 6.39 (aptly named) Chooses to ignore the fact that this abominable crime and its perpertrators
    non punishment was committed by a teacher of islam.

    The crime, trial, and “punishment” was conducted under sharia law according to islamic principles.
    Ergo, your conclusion that Fayhani al Shandi is not a real muslim is just silly. A ludicrous excuse.
    Of course he is a muslim, and doubtless a devout one at that.
    You wanna argue ?

    In fact it is ridiculous. Ostrich like stuff.

    This case and the admitted facts of it are disgusting and indefensible to any decent person from any western
    society however educated or uneducated they may be.
    It could only happen in an islamic society under sharia law, islamic law.

    The incredible thing is that, being in possession of the undisputed facts of this matter it appears
    there are correspondents on this blog who will seek to try to justify it.

    Why the fuck would they try to do that ?

    Why, Reid ?

    Why, Ugly Truth ?

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  109. big bruv (13,729 comments) says:

    “Try to grasp a fundamental difference, Catholics do not endorse or encourage child abuse or child molestation, it is not considered a legitimate sanction by any religion except islam.”

    Except that many suspect that the outgoing leader of the evil Catholic Church Joseph Raztinger is standing down because he condoned the practice of child abuse and child molestation.

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  110. axeman (252 comments) says:

    [sigh] Ugly Truth, Kea and Wat, afraid you will have to continue putting up with gwiffucknuckle, the ALARMISTS’ useful idiot. As mentioned his level of argument is still the one presented by the other CAGW cultists. Denigrating a wealth of skeptical reports and peer reviewed studies by GEOLOGISTS, METEOROLOGISTS and CLIMATE SCIENTISTS that expose the global warming scam, as ‘conspirawacky’ but then promulgating his/their own conspiracy theories about BIG OIL and Heartland.

    GRIEF will still not answer Kea’s simple questions?
    Kea (2,148) Says:

    February 18th, 2013 at 8:08 am
    I used to think Griff was sincere but mistaken. Now I am not so sure. He will not answer my simple questions.

    1. Who pays the [alarmist]climate scientists ?

    2. Would they have that money if AGW theory was proven false ?

    3. What is the AGW industry estimated to be worth Globally ? (to the nearest few trillion dollars)

    I wonder what the problem is? It is especially puzzling given his frequent comments about “funding” and scary stories about BIG OIL and the fictional “Carbon Industry”.

    Also does the illiterate stoner gwuff know that if, by chance, his CAGW hoax revolution works out, that the useful idiots like him are the ones first to be lined up against the wall and shot. :-)

    BTW (again) The Global Warming Cult and the Death of Science

    “………”If you believe that freedom is at the core of what it means to be human, then the ALARMISTS and what they stand for are instinctively repulsive to you. On the other hand, if you believe that human society must be organized into a moral collective for the betterment of all, then the ALARMIST idea provides a wake up call compelling us to form into ranks and goose step in recycled rubber boots into the [green] future. ”

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  111. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    From the link supplied earlier by ‘bereal”.

    ….”Activists say under Islamic laws a father cannot be executed for murdering his children. Husbands can also not be executed for murdering their wives, the group say.”…..

    This is Islamic Law….Shariah Law, not the law of Saudi Arabia. A law system which equates the life of a baby girl with the value of a second hand car & allows some religious nutjob to walk.

    Maybe it’s time for the apologists for this sect to wake up & smell the coffee.

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  112. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Elaycee
    You missed all my points..My point was the cost of imprisonment. Are you not aware of the costs? You and the good folk you surround yourself with , pay very high taxes to support a system which does not work.

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  113. hj (6,923 comments) says:

    Billionaires are hiding behind a network of “independent” groups, who manipulate politics on their behalf.

    By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian 19th February 2013.

    Conspiracies against the public don’t get much uglier than this. As the Guardian revealed last week, two secretive organisations working for US billionaires have spent $118m to ensure that no action is taken to prevent manmade climate change(1). While inflicting untold suffering on the world’s people, their funders have used these opaque structures to ensure that their identities are never exposed.

    http://www.monbiot.com

    Wouldn’t mind betting there’s land supply involved here too?

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  114. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    An erudite observation nasska.
    as opposed to the submission from big bruv.

    Nothing really wrong with big bruvs post.
    Just that it exposes the fact he has no appreciation of the larger issue.

    Love to hear from Reid or Ugly Truth.

    Also Griff, grow up you girl.
    Thumbs down to everything does get a little boring darling.

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  115. hj (6,923 comments) says:

    Attn Griff

    http://www.monbiot.com/2013/02/18/secrets-of-the-rich/

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  116. hj (6,923 comments) says:

    The two organisations – the Donors’ Trust and the Donors’ Capital Fund – were set up as political funding channels for people handing over $1m or more. They have financed 102 organisations which either dismiss climate science or downplay the need to take action. The large number of recipients creates the impression that there are many independent voices challenging climate science. These groups, working through the media, mobilising gullible voters and lobbying politicians, helped to derail Obama’s cap and trade bill and the climate talks at Copenhagen. Now they’re seeking to prevent the US president from trying again(2).

    This covers only part of the funding. In total, between 2002 and 2010 the two identity-laundering groups paid $311m to 480 organisations(3), most of which take positions of interest to the ultra-rich and the corporations they run: less tax, less regulation, a smaller public sector. Around a quarter of the money received by the rightwing opinion swarm comes from the two foundations. If this funding were not effective, it wouldn’t exist: the ultra-rich didn’t get that way by throwing their money around randomly. The organisations they support are those which advance their interests.

    A small number of the funders have been exposed by researchers trawling through tax records. They include the billionaire Koch brothers *(paying into the two groups through their Knowledge and Progress Fund) and the DeVos family (the billionaire owners of Amway)(4). More significantly, we now know a little more about the recipients. Many describe themselves as free market or conservative think tanks.

    *small world.. Wendell Cox… Demographia…. .. our government (National)!

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  117. Kea (12,448 comments) says:

    I feel that our friend Griff has been misunderstood by some on KB. In order to clear up any misunderstanding I present to the KB community this very brief summary from Griff himself. His lovely partner, Karma, has few words at the end (its worth waiting for folks) :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSo-MEiMbac

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  118. Viking2 (11,417 comments) says:

    Garry Poole new Tauranga CEO

    Posted at 5:25pm Tuesday 19th Feb, 2013
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    Wellington City Council Chief Executive, Garry Poole, is confirmed as the new Chief Executive of Tauranga City Council.

    The announcement was made following a meeting of councillors this afternoon. Garry is expected to take up his new Tauranga job in April.

    http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/39283-garry-poole-new-tauranga-ceo.html

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  119. hj (6,923 comments) says:

    Hard to believe that the ultra rich could be so pathologically selfish huh!?

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  120. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    Whenever I hear of the Harawira’s, somehow I am reminded of this

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  121. wat dabney (3,725 comments) says:

    Catholics do not endorse or encourage child abuse or child molestation

    The Bible tells us that disobedient children must be stoned to death.

    Apparently that doesn’t qualify as child abuse.

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  122. Kea (12,448 comments) says:

    hj (3,452) Says:
    February 19th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
    Hard to believe that the ultra rich could be so pathologically selfish huh!?

    I want to agree, but I am curious as to what you are comparing them to ?

    The greedy capitalist pigs do not look so bad, when you compare them to socialist regimes where the party elite want for nothing and live in splendor, while the workers starve or live brutal lives of grinding poverty, with no chance of escape physically or economically.

    So it begs the question; what is your reference point when you make that statement ?

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  123. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Careful Griff! :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a3dcusr1ljwpsw2/Kea%202.jpg

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  124. Kea (12,448 comments) says:

    wat dabney (2,357) Says:
    February 19th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
    “Catholics do not endorse or encourage child abuse or child molestation”

    The Bible tells us that disobedient children must be stoned to death.

    Apparently that doesn’t qualify as child abuse.

    Also non-virgin brides can be stoned to death on their fathers door-step.

    Of course, if they were raped, the good book demands they marry their rapist and can never divorce.

    ( For those interested in legal stuff, rape is a Property Crime in the bible. The party suffering the loss is the owner of the female. The owner must be compensated at the prescribed rate.)

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  125. hj (6,923 comments) says:

    They are skilled at rechannelling the public anger which might otherwise have been directed at their funders
    ……
    house prices: greenies holding up developers…!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/18/charities-pr-rightwing-ultra-rich

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  126. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    James Stephenson contributes:

    Funny how “big” has become such a perjorative…Big Tobacco, Big Oil, Big Pharma…who are Little Tobacco?

    I like that kind of observation James- another one of life’s mysteries. Some genius or geniuses out there started that trend- wouldn’t it be cool to be able to trace it’s origin?

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  127. Elaycee (4,378 comments) says:

    @joana: Sorry, I thought I’d made my point….

    The system IS largely working – because it is keeping these mongrels locked up as part of their punishment for their illegal actions. And by having these morons locked up, the system also means that society is safer because these criminals are not walking around our streets. And I have no issues at all with my tax dollars being spent on building more prisons to lock up these criminals. Double bunked / converted containers – sounds like a great idea to me.

    And I agree on another point you raised – we spend far too much on keeping these morons locked up… whilst prisoners should be provided with the essentials (food, water and shelter) the taxpayer should not be expected to fork out for TVs, laptops etc. Jail is, after all, punishment for crimes committed. As I said at the outset, actions have consequences.

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  128. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    Viking2 reports:

    Garry Poole new Tauranga CEO

    Good for him. It’s like sport eh? He’s transferred to another club.

    I assume that the man has enough wealth to retire with a fabulous lifestyle? If so… good on him for his calvinist work ethic.

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  129. Kea (12,448 comments) says:

    LRC, maybe Griff would like the oil industry better if it was broken up into thousands of inefficient little cottage industries. They could make “organic” co2………….. OH WAIT……… It is organic anyway. “Carbon” means organic and is the basis of all known life.

    There is a tiny industry for Elemental carbon. That is the only “carbon industry” unless you mean the multi trillion dollar organics industry.

    Here is a bit about what the actual “carbon industry does”. Exciting stuff ! :)

    “Black paints and lacquers possess approximately double the lifetime through the reinforcing power of colloidal carbon and its ability to screen out injurious actinic radiation
    Printing inks give clear, instantaneous imprints due to colloidal carbon black
    Rubber insulation – additional insulating and protective value due to the inclusion of colloidal carbon”

    http://www.malvern.com/labeng/industry/mineral-processing/carbon.htm

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  130. Kea (12,448 comments) says:

    nasska (5,695) Says:
    February 19th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
    Careful Griff!

    LOL :)

    Good one.

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  131. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    fluffy mcfluff fluff take it or leave it:

    My latest weapon in the weight maintenance war: soy sauce. Love it on the green boiled veg. Trying to get back down to my happy weight once more and enjoyed an unprecedented two full large pots of veg this evening thanks to the wonderful flavour soy sauce gives it. Full stomach…. yeah!!

    And on a recent occasion I cooked the veg simply for the great taste of it with the soy sauce. So that’s a meal I now look forward to rather than ‘having to do’ a little reluctantly. That’s a battle turned in my favour, can I also win the war?

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  132. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    Elaycee @ 9:31 pm

    Amen to most of that comment. *cyber pat on the shoulder*

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  133. Kea (12,448 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre, veges can taste like food, if you add sauces and spices. Indians and Asians know how to do that well. Try a few Indian recipes for lentils (or ask Griff) Chickpeas etc.

    Personally I only eat Whale meat deep fried in Dolphin blubber & cooked over a roaring fire of car tyres and exotic rain forest hard woods.

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  134. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    Kea @ 9:35 pm

    Kea… how did I get sucked up into some climate change shit? I was just minding my own business!!

    I don’t know how either of you choose to devote however much time it is you do going through all the infinite screeds of info about the climate change debate. It’s fucking impressive to me. I’m just about asleep trying to read the two words ‘climate’ and ‘change’.

    It actually causes me physical pain to try and read the two ‘c’ words. My brain has an automatic cut-off switch to protect me from wasting lifespan looking at it.

    I’ve tried to care about it… I really have. I just *don’t*!! It’s a big planet man… 7B folks… it’s a bit of a runaway train. It’s like talking about a runaway train when there’s not much you can do about it one way or another. And time… a lot of perhaps not ideal things happen in life because people are so busy with their own lives and their own stuff and deciding that they’d rather enjoy this or do something else rather than risk taking up a cause knowing that there’s not a lot they can do about it whether griffy or kea is right… because even if they do try and do something- everyone has to try and do something… and you know that everyone else is not going to do something and so you don’t either- a bit of a self-perpetuating society.

    Stream of consciousness there- I do apologize to the entire KB universe…

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  135. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre, veges can taste like food, if you add sauces and spices.

    Spice knowledge. ummmm….. Spice Girls?

    I don’t know about Indian food… I don’t like dairies that stink heavily of shit knows what- gluuurcghcgh. Mind you even that’s better than 14 hour shift BO.

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  136. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    @Bereal

    Chooses to ignore the fact that this abominable crime and its perpertrators
    non punishment was committed by a teacher of islam.

    I didn’t ignore it, I argued that Islam (per the Qur’an) teaches the opposite of what he did.

    The crime, trial, and “punishment” was conducted under sharia law according to islamic principles.

    That’s arguable. There is plenty of evidence of gender bias in Islamic society, but it is not because of Islamic principles.

    Ergo, your conclusion that Fayhani al Shandi is not a real muslim is just silly.

    Non sequitur.

    Bereal, I’m defending Islam here, not the man who raped and murdered his own daughter. I have no argument with your opinion of him.

    The reason why I’m defending Islam is because of western ignorance, prejudice, and calumny against the religion. The main area of ignorance is that Christianity’s own canon describes the conflict which led to the separation of the Christians from the people of the way, and that conflict resulted in the lawful path leading to Turkey, not Rome. Unsuprisingly the conflict resulted in religious prejudice, and that prejudice is now institutional via Westminster. An example of the calumny is the assertion that Muslim extremists were responsible for the events of 9/11, and this is consistent with the historical behaviour of the west (eg Northwoods and Gladio).

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  137. Kea (12,448 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre , even I am getting a little bored with CC, but I have some fight left in me ;)

    I am actually a bit of a greeny at heart. However, I feel the modern green movement has become a political ideology based upon the promotion of socialism. I am not alone in this, as the founder of Greenpeace is now a vocal critic of the environmental movement for this very reason.

    Many support AGW based upon a general concern for the environment and various social issues. My concern is that as AGW is more widely rejected, genuine environmental concerns will be rejected along with it. I mean who will listen to “scientists” and experts after they have pulled this AGW bullshit on us ? It will also diminish the credibility of science in the eyes of the public. That is my concern.

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  138. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The Bible tells us that disobedient children must be stoned to death.

    Apparently that doesn’t qualify as child abuse.

    It’s not as simple as that – in Judaic law the death penalty can only be applied in certain circumstances.

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  139. Kea (12,448 comments) says:

    UglyTruth. Nope… It is the clear words of the bible. Trying to introduce other random bits and create a cut and paste bible to suit our modern morality is biblically wrong.

    Sorry.

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  140. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Kea, context is everything. If you don’t know about the balance between severity and mercy your interpretation will always be way off base.

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  141. Griff (7,520 comments) says:

    The president of the World Bank on Saturday warned the finance chiefs of the world’s leading economic powers that global warming is a real risk to the planet and already affecting the world economy in unprecedented ways.

    Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-02-climate-real-economic-world-bank.html#jCp

    Super storm Boha
    More disturbing than Bopha’s size was the fact that it appeared to reflect rapidly deteriorating climatic trends. The five most devastating typhoons recorded in the Philippines have occurred since 1990, affecting 23 million people. What is more, Bopha hit an area where typhoons are all but unknown.
    “Extreme weather is becoming more frequent – you could even call it the new normal,” Sering said. “Last year [Bopha] hurt us very much. If this continues, we are looking at a big drain on resources.”

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  142. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    Kea… I’d never heard of AGW before washing up on KB. But here it is…. staring me in the face. Statistically perhaps I couldn’t avoid it… if not here, then my so-called intellectual curiosity would run into it someplace or other. All roads lead to Rome?

    Good for you Kea. Long may you prosper. Hmmm… that’s a bit Star Trekky.

    Here’s to the joy of having more than one-and-a-half peasant class braincells and living in a relatively well-off country. Where most people can be concerned about anything other than where their next meal is coming from. We’re so lucky.

    Cheers!!

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  143. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    Kea- talking to religious folks is like trying to turn a tiger into a vegan. Good luck with that.

    Wouldn’t it be cool if we could all cross over to the other side and back just for a quick look see… and then someone would be telling someone else ‘see- told ya so!!’.

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  144. Kea (12,448 comments) says:

    Poor old Griff, with the scientists abandoning him he has resorted to quoting BANKERS and other self interest groups wanting a piece of he multi Trillon dollar global industry. At least he is closer to following the money trail…

    He also can not tell the difference between weather and climate. A difference explained by the AGW industry every time Europe gets (yet another) freezing winter, as they are now. Frigid freezing temperatures are “weather” but a seasonal warming (its called summer time) in Aussie is “climate”.

    A bit of common sense helps sort things out I find.

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  145. axeman (252 comments) says:

    Frigid freezing temperatures are “weather” but a seasonal warming (its called summer time) in Aussie is “climate”. :-)

    http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600770_10151390991968895_639590630_n.jpg

    And there has been 65 million years of climate change. The next time you hear “the warmest year on record” excuse you should ask when that record started.
    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:65_Myr_Climate_Change.png

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  146. Kea (12,448 comments) says:

    axeman, how much did ExxonMobil pay you for that post?

    I bet it was chicken feed compared to the billions paid to weathermen for lying about AGW.

    Of course not all weather men lie. Our very own Augie Auer (an atmospheric scientist and meteorologist, Chief Meteorologist for the Meteorological Service) told the truth.

    In a 19 May 2007 interview with The Timaru Herald newspaper, Auer said a combination of misinterpreted and misguided science, media hype, and political spin had created the current hysteria and it was time to put a stop to it, adding “It is time to attack the myth of global warming.”

    So the AGW industry took him off the Telly. Same as they have done with David Bellamy. It speaks volumes about the sort of people behind this.

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  147. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    I’m not above watching Saint Chipmonk and I did feel sorry for the chchabrians that had uninsurable sections in redzones who have been offered 50% of their rateable values by CERA. Is that right?

    Then you had old sackneck Brownlee telling them it was a generous offer considering the land aint worth the paper the deeds are printed on now.

    It would be nice to pay the buggers 100% of their pre-quake value. But… if we’re all into capitalism etc… market forces… then what do you say? The quakes were no-ones fault- the value is gone- tough capitalist titties?

    I can’t imagine losing 100K down the shitter just like that- devastating. How were those people meant to protect themselves from that happening to them before they bought their sections?

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  148. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Jeez, this is hard work trying to get a point through to many of the self hating, politically correct supporters
    of islam and sharia law we have here in New Zealand
    They will argue the hind leg off a camel and it’s hard to tie them down to any particular point.

    i note that Reid, usually up for any discussion has retired hurt tonight.

    Ugly Truth has resorted to the ” ,yes but ,but what about,,,,blah blah.” argument.
    Yes but, is the weakest, craven, non argument that one could dredge up.
    But at least he is up to try and mount some sort of an intelligent argument at least.

    Of course everyone now recognises that Griff is ….. well we all know what Griff is.

    If Griff didn’t have Kea to contiually circle fuck with, well, what would either of them have ?

    But….

    How can we reduce this argument to its most simple terms to avoid wriggle room ?
    and i address Ugly Truth here.

    Would you rather live under a Westminster system of government and justice,
    or, would you rather live under an islamic system and sharia law ?

    And why ?

    Maybe those questions may focus your thoughts. And.

    Secondly. what aspect, if any of islamic and sharia law do you feel are superior to a democracy based on the Wesminster
    system ?

    Thirdly, if you have no answer to the preceeding questions why do you go to bat for islam ?

    Just address the preceeding and ignore the following.

    The third one has to make you think.
    Where did you get your ideas from ?
    were you a student at Waikato at some stage ?

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  149. Pete George (23,480 comments) says:

    Would you rather live under a Westminster system of government and justice,
    or, would you rather live under an islamic system and sharia law ?

    And why ?

    I’d rather live under the system of government and justice that we have in New Zealand. It could benefit from some minor changes and would benefit from a change of attitude to how it is implemented (especially government) but it’s as good as nything anywhere.

    Secondly. what aspect, if any of islamic and sharia law do you feel are superior to a democracy based on the Wesminster system ?

    Don’t know and don’t care, it’s not relevant. There is no chance of very small minority (in New Zealand) religious based law being implemented here, Even those extremists from the (possibly) majority Christian religion can’t impose their views.

    New Zealand has a clear separation of state from religion and in practice that works better in practice than pretty much anywhere.

    Thirdly, if you have no answer to the preceeding questions why do you go to bat for islam ?

    I’ve answered them. And even if I didn’t that doesn’t mean the only other option is to “go to bat for islam”. I am not religious, I don’t have any intention of changing that and I don’t bat for Islam at all.

    I do go in to bat for equality, and I oppose discrimination based on people’s beliefs. Anyone who has religious beliefs has a right to not be comdemned and vilified for things they are not doing and there is no indication or evidence they may ever do.

    I see pressure to impose religious beliefs and religion based laws from extreme Christians here, and from no people of other religious persuasions. As they are a very small minority I don’t have any fears that they will convert New Zealand into a religious state.

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  150. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Bereal, getting your point through involves addressing the fact that the Qur’an opposes the abuse of females, not reducing my argument to “blah blah”.

    Your question about the relative merits of the Islamic and Westminster systems can be answered by comparing their deficiencies. The deficiency of the Westminster system is that is libels anyone who opposes it – at its heart it is unlawful and corrupt. The deficiency of the Islamic system is that it is infiltrated by political mullahs, the Wahabists and the Muslim brotherhood are organizations which support the promotion of a political agenda in the guise of religion. To be honest, I don’t know which would be worse, I think that it depends on the country.

    In response to your second question, theocracy is superior to democracy because deity expresses wisdom that isn’t typically found in secular culture. Democracy is only viable when the the voters are informed of the wider issues and the representatives are able to pursue their public policy without defrauding the minority of their rights.

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  151. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    New Zealand has a clear separation of state from religion and in practice that works better in practice than pretty much anywhere.

    NZ’s head of state is also the head of an offshoot of the state religion of Rome. The Westminster system is based on religion, and one of the beliefs of that religion is that the power of the state is universal.

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  152. RRM (9,841 comments) says:

    David Bain is getting a gay marriage…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/

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  153. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Apparently, California has the highest rate of adultery and depression in the Union. That’s actually a sad State of affairs.

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