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		<title>By: RightNow</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100310</link>
		<dc:creator>RightNow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[V2, I got as far as Rainsforth Dix. I can&#039;t see the parents choosing that name accidentally.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>V2, I got as far as Rainsforth Dix. I can&#8217;t see the parents choosing that name accidentally.</p>
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		<title>By: Viking2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100299</link>
		<dc:creator>Viking2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Smart phone work ends with twist
By David Fisher @DFisherJourno
5:30 AM Thursday Feb 21, 2013

    
The alledged thief of an iPhone belonging to Chris Cherry, a student at Victoria University in Wellington. Cherry managed to track down his missing phone using several tracking apps. Photo / Supplied

A man who lost his smartphone managed to track it down by remotely installing software which allowed him to find who was using it.

But Victoria University doctoral student Chris Cherry&#039;s sleuthing led to an unpleasant discovery - the alleged thief was someone who worked on campus.

Police have since charged the alleged thief, who continues to work at the university.

For Mr Cherry, there is little doubt about the identity of the culprit as a result of the evidence he gathered which led to the arrest.

The phone was lost about six months ago after he left it on a window ledge in a university toilet. He wrote it off and bought another.

However, when Mr Cherry began uploading applications from a tablet device he accidentally clicked on an icon for his old phone, rather than the new one he had replaced it with.

He found the old phone was still active - and contained content he had not created or used.

He then used software called Plan B - a &quot;find your phone&quot; app that sent five GPS signals to his email address from the campus.


Another application called AndroidLost gave the lost phone&#039;s serial number and email addresses of the person using it.

From this information, Mr Cherry found a Facebook page and recognised a staff member he spoke to the morning the phone went missing.

He took photographs remotely using the camera at the front of the phone, capturing images of the alleged thief, and also recorded the man speaking.

One evening Mr Cherry was able to grab the entire 350MB contents of the phone, including holiday pictures and other personal information.

He passed the evidence to police and a man was charged with theft.

Mr Cherry complained to the university about the staff member.

Rainsforth Dix, the associate director of campus operations, determined that the staff member &quot;must provide a written apology, pay for a new Sim card and, if you wish to do so, meet with you to allow you to tell him of the impact of his actions&quot;.

When Mr Cherry objected, he was told his emailed complaint was not considered a &quot;formal&quot; complaint and would not be until he wrote to Vice-chancellor Professor Pat Walsh.

Mr Cherry said: &quot;The university want to drown me in bureaucracy ... they&#039;re seeking to tie me up in some weird, Byzantine process.&quot;

The university has refused to comment. The court case is tomorrow.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10866733

So Vic are sheilding an alledged theif.
Should this guy lose his job?

Why Not???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smart phone work ends with twist<br />
By David Fisher @DFisherJourno<br />
5:30 AM Thursday Feb 21, 2013</p>
<p>The alledged thief of an iPhone belonging to Chris Cherry, a student at Victoria University in Wellington. Cherry managed to track down his missing phone using several tracking apps. Photo / Supplied</p>
<p>A man who lost his smartphone managed to track it down by remotely installing software which allowed him to find who was using it.</p>
<p>But Victoria University doctoral student Chris Cherry&#8217;s sleuthing led to an unpleasant discovery &#8211; the alleged thief was someone who worked on campus.</p>
<p>Police have since charged the alleged thief, who continues to work at the university.</p>
<p>For Mr Cherry, there is little doubt about the identity of the culprit as a result of the evidence he gathered which led to the arrest.</p>
<p>The phone was lost about six months ago after he left it on a window ledge in a university toilet. He wrote it off and bought another.</p>
<p>However, when Mr Cherry began uploading applications from a tablet device he accidentally clicked on an icon for his old phone, rather than the new one he had replaced it with.</p>
<p>He found the old phone was still active &#8211; and contained content he had not created or used.</p>
<p>He then used software called Plan B &#8211; a &#8220;find your phone&#8221; app that sent five GPS signals to his email address from the campus.</p>
<p>Another application called AndroidLost gave the lost phone&#8217;s serial number and email addresses of the person using it.</p>
<p>From this information, Mr Cherry found a Facebook page and recognised a staff member he spoke to the morning the phone went missing.</p>
<p>He took photographs remotely using the camera at the front of the phone, capturing images of the alleged thief, and also recorded the man speaking.</p>
<p>One evening Mr Cherry was able to grab the entire 350MB contents of the phone, including holiday pictures and other personal information.</p>
<p>He passed the evidence to police and a man was charged with theft.</p>
<p>Mr Cherry complained to the university about the staff member.</p>
<p>Rainsforth Dix, the associate director of campus operations, determined that the staff member &#8220;must provide a written apology, pay for a new Sim card and, if you wish to do so, meet with you to allow you to tell him of the impact of his actions&#8221;.</p>
<p>When Mr Cherry objected, he was told his emailed complaint was not considered a &#8220;formal&#8221; complaint and would not be until he wrote to Vice-chancellor Professor Pat Walsh.</p>
<p>Mr Cherry said: &#8220;The university want to drown me in bureaucracy &#8230; they&#8217;re seeking to tie me up in some weird, Byzantine process.&#8221;</p>
<p>The university has refused to comment. The court case is tomorrow.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10866733" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10866733</a></p>
<p>So Vic are sheilding an alledged theif.<br />
Should this guy lose his job?</p>
<p>Why Not???</p>
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		<title>By: Viking2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100297</link>
		<dc:creator>Viking2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[aah Manolo, Did you read it?
I actually agree with Morgan on this. Wild cats are nasty nasty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aah Manolo, Did you read it?<br />
I actually agree with Morgan on this. Wild cats are nasty nasty.</p>
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		<title>By: Manolo</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100295</link>
		<dc:creator>Manolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Morgan, a complete I-know-it-all idiot.  I have had enough of his continuous bleating. 
http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/8331526/Morgans-attack-on-cats-extends-to-SPCA-staff]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morgan, a complete I-know-it-all idiot.  I have had enough of his continuous bleating.<br />
<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/8331526/Morgans-attack-on-cats-extends-to-SPCA-staff" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/8331526/Morgans-attack-on-cats-extends-to-SPCA-staff</a></p>
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		<title>By: Viking2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100294</link>
		<dc:creator>Viking2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s one for Gareth cat eliminatiom Program.
enjoy.

http://screencast.com/t/tyixSiOIqPu]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s one for Gareth cat eliminatiom Program.<br />
enjoy.</p>
<p><a href="http://screencast.com/t/tyixSiOIqPu" rel="nofollow">http://screencast.com/t/tyixSiOIqPu</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yvette</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100260</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Penny Bright
Anti-corruption campaigner’
2013 Auckland Mayoral Candidate  &lt;/i&gt;

I would have thought that a principled person, not paying their rates to protest a point, would act to make that point within a reasonable time - say, at the outside two years – if only to emphasize how fucking useless the Auckland City council is in having ratepayers comply with the simplest first requirement – that they pay rates.

Someone who allows this position to exist for up to four years or longer is not acting in a principled manner displaying any integrity – rather they are as corrupt as those they claim to campaign against.

But then someone who responds to the comment –
“Pay your rates thieving bludging bloody mad woman.”
with -
&quot;‘thedavincimode’ – you have NO idea how much you have made my day :-) &quot;
indicates Penny Bright&#039;s real motivation.
Do not fed the watchdog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Penny Bright<br />
Anti-corruption campaigner’<br />
2013 Auckland Mayoral Candidate  </i></p>
<p>I would have thought that a principled person, not paying their rates to protest a point, would act to make that point within a reasonable time &#8211; say, at the outside two years – if only to emphasize how fucking useless the Auckland City council is in having ratepayers comply with the simplest first requirement – that they pay rates.</p>
<p>Someone who allows this position to exist for up to four years or longer is not acting in a principled manner displaying any integrity – rather they are as corrupt as those they claim to campaign against.</p>
<p>But then someone who responds to the comment –<br />
“Pay your rates thieving bludging bloody mad woman.”<br />
with -<br />
&#8220;‘thedavincimode’ – you have NO idea how much you have made my day <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8221;<br />
indicates Penny Bright&#8217;s real motivation.<br />
Do not fed the watchdog.</p>
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		<title>By: nasska</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100257</link>
		<dc:creator>nasska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anything that will keep everyone circle jerking over the weather/climate is a good move Griff.  At least the subject displaces abortion, gay marriage &amp; David Bain. 

I like to keep the pot well stirred. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anything that will keep everyone circle jerking over the weather/climate is a good move Griff.  At least the subject displaces abortion, gay marriage &amp; David Bain. </p>
<p>I like to keep the pot well stirred. <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100252</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually no it does not 
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial
Spot the hoax.
Open the two graphs that are supposed to be from  the same data source!
Someone has tampered with the graph and those that frequent these nutjob sites think that it is the actual official sea ice extent.
Just little lies.  A gentle rain of distortion.
The denial echo chamber continually misrepresent papers  cherry pick and quote mine.
I am actually surprised that you fall for such blatant propaganda.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually no it does not<br />
<a href="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial" rel="nofollow">http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial</a><br />
Spot the hoax.<br />
Open the two graphs that are supposed to be from  the same data source!<br />
Someone has tampered with the graph and those that frequent these nutjob sites think that it is the actual official sea ice extent.<br />
Just little lies.  A gentle rain of distortion.<br />
The denial echo chamber continually misrepresent papers  cherry pick and quote mine.<br />
I am actually surprised that you fall for such blatant propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: nasska</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100236</link>
		<dc:creator>nasska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This could help you Griff.  :)

Ref:  https://www.dropbox.com/s/yd4q1ldxb9dtjcv/PaperClipMan.jpg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This could help you Griff.  <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ref:  <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/yd4q1ldxb9dtjcv/PaperClipMan.jpg" rel="nofollow">https://www.dropbox.com/s/yd4q1ldxb9dtjcv/PaperClipMan.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100230</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is the denial ice extent northern 
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png
 the graph has been doctored to make the melt appear less.

Here is the real ice extent northern
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.anom.jpg
note the red were it has run right of the graph. 

Hockey schtick site = full of shit site.  Such a dishonest manipulation :lol: and the wingnuts worship these websites as more trustful than actual science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the denial ice extent northern<br />
<a href="http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png" rel="nofollow">http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png</a><br />
 the graph has been doctored to make the melt appear less.</p>
<p>Here is the real ice extent northern<br />
<a href="http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.anom.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.anom.jpg</a><br />
note the red were it has run right of the graph. </p>
<p>Hockey schtick site = full of shit site.  Such a dishonest manipulation <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />  and the wingnuts worship these websites as more trustful than actual science.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100221</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wat we are talking the last hundred years not the last 9400.

solar activity has been static or falling for forty years. something your &quot;highest in the twentieth century&quot; hides

There is no mechanism for the energy to be stored over the last forty years to account for the warming since 1970

By the way the site you linked to has cropped the ice extent graphs to remove the record melt in the arctic. Why?
As to your claims of wrong doing the denial echo chamber has made many claims yet has not proven a single one yet.
However you have posted a link to a guy who has been charged and convicted of distorting science :lol:
Why if the record shows manipulated warming do the other climate series say the same thing ?

All records tampered with gee the conspiracy grows daily .
Best is independent and came to the same conclusion. The satellite data is within the error bars of the other series .

just another denialist logic fail]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wat we are talking the last hundred years not the last 9400.</p>
<p>solar activity has been static or falling for forty years. something your &#8220;highest in the twentieth century&#8221; hides</p>
<p>There is no mechanism for the energy to be stored over the last forty years to account for the warming since 1970</p>
<p>By the way the site you linked to has cropped the ice extent graphs to remove the record melt in the arctic. Why?<br />
As to your claims of wrong doing the denial echo chamber has made many claims yet has not proven a single one yet.<br />
However you have posted a link to a guy who has been charged and convicted of distorting science <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Why if the record shows manipulated warming do the other climate series say the same thing ?</p>
<p>All records tampered with gee the conspiracy grows daily .<br />
Best is independent and came to the same conclusion. The satellite data is within the error bars of the other series .</p>
<p>just another denialist logic fail</p>
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		<title>By: Manolo</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100211</link>
		<dc:creator>Manolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For P.G., lover of peaceful Muslims: http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/8842941/i-may-be-killed-if-i-write-this/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For P.G., lover of peaceful Muslims: <a href="http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/8842941/i-may-be-killed-if-i-write-this/" rel="nofollow">http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/8842941/i-may-be-killed-if-i-write-this/</a></p>
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		<title>By: stigie</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100210</link>
		<dc:creator>stigie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What do you think you would do Ms Penny Dim if the council came
in and cut off all your services for not paying rates for 5 years ? 
Cmon Penny,we would love to hear from you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think you would do Ms Penny Dim if the council came<br />
in and cut off all your services for not paying rates for 5 years ?<br />
Cmon Penny,we would love to hear from you.</p>
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		<title>By: UglyTruth</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100206</link>
		<dc:creator>UglyTruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
Nutter alert chem trial conspiracy.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The world&#039;s climate could be hijacked by a rogue country or wealthy individual firing small particles into the stratosphere, claims a warning that comes not from a new Hollywood movie trailer but a sober report from the World Economic Forum (WEF).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jan/08/geoengineering-hijack-world-climate]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Nutter alert chem trial conspiracy.
</p></blockquote>
<p>The world&#8217;s climate could be hijacked by a rogue country or wealthy individual firing small particles into the stratosphere, claims a warning that comes not from a new Hollywood movie trailer but a sober report from the World Economic Forum (WEF).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jan/08/geoengineering-hijack-world-climate" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jan/08/geoengineering-hijack-world-climate</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hodor</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100204</link>
		<dc:creator>Hodor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any chance we could set up a separate thread each day for the global warming debaters to use? Would save the rest of us having to skip over all the boring back and forth bullshit that no one reads.

Disappointed in the swimming clip, I thought there were going to be boobies...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any chance we could set up a separate thread each day for the global warming debaters to use? Would save the rest of us having to skip over all the boring back and forth bullshit that no one reads.</p>
<p>Disappointed in the swimming clip, I thought there were going to be boobies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nookin</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100198</link>
		<dc:creator>Nookin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I do understand that making a stand on principle ....&quot;
If you were standing on a principle you would deny yourself all the benefits that the rates take. I rather suspect that you fully avail yourself of all council services and facilities without contributing a brass razoo. That is not principle. That is bald hypocrisy. If you think that you are entitled to the info, go the the ombudsman or apply for judicial review.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I do understand that making a stand on principle &#8230;.&#8221;<br />
If you were standing on a principle you would deny yourself all the benefits that the rates take. I rather suspect that you fully avail yourself of all council services and facilities without contributing a brass razoo. That is not principle. That is bald hypocrisy. If you think that you are entitled to the info, go the the ombudsman or apply for judicial review.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100192</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nutter alert chem trial conspiracy.


Good Blog post on the problems facing the conservatives in the USA
From a actual real live sane conservative. :wink:
http://nymag.com/news/politics/conservatives-david-frum-2011-11/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nutter alert chem trial conspiracy.</p>
<p>Good Blog post on the problems facing the conservatives in the USA<br />
From a actual real live sane conservative. <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=':wink:' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<a href="http://nymag.com/news/politics/conservatives-david-frum-2011-11/" rel="nofollow">http://nymag.com/news/politics/conservatives-david-frum-2011-11/</a></p>
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		<title>By: wat dabney</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100190</link>
		<dc:creator>wat dabney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah Penny,

Still forcing the workers to support you?

Taking food from out of the mouths of other people&#039;s children so you can spend your own money on yourself?

Taking toys from out of their hands so you can buy yourself those consumer goods you promised yourself?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah Penny,</p>
<p>Still forcing the workers to support you?</p>
<p>Taking food from out of the mouths of other people&#8217;s children so you can spend your own money on yourself?</p>
<p>Taking toys from out of their hands so you can buy yourself those consumer goods you promised yourself?</p>
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		<title>By: wat dabney</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_20_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100188</link>
		<dc:creator>wat dabney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Griff,

It is hilarious when desparate alarmists try to invoke natural climate variation to explain the complete absence of any warming, after having spent the previous 20 years spreading the lie that there is &lt;i&gt;negligible&lt;/i&gt; natural influence.

That was the whole point of the fabricated Hockeystick. The Little ice Age and Medieval Warm Period were &lt;i&gt;erased&lt;/i&gt; from history just to make recent events appear completel unnatural.

And you still defend the fraudulent Hockeystick, don&#039;t you Griff. Yet here you are now effectively denying it. You are extremely confused and extremely ill-informed. 




&quot;&lt;i&gt;Note the enhanced warming at the north poles and the western antarctic .&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

You mean after fraudulently adding a false warming trend to the data?

http://notrickszone.com/2012/03/01/data-tamperin-giss-caught-red-handed-manipulaing-data-to-produce-arctic-climate-history-revision/


It is a matter of record that this false warming trend has been added, since the old and new data sets are available for comparison. You can download them for yourself and check.

&quot;According to GHCN, these adjustments, on a global scale, are insignificant. However, all the stations are inside or close to the Arctic Circle, and as there are no other stations between them and the North Pole they are used to estimate temperatures across a large swathe of the Arctic, from Nuuk in Greenland, 51o West, to Dudinka 86o East, a sweep of 137 degrees. More than a third of the Arctic is potentially affected by these adjustments.&quot;

http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/iceland-adjustments-spread-to-norway-and-russia/

So that enhanced Arctic warming you think you see on the map you link to is entirely the result of data manipulation to the handful of stations&#039; data, which they then use to represent the entire area. It is fraud.

As for the Antarctic, it is a matter of record that the vast majority of it has experienced flat or cooling temperatures. 
Remember when you posted links to scientific papers you claimed refuted this point, but you hadn&#039;t actually read any of them and they in fact provided evidence which supported my claim? You cited them, yet when you found out they contradicted your orthodoxy you dismiss them. What does that tell us about you, Griff? About your integrity and honest? About the sort of person you are?


So what have we learned:

- Sixteen years of flat temperatures, in direct contradiction of what the AGW alarmists promised.

- No enhanced warming at the poles or in the troposphere, proving that recent changes are entirely natural.



&quot;&lt;i&gt;If you think it is natural you will have to come up with some mechanism for the warming . solar activity has been static or declining for 40years invisible sky pixies will not cut it .&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Er, Griff?

&#039;Paper finds solar activity at end of 20th century was highest in 9,400 years&#039;

&quot;A recent paper published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences examines ice core and tree ring radionuclides and finds solar activity at the end of the 20th century was at the highest levels of the record spanning the past 9,400 years. The paper adds to several others demonstrating that an increase in solar activity and concomitant decrease in cloudiness during the latter 20th century are more than sufficient to explain observed global warming.&quot;


http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.co.nz/2012/11/paper-finds-solar-activity-at-end-of.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griff,</p>
<p>It is hilarious when desparate alarmists try to invoke natural climate variation to explain the complete absence of any warming, after having spent the previous 20 years spreading the lie that there is <i>negligible</i> natural influence.</p>
<p>That was the whole point of the fabricated Hockeystick. The Little ice Age and Medieval Warm Period were <i>erased</i> from history just to make recent events appear completel unnatural.</p>
<p>And you still defend the fraudulent Hockeystick, don&#8217;t you Griff. Yet here you are now effectively denying it. You are extremely confused and extremely ill-informed. </p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Note the enhanced warming at the north poles and the western antarctic .</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>You mean after fraudulently adding a false warming trend to the data?</p>
<p><a href="http://notrickszone.com/2012/03/01/data-tamperin-giss-caught-red-handed-manipulaing-data-to-produce-arctic-climate-history-revision/" rel="nofollow">http://notrickszone.com/2012/03/01/data-tamperin-giss-caught-red-handed-manipulaing-data-to-produce-arctic-climate-history-revision/</a></p>
<p>It is a matter of record that this false warming trend has been added, since the old and new data sets are available for comparison. You can download them for yourself and check.</p>
<p>&#8220;According to GHCN, these adjustments, on a global scale, are insignificant. However, all the stations are inside or close to the Arctic Circle, and as there are no other stations between them and the North Pole they are used to estimate temperatures across a large swathe of the Arctic, from Nuuk in Greenland, 51o West, to Dudinka 86o East, a sweep of 137 degrees. More than a third of the Arctic is potentially affected by these adjustments.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/iceland-adjustments-spread-to-norway-and-russia/" rel="nofollow">http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/iceland-adjustments-spread-to-norway-and-russia/</a></p>
<p>So that enhanced Arctic warming you think you see on the map you link to is entirely the result of data manipulation to the handful of stations&#8217; data, which they then use to represent the entire area. It is fraud.</p>
<p>As for the Antarctic, it is a matter of record that the vast majority of it has experienced flat or cooling temperatures.<br />
Remember when you posted links to scientific papers you claimed refuted this point, but you hadn&#8217;t actually read any of them and they in fact provided evidence which supported my claim? You cited them, yet when you found out they contradicted your orthodoxy you dismiss them. What does that tell us about you, Griff? About your integrity and honest? About the sort of person you are?</p>
<p>So what have we learned:</p>
<p>- Sixteen years of flat temperatures, in direct contradiction of what the AGW alarmists promised.</p>
<p>- No enhanced warming at the poles or in the troposphere, proving that recent changes are entirely natural.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>If you think it is natural you will have to come up with some mechanism for the warming . solar activity has been static or declining for 40years invisible sky pixies will not cut it .</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Er, Griff?</p>
<p>&#8216;Paper finds solar activity at end of 20th century was highest in 9,400 years&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;A recent paper published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences examines ice core and tree ring radionuclides and finds solar activity at the end of the 20th century was at the highest levels of the record spanning the past 9,400 years. The paper adds to several others demonstrating that an increase in solar activity and concomitant decrease in cloudiness during the latter 20th century are more than sufficient to explain observed global warming.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.co.nz/2012/11/paper-finds-solar-activity-at-end-of.html" rel="nofollow">http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.co.nz/2012/11/paper-finds-solar-activity-at-end-of.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: UglyTruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>UglyTruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
If you think it is natural you will have to come up with some mechanism for the warming . solar activity has been static or declining for 40years invisible sky pixies will not cut it .
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;It can be seen from this model that the results of artificial aerosol introduction into the lower atmosphere can be of a magnitude quite on par with the extraordinary impacts projected by even modest and conservative global warming models upon humans in the near future.   As the model presented herein is intended to be reasonably conservative, the impact of the aerosol operations could be much greater than these results show.  It is advised that the citizens consider the viability and merit of this model in the examination of the global warming issue, and that they openly take aggressive action to halt the intentional aerosol operations.&quot;

Clifford Carnicom.]]></description>
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If you think it is natural you will have to come up with some mechanism for the warming . solar activity has been static or declining for 40years invisible sky pixies will not cut it .
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<p>&#8220;It can be seen from this model that the results of artificial aerosol introduction into the lower atmosphere can be of a magnitude quite on par with the extraordinary impacts projected by even modest and conservative global warming models upon humans in the near future.   As the model presented herein is intended to be reasonably conservative, the impact of the aerosol operations could be much greater than these results show.  It is advised that the citizens consider the viability and merit of this model in the examination of the global warming issue, and that they openly take aggressive action to halt the intentional aerosol operations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Clifford Carnicom.</p>
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