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Something similar could be asked of David Shearer and Labour MPs, who have a history of being derogatory towards gays.
Unless this is addressed by Shearer it will remain Labour’s problem with homophobia.
- with Shearer added to the list of culprits along with O’Connor, Mallard, Cosgrove and Tamihere.
You can’t import them, so…. they’re legal to use but if you can’t import them you can’t get them in the country to legally use them? So there’s no point legally being able to use them then.
Oh, too much irony for this early in the morning. A bog standard author bemoaning ‘hate speech’. That bastion of free speech, of reasoned yet passionate debate, the sub standard. LMFAO. Clean your own house up first.
Auckland Tramways Union president Gary Froggatt said introducing double-deckers to inner city streets would be “an absolute disaster” and some drivers had problems with single-deckers.
Look at this utter crap. Double deckers are iconic in London. I’ve driven an old one in Wellington. And the drivers that struggle with single deckers? Yeah.. I had my problems with them too… and guess what? Not driving them now!! If you can’t drive the bus…. then get another damn job!! How idiotic.
Growing fruit and vegetables doesn’t produce as much greenhouse gas as raising cattle or livestock, the study confirms, but people who eat a primarily plant-based diet make up for that by eating more of those foods.
“When you eat healthy, you have to eat a lot of food that has a low content of energy. You have to eat a lot of fruits and vegetables,”
Facts and figures… truth and fiction… false perceptions…
I’ve read just a little bit about carbon counting…
Interesting to think about someone that cycles to work. To balance their daily calories they need to consume more of them.
eg car user 8 700kj daily calorie intake
cyclist 8 700kj less 4 000kj cycling. Whoa… eat 4 000kj extra to balance.
And the carbon cost of the extra 4 000kj they consume is? Starts to even out with the carbon cost of the fossil fuel powered vehicle. Especially a car with five people in it (rare to see that I know).
Who is the extremist?
A guy whose life is in danger because he warns of the dangers of importing the followers of a barabaric religion whose followers seek domination.
Or is it the followers of those religion who seek to kill those who warn of the dangers of their religious-based ideology?
With so many doing their best to shut down Geert Wilders it does make you wonder what shocking secrets he is trying to reveal.
So in the interests of free speech and debate- a debate lefties and dhimmis seek to suppress- here is his melbourne speech. http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/02/geert-wilders-in-melbourne/
Pity he isn’t coming to New Zealand. http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/02/geert-wilders-in-melbourne/
Krazy Kiwi – when I arise in the morning I visit quite a few places online. It’s how I get an idea of what is being talked about across a range of views, I prefer to see outside one bubble.
The Standard is no ‘dirtier’ than it is here. It is by far the biggest leftish blog in New Zealand so is an important part of the blogosphere and political commentariat. There’s a lot of noise for sure (like here) but there are also some very insightful and useful comments and posts. In fact picking up on one such comment earlier this week may have a significant impact on the Labour Party and Shearer’s leadership.
I’d much rather read a variety of views around various social media forums than keep banging on about Bain and climate change.
Note from the previous post that DPF has also visited The Standard. Why don’t you try and diss him for that?
If Geert wilders had come to NZ, which venues would have been available to him?
On another topic, good ideas from Judge David Carruthers for the Police Complaints org..A giant mess in In’gill with tech poor cops giving extensive info to a drug investigation defendants lawyer containing names and details re informants and under cover cops. But still a bozo came out and said their processes are ”robust”..I doubt those impacted would agree. Also , this will likely deter others from ”informing ”in future and deter cops from deciding to go under cover.
Welcome to our brave new world of gender neutral parenting
We were both born to lesbians, she to a couple, and me to a single woman. She had sought out her biological father as soon as she turned 18, as the sperm bank her parents used allowed contact once the children were 18 if both parties consented. I never was interested in learning about that for myself, but she felt we were cheating our future children by not learning everything we could about my past, too. Well, our anniversary is coming up and I decided to go ahead and, as a present to my wife, see if my biological father was interested in contact as well. He was, and even though our parents had used different sperm banks, it appears so did our father, as he is the same person.
To keep KK happy I’ll quote from a speech in parliament yesterday:
Last Friday the United Nations Security Council held an informal meeting on climate change. It is a significant event.
Slowly but surely the Security Council is moving towards adopting climate change as a security issue for its agenda. It first considered climate change in 2007, but China vetoed any statement back then. Germany reintroduced it in 2011.
The council declared then that climate change was a risk multiplier and a potential threat to international peace and security. The meeting last week was only an informal one, again at the insistence of China and Russia, but it is clear that climate change is being upgraded from a matter for the United Nations Environment Programme to research and the framework negotiations to mismanage to one of political and strategic concern for the security council.
The only real question is whether the council, with delegated authority from member States, can act formally in time to revert what the World Bank calls “catastrophic change for humankind”.
And…
Let this House ask the Prime Minister a few questions arising from the Security Council debate. Does he agree with the British climate change envoy that “the impacts of a changing climate pose a significant and emerging threat to a country’s national security and prosperity,”?
Is he concerned by the advice from the German envoy that “rises in global temperature were likely to have catastrophic consequences … [and] humankind would venture into an uncertain future that is much hotter than every before in its history—so from a scientist’s perspective, climate change is a global risk multiplier.”?
Does he agree with Oxfam’s plea to the Security Council to deal with climate change because “the global food system was already under severe stress as a result of droughts across the US, Africa and Asia.”? …
Will he listen to the Marshall Islands Ambassador, who said: “Global warming threatens our very existence. Our roads are inundated every 14 days. We have to ration water three times a week. People have emergency kits for water. We can no longer use well water because it’s inundated with salt.”
final absolute, undeniable proof of global warming.
Next some someone argues with your obsesssive belief you will
be able to post this as your trump card,
game, set and match to Griff.
Andrei (1,820) Says:
February 21st, 2013 at 9:47 am
Welcome to our brave new world of gender neutral parenting…
What does the letter have to do with gender neutral parenting? Do you know what that means? I presume not. The letter is about assisted reproduction not gender neutral parenting. It’s questionable whether the letter is real given the low probability of occurance though it’s well written if it were fake.
In any case the probability of this occuring in general is very low and as I understand sperm banks have already taken measures to minimize it further.
The Obama administration is planning a decade-long scientific effort to examine the workings of the human brain and build a comprehensive map of its activity, seeking to do for the brain what the Human Genome Project did for genetics.
The project, which the administration has been looking to unveil as early as March, will include federal agencies, private foundations and teams of neuroscientists and nanoscientists in a concerted effort to advance the knowledge of the brain’s billions of neurons and gain greater insights into perception, actions and, ultimately, consciousness.
…
In his State of the Union address, President Obama cited brain research as an example of how the government should “invest in the best ideas.”
“Every dollar we invested to map the human genome returned $140 to our economy — every dollar,” he said. “Today our scientists are mapping the human brain to unlock the answers to Alzheimer’s. They’re developing drugs to regenerate damaged organs, devising new materials to make batteries 10 times more powerful. Now is not the time to gut these job-creating investments in science and innovation.”
Excellent idea. This is the sort of basic science government should be involved in. Scanning technologies are improving exponentially and supercomputers are attaining (or rapidly approaching) the raw processing power to simulate the human brain and with these emerging technologies this is the perfect time to bring a coordinated effort to understand how the human brain works.
Hmmm! Twenty idle-nothing-better-to-do blogsters ahead of me this morning. (Turn that thing off and get on with your work, there!!)
Serioiusly, once there are twenty or so comments on here, the pathetic attention span of your average blog-surfer is such that any one who posts after an hour or so is destined to be ignored, not read, skipped over or otherwise disregarded.
However, that aside there are two issues that i think warrant some comment this fine morning!
Firstly, how much longer are we going to have to put up with the shenanigans going on in the Southern Ocean?. I have no brief for the Japanese – repeat, I have no brief for the Japanese – but I have even less time for the musical comedy antics of the self styled guardians of the whales. Ludicrously pathetic though they are, they turn me right off.
If i get this right these – (what shall iI call them?) – bandits of the ocean wave (?) in the shape of Sea Shepherd and all who sail in her really need to pull in their swollen, self important heads and let the little yellow blokes get on with the business. It will – of course – end in tears. Any berk can see that coming. And when it does we should ask ourselves the question: If you play with fire how is it that you shouldn’t expect to get burned? Or sunk, as will probably be the case.
OK. Second, and different, rant. Why are the media in the form of the ol’ Auckland morning paper, (whatever its called) being so sniffy and poo-poo-ey about the planned construction of high rise apartment buildings in Akl? What’s wrong with them? I’ve lived on quarter acre sections, and high rises here, in Europe, in Asia and UK. And I can tell you I’d take a high rise over a lawn-girt stand-alone any day.
Its a great lifestyle, i can tell you with one very, very important proviso. And that is: NO CHILDREN!! High rises and children under the age of sixteen do not go well together because many adolescent and pre-adolescent children are, by definition, noisy, and still not entirely socialised. And in a high rise you have to consider your neighbours – the people you see in the lift each morning.
In our 200 square medium standard apartment with two basement car spaces we are insulated from most of the irritations that go with living in a row of houses in a street. Also, being smack bang right in the City centre we can choose any of a dozen restaurants without worrying about drinking and driving, not to mention the convenience of having other services and facilities literally almost on the doorstep. Hardly any need to get the car out.
So. To recap. Don’t tell me Sea Shepherd and Co are hard done by or ‘brave, champions of the innocent whale’. They’re not!
And don’t tell me that the provision of more high rise apartments in any city, especially Akl, is going to reduce us to slummy third world status. Anyone who thinks that has obviously never experienced the convenience, economy and all round live-ability of apartment living.
LOL Liberalism is indeed a mental defect, something is lacking in the brains of liberals that makes what is blindingly obvious to normal people impossible for them to grasp.
I doubt that there is a cure – perhaps a shock treatment via a dose of reality by making them live in another culture where English isn’t spoken and life is hard might do it, who knows?
LOL Liberalism is indeed a mental defect, something is lacking in the brains of liberals that makes what is blindingly obvious to normal people impossible for them to grasp.
I doubt that there is a cure – perhaps a shock treatment via a dose of reality by making them live in another culture where English isn’t spoken and life is hard might do it, who knows?
Yeah yeah. What was your actual point? Sperm donation is bad?
David Carter is struggling as new Speaker. It’s a daunting task countrolling a house of harangers and Carter is finding the initial going tough.
Carter looks easily flustered. Time will tell whether he grows into the job or keeps blustering his way through it. In the meantime we can expect a lot of frustration from the opposition.
National MPs would help the Speaker – and Parliament – if they supported Carter and didn’t abuse their speaking rights and obligations in the House.
If Parliament descends into more chaos than usual John Key will have to take some of the responsibility.
Akaroa, I think the issues raised about apartment buildings – certainly in the link that Left Right and Centre provided – is more to do with the size and quality. Does anybody really want to live in a shoddily-built, squashed cramped little “shoebox”?
Although, having said that, I did hear something on the radio this morning about an apartment building in Milford (Auckland North Shore) being rejected basically due to the NIMBY syndrome if I recall correctly. I can understand that – if you’ve ever been to Orewa, you cannot miss the Nautilus, a 12-level monstrosity sticking out like a sore thumb.
But I agree with you that there is absolutely nothing wrong with apartment living, as long as it is done properly, planned well, and the apartments are built well. It’s not for me personally, but that’s just due to my lifestyle, the fact that I have children, and so on. Looking at it from another perspective, I have no idea where all the people piling into Auckland over the next 30 years are going to live if we don’t start building more apartments. Daily commute from Pokeno, anyone?
This is a reflection on the position of the right on global warming. Facts are bad,Oil industry spin is good. no matter how pathetic and blatant the manipulation
You will all screech like fucked pigs when the greens are voted into power yet you think like this about environmental issues
RightNow (4,940) Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 9:48 am
Arctic sea ice makes record gains.
Warmists pray for super El Nino and solar hyperactivity.
Turd sticks to bowl.
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Griff (4,322) Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 9:57 am
RightNow
Record gains in winter from record lows in summer still does not put the ice extent to the average for 1980 to 2000
In fact it has not even hit the average level for this century. spin spin spin eh wrong often.
In short you are trying to claim that the ice is recouping long term due to it freezing as we go into winter
Next summer the fresh ice will melt
unless there is a significant buildup in multi year ice the seasonal recovery does nothing to disprove the warming of the arctic region. Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 11
When the greens are voted in I suggest that those greedy fucks who refuse to acknowledge the problem of global warming review their beliefs. The costs the greens will add to the economy on social issues will be due to your own personal stupidity over allowing the left to own the AGW debate.
Ps For those that blame me for fulling general debate with climate change
I only react to prior denial posts. The ratio of denial to rational on climate change runs about four to one to the denial nutjobs. The reason you are blaming me for it festering on GD is the message I have scares you. It is far easier for you to believe its not a problem than deal with the consequences of it happening.
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wreck1080 – good on him, the Duke of Edinburgh rocks. Given that he’s a fountain of political incorrectness – and unapologetic to boot – many people either find him a refreshing breath of fresh air, or rude and offensive.
But at least he says what he thinks, and PC be damned.
There’s a story of the Queen and the Duke driving together – him driving very, very fast, and her repeatedly telling him to slow down. Supposedly he finally said “If you speak again, woman, I shall put you out of the car.” And she didn’t speak again. Upon being told this, a friend of the Queen said in horror, “Why do you let him speak to you like that?” And the Queen replied, “Well, you heard what he said – he’d put me out of the car.”
krazykiwi: I know that as I write this I will sound like Pedantic Pete, for which I apologise, but …
Do you REALLY think he’s a moron as such? Rude, offensive, inconsiderate, sexist, prejudiced – I could understand if you called him any of those, but a moron? Why?
Yes, some of those quotes are … well … but I love this one: “If you see a man opening a car door for a woman, it means one of two things: it’s either a new woman or a new car!”
Andrei (1,822) Says:
February 21st, 2013 at 10:44 am
What’s your point there, Andrei?
LOL Liberalism is indeed a mental defect, something is lacking in the brains of liberals that makes what is blindingly obvious to normal people impossible for them to grasp.
I doubt that there is a cure – perhaps a shock treatment via a dose of reality by making them live in another culture where English isn’t spoken and life is hard might do it, who knows?
*yawn*
Andrei talking about a “lack of brains”, “normal people” and “reality”. I guess the irony is totally lost on him, yet again.
Still hasn’t been able to explain his point.
Probably something to do with lesbians and you know, lesbians are evil
I don’t believe Prince Philip is a moron. Not at all.
An old guy who open his mouth and speaks his mind without considering the consequences, yes; a moron, no.
And here is why NZ should impose the 2% rule on Muslim Immigration:
Take it away Geert Wilders………
“In each one of our cities, there is a second city, a state within the state, a government within the government. A Muslim city, a city ruled by the Koran.” — end of quote.
“There is reason for concern if the erosion of our freedom of speech is the price we must pay to accommodate Islam. There is something badly wrong if those who deny that Islam is a problem do not grant us the right to talk about the issue.
Public discussion should not be stifled by threats; On the contrary, public discussion should be promoted. And everyone should be allowed to freely express his opinions.
If we remain silent, we are certain to go from defeat to defeat; But if we speak the truth, we will be able to turn the tide and it will be our first victory of many.
The future freedom of Australia, the liberties of your children — they depend on you.
The ANZAC spirit helped keep Europe free in the past; the ANZAC spirit will keep you free in the future. Be as brave as your fathers, and you will survive.
There is hope because we are not alone. We still speak for the majority. While the elite has largely fallen for cultural relativism, the people have not.
In my country, the Netherlands, 56 percent of the population see Islam as the biggest threat to our national identity.
In Britain, a survey last month showed that the public regard immigration as the biggest issue facing British society.
In Germany, 64 percent hold that Islam is violent and 70 percent that it is fanatical.
In France, 74 percent are convinced that Islam is intolerant and not compatible with French society.
These people are not wrongheaded, they are not extremists; they stand for decency, common sense and liberty. We must speak on their behalf. We must encourage them. We must tell them not to give up and not to lose heart.
My friends, always remember that our voice is the voice of liberty; it is the voice of liberation.
Let us defend our own freedoms. And let us support Muslims — and especially the suppressed Muslim women — who want to free themselves from the yoke of Islam.
Now we will hear from that ‘voice of reason’ Pete George……take it away Pete
The worst impacts of the AGW scare are already entrenched as illustrated by Griff’s posting the other day of a fictional study regarding power generation in Australia. The study (based on models) said wind and solar would be cheaper generation methods than coal and gas, and based that on wind generation falling to $80/MWH compared to new coal generation rising to $140/MWH.
The fact that current coal generation prices are about $40/MWH should be evidence to all of the real dangers of the AGW industry.
Prices for power will be (already are being) artificially inflated to make renewables look cost effective in comparison.
How will this affect the poor and the frail? Most us will know some elderly people who live on bugger all. They already sit in their freezing cold bedsit in winter with a blanket draped over them and a single bar heater (or a similar scenario).
Griff says “The costs the greens will add to the economy on social issues …” – the costs are already being added, look at the EU budget of $300 million for ‘climate action’ until 2020. For what?
The costs of action to curb CO2 emissions that would perhaps stall 0.1 deg C rise are magnitudes more than the costs of targeted mitigation such as levee building. The benefits of a moderate rise in temp (e.g. higher crop yields, greater areas of arable land) are played down. Meanwhile big oil have already got their fingers in the pie, as do big insurance and big green.
Harriet – to be reasonable I’d need to see what sort of surveys you are referring to. Otherwise your comment could sound like just another bit of bashing of a different religion without solid substantion of claims made.
And if accurate what would it prove? Or achieve?
You might get a majority in a survey done here opposing Maorism and Asianism , but that wouldn’t justify limiting them to 2% of the population.
kk, certainly I concede some of his statements are a bit over the top. Saying to a blind women with a guide dog “Do you know they have eating dogs for the anorexic now?” probably didn’t upset her, but I’ll bet there was a swag of complaints from eating-disorder centres – probably fair enough, too, to be honest. And I’d hiccup a bit over the “slitty eyes” comment too.
That you continue to persist with outright lies, fabrication and a defense of the crumbling walls of the climate scam is quite astounding.
U.S. National Climate Assessment, released on Friday, said observable change to the climate in the past half-century “is due primarily to human activities, predominantly the burning of fossil fuel,” and that no areas of the United States were immune to change.
“Corn producers in Iowa, oyster growers in Washington State, and maple syrup producers in Vermont have observed changes in their local climate that are outside of their experience,” the report said.
Months after Superstorm Sandy hurtled into the U.S. East Coast, causing billions of dollars in damage, the report concluded that severe weather was the new normal.
“Certain types of weather events have become more frequent and/or intense, including heat waves, heavy downpours, and, in some regions, floods and droughts,” the report said, days after scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration declared 2012 the hottest year ever in the United States.
LOL Liberalism is indeed a mental defect, something is lacking in the brains of liberals that makes what is blindingly obvious to normal people impossible for them to grasp.
Heh. That’s the thing. In general Liberals know that virtually nothing is blindingly obvious – whereas Conservatives seem more comfortable with certainty. Still, we are all constrained by our individual ability to perceive.
graham (1,655) Says:
February 21st, 2013 at 11:06 am
Akaroa, I think the issues raised about apartment buildings – certainly in the link that Left Right and Centre provided – is more to do with the size and quality. Does anybody really want to live in a shoddily-built, squashed cramped little “shoebox”?
Surely Graham, if no one wants to live in a “shoebox” apartment they won’t do so, the building owner will go broke, the disused building will rot and fall down and someone will build a more desirable building on the site.
Or is the problem that someone might want to live in the small apartments and bloody do-gooders have found yet another cause for their nose-poking?
Right now.
The cost quoted by Bloombergs was for new generation.
Q Why do you fuss on the cost of existing generation when that has nothing to do with the costs of building new plant?
A Because you did not actually understand what I posted just read green energy is cheaper. then trotted of to the usual sources of misinformation for a little conformation bias.
Peter George – have a look at sites like “Islam versus Europe” “Gates of Vienna” and USA blogs that detail how aggressive and demanding Islam has become in the West. The fact that polygamy is now legal for muslims in UK and sharia courts proliferate in the muslim areas shouild give you an idea of how Islam has encroached on once Christian countries.And are you aware of the “Istanbul Process” which wants the UN to introduce a law criminalising any denigration of religion. Which is the only ideology that does not like the real truth of their religious tenets and laws exposed before the world and which has already killed many who dare to question it?
Or on the other hand you could read the Qur’an, ahadith and Sira, have a look at what Sharia law actually entails and see for yourself what a retrograde ideology this is and how they have a mandate from their prophet to conquer the world as there will be no peace until the earth is ruled by Gods laws only and our manmade legal system is over ruled.
In the USA Kentucky has actually had to pass an anti Sharia law to ensure that it is not used in conjunction with ordinary law as the muslims there want. The higher the muslim population, the more demands they make and the USA, like Europe, is frightened of what will happen if they do not bow to these demands.
Lord Ahmad in UK threatened to unleash 10,000 muslim rioters on Parliament if Geert Wilders was allowed in to UK to speak. Now we are seeing ‘muslim patrols’ questioning those whom they think are gay, have skirts that are too short, are carrying beer etc. in areas where there is a high Islamic demographic. Give them an inch etc. etc.
MT_Tinman: If the price is right they will live there. If it’s the only accommodation and they have little choice, they will live there. Doesn’t mean that we should encourage it, and especially not our town planners. Why plan to build a ready-made slum from new?
Question: are you tolerant of homosexuals or gay marriage? Then really, you don’t agree with either, as we only tolerate things we don’t agree with, as one author points out –
The concept of tolerance is reserved for behavior or ideas one thinks are either incorrect or immoral. Do you tolerate homosexuality? If so, then you must think homosexuality is morally questionable. If you think it’s morally benign, then you don’t tolerate it. You agree with it. We don’t “tolerate” people who share our views. They’re on our side.
“Ms Stephens, who roared up to the meeting in her Makara Cattery-emblazoned car, said possums were a far worse problem than cats, and Dr Morgan should focus on bigger issues.
“I don’t get this guy, doesn’t he have anything better to do? Why doesn’t he go save the whales? We all like birds but these cats – I’ve been in the business nine years and they’re like little people in fur coats . . . they feel like people, they die like people. This guy is crazy.” ”
Griff (4,325) Says:
February 21st, 2013 at 11:07 am
You will all screech like fucked pigs…those greedy fucks…denial nutjobs
The ratio of denial to rational on climate change runs about four to one to the denial nutjobs.
Over looking Griffs charming turns of phrase, he often claims that the majority of people support his increasingly marginalised following. Yet here he is claiming 75% of people are “screeching like fucked pigs… greedy fucks…denial nutjobs”
But what about the rest of the world ? Are they “”screeching like fucked pigs… greedy fucks…denial nutjobs”
only a few countries have signed on to extending Kyoto I, which FOCUS calls a “minimal compromise”. Only 37 of 194 countries signed on. That means the treaty is internationally non-binding.
Question: are you tolerant of homosexuals or gay marriage? Then really, you don’t agree with either, as we only tolerate things we don’t agree with, as one author points out –
People act in ways of which you disapprove, Fletch. Welcome to adulthood. You eat meat? I disapprove. I tolerate you. Somehow I manage.
Ezette# “…..Probably something to do with lesbians and you know, lesbians are evil…”
Lesbians, mostly, are angry.
Ali Mua since she ‘came out’, has become more and more angry by the month – and it ain’t her period. [Maybe it is as there are now 2 periods in her house. ]
I believe the reason most lesbians get angry, firstly at everyone else, then eventually at each other, is due to their need of ‘strapon sex’. A strapon is a true replica of a penis.
As people know, lesbians don’t have a penis, but lesbians -true lesbians- shouldn’t need a replacement for a penis because they are lesbians: They like women – penisless people.
To be ‘fulfilled’ by a lesbian partner with a ‘strapon’ eventually dawns the realisation that it is insulting to the other lesbian: She is not really wanted at that moment of ‘need’. A penis is. That evil ‘man thing’.
“Genesis 8:22 that I use [in The Greatest Hoax] is that as long as the Earth remains there will be springtime, harvest, cold and heat, winter and summer, day and night. My point is, God’s still up there, and the arrogance of people who think that we, human beings, would be able to change what he is doing in the climate is to me outrageous.”
Senator James M. Inhofe .R.
Griff (4,327) Says:
February 21st, 2013 at 11:07 am
Griff is starting to sound more like (a late evening) bereal every day. He is having abusive melt downs fueled by intoxicants and has even started telling us all off, in expletive laden outbursts, for “thumbing him down”.
So much for his (self described) scientific logical super brain.
Right now.
The cost quoted by Bloombergs was for new generation.
Q Why do you fuss on the cost of existing generation when that has nothing to do with the costs of building new plant?
Because it highlights the rort – there is existing cheap energy, $40/MWH. The AGW industry wants to make it more than triple in cost to $140/MWH
A Because you did not actually understand what I posted just read green energy is cheaper. then trotted of to the usual sources of misinformation for a little conformation bias.
Turd, you have the comprehension problem. I read and understood perfectly. Green energy is not currently cheaper – get that through your turd brain. It will only be cheaper by artificially increasing the cost of coal and gas generation. As for ‘the usual sources of misinformation’
I referred to a report by the Australian Productivity Commission: http://www.pc.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/109921/13-carbon-prices-appendixd.pdf
You on the other hand published a study by Bloomberg New Energy Finance, who are profiting significantly from the AGW industry. In 8 years they’ve grown from a few staff in one office to over 200 staff around the world. What possible motivation could they have for publishing anything that doesn’t promote AGW alarm and the renewables industry?
As Kea asked, and you avoided answering (like a climate scientologist dodging an FOI request) – how would they make money if AGW wasn’t seen to be a problem?
Harriet at 11.45 am listed some survey results including:
“In Britain, a survey last month showed that the public regard immigration as the biggest issue facing British society.”
No indication yet who did the survey, what the questions were and how it was run.
A survey has just been published about what warries New Zealanders about the world, with very different reults:
New Zealanders are three times as likely to think the world is getting worse than that it’s getting better, a new survey has found.
The online survey of 1000 New Zealanders by Australian firm Lonergan Research has found that 50 per cent of New Zealanders think the world is a worse place today than when they were younger, and only 17 per cent think it’s better.
That matches what some say here.
People who thought the world was a worse place today were asked whether they thought this was because of more automation, less human interaction, people becoming more self-centred and greedy, moral decline, more corruption, people becoming lazier, the economy getting worse, more natural disasters or something else.
The most popular answers were that:
- people were becoming more self-centred and greedy 80%
- moral decline 69%
- the economy getting worse (64%
- less human interaction 60%
Half (49%) still felt part of “a close-knit community” and only 46% don’t know most of their neighbours, implying that more than half do.
New Zealanders’ biggest fears for the next 80 years were environmental:
- 84% were concerned that the variety of wildlife might disappear
- 77% cent were concerned that enjoying the great outdoors might disappear.
RightNow (4,942) Says:
February 21st, 2013 at 1:48 pm
Turd, you have the comprehension problem. I read and understood perfectly. Green energy is not currently cheaper – get that through your turd brain. It will only be cheaper by artificially increasing the cost of coal and gas generation.
Solar will get cheaper because of improvements in efficiency and decreases in cost. This has been happening for 30 years and it has been happening at an exponential rate. Solar power is on an exponential growth curve and like many examples of exponential growth before it people will underestimate its influence until it is ubiquitous and taken for granted, just as the internet is today.
“As people know, lesbians don’t have a penis, but lesbians -true lesbians- shouldn’t need a replacement for a penis because they are lesbians: They like women – penisless people.
To be ‘fulfilled’ by a lesbian partner with a ‘strapon’ eventually dawns the realisation that it is insulting to the other lesbian: She is not really wanted at that moment of ‘need’. A penis is. That evil ‘man thing’”
insulting?
maybe one chick finds it hot to strap on a big black cock and pound the hell out of her gf?
Dime has watched enough lesbian porn to know strap ons are hot
The price of new wind generation per kwh is cheaper than coal
Absolute rubbish. Even with the AGW inspired punitive taxes placed on coal and the massive taxper subsidies for wind, there is no comparison. Many of the taxes are hidden, as the alarmists know full well. that another wind mill would never be built if the public knew the true cost of the electricity.
As I have previously posted, enormous oil reserves have been located all over the world recently, along with gas. There is no shortage and we have not even started on the resourses in the Antartic yet.
No 4G spectrum for Maori, says Govt
The Government says it will not set aside any spectrum for Maori when it auctions it off later this year.
Some Maori had made claims to the spectrum and one source this afternoon said the Government’s decision could leave it open to High Court action or claims to the Waitangi Tribunal.
” The Government recognises the importance of Maori having opportunities to participate in the ICT sector, however, in keeping with the view of successive governments that spectrum is not a taonga, in our view it does not follow that Maori require further spectrum to be set aside in order to meet our shared objectives of the protection of language and culture,” Adams said today.
I have failed to answer your question because you are playing chicken and egg.
Your logic is because we spend money on researching a problem the scientist are corrupted.
This ignores the fact that the green house effect was documented a while ago in 1890 or so. Science has continued to build on this early work.
Scientific theory postulated the rising green house effect of co2 before we started looking at the evidence.
Surprisingly enough the evidence contained in both the temperature record and in the world around us points to this being true.
Early projections are still accurate in what is a new and evolving science.
Climate science does not only involve climate scientist it involves all the hard sciences. are they all corrupt the 30,000 plus scientists?
You propose that spending money to explore this very real risk is wasted. To me that smacks strongly of ostrich behavior.
That or major Luddite anti science thoughts.
Lets debate your conspiracy.
All the agency’s and governments and industry’s involved. how are they sucked in? are guys like James Taylor from heartland or A Watts smarter than all the people in these organizations or are they all corrupted by money?
Carried out by the thinktank British Future, entitled “State of the Nation: Where is Bittersweet Britain Heading?”. British Future describe themselves as “an independent, non-partisan thinktank seeking to involve people in an open conversation, which addresses people’s hopes and fears about identity and integration, migration and opportunity, so that we feel confident about Britain’s future.” They are a not-for-profit organisation, and their sources of funding are listed on the website if you’re interested.
General reactions to immigration can be examined by using public opinion data, but such responses may be based in part upon confusion about categories of migrants both among the public and in the questions they are asked.
Approximately ¾ of British people favour reducing immigration, on most recent surveys and polls.
Large majorities in Britain have been opposed to immigration since at least the 1960s.
Immigration is currently highly salient: over the past 15 years it has become one of the most commonly chosen “most important issues”.
Close to 70% in a 2001 poll supported more migration among those with needed skills, and those with financial support for themselves or from family members, but more data are needed on this topic.
Immigration is generally unpopular.
Despite uncertainties involved in measuring and interpreting public opinion, the evidence clearly shows high levels of opposition to immigration in the UK. In recent surveys, majorities of respondents think that there are too many migrants in the UK, that fewer migrants should be let in to the country, and that legal restrictions on immigration should be tighter.
All the agency’s and governments and industry’s involved. how are they sucked in?
They are not sucked in Griff. You are.
“only a few countries have signed on to extending Kyoto I, which FOCUS calls a “minimal compromise”. Only 37 of 194 countries signed on. That means the treaty is internationally non-binding.”
Despite uncertainties involved in measuring and interpreting public opinion, the evidence clearly shows high levels of opposition to immigration in the UK. In recent surveys, majorities of respondents think that there are too many migrants in the UK, that fewer migrants should be let in to the country, and that legal restrictions on immigration should be tighter.
I don’t know if there would be high levels of opposition to immigrants here (quite possibly) but there would be significant numbers who have similar concerns here.
But I’d be surprised if it was a common “most important issue’ here, it didn’t figure at all in the New Zealand survey.
It’s funny, because (albeit in quite different historical situations) both Britain and New Zealand consist mostly of immigrants.
Is it common that once imigrants are in they don’t want any other bugger to have the same opportunity?
This would appear to be a major step in the right direction since the Prostitution Reform Bill which was brought in
by Labours gay MP from Christchurch, whose name escapes me for the moment, the bloke who has since thankfully
buggered off back to the UK.
Legalising street prostitition was a step that ranked as almost as stupid as Phil Goffs effort to legalise sex
between adults and 12 year olds.
If we didn’t have immigration we would have a population probl;em (the Greens might like it).
Components of population change in the five years to 30 June 2012
Natural increase + 169,256
- Live births + 314,920
- Deaths – 145,664
Net migration + 34,427
- Arrivals + 424,213
- Departures– 389,786
Labours gay MP from Christchurch, escapes me for the moment
His name is Tim Barnett and he was “married” to an Anglican Vicar who is currently, I believe, a guest of her majesty for embezzeling several hundred thousand dollars from AUT
You couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried.
And he is back, he is currently secretary general of the New Zealand Labour Party so I’m told
“Early projections are still accurate in what is a new and evolving science.”
Projections of 0.3 deg C per decade are considered accurate when actual was < 0.18 deg C per decade, even below the lower limit of the uncertainty range?
"Climate science does not only involve climate scientist it involves all the hard sciences. "
You mean like geoscientists and engineers?
You’re right about one thing Andrei, you couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried.
i see Barnett was, in the interim, before returning to ‘work’ for Labour, working to help contain Aids.
His success may be measured by the fact that 1 in 20 male homosexuals in New Zealand is now infected
with aids. ( i refrained from using the term ‘riddled’ to avoid causeing offence to any of the poor sods who are now carriers.)
As usual right now a cherry pick
you forgot to add the range of there prediction not just the highpoint
Since IPCC’s first report in 1990, assessed projections have suggested global average temperature increases between about 0.15°C and 0.3°C per decade for 1990 to 2005. This can now be compared with observed values of about 0.2°C per decade, strengthening confidence in near-term projections. {1.2, 3.2}
Mann you know the actual scientist not a lawyer from heartland says
The trends for the period 1984 to 2012 (the 1984 date chosen because that is when these projections started), scenario B has a trend of 0.29+/-0.04ºC/dec (95% uncertainties, no correction for auto-correlation). For the GISTEMP and HadCRUT4, the trends are 0.18 and 0.17+/-0.04ºC/dec respectively. For reference, the trends in the CMIP3 models for the same period have a range 0.21+/-0.16 ºC/dec (95%).
As discussed in Hargreaves (2010), while this simulation was not perfect, it has shown skill in that it has out-performed any reasonable naive hypothesis that people put forward in 1988 (the most obvious being a forecast of no-change). However, concluding much more than this requires an assessment of how far off the forcings were in scenario B. That needs a good estimate of the aerosol trends, and these remain uncertain. This should be explored more thoroughly, and I will try and get to that at some point.
Seems the effect of china burning all the coal was not projected in 1984
still I really are bored with links to claim and counter claim
I would much rather explore your conspiracy theory
Is the government using chem trials to heat the atmosphere to produce warming so they can keep the myth going?
RightNow (4,944) Says:
February 21st, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Griff, Weihana. Two words:
Shale gas
By all means… but shale gas is always going to be limited in supply. Solar energy on the other hand is abundant and no matter how many wells you find it isn’t going to keep pace with exponential progress in the ability to harness that abundant solar energy. Solar Power may only account for 1% of global energy production at present but in exponential terms that’s halfway to 100%. Of course you might say that exponential progress will not go on forever. People have been saying that about computers for a long time as well.
“As usual right now a cherry pick”
Yes, I cherry picked the first IPCC assessment report from all the possible “Early projections”. Would James Hansen’s 1988 predictions have been a better option? Let me know, I’d be delighted to point out how well that’s worked out
“you forgot to add the range of there prediction not just the highpoint”
did you miss this: “even below the lower limit of the uncertainty range“?
Range of prediction: 0.2 to 0.5 deg C per decade. Observed: <0.18 deg C per decade.
Weihana (2,873) Says:
February 21st, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Intel has been stalled for the last two years Weihana, Moore’s law has plateaued, so far they have been stuck in the “I” series and just making them smaller. I think the next series is a 14 nm chip. AMD is the only one that tried to innovate with a new design but it was put out with the idea that programming will go parallel, well in some ways it has yet the majority is still single thread.
Their not getting faster, just smaller with the illusion of being fast. There is the spin machines but even they are new kids on the block and no one can afford one of those babies.
His success may be measured by the fact that 1 in 20 male homosexuals in New Zealand is now infected
with aids. ( i refrained from using the term ‘riddled’ to avoid causeing offence to any of the poor sods who are now carriers.)
180 new cases a year, including heterosexual Kiwis. 180 cases a year since 1985 would make 4,860 cases, including heterosexuals, assuming none had died. 4,860 times 20 is 97,200.
Even if every case was gay, you really think only 2.5% of the population of New Zealand is gay?
Harriet,
I think PG is a closet muslim like Hillary Clinton , Prince Charles etc Hilary Clinton has a muslim girlfriend who calls all the shots..the scary thing is many Americans seem to like Clinton.
Tim Barnett immigrated to NZ partly on the strength of his Anglican b/friends position in CHCH..They parted , then he married a Maori guy in a civil union..I think he worked for the UN after he left NZ..must be a good mate of Helen’s. He was really prissy before he left about not getting to be Mayor of CHCH.
Solar will get cheaper because of improvements in efficiency and decreases in cost. This has been happening for 30 years and it has been happening at an exponential rate.
This is where we are at after your claimed 30 years of exponential growth:
“Industrial Policy: Another stimulus-backed solar panel maker, one the president touted in a weekly radio address, is filing for bankruptcy. The administration’s green-energy efforts continue to grow a deeper shade of red.
After receiving some $70 million in federal loans, Abound Solar, a Colorado-based firm that was developing thin-film solar panels, has announced it will follow an earlier Obama administration green energy failure, Solyndra, into bankruptcy.”
Even with BILLIONS of dollars of tax payers money thrown at them, solar power companies are going broke. You must really think people are stupid to believe your nonsense claim. A few seconds of “google” searching will show you up.
CHINA & INDIA ARE BUILDING 4 NEW COAL POWER PLANTS – EVERY WEEK
Date: 14/11/12Peter Galuszka, The New York Times
Global demand for coal is expected to grow to 8.9 billion tons by 2016 from 7.9 billion tons this year. China is expected to add about 160 new coal-fired plants to the 620 operating now, within four years. During that period, India will add more than 46 plants.
I wonder why they don’t use that cheap and wonderful solar power Weihana lied talked about ? Maybe they don’t have the technology… well think again hippies:
China’s solar module manufacturing capacity (supply) has exploded following the 2008 global financial crisis. During the ensuing economic difficulties, the Chinese government targeted the solar panel manufacturing industry as part of its stimulus. At first glance, the policy was perfect. Demand for renewable energy sources was increasing due to environmental concerns while generous government subsidies in the EU and U.S. were boosting both household and corporate demand for PV panels. Funds were poured into the solar sector in China, and companies such as Suntech, LDK and Yingli were happy to borrow.
Sorry eco nuts. China is flat out building coal fired power plants, then using some of that cheap reliable energy to make solar panels for the white middles classes in the West. You got to love that
Intel has been stalled for the last two years Weihana
Azeraph did you know Berkshire Hathaway has recently sold down its entire stake in Intel?
On the Solid Energy issue, I find it quite rich that the lefties wept and wailed and rended their clothes over the disgwaceful twavesty of Solid Energy selling its world-class A-grade Coking Coal to China, and yet when it announces it’s in serious financial trouble, the very same lefties leap into the fray with strident criticism bullshit about how the hated tory Ministers have stood by while the poor widdle Solid Energy victim desperately stwuggled to survive.
Azeraph (313) Says:
February 21st, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Weihana (2,873) Says:
February 21st, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Intel has been stalled for the last two years Weihana, Moore’s law has plateaued, so far they have been stuck in the “I” series and just making them smaller. I think the next series is a 14 nm chip. AMD is the only one that tried to innovate with a new design but it was put out with the idea that programming will go parallel, well in some ways it has yet the majority is still single thread.
Their not getting faster, just smaller with the illusion of being fast. There is the spin machines but even they are new kids on the block and no one can afford one of those babies.
True, but Moore’s law never referred to speed specifically, it referred to the number of transistors you could fit on an integrated circuit. This has not stalled and will continue at least until about 2020. Of course it will end as this law pushes up against physical limits but it has always been the case that 10 years or so in the future you can point to some technical hurdle and suggest that those are the limits of progress because that represents the limits of what we know at that point in time.
Moreover, the integrated circuit itself is merely one type of processor and before that we had single transistors, vacuum tubes and relays. The exponential growth of computing power represents a trend of over 100 years over multiple types of technology. A 2 year trend isn’t particularly significant in that context and even if the progress slows over the next 10 years there are multiple technologies in the making, from molecular circuitry to quantum computing that will continue the exponential growth longer term.
Also, regarding speed keep in mind that the most powerful computer in existence, the human mind, is much slower than modern computers in terms of processing speed, yet it’s exceptionally parallel architecture (however it works) makes it more powerful than any computer in existence and only the most advanced supercomputers today are even approaching its raw computational power.
This is where we are at after your claimed 30 years of exponential growth:
“Industrial Policy: Another stimulus-backed solar panel maker, one the president touted in a weekly radio address, is filing for bankruptcy. The administration’s green-energy efforts continue to grow a deeper shade of red.
After receiving some $70 million in federal loans, Abound Solar, a Colorado-based firm that was developing thin-film solar panels, has announced it will follow an earlier Obama administration green energy failure, Solyndra, into bankruptcy.”
Even with BILLIONS of dollars of tax payers money thrown at them, solar power companies are going broke. You must really think people are stupid to believe your nonsense claim. A few seconds of “google” searching will show you up.
It is not my claim, it is simply a fact. But what you are failing to understand is that the bankruptcy of stimulus backed companies simply reflects the governments inability to pick winners in the marketplace, it does not negate or undermine the accelerating returns from the technology itself. The ability to predict technological progress from exponential trends does not imply one is able to predict which specific companies or individuals will achieve that progress any more than one can predict the specific path of a particle within a gas.
The government is unwise to make investments in specific companies trying to predict who will win in the marketplace. It is better suited to more fundamental research such as the human genome project or the recently announced brain mapping project.
i wouldn’t argue with your maths. @ 5.10
Neither would i be suprised that the actual % of males who are gay is around 2.5%
The % rate is not the issue.
As far as i am aware, the true rate is still unknown, i don’t care what it is.
The suggested % rate has varied from at least 10% ( a figure doubtless promoted by a gay advocate of some sort )
to the 2.5% you mention.
This crap of fixating on the percentage probably started with that deviant Kinsey and is really meaningless.
We all accept that some people are gay and there is nothing wrong with that.
It’s not a choice that people make.
i was commenting on what in my opinion was a mistake that was made in this country to legalise street
prostitution. It happened to be promoted by a homosexual MP Barnett
If you look at the reasons put forward to promote that perverse decision they are almost ludicrous.
See for eg the quote from the president of the prostitutes collective or whatever she calls herself.
If street prostitution was prohibited and confined to brothels there would be far fewer desperate kids, drug addicts,
aids carriers , etc. plying their bodies for a few meagre dollars on the streets such as around Hunters Corner in Papatoetoe in Auckland for example.
If it was not so easy for them to get money that way they would have more incentive to change their lifestyles.
Legalised street soliciting does nothing to reduce the spread of aids.
The argument that if it were illegal it would reduce the use of condoms is silly.
Weihana, predictions are not reality. You are falling into the trap Griff has with his beloved climate “models”. You claimed 30 years of exponential growth, yet large scale solar energy is not commercially viable today.
The government is unwise to make investments in specific companies
I agree. It is especially unwise if those companies intend to produce economically viable solar power (a thing that does not exist). The trouble is those solar power companies will not exist without enormous govt funding, simply because they are not profitable. If they were a viable undertaking then there would be no need for govt assistance at all. This is the true state of alternative energy today. Maybe it will improve in the future, but it does not look good for solar even in the long term. Sad but true.
‘Huge coal reserves found in Badin district after Thar’
Karachi: After Thar, the coal reserves of approximately 1.785 billion tonnes have been discovered in Badin district
Wednesday, 11 Jan 2012
According to Mr Zeng Xiaogang head of the Bureau of Geology and Mineral Resources in the Chinese autonomous region of Xinjiang, in 2011 a total of 13 new coal deposits were discovered in the region, amounting to an aggregate of 130.7 billion tonnes of new coal reserves.
And so it goes, on & on…
Do not expect the the worlds two biggest countries to start building wind mills or using solar panels any time soon. (not that the sun will even get through the pollution, from all those coal plants ! )
(Forwarded, in the public interest by fellow ‘anti-corruption’ /’whistle-blower’ ‘Public Watchdog’ – Penny Bright, with the authority of Grace Haden, including minor typographical and grammatical corrections).
“Defamatory email from Bruce Thomas. (Manager of Auckland Council ‘Democracy Services’) for the attention and action of Bruce Thomas for which I am seeking attention and action from elected members.”
“Thank you for taking the time to talk to me Stephanie , I am sending this to you and also to Bruce , I am uncertain as to where my emails go.
I have had an email forwarded on to me by sympathetic recipient of an email sent by Bruce Thomas Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 201311:02 a.m.. The email purports to be a copy of an email addressed to Gary Osborne and discusses me.
It was addressed To: GRP AC All Local Board Members
Bruce, since this discusses me I would urgently like a copy to be sent to me l directly, along with any instructions and communications which you have had from other members of council, elected or otherwise.
I request this information under urgency, under both LGOIMA and the Privacy Act.
I would also like to seek a retraction in terms of section 25 Defamation Act and part of this I believe should entitle me to address the councillors and local board members to explain the situation which non-elected members appear to be very keen to keep the lid on .
The issue I have tried to raise is serious corruption as defined by the United Nations Convention Against Corruption – is use of public office for private pecuniary gain where a previous manager of dog control contracted to himself as fictitious organisation called Animal Welfare Institute of New Zealand (AWINZ )
I am a former police prosecutor and long serving Police Officer .
Alf Filipina and I worked together in Otahuhu .
This is extremely political, and I believe the tip of the ice berg with regards to corruption in Council. The elected members are the rate payers representatives. I have evidence that our rates have been used by Council employees for self-enrichment and that other non-elected members have gone to all lengths to keep this from the Councillors.
I welcome any Councillors to contact me directly . I have a ton of evidence that Council resources were being used for private pecuniary gain. I am not in ‘contempt of Court ‘and in reality have action before the Court to have the whole matter over-turned because the decision was obtained through lies to the court which are proved through the documents later obtained from Council and MAF.
It has to be of note that neither Mr Wells nor Ms Hoadley have taken ‘contempt’ action against me, nor have they taken fresh defamation action because everything I say is backed with a raft of evidence. The tricks they used for their first victory is now under review by the Court. I can quite safely say that it is my honest opinion they have used the Court to pervert the course of justice . Their lawyers are Brookfields who happen to be closely associated with Council , and counsel for Council.
New Zealand has not ratified the UN Convention Against Corruption and if Councillors don’t want to learn from serious corruption which has occurred in the Council then the rate payers will only stand to pay more and get less while Council employees look after their own personal interests.
It is election year. Let’s see which Councillors care about corruption and who are prepared to remain silent because an employee ‘spun them a story’.
I also await a response to my LGOIMA addressed to you Bruce 11/2/2013
I also ask for the block to be taken off the telephone system I cannot contact any one in Council through the telephone system , I am always put on to answer phoes and calls are never returned.
Here’s another joke, sorry Kacang, I laughed more at this one.
joana at 5.10 pm
I think PG is a closet muslim like Hillary Clinton , Prince Charles etc Hilary Clinton has a muslim girlfriend who calls all the shots..the scary thing is many Americans seem to like Clinton.
I’ve been accused of being a lot of things but this is the first time I’ve been likened to Hilary Clinton and Prince Charles. I’m not quite in the same league as (apparently) Clinton, I don’t know any Muslims.
It’s more likely joana and Harriet are trying to stir up Muslim sympathy, they comment about Islam much more than me.
Pete – joana is a good source of eccentric commentary, alright.
Never more so than when she claimed in all seriousness that John Key has something called japanese “dead eyes.”
When reading any of Penny’s writings, or observing her actions, we must remember one very important thing:
She does not necessarily believe what she says. You cannot believe that she is sincere.
For Penny, the prime motivation is definitively NOT to get her message out there. Think about it. If this was really her intention, would she act in such a way as to bring ridicule, scorn and pity upon herself? After all, ask anybody about Penny Bright and they may well say “Who?” But remind them of the shameful and embarrassing spectacle observed in Aotea Square when a certain lady was observed howling, squawking, abusing, and ultimately being taken away as much for her own protection as anything else, and you will see the spark of recognition, followed by scorn or possibly pity, enter their eyes. Mention that she was the lady who stood for public election, and then willfully vandalised the billboards of her opponent, and they will understand who you are talking about.
Would someone who is supposedly such an experienced activist, who claims to be so politically aware, deliberately act in such a way as to guarantee that any message she might have will inevitably be overshadowed by her bizarre antics – if she truly cared about getting the message out there? I really don’t think so.
The prime motivation for Penny, obviously, is to gain attention. That’s all. I’m no medical person, but surely this is a classic case of narcissism. Using other people without considering the cost of doing so; pretending to be more important than they really are; claiming to be an expert in various areas; and if you go through Hotchkiss’ seven deadly sins of narcissism, Penny ticks virtually every box.
Penny is not to be sneered at or insulted. She is to be pitied, for the lengths she will go to in order to effectively plead, “Look at me! Look at me!”
San paku eyes are well known in New York , Japan , and mostly probably in Europe and Australia , but thanks for the compliment rodders..I do not mind being considered eccentric..It is more likely that I just read a lot more than you do..I first read about this concept about 25 years ago..
Why do you label someone who knows something you don’t know , eccentric? You need to read more. Oh and yes , Key is sick.
I would have thought that a principled person, not paying their rates to protest a point, would act to make that point within a reasonable time – say, at the outside two years – if only to emphasize how fucking useless the Auckland City council is in having ratepayers comply with the simplest first requirement – that they pay rates.
Someone who allows this position to exist for up to four years or longer is not acting in a principled manner displaying any integrity – rather they are as corrupt as those they claim to campaign against.
But then someone who responds to the comment –
“Pay your rates thieving bludging bloody mad woman.”
with -
“‘thedavincimode’ – you have NO idea how much you have made my day ”
indicates Penny Bright’s real motivation.
Do not fed the watchdog.
Today (21.02.13) I received a bill from Meridian Energy. It was dated 15.02.13. That’s six days.
I rang and asked them why such a delay – they blame NZ Post. And the thieving bastards have charged $5 for a service letter.
Now my bill was up to date with zero balance when I paid by Internet Banking on 13.02.13
This is of coarse part of a plan to milk more money.
Sooner Meridian is sold the better, get rid of the deadwood Public Servants
Belief that Mr Bain should receive compensation was strongest among Maori Party voters (78 per cent). National Party supporters were least likely to agree to a payout (53 per cent).
National and Conservative Party voters were more inclined to believe Mr Bain was not wrongfully imprisoned. Younger people were more likely to agree that he deserves compensation.
This conclusion to a poll on compensation for Bain would surely indicate the question was not worth asking in the first place.
But then someone who responds to the comment –
“Pay your rates thieving bludging bloody mad woman.”
with -
“‘thedavincimode’ – you have NO idea how much you have made my day ”
indicates Penny Bright’s real motivation.
Quite correct. Poor woman. Yet another sign of her desperate pleas to “Look at me! Look at me!”
Kea (2,195) Says:
February 21st, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Weihana, predictions are not reality.
Of course not but it doesn’t mean a prediction is necessarily untrue. Your brain was made for predicting. It is what allowed our ancestors to outsmart competing predators in the wild so it is silly to dismiss predictions outright. There are limitations to what is predictable but the future is not categorically unpredictable. Moore’s law is but one example of the future being predictable decades in advance.
You are falling into the trap Griff has with his beloved climate “models”.
That is how science works, we model the world around us and test those models against reality. Newtons laws of motion, for instance, are just a model and as with any model they are only correct within the limits of the model. Does that therefore make them wrong?
You claimed 30 years of exponential growth, yet large scale solar energy is not commercially viable today.
Exponential growth always starts out almost imperceptibly slow until it explodes out of nowhere. The Internet is a classic example of this. In the 80s the notion that the world, in the very near future, would be so interconnected was fanciful precisely because intuition is linear and not exponential. In linear terms if you add 2 30 times you get to 60. However in exponential terms if you start with 2 and double it 30 times you end up with a billion. But halfway to a billion you are only at 32 thousand.
solar power is approaching parity with conventional sources very soon. I.e. The next ten years. In 20 it will be ubiquitous. Look at it this way. At least I’m not going to try and get the government to ban dirty energy because I believe the market will do that by itself. So you can have faith in those conventional sources of energy and I’ll have mine.
That is how science works, we model the world around us and test those models against reality. Newtons laws of motion, for instance, are just a model and as with any model they are only correct within the limits of the model. Does that therefore make them wrong?
What makes Griffs models wrong is reality. Which is sort of my point. Reality is the test of the models and predictions. Some times those predictions and models are wrong. Newton based his models on observation, not models. He created the models from the observation.
I do not have “faith” in conventional energy, nor do I have a coal fired power plant. It is not about what I am doing. Truth be told I would lean more towards silly windmills and solar power if I had my way. But that is about being self sufficient, not running a commercial enterprise.
Other than that there is not much to disagree with in your post.
Newton’s Principia formulated the laws of motion and universal gravitation that dominated scientists’ view of the physical universe for the next three centuries. It also demonstrated that the motion of objects on the Earth and that of celestial bodies could be described by the same principles. By deriving Kepler’s laws of planetary motion from his mathematical description of gravity,Newton removed the last doubts about the validity of the heliocentric model of the cosmos.
Weihana, I’m actually a bit partial to solar myself, it would be my preferred way of supplementing grid power with my own generation. Actually my preferred way would be micro-hydro, but I can’t see that happening while I’m living in the city, although I suspect one of my neighbours has hooked a hose up to a water turbine, since my water pressure has mysteriously dropped recently.
Anyway solar is limited the amount of energy coming from the sun. Current total solar irradiance is about 1367w/m^2 (e.g http://www.ukssdc.ac.uk/wdcc1/papers/grl.html#figure5) so even at 100% efficiency you’re never going to get more than that.
I agree the costs are coming down and the efficiency is getting up, personally I think it’s most suited to small scale installations like on houses, but it will always need a baseload backup method of generation. Battery technology just isn’t cutting it, and the chemicals and manufacturing processes involved (with battery production and disposal) negate much of the benefit.
You know what’s interesting? It’s not that the POTUS is gay, it’s that he doesn’t bother telling the voters about it so they can make an informed decision. Sounds like someone we used to know, doesn’t it.
Our true future lies not in energy but in superconductive created materials that operate in any temperature. This will take time but it is starting to have some interest shown in it by major universities. These materials become energy transformers, so, if your car or house is partly made of this material, just what do you think you could turn it into?
It’s the last true frontier for us to conquer on planet based transportation.
Until an efficient reliable storage system is developed for solar and wind energy, these systems will fail to fully realise their potential. There is no question that both wind and solar have their place in energy supply, but until the storage conundrum is resolved cost efficiencies will elude that market sector.
@paul east bay.
Sorry to disappoint you but I am not Kevin Hague the Green MP. We share a similar name but are miles apart philosophically.
Newton based his models on observation, not models…
Climate models are also based on observation and they are tested. They are not perfect but have some use. The ability to hind cast past climate for instance is an indicator of their usefulness. But I agree there is uncertainty. How to reconcile model tropospheric warming being greater than surface warming for instance raises questions about their accuracy.
Researchers at the University of Arkansas have developed a solar energy storage system that stores the thermal energy (heat) absorbed by solar panels at a lower cost than conventional energy storage methods
It has an impressively low cost of $0.78 per kWh, far less than the U.S Department of Energy’s goal of $15 per kWh.
The ability to hind cast past climate for instance is an indicator of their usefulness.
Are you drunk ?
Or maybe your right, the fact they can predict something after the event, is an indicator of a the climate models usefulness. (Not very) But why do weathermen need a model to do that ?
Griff its past your bedtime, your getting cranky and too stoned. Go grab Karma and hit the hay.
If only there was an efficient way to harness the energy used rooting. We could nationalise welfare mothers and they can be our new state power assets. Then we can do a partial sell-down. win-win
But past climate is an observation. I agree the usefulness of the test is limited as the data upon which the model is made is not entirely independent data set but it is not a pointless exercise.
Researchers at the University of Arkansas have developed a solar energy storage system that stores the thermal energy (heat) absorbed by solar panels at a lower cost than conventional energy storage methods
If we can get around the storage problem then solar panels will become more viable. BUT so will all the other forms of energy generation. Solar will still be inefficient, by comparison, with today’s cost to energy ratios.
One very effective way to store energy is Coal & Oil . Best of all, they are organic and created by mother nature. 100% pure and natural.
“I agree the usefulness of the test is limited as the data upon which the model is made is not entirely independent data set but it is not a pointless exercise.”
It’s made somewhat pointless when the data is adjusted to fit the hypothesis.
That’s ok Johnboy, they could have them all as full and final settlement under te tiriti. In fact it doesn’t even need to be final settlement, they’re a renewable resource!
The cheapest solar modules, not yet on the market, have manufacturing costs under $1 per watt, making them contenders – when they reach the market – for breaking the 12 cents per Kwh mark.
We will see. I’ll probably be on kiwiblog in ten years so if the exponential trend doesn’t continue because all the scientists and engineers fell asleep you can have a good laugh at my expense.
I think another form of organic energy we are failing to exploit is Dolphin and Whale blubber. The stupid things suicide by their hundreds anyway. They really are the morons of the aquatic world and have not even evolved enough to breath under water like everything else has. It will also cut down on predation, of our valuable fish stocks, by these evolutionary mistakes.
Other benefits of eliminating them include; reduced incidence of beard growing, less post menopausal women thinking they can have a connection with dolphins, millions of tons of co2 will not be liberated by flotillas of greeny ships, the Japs can go back to building decent cars, hippies will be more inclined to work…
The numbers are staggering and surprising. In 88 minutes, the sun provides 470 exajoules of energy, as much energy as humanity consumes in a year. In 112 hours – less than five days – it provides 36 zettajoules of energy – as much energy as is contained in all proven reserves of oil, coal, and natural gas on this planet.
Do you know Griff some crazies actually discount the Sun as a factor in climate change ? They think burning a few lumps of coal or running down the shop in your car is the deciding factor. Crazy a ?
And things must be desperate (for ALARMISTS) if “National Geographic” has to stoop this low to find someone to discuss climate science.
“The National Geographic Science Blogs have added Dr. Peter Gleick to its roster of contributors despite the fact that he stole documents from The Heartland Institute in 2012, creating and disseminated a phony ‘memo’ to defame the 28-year-old, non-profit research organization.” http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/protecting-global-warming-liars.html
Do you know Griff some crazies actually discount the Sun as a factor in climate change ? They think burning a few lumps of coal or running down the shop in your car is the deciding factor. Crazy a ?
With all that energy coming off the sun, it’s a wonder the Earth didn’t explode a million years ago! It’s almost as if something other than the sun has changed!
Gleick gets a new job and his old job back while Heartland lost major donors, board members and staff quit and has been reduced to selling t-shirts and coffee mugs. Too funny.
The reason why we feel the need for more energy will be for the one reason we feel death approaching, Posterity. We feel an innate need to post video, comments, poetry, everything. In the hope of it being useful to someone else in a moment somewhere in the future. Surveillance 24/7 needs to be recorded somewhere, wi-fi everywhere. Online invoicing just after you have quoted a client you’ve worked in less than ten min’s. Apart from new housing, just what energy do we need?
It’s almost as if something other than the sun has changed!
Gosh Ryan Sproull, For sure, your a smart guy. The earths climate is in constant change. Change is normal when your talking about climate. Do you know, for example, that the earth was covered in ice numerous times ?
In fact humans would not even be here if the earth did not go through warming cycles. Some cycles were so extreme that they melted most of the ice off the earth and allowed people to evolve. The amount of ice was huge, kilometers thick in places and it all went away. (this was before capitalism and America were invented). We are either in an Ice age or emerging from one. No one is quite sure, but with no temperature rise and increasing ice, I tend to think we are on the down hill slope to a new ice age. So do scientists it seems:
Climate Scientists Predicts a ‘Mini Ice Age’ in the Future Amid Evidence Of Sun’s Diminishing Acitivity
NASA’s prediction that the sun’s next 11-year activity phase or “Cycle 25: will be one of the weakest in centuries and is likely to decrease until 2100, has led some scientists to foresee a “mini ice age” in the future.
According to climate scientists, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a “grand minimum” in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.
Data issued recently by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit confirmed that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.
Gleick gets a new job and his old job back while Heartland lost major donors, board members and staff quit and has been reduced to selling t-shirts and coffee mugs. Too funny.
Does this mean no more lies about Heartland getting all that money from BIG OIL and the non-existent( but scary sounding) “carbon industry” ?
Speaking of donors, how much funding does the IPCC get annually ?
But climate was at the top of the list. By 2010, Donors Trust had distributed $118m to 102 thinktanks or action groups which have a record of denying the existence of a human factor in climate change, or opposing environmental regulations.
Recipients included some of the best-known thinktanks on the right. The American Enterprise Institute, which is closely connected to the Republican party establishment and has a large staff of scholars, received more than $17m in untraceable donations over the years, the record show.
But relatively obscure organisations did not go overlooked. The Heartland Institute, virtually unknown outside the small world of climate politics, received $13.5m from the Donors Trust.
Americans for Prosperity, the Tea Party group seen as the strike force of the conservative oil billionaire Koch Brothers, received $11m since 2002.
Levi Russell, spokesman for Americans for Prosperity, declined to comment on the importance of that support to the organisation. “We’re very grateful for each of the millions of activists and donors that make what we do possible,” he said in an email.
And here’s the Appleman chart, showing that permanent contrails were impossible that day whether at 20,000 or 30,000 feet. At 30,000′ the pressure was 304 and relative humidity 23%. But at 20,000 feet the temperature was only -21.5C with 30% relative humidity. The commercial planes at intervals throughout the day left at most a tiny white comma, and many times not even that: the trails were just not there. The only trails were left by jets which did not show up as civilian, commercial or private traffic. This conclusion isn’t open to debate, and it isn’t a theory – it is a fact which can be verified by anyone with an iPhone and at least one eye, and the ability to tilt the head skyward
Kea, the original protests were from the people – the use of force against civilians led to the civil war.
The regime every decade or so uses the military to crush civilian protest and cower opposition and has routinely interfered in Lebanese politics – including terrorist acts/assassinations.
The Islamists fighting them are being armed (and paid) by Saudi Arabia. There is a Shia minority in the NE of SA near southern Iraq – now ruled by a Shia majority government with close links to Iran. This is part of the Saudi Arabia “Cold War” vs Shia Arab Moslems (Bahrain and Syria are the hot spots) under “Persian imperial influence”.
Most people are on the side of local democracy, not either tyranny. And notably it is Sunni Arab Islamists who resort to bombings (killing Shia in Iraq and Pakistan), with the exception of Syria (state) and their Hizbollah proxy in Lebanon (“armed gang” in the government of a state).
February 21st, 2013 at 8:02 am
Posted at The Standard:
Something similar could be asked of David Shearer and Labour MPs, who have a history of being derogatory towards gays.
Unless this is addressed by Shearer it will remain Labour’s problem with homophobia.
Vote:- with Shearer added to the list of culprits along with O’Connor, Mallard, Cosgrove and Tamihere.
February 21st, 2013 at 8:12 am
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10866731
????
You can’t import them, so…. they’re legal to use but if you can’t import them you can’t get them in the country to legally use them? So there’s no point legally being able to use them then.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:16 am
Pete, when I arise in the morning I take a shower.
When you arise in the morning you visit The Standard.
I know who starts the day cleaner
February 21st, 2013 at 8:18 am
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10866734
Might have to change the name ‘Auckland’ to ‘Hannahs’ once all the millions of expected newcomers live in shoeboxes.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:24 am
Oh, too much irony for this early in the morning. A bog standard author bemoaning ‘hate speech’. That bastion of free speech, of reasoned yet passionate debate, the sub standard. LMFAO. Clean your own house up first.
Ah me, methinks the morons doth protest too much.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:24 am
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10866715
Double-decker buses being trialed in Auckland…
Look at this utter crap. Double deckers are iconic in London. I’ve driven an old one in Wellington. And the drivers that struggle with single deckers? Yeah.. I had my problems with them too… and guess what? Not driving them now!! If you can’t drive the bus…. then get another damn job!! How idiotic.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:30 am
A nano second after GD is posted Pete George manages a post containing the turds “Homophobia” and the “The Standard”.
Itching to go are we?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:49 am
http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/8285062/Eating-green-may-not-be-green
Facts and figures… truth and fiction… false perceptions…
I’ve read just a little bit about carbon counting…
Interesting to think about someone that cycles to work. To balance their daily calories they need to consume more of them.
eg car user 8 700kj daily calorie intake
cyclist 8 700kj less 4 000kj cycling. Whoa… eat 4 000kj extra to balance.
And the carbon cost of the extra 4 000kj they consume is? Starts to even out with the carbon cost of the fossil fuel powered vehicle. Especially a car with five people in it (rare to see that I know).
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:56 am
Who is the extremist?
Vote:A guy whose life is in danger because he warns of the dangers of importing the followers of a barabaric religion whose followers seek domination.
Or is it the followers of those religion who seek to kill those who warn of the dangers of their religious-based ideology?
With so many doing their best to shut down Geert Wilders it does make you wonder what shocking secrets he is trying to reveal.
So in the interests of free speech and debate- a debate lefties and dhimmis seek to suppress- here is his melbourne speech.
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/02/geert-wilders-in-melbourne/
Pity he isn’t coming to New Zealand.
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/02/geert-wilders-in-melbourne/
February 21st, 2013 at 8:57 am
Krazy Kiwi – when I arise in the morning I visit quite a few places online. It’s how I get an idea of what is being talked about across a range of views, I prefer to see outside one bubble.
The Standard is no ‘dirtier’ than it is here. It is by far the biggest leftish blog in New Zealand so is an important part of the blogosphere and political commentariat. There’s a lot of noise for sure (like here) but there are also some very insightful and useful comments and posts. In fact picking up on one such comment earlier this week may have a significant impact on the Labour Party and Shearer’s leadership.
I’d much rather read a variety of views around various social media forums than keep banging on about Bain and climate change.
Note from the previous post that DPF has also visited The Standard. Why don’t you try and diss him for that?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:11 am
Some interesting reading there, Fairfacts Media. Thanks for sharing.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:27 am
If Geert wilders had come to NZ, which venues would have been available to him?
Vote:On another topic, good ideas from Judge David Carruthers for the Police Complaints org..A giant mess in In’gill with tech poor cops giving extensive info to a drug investigation defendants lawyer containing names and details re informants and under cover cops. But still a bozo came out and said their processes are ”robust”..I doubt those impacted would agree. Also , this will likely deter others from ”informing ”in future and deter cops from deciding to go under cover.
February 21st, 2013 at 9:45 am
Google Glass
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/bulletin/google-unveils-wearable-computer-google-glass/13317
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:47 am
Welcome to our brave new world of gender neutral parenting
My Wife Is My Sister
There is a lot more to this traditional family thing, based upon traditional marriage, than meets the eye.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:50 am
What’s your point there, Andrei?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:52 am
To keep KK happy I’ll quote from a speech in parliament yesterday:
And…
Trying to talk climate change go away won’t make the issues go away.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:55 am
Here it is Griff,
final absolute, undeniable proof of global warming.
Next some someone argues with your obsesssive belief you will
be able to post this as your trump card,
game, set and match to Griff.
Now you can STFU about it. You’ve won.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/19/us-usa-birds-idUSBRE91I16Y20130219
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:57 am
C’mon, P.G., I know you are a The sub-Standard addict. Just accept and live with your vice.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 10:00 am
Schizophrenic Herald reporting….
“NZ dollar slides on mention of ‘intervention’”
Then, in the details….
“The kiwi rose to 54.80 British pence from 54.43 pence and rose to 62.82 euro cents from 62.67 cents.
The local currency rose to 81.32 Australian cents from 81.14 cents and fell to 78.34 yen from 78.54 yen.”
As far as I can tell, the NZ dollar has actually increased against some currencies so you wonder about the quality of Herald reporting. Pretty poor.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 10:08 am
What does the letter have to do with gender neutral parenting? Do you know what that means? I presume not. The letter is about assisted reproduction not gender neutral parenting. It’s questionable whether the letter is real given the low probability of occurance though it’s well written if it were fake.
In any case the probability of this occuring in general is very low and as I understand sperm banks have already taken measures to minimize it further.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 10:30 am
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/18/science/project-seeks-to-build-map-of-human-brain.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Excellent idea. This is the sort of basic science government should be involved in. Scanning technologies are improving exponentially and supercomputers are attaining (or rapidly approaching) the raw processing power to simulate the human brain and with these emerging technologies this is the perfect time to bring a coordinated effort to understand how the human brain works.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 10:41 am
Hmmm! Twenty idle-nothing-better-to-do blogsters ahead of me this morning. (Turn that thing off and get on with your work, there!!)
Serioiusly, once there are twenty or so comments on here, the pathetic attention span of your average blog-surfer is such that any one who posts after an hour or so is destined to be ignored, not read, skipped over or otherwise disregarded.
However, that aside there are two issues that i think warrant some comment this fine morning!
Firstly, how much longer are we going to have to put up with the shenanigans going on in the Southern Ocean?. I have no brief for the Japanese – repeat, I have no brief for the Japanese – but I have even less time for the musical comedy antics of the self styled guardians of the whales. Ludicrously pathetic though they are, they turn me right off.
If i get this right these – (what shall iI call them?) – bandits of the ocean wave (?) in the shape of Sea Shepherd and all who sail in her really need to pull in their swollen, self important heads and let the little yellow blokes get on with the business. It will – of course – end in tears. Any berk can see that coming. And when it does we should ask ourselves the question: If you play with fire how is it that you shouldn’t expect to get burned? Or sunk, as will probably be the case.
OK. Second, and different, rant. Why are the media in the form of the ol’ Auckland morning paper, (whatever its called) being so sniffy and poo-poo-ey about the planned construction of high rise apartment buildings in Akl? What’s wrong with them? I’ve lived on quarter acre sections, and high rises here, in Europe, in Asia and UK. And I can tell you I’d take a high rise over a lawn-girt stand-alone any day.
Its a great lifestyle, i can tell you with one very, very important proviso. And that is: NO CHILDREN!! High rises and children under the age of sixteen do not go well together because many adolescent and pre-adolescent children are, by definition, noisy, and still not entirely socialised. And in a high rise you have to consider your neighbours – the people you see in the lift each morning.
In our 200 square medium standard apartment with two basement car spaces we are insulated from most of the irritations that go with living in a row of houses in a street. Also, being smack bang right in the City centre we can choose any of a dozen restaurants without worrying about drinking and driving, not to mention the convenience of having other services and facilities literally almost on the doorstep. Hardly any need to get the car out.
So. To recap. Don’t tell me Sea Shepherd and Co are hard done by or ‘brave, champions of the innocent whale’. They’re not!
And don’t tell me that the provision of more high rise apartments in any city, especially Akl, is going to reduce us to slummy third world status. Anyone who thinks that has obviously never experienced the convenience, economy and all round live-ability of apartment living.
Double rant now over. Go for it guys!!
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 10:44 am
LOL Liberalism is indeed a mental defect, something is lacking in the brains of liberals that makes what is blindingly obvious to normal people impossible for them to grasp.
I doubt that there is a cure – perhaps a shock treatment via a dose of reality by making them live in another culture where English isn’t spoken and life is hard might do it, who knows?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 10:51 am
Yeah yeah. What was your actual point? Sperm donation is bad?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 10:53 am
David Carter is struggling as new Speaker. It’s a daunting task countrolling a house of harangers and Carter is finding the initial going tough.
Carter looks easily flustered. Time will tell whether he grows into the job or keeps blustering his way through it. In the meantime we can expect a lot of frustration from the opposition.
National MPs would help the Speaker – and Parliament – if they supported Carter and didn’t abuse their speaking rights and obligations in the House.
If Parliament descends into more chaos than usual John Key will have to take some of the responsibility.
Carter struggling as Speaker – and I’m not as scathing as Cam at Truth in Just Dreadful – A lesson in how to win in Parliament
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:06 am
Akaroa, I think the issues raised about apartment buildings – certainly in the link that Left Right and Centre provided – is more to do with the size and quality. Does anybody really want to live in a shoddily-built, squashed cramped little “shoebox”?
Although, having said that, I did hear something on the radio this morning about an apartment building in Milford (Auckland North Shore) being rejected basically due to the NIMBY syndrome if I recall correctly. I can understand that – if you’ve ever been to Orewa, you cannot miss the Nautilus, a 12-level monstrosity sticking out like a sore thumb.
But I agree with you that there is absolutely nothing wrong with apartment living, as long as it is done properly, planned well, and the apartments are built well. It’s not for me personally, but that’s just due to my lifestyle, the fact that I have children, and so on. Looking at it from another perspective, I have no idea where all the people piling into Auckland over the next 30 years are going to live if we don’t start building more apartments. Daily commute from Pokeno, anyone?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:07 am
This is a reflection on the position of the right on global warming. Facts are bad,Oil industry spin is good. no matter how pathetic and blatant the manipulation
You will all screech like fucked pigs when the greens are voted into power yet you think like this about environmental issues
When the greens are voted in I suggest that those greedy fucks who refuse to acknowledge the problem of global warming review their beliefs. The costs the greens will add to the economy on social issues will be due to your own personal stupidity over allowing the left to own the AGW debate.
Ps For those that blame me for fulling general debate with climate change
Vote:I only react to prior denial posts. The ratio of denial to rational on climate change runs about four to one to the denial nutjobs. The reason you are blaming me for it festering on GD is the message I have scares you. It is far easier for you to believe its not a problem than deal with the consequences of it happening.
February 21st, 2013 at 11:08 am
Because it was light-hearted humour pete. Not a character assignation, which you well know I’m capable of if the need arises
I’m usually pretty happy, but thanks for the concern
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:10 am
“The Duke of Edinburgh has struck again.
His latest gem: “The Philippines must be half empty – you’re all here running the NHS (National Health Service).”
”
Doesn’t sound too outrageous to me.
I had an english person commenting to me that 1/2 of NZ must be living in London. Using an exaggeration to illustrate a point.
Hardly a gaff.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:14 am
Griff – sorry pal. The message you have doesn’t scare me.
Makes me laugh out loud? Yes.
Has me shake my head that someone can be so stuipd? Yes.
That you continue to persist with outright lies, fabrication and a defence of the crumbling walls of the climate scam is quite astounding.
I blame the cannabis.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:19 am
It’s true. You couldn’t get a drink in London if it wasn’t for all the Aussies and Kiwis.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:24 am
Related to yesterday’s cloud computing thread – Link to a very good site that lets you manage all your cloud sites from one place for FREE – https://www.cloudkafe.com/
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:28 am
wreck1080 – good on him, the Duke of Edinburgh rocks. Given that he’s a fountain of political incorrectness – and unapologetic to boot – many people either find him a refreshing breath of fresh air, or rude and offensive.
But at least he says what he thinks, and PC be damned.
There’s a story of the Queen and the Duke driving together – him driving very, very fast, and her repeatedly telling him to slow down. Supposedly he finally said “If you speak again, woman, I shall put you out of the car.” And she didn’t speak again. Upon being told this, a friend of the Queen said in horror, “Why do you let him speak to you like that?” And the Queen replied, “Well, you heard what he said – he’d put me out of the car.”
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:33 am
graham, I think he’s a moron. Seriously. Read some of these: Top 15 quotes of Prince Philip.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:35 am
How can the BBC print this? It can’t help the cause of Muslim immigration.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-21523879
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:39 am
krazykiwi: I know that as I write this I will sound like Pedantic Pete, for which I apologise, but …
Do you REALLY think he’s a moron as such? Rude, offensive, inconsiderate, sexist, prejudiced – I could understand if you called him any of those, but a moron? Why?
Yes, some of those quotes are … well … but I love this one: “If you see a man opening a car door for a woman, it means one of two things: it’s either a new woman or a new car!”
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:42 am
*yawn*
Andrei talking about a “lack of brains”, “normal people” and “reality”. I guess the irony is totally lost on him, yet again.
Still hasn’t been able to explain his point.
Vote:Probably something to do with lesbians and you know, lesbians are evil
February 21st, 2013 at 11:42 am
I don’t believe Prince Philip is a moron. Not at all.
Vote:An old guy who open his mouth and speaks his mind without considering the consequences, yes; a moron, no.
February 21st, 2013 at 11:43 am
graham, yeah fair enough. (I quite liked that one too!). It was the wish to return as a virus to cull the worlds population and got to me.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:45 am
And here is why NZ should impose the 2% rule on Muslim Immigration:
Take it away Geert Wilders………
“In each one of our cities, there is a second city, a state within the state, a government within the government. A Muslim city, a city ruled by the Koran.” — end of quote.
“There is reason for concern if the erosion of our freedom of speech is the price we must pay to accommodate Islam. There is something badly wrong if those who deny that Islam is a problem do not grant us the right to talk about the issue.
Public discussion should not be stifled by threats; On the contrary, public discussion should be promoted. And everyone should be allowed to freely express his opinions.
If we remain silent, we are certain to go from defeat to defeat; But if we speak the truth, we will be able to turn the tide and it will be our first victory of many.
The future freedom of Australia, the liberties of your children — they depend on you.
The ANZAC spirit helped keep Europe free in the past; the ANZAC spirit will keep you free in the future. Be as brave as your fathers, and you will survive.
There is hope because we are not alone. We still speak for the majority. While the elite has largely fallen for cultural relativism, the people have not.
In my country, the Netherlands, 56 percent of the population see Islam as the biggest threat to our national identity.
In Britain, a survey last month showed that the public regard immigration as the biggest issue facing British society.
In Germany, 64 percent hold that Islam is violent and 70 percent that it is fanatical.
In France, 74 percent are convinced that Islam is intolerant and not compatible with French society.
These people are not wrongheaded, they are not extremists; they stand for decency, common sense and liberty. We must speak on their behalf. We must encourage them. We must tell them not to give up and not to lose heart.
My friends, always remember that our voice is the voice of liberty; it is the voice of liberation.
Let us defend our own freedoms. And let us support Muslims — and especially the suppressed Muslim women — who want to free themselves from the yoke of Islam.
Now we will hear from that ‘voice of reason’ Pete George……take it away Pete
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:50 am
Good to see Peter Dunne speaking about the important issues:
“Air NZ should discount fares when forced to fly on cruddy 737 rather A320 Airbus”.
How about “whorish MP’s should pay for their own tickets once in a while”.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:50 am
The worst impacts of the AGW scare are already entrenched as illustrated by Griff’s posting the other day of a fictional study regarding power generation in Australia. The study (based on models) said wind and solar would be cheaper generation methods than coal and gas, and based that on wind generation falling to $80/MWH compared to new coal generation rising to $140/MWH.
The fact that current coal generation prices are about $40/MWH should be evidence to all of the real dangers of the AGW industry.
Prices for power will be (already are being) artificially inflated to make renewables look cost effective in comparison.
How will this affect the poor and the frail? Most us will know some elderly people who live on bugger all. They already sit in their freezing cold bedsit in winter with a blanket draped over them and a single bar heater (or a similar scenario).
Griff says “The costs the greens will add to the economy on social issues …” – the costs are already being added, look at the EU budget of $300 million for ‘climate action’ until 2020. For what?
The costs of action to curb CO2 emissions that would perhaps stall 0.1 deg C rise are magnitudes more than the costs of targeted mitigation such as levee building. The benefits of a moderate rise in temp (e.g. higher crop yields, greater areas of arable land) are played down. Meanwhile big oil have already got their fingers in the pie, as do big insurance and big green.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:54 am
Harriet – to be reasonable I’d need to see what sort of surveys you are referring to. Otherwise your comment could sound like just another bit of bashing of a different religion without solid substantion of claims made.
And if accurate what would it prove? Or achieve?
You might get a majority in a survey done here opposing Maorism and Asianism , but that wouldn’t justify limiting them to 2% of the population.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:56 am
kk, certainly I concede some of his statements are a bit over the top. Saying to a blind women with a guide dog “Do you know they have eating dogs for the anorexic now?” probably didn’t upset her, but I’ll bet there was a swag of complaints from eating-disorder centres – probably fair enough, too, to be honest. And I’d hiccup a bit over the “slitty eyes” comment too.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:58 am
That you continue to persist with outright lies, fabrication and a defense of the crumbling walls of the climate scam is quite astounding.
Vote:the scam is way past the point of it being proven its fucken happening and yet you continue to hold views from guys like James Taylor.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/02/19/1608431/heartlands-james-taylor-falsely-claims-new-study-rejects-climate-consensus/
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/06/18/forbes-still-publishing-heartlands-climate-nons/177014
You know they are funded by Hydro carbon money.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/02/donors-trust-climate-denial
You totally fail to recognize that some super rich in particular those who profit from mining or drilling are quite happy to delay any action in till it is imposable to still deny the truth.
You believe there is actually disagreement in science and its a hoax yet are ignoring the evidence in front of you of a flow of money from these super rich into the organizations you are referencing for “unbiased scientific reporting”.
February 21st, 2013 at 12:02 pm
“…..You might get a majority in a survey done here opposing Maorism and Asianism , but that wouldn’t justify limiting them to 2% of the population…..”
…..they don’t mutilate kids…….or their wives….by creed.
In your pen on the left Pete……some pigs lives are worth more than others……typical of your type Pete.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 12:04 pm
I reckon 0.00000% would be much better.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 12:04 pm
Heh. That’s the thing. In general Liberals know that virtually nothing is blindingly obvious – whereas Conservatives seem more comfortable with certainty. Still, we are all constrained by our individual ability to perceive.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Ryan Sproull – “….Yeah yeah. What was your actual point? Sperm donation is bad?…’
Andrei’s point is this:
Two brothers should not commit sodomy. Nor a father and adult son. Nor a mother and adult daughter commit foreplay.
Why do you support this behaviour Ryan…..bored with your sex life?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 12:10 pm
graham (1,655) Says:
February 21st, 2013 at 11:06 am
Akaroa, I think the issues raised about apartment buildings – certainly in the link that Left Right and Centre provided – is more to do with the size and quality. Does anybody really want to live in a shoddily-built, squashed cramped little “shoebox”?
Surely Graham, if no one wants to live in a “shoebox” apartment they won’t do so, the building owner will go broke, the disused building will rot and fall down and someone will build a more desirable building on the site.
Or is the problem that someone might want to live in the small apartments and bloody do-gooders have found yet another cause for their nose-poking?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Right now.
The cost quoted by Bloombergs was for new generation.
Q Why do you fuss on the cost of existing generation when that has nothing to do with the costs of building new plant?
A Because you did not actually understand what I posted just read green energy is cheaper. then trotted of to the usual sources of misinformation for a little conformation bias.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Peter George – have a look at sites like “Islam versus Europe” “Gates of Vienna” and USA blogs that detail how aggressive and demanding Islam has become in the West. The fact that polygamy is now legal for muslims in UK and sharia courts proliferate in the muslim areas shouild give you an idea of how Islam has encroached on once Christian countries.And are you aware of the “Istanbul Process” which wants the UN to introduce a law criminalising any denigration of religion. Which is the only ideology that does not like the real truth of their religious tenets and laws exposed before the world and which has already killed many who dare to question it?
Or on the other hand you could read the Qur’an, ahadith and Sira, have a look at what Sharia law actually entails and see for yourself what a retrograde ideology this is and how they have a mandate from their prophet to conquer the world as there will be no peace until the earth is ruled by Gods laws only and our manmade legal system is over ruled.
In the USA Kentucky has actually had to pass an anti Sharia law to ensure that it is not used in conjunction with ordinary law as the muslims there want. The higher the muslim population, the more demands they make and the USA, like Europe, is frightened of what will happen if they do not bow to these demands.
Lord Ahmad in UK threatened to unleash 10,000 muslim rioters on Parliament if Geert Wilders was allowed in to UK to speak. Now we are seeing ‘muslim patrols’ questioning those whom they think are gay, have skirts that are too short, are carrying beer etc. in areas where there is a high Islamic demographic. Give them an inch etc. etc.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 12:26 pm
MT_Tinman: If the price is right they will live there. If it’s the only accommodation and they have little choice, they will live there. Doesn’t mean that we should encourage it, and especially not our town planners. Why plan to build a ready-made slum from new?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 12:32 pm
the scam is way past the point of it being proven its fucken happening and yet you continue to hold views from guys like James Taylor.
Hey, don’t be dissing James Taylor. I love his folksy, acoustic-guitar-driven music
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Question: are you tolerant of homosexuals or gay marriage? Then really, you don’t agree with either, as we only tolerate things we don’t agree with, as one author points out –
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 12:36 pm
http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/8331526/Morgans-attack-on-cats-extends-to-SPCA-staff
“Ms Stephens, who roared up to the meeting in her Makara Cattery-emblazoned car, said possums were a far worse problem than cats, and Dr Morgan should focus on bigger issues.
“I don’t get this guy, doesn’t he have anything better to do? Why doesn’t he go save the whales? We all like birds but these cats – I’ve been in the business nine years and they’re like little people in fur coats . . . they feel like people, they die like people. This guy is crazy.” ”
I laughed until I cried
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 12:37 pm
Over looking Griffs charming turns of phrase, he often claims that the majority of people support his increasingly marginalised following. Yet here he is claiming 75% of people are “screeching like fucked pigs… greedy fucks…denial nutjobs”
But what about the rest of the world ? Are they “”screeching like fucked pigs… greedy fucks…denial nutjobs”
only a few countries have signed on to extending Kyoto I, which FOCUS calls a “minimal compromise”. Only 37 of 194 countries signed on. That means the treaty is internationally non-binding.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 12:40 pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/darryltoon/5255661085/
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 12:43 pm
People act in ways of which you disapprove, Fletch. Welcome to adulthood. You eat meat? I disapprove. I tolerate you. Somehow I manage.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Griff (4,326) Says:
February 21st, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Nice conspiracy cartoon Griff. Do you think BIG OIL agents are monitoring your posts on KB ?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Ezette# “…..Probably something to do with lesbians and you know, lesbians are evil…”
Lesbians, mostly, are angry.
Ali Mua since she ‘came out’, has become more and more angry by the month – and it ain’t her period. [Maybe it is as there are now 2 periods in her house.
]
I believe the reason most lesbians get angry, firstly at everyone else, then eventually at each other, is due to their need of ‘strapon sex’. A strapon is a true replica of a penis.
As people know, lesbians don’t have a penis, but lesbians -true lesbians- shouldn’t need a replacement for a penis because they are lesbians: They like women – penisless people.
To be ‘fulfilled’ by a lesbian partner with a ‘strapon’ eventually dawns the realisation that it is insulting to the other lesbian: She is not really wanted at that moment of ‘need’. A penis is. That evil ‘man thing’.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 12:58 pm
The decimal places are redundant. Thought you should know.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Kea & Griff
You’re both wrong.
Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ykyv1civyhe5ke/climate%202.jpg
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Lol
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 1:13 pm
nasska, if God supported climate change he would have made the weather warmer and not left it static for the past 16 years. Doh !
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 1:17 pm
http://nzh.tw/10866829
Free education for prisoners in jails…that’s on top of free board and food.
Vote:No wonder the prisons are full!
February 21st, 2013 at 1:20 pm
“Genesis 8:22 that I use [in The Greatest Hoax] is that as long as the Earth remains there will be springtime, harvest, cold and heat, winter and summer, day and night. My point is, God’s still up there, and the arrogance of people who think that we, human beings, would be able to change what he is doing in the climate is to me outrageous.”
Vote:Senator James M. Inhofe .R.
February 21st, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Griff (4,327) Says:
February 21st, 2013 at 11:07 am
Griff is starting to sound more like (a late evening) bereal every day. He is having abusive melt downs fueled by intoxicants and has even started telling us all off, in expletive laden outbursts, for “thumbing him down”.
So much for his (self described) scientific logical super brain.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Thats right Megatron!
Vote:I was thinking of robbing a bank this afternoon to get some of that sweet Open Polytechnic action
February 21st, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Kea
It still beats the stuffing out of David Bain & God’s little crawlers telling us how to live our lives.
Bring back Griff!
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 1:48 pm
Bring back he who must not be named!
Vote:……….eh…….
February 21st, 2013 at 1:48 pm
Griff
Because it highlights the rort – there is existing cheap energy, $40/MWH. The AGW industry wants to make it more than triple in cost to $140/MWH
Turd, you have the comprehension problem. I read and understood perfectly. Green energy is not currently cheaper – get that through your turd brain. It will only be cheaper by artificially increasing the cost of coal and gas generation. As for ‘the usual sources of misinformation’
I referred to a report by the Australian Productivity Commission:
http://www.pc.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/109921/13-carbon-prices-appendixd.pdf
And an article from The Australian.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/power-bills-high-but-wholesale-prices-low/story-e6frg6nf-1226307710489
You on the other hand published a study by Bloomberg New Energy Finance, who are profiting significantly from the AGW industry. In 8 years they’ve grown from a few staff in one office to over 200 staff around the world. What possible motivation could they have for publishing anything that doesn’t promote AGW alarm and the renewables industry?
As Kea asked, and you avoided answering (like a climate scientologist dodging an FOI request) – how would they make money if AGW wasn’t seen to be a problem?
Turd.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Harriet at 11.45 am listed some survey results including:
“In Britain, a survey last month showed that the public regard immigration as the biggest issue facing British society.”
No indication yet who did the survey, what the questions were and how it was run.
A survey has just been published about what warries New Zealanders about the world, with very different reults:
That matches what some say here.
No mention of immigration, religion or marriage equality there.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Hear hear !!
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 2:09 pm
New plants right now
Wing nuts.
Vote:If you build in coal cost more
We are using more and more power
We need to build new plants
Even without the carbon huha
The price of new wind generation per kwh is cheaper than coal
It will also be harder to finance new coal plants as the banks will factor in the long term risk of investment in a sunset industry.
Go look up how much coal the USA and Australia use for electrical generation.
These plants will need replacing as they age as well new capacity built due to rising demand.
It is cheaper to build new generation capacity in wind according to Bloomberg http://www.bloomberg.com/ are they ripping us of in this hoax?
As well as
Lloyds http://www.lloyds.com/news-and-insight/risk-insight/reports/climate-change/climate-change-and-security
The epa http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/basics/
The science academy http://nas-sites.org/americasclimatechoices/new-resources-about-climate-change/
The Australian government http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/Browse_by_Topic/ClimateChange/effects/Security
All in on your conspiracy?
It gets bigger by the day
February 21st, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Solar will get cheaper because of improvements in efficiency and decreases in cost. This has been happening for 30 years and it has been happening at an exponential rate. Solar power is on an exponential growth curve and like many examples of exponential growth before it people will underestimate its influence until it is ubiquitous and taken for granted, just as the internet is today.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 2:18 pm
As crook as his father: http://michellemalkin.com/2013/02/20/jesse-jackson-jr-guilty/
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 2:28 pm
..but we will set aside another 30 million for you on top of the billions and billions you have already extorted
..http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8334846/Government-turns-down-Maori-spectrum-claim
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Griff, Weihana. Two words:
Shale gas
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 2:38 pm
“As people know, lesbians don’t have a penis, but lesbians -true lesbians- shouldn’t need a replacement for a penis because they are lesbians: They like women – penisless people.
To be ‘fulfilled’ by a lesbian partner with a ‘strapon’ eventually dawns the realisation that it is insulting to the other lesbian: She is not really wanted at that moment of ‘need’. A penis is. That evil ‘man thing’”
insulting?
maybe one chick finds it hot to strap on a big black cock and pound the hell out of her gf?
Dime has watched enough lesbian porn to know strap ons are hot
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Absolute rubbish. Even with the AGW inspired punitive taxes placed on coal and the massive taxper subsidies for wind, there is no comparison. Many of the taxes are hidden, as the alarmists know full well. that another wind mill would never be built if the public knew the true cost of the electricity.
As I have previously posted, enormous oil reserves have been located all over the world recently, along with gas. There is no shortage and we have not even started on the resourses in the Antartic yet.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Pete, is there any point in comparing what worries New Zealand about the world, with what worries the British about their own country?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Good to see a line being drawn here:
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 2:48 pm
I have failed to answer your question because you are playing chicken and egg.
Your logic is because we spend money on researching a problem the scientist are corrupted.
This ignores the fact that the green house effect was documented a while ago in 1890 or so. Science has continued to build on this early work.
Scientific theory postulated the rising green house effect of co2 before we started looking at the evidence.
Surprisingly enough the evidence contained in both the temperature record and in the world around us points to this being true.
Early projections are still accurate in what is a new and evolving science.
Climate science does not only involve climate scientist it involves all the hard sciences. are they all corrupt the 30,000 plus scientists?
You propose that spending money to explore this very real risk is wasted. To me that smacks strongly of ostrich behavior.
That or major Luddite anti science thoughts.
Lets debate your conspiracy.
All the agency’s and governments and industry’s involved. how are they sucked in? are guys like James Taylor from heartland or A Watts smarter than all the people in these organizations or are they all corrupted by money?
Who plans this massive hoax?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 2:50 pm
James Stephenson – is there any point in comparing what worries a few people on paranoic web sites with what isn’t a problem in New Zealand?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 2:53 pm
I imagine Harriet was talking about this survey:
http://www.britishfuture.org/publication/state-of-the-nation-2013/
Carried out by the thinktank British Future, entitled “State of the Nation: Where is Bittersweet Britain Heading?”. British Future describe themselves as “an independent, non-partisan thinktank seeking to involve people in an open conversation, which addresses people’s hopes and fears about identity and integration, migration and opportunity, so that we feel confident about Britain’s future.” They are a not-for-profit organisation, and their sources of funding are listed on the website if you’re interested.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 2:57 pm
If one has any interest in learning from others’ mistakes and avoiding repeating them, yes.
Here’s your survey: http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/migobs/Public%20Opinion-Overall%20Attitudes%20and%20Level%20of%20Concern.pdf
Or it could be that one graham has above
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Hmm … the University of Oxford, James? Definitely a “paranoic web site”.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 3:10 pm Vote:
February 21st, 2013 at 3:12 pm
They are not sucked in Griff. You are.
“only a few countries have signed on to extending Kyoto I, which FOCUS calls a “minimal compromise”. Only 37 of 194 countries signed on. That means the treaty is internationally non-binding.”
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 3:21 pm
LOL, unlike you, Harriet? Always calm and collected, aren’t you now?
Vote:Mention “gay” here and your can see your veins throbbing.
February 21st, 2013 at 3:27 pm
I don’t know if there would be high levels of opposition to immigrants here (quite possibly) but there would be significant numbers who have similar concerns here.
But I’d be surprised if it was a common “most important issue’ here, it didn’t figure at all in the New Zealand survey.
It’s funny, because (albeit in quite different historical situations) both Britain and New Zealand consist mostly of immigrants.
Is it common that once imigrants are in they don’t want any other bugger to have the same opportunity?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 3:43 pm
Bravo, New Zealand First shows some gumption. ( a first time for everything)
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/nz-first-mp-drafts-bill-ban-street-prostitution-5348112
This would appear to be a major step in the right direction since the Prostitution Reform Bill which was brought in
by Labours gay MP from Christchurch, whose name escapes me for the moment, the bloke who has since thankfully
buggered off back to the UK.
Legalising street prostitition was a step that ranked as almost as stupid as Phil Goffs effort to legalise sex
Vote:between adults and 12 year olds.
February 21st, 2013 at 3:48 pm
If we didn’t have immigration we would have a population probl;em (the Greens might like it).
Population would be dropping drastically without immigration.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 3:53 pm
His name is Tim Barnett and he was “married” to an Anglican Vicar who is currently, I believe, a guest of her majesty for embezzeling several hundred thousand dollars from AUT
You couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried.
And he is back, he is currently secretary general of the New Zealand Labour Party so I’m told
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 3:57 pm
“Early projections are still accurate in what is a new and evolving science.”
Projections of 0.3 deg C per decade are considered accurate when actual was < 0.18 deg C per decade, even below the lower limit of the uncertainty range?
"Climate science does not only involve climate scientist it involves all the hard sciences. "
Vote:You mean like geoscientists and engineers?
February 21st, 2013 at 4:04 pm
You’re right about one thing Andrei, you couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried.
i see Barnett was, in the interim, before returning to ‘work’ for Labour, working to help contain Aids.
His success may be measured by the fact that 1 in 20 male homosexuals in New Zealand is now infected
Vote:with aids. ( i refrained from using the term ‘riddled’ to avoid causeing offence to any of the poor sods who are now carriers.)
February 21st, 2013 at 4:26 pm
As usual right now a cherry pick
you forgot to add the range of there prediction not just the highpoint
Since IPCC’s first report in 1990, assessed projections have suggested global average temperature increases between about 0.15°C and 0.3°C per decade for 1990 to 2005. This can now be compared with observed values of about 0.2°C per decade, strengthening confidence in near-term projections. {1.2, 3.2}
Mann you know the actual scientist not a lawyer from heartland says
The trends for the period 1984 to 2012 (the 1984 date chosen because that is when these projections started), scenario B has a trend of 0.29+/-0.04ºC/dec (95% uncertainties, no correction for auto-correlation). For the GISTEMP and HadCRUT4, the trends are 0.18 and 0.17+/-0.04ºC/dec respectively. For reference, the trends in the CMIP3 models for the same period have a range 0.21+/-0.16 ºC/dec (95%).
As discussed in Hargreaves (2010), while this simulation was not perfect, it has shown skill in that it has out-performed any reasonable naive hypothesis that people put forward in 1988 (the most obvious being a forecast of no-change). However, concluding much more than this requires an assessment of how far off the forcings were in scenario B. That needs a good estimate of the aerosol trends, and these remain uncertain. This should be explored more thoroughly, and I will try and get to that at some point.
Seems the effect of china burning all the coal was not projected in 1984
still I really are bored with links to claim and counter claim
Vote:I would much rather explore your conspiracy theory
Is the government using chem trials to heat the atmosphere to produce warming so they can keep the myth going?
February 21st, 2013 at 4:39 pm
By all means… but shale gas is always going to be limited in supply. Solar energy on the other hand is abundant and no matter how many wells you find it isn’t going to keep pace with exponential progress in the ability to harness that abundant solar energy. Solar Power may only account for 1% of global energy production at present but in exponential terms that’s halfway to 100%. Of course you might say that exponential progress will not go on forever. People have been saying that about computers for a long time as well.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 5:01 pm
“As usual right now a cherry pick”
Yes, I cherry picked the first IPCC assessment report from all the possible “Early projections”. Would James Hansen’s 1988 predictions have been a better option? Let me know, I’d be delighted to point out how well that’s worked out
“you forgot to add the range of there prediction not just the highpoint”
did you miss this: “even below the lower limit of the uncertainty range“?
Range of prediction: 0.2 to 0.5 deg C per decade. Observed: <0.18 deg C per decade.
Turd.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Weihana (2,873) Says:
February 21st, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Intel has been stalled for the last two years Weihana, Moore’s law has plateaued, so far they have been stuck in the “I” series and just making them smaller. I think the next series is a 14 nm chip. AMD is the only one that tried to innovate with a new design but it was put out with the idea that programming will go parallel, well in some ways it has yet the majority is still single thread.
Their not getting faster, just smaller with the illusion of being fast. There is the spin machines but even they are new kids on the block and no one can afford one of those babies.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 5:10 pm
180 new cases a year, including heterosexual Kiwis. 180 cases a year since 1985 would make 4,860 cases, including heterosexuals, assuming none had died. 4,860 times 20 is 97,200.
Even if every case was gay, you really think only 2.5% of the population of New Zealand is gay?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Harriet,
Vote:I think PG is a closet muslim like Hillary Clinton , Prince Charles etc Hilary Clinton has a muslim girlfriend who calls all the shots..the scary thing is many Americans seem to like Clinton.
Tim Barnett immigrated to NZ partly on the strength of his Anglican b/friends position in CHCH..They parted , then he married a Maori guy in a civil union..I think he worked for the UN after he left NZ..must be a good mate of Helen’s. He was really prissy before he left about not getting to be Mayor of CHCH.
February 21st, 2013 at 5:43 pm
“I would much rather explore your conspiracy theory”
Griff, last time I checked it was you claiming the following:
1. BIG OIL & the “Carbon Industry” [chuckle] are conducting a dangerous global “experiment”.
2. Evil BIG business is paying scientists to spread misinformation about the terrible truth.
3. Life as we know it is about to end, unless we” believe” in AGW.
4. People who tell the truth, have been “got to” by BIG OIL.
Yet you call those of us who observe the total lack of climate change and comment upon it “nutters, fuckwits, conspirawackies, ” and so on.
You have lost yourself. Clearly.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 5:56 pm
Weihana told the follow lies:
This is where we are at after your claimed 30 years of exponential growth:
“Industrial Policy: Another stimulus-backed solar panel maker, one the president touted in a weekly radio address, is filing for bankruptcy. The administration’s green-energy efforts continue to grow a deeper shade of red.
After receiving some $70 million in federal loans, Abound Solar, a Colorado-based firm that was developing thin-film solar panels, has announced it will follow an earlier Obama administration green energy failure, Solyndra, into bankruptcy.”
Even with BILLIONS of dollars of tax payers money thrown at them, solar power companies are going broke. You must really think people are stupid to believe your nonsense claim. A few seconds of “google” searching will show you up.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Energy News
CHINA & INDIA ARE BUILDING 4 NEW COAL POWER PLANTS – EVERY WEEK
Date: 14/11/12Peter Galuszka, The New York Times
Global demand for coal is expected to grow to 8.9 billion tons by 2016 from 7.9 billion tons this year. China is expected to add about 160 new coal-fired plants to the 620 operating now, within four years. During that period, India will add more than 46 plants.
I wonder why they don’t use that cheap and wonderful solar power Weihana
liedtalked about ? Maybe they don’t have the technology… well think again hippies:China’s solar module manufacturing capacity (supply) has exploded following the 2008 global financial crisis. During the ensuing economic difficulties, the Chinese government targeted the solar panel manufacturing industry as part of its stimulus. At first glance, the policy was perfect. Demand for renewable energy sources was increasing due to environmental concerns while generous government subsidies in the EU and U.S. were boosting both household and corporate demand for PV panels. Funds were poured into the solar sector in China, and companies such as Suntech, LDK and Yingli were happy to borrow.
Sorry eco nuts. China is flat out building coal fired power plants, then using some of that cheap reliable energy to make solar panels for the white middles classes in the West. You got to love that
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 6:21 pm
Intel has been stalled for the last two years Weihana
Azeraph did you know Berkshire Hathaway has recently sold down its entire stake in Intel?
On the Solid Energy issue, I find it quite rich that the lefties wept and wailed and rended their clothes over the disgwaceful twavesty of Solid Energy selling its world-class A-grade Coking Coal to China, and yet when it announces it’s in serious financial trouble, the very same lefties leap into the fray with strident
Vote:criticismbullshit about how the hated tory Ministers have stood by while the poor widdle Solid Energy victim desperately stwuggled to survive.February 21st, 2013 at 6:24 pm
True, but Moore’s law never referred to speed specifically, it referred to the number of transistors you could fit on an integrated circuit. This has not stalled and will continue at least until about 2020. Of course it will end as this law pushes up against physical limits but it has always been the case that 10 years or so in the future you can point to some technical hurdle and suggest that those are the limits of progress because that represents the limits of what we know at that point in time.
Moreover, the integrated circuit itself is merely one type of processor and before that we had single transistors, vacuum tubes and relays. The exponential growth of computing power represents a trend of over 100 years over multiple types of technology. A 2 year trend isn’t particularly significant in that context and even if the progress slows over the next 10 years there are multiple technologies in the making, from molecular circuitry to quantum computing that will continue the exponential growth longer term.
Also, regarding speed keep in mind that the most powerful computer in existence, the human mind, is much slower than modern computers in terms of processing speed, yet it’s exceptionally parallel architecture (however it works) makes it more powerful than any computer in existence and only the most advanced supercomputers today are even approaching its raw computational power.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 6:33 pm
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/03/16/smaller-cheaper-faster-does-moores-law-apply-to-solar-cells/
It is not my claim, it is simply a fact. But what you are failing to understand is that the bankruptcy of stimulus backed companies simply reflects the governments inability to pick winners in the marketplace, it does not negate or undermine the accelerating returns from the technology itself. The ability to predict technological progress from exponential trends does not imply one is able to predict which specific companies or individuals will achieve that progress any more than one can predict the specific path of a particle within a gas.
The government is unwise to make investments in specific companies trying to predict who will win in the marketplace. It is better suited to more fundamental research such as the human genome project or the recently announced brain mapping project.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 6:39 pm
the human mind, is much slower than modern computers in terms of processing speed
Weihana have a look at this: Brain wiring model from one of the world’s most powerful brain scanners.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21489097
http://www.humanconnectome.org/
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Some days I read the threads carefully for interest and to keep my mind open to a wide range of ideas. And score on how well an issue is presented.
But WTF, it’s Friday, I’m tired, I’m bored, so Griff, Andrei & PG automatically get downers for taking themselves too seriously. (chuckles gleefully)
BTW, Nasska, I miss your jokes
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Hi Ryan,
i wouldn’t argue with your maths. @ 5.10
Neither would i be suprised that the actual % of males who are gay is around 2.5%
The % rate is not the issue.
As far as i am aware, the true rate is still unknown, i don’t care what it is.
The suggested % rate has varied from at least 10% ( a figure doubtless promoted by a gay advocate of some sort )
to the 2.5% you mention.
This crap of fixating on the percentage probably started with that deviant Kinsey and is really meaningless.
We all accept that some people are gay and there is nothing wrong with that.
It’s not a choice that people make.
i was commenting on what in my opinion was a mistake that was made in this country to legalise street
prostitution. It happened to be promoted by a homosexual MP Barnett
If you look at the reasons put forward to promote that perverse decision they are almost ludicrous.
See for eg the quote from the president of the prostitutes collective or whatever she calls herself.
If street prostitution was prohibited and confined to brothels there would be far fewer desperate kids, drug addicts,
aids carriers , etc. plying their bodies for a few meagre dollars on the streets such as around Hunters Corner in Papatoetoe in Auckland for example.
If it was not so easy for them to get money that way they would have more incentive to change their lifestyles.
Legalised street soliciting does nothing to reduce the spread of aids.
The argument that if it were illegal it would reduce the use of condoms is silly.
Can you dispute that ?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Weihana, predictions are not reality. You are falling into the trap Griff has with his beloved climate “models”. You claimed 30 years of exponential growth, yet large scale solar energy is not commercially viable today.
I agree. It is especially unwise if those companies intend to produce economically viable solar power (a thing that does not exist). The trouble is those solar power companies will not exist without enormous govt funding, simply because they are not profitable. If they were a viable undertaking then there would be no need for govt assistance at all. This is the true state of alternative energy today. Maybe it will improve in the future, but it does not look good for solar even in the long term. Sad but true.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Some very recent Coal finds:
‘Huge coal reserves found in Badin district after Thar’
Karachi: After Thar, the coal reserves of approximately 1.785 billion tonnes have been discovered in Badin district
Wednesday, 11 Jan 2012
According to Mr Zeng Xiaogang head of the Bureau of Geology and Mineral Resources in the Chinese autonomous region of Xinjiang, in 2011 a total of 13 new coal deposits were discovered in the region, amounting to an aggregate of 130.7 billion tonnes of new coal reserves.
And so it goes, on & on…
Do not expect the the worlds two biggest countries to start building wind mills or using solar panels any time soon. (not that the sun will even get through the pollution, from all those coal plants ! )
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 7:02 pm
S S AND S,
Not good enough, smack a sniveling socialist on the hooter, then it becomes a win win
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 7:06 pm
WHO IS REALLY RUNNING AUCKLAND COUNCIL???
IN WHOSE INTERESTS????
21 February 2013
(Forwarded, in the public interest by fellow ‘anti-corruption’ /’whistle-blower’ ‘Public Watchdog’ – Penny Bright, with the authority of Grace Haden, including minor typographical and grammatical corrections).
“Defamatory email from Bruce Thomas. (Manager of Auckland Council ‘Democracy Services’) for the attention and action of Bruce Thomas for which I am seeking attention and action from elected members.”
“Thank you for taking the time to talk to me Stephanie , I am sending this to you and also to Bruce , I am uncertain as to where my emails go.
I have had an email forwarded on to me by sympathetic recipient of an email sent by Bruce Thomas Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 201311:02 a.m.. The email purports to be a copy of an email addressed to Gary Osborne and discusses me.
It was addressed To: GRP AC All Local Board Members
Bruce, since this discusses me I would urgently like a copy to be sent to me l directly, along with any instructions and communications which you have had from other members of council, elected or otherwise.
I request this information under urgency, under both LGOIMA and the Privacy Act.
I would also like to seek a retraction in terms of section 25 Defamation Act and part of this I believe should entitle me to address the councillors and local board members to explain the situation which non-elected members appear to be very keen to keep the lid on .
The issue I have tried to raise is serious corruption as defined by the United Nations Convention Against Corruption – is use of public office for private pecuniary gain where a previous manager of dog control contracted to himself as fictitious organisation called Animal Welfare Institute of New Zealand (AWINZ )
I am a former police prosecutor and long serving Police Officer .
Alf Filipina and I worked together in Otahuhu .
This is extremely political, and I believe the tip of the ice berg with regards to corruption in Council. The elected members are the rate payers representatives. I have evidence that our rates have been used by Council employees for self-enrichment and that other non-elected members have gone to all lengths to keep this from the Councillors.
I welcome any Councillors to contact me directly . I have a ton of evidence that Council resources were being used for private pecuniary gain. I am not in ‘contempt of Court ‘and in reality have action before the Court to have the whole matter over-turned because the decision was obtained through lies to the court which are proved through the documents later obtained from Council and MAF.
It has to be of note that neither Mr Wells nor Ms Hoadley have taken ‘contempt’ action against me, nor have they taken fresh defamation action because everything I say is backed with a raft of evidence. The tricks they used for their first victory is now under review by the Court. I can quite safely say that it is my honest opinion they have used the Court to pervert the course of justice . Their lawyers are Brookfields who happen to be closely associated with Council , and counsel for Council.
New Zealand has not ratified the UN Convention Against Corruption and if Councillors don’t want to learn from serious corruption which has occurred in the Council then the rate payers will only stand to pay more and get less while Council employees look after their own personal interests.
It is election year. Let’s see which Councillors care about corruption and who are prepared to remain silent because an employee ‘spun them a story’.
I also await a response to my LGOIMA addressed to you Bruce 11/2/2013
I also ask for the block to be taken off the telephone system I cannot contact any one in Council through the telephone system , I am always put on to answer phoes and calls are never returned.
Regards
Grace Haden
VeriSure
Vote:Because truth matters “
February 21st, 2013 at 7:08 pm
Kacang – your joke is a good substitute for Nasska’s.
Vote:It’s Thurday.
February 21st, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Here’s another joke, sorry Kacang, I laughed more at this one.
joana at 5.10 pm
I’ve been accused of being a lot of things but this is the first time I’ve been likened to Hilary Clinton and Prince Charles. I’m not quite in the same league as (apparently) Clinton, I don’t know any Muslims.
It’s more likely joana and Harriet are trying to stir up Muslim sympathy, they comment about Islam much more than me.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 7:30 pm
Pete – joana is a good source of eccentric commentary, alright.
Vote:Never more so than when she claimed in all seriousness that John Key has something called japanese “dead eyes.”
February 21st, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Nutter Alert.
Who is really running Auckland City Council?
Well we may not be happy with what we have, but we sure as shit are happy about who we do not have running the Auckland City Council
Attendee: Glenfield Trolley Derby 1986, I got trollied real bad
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Will there even be a job for Chauvel, or for that matter Hulun?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/02/20/us-other-nations-quietly-maneuvering-to-rein-in-sprawling-inefficient-un-system/?test=latestnews
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 7:52 pm
When reading any of Penny’s writings, or observing her actions, we must remember one very important thing:
She does not necessarily believe what she says. You cannot believe that she is sincere.
For Penny, the prime motivation is definitively NOT to get her message out there. Think about it. If this was really her intention, would she act in such a way as to bring ridicule, scorn and pity upon herself? After all, ask anybody about Penny Bright and they may well say “Who?” But remind them of the shameful and embarrassing spectacle observed in Aotea Square when a certain lady was observed howling, squawking, abusing, and ultimately being taken away as much for her own protection as anything else, and you will see the spark of recognition, followed by scorn or possibly pity, enter their eyes. Mention that she was the lady who stood for public election, and then willfully vandalised the billboards of her opponent, and they will understand who you are talking about.
Would someone who is supposedly such an experienced activist, who claims to be so politically aware, deliberately act in such a way as to guarantee that any message she might have will inevitably be overshadowed by her bizarre antics – if she truly cared about getting the message out there? I really don’t think so.
The prime motivation for Penny, obviously, is to gain attention. That’s all. I’m no medical person, but surely this is a classic case of narcissism. Using other people without considering the cost of doing so; pretending to be more important than they really are; claiming to be an expert in various areas; and if you go through Hotchkiss’ seven deadly sins of narcissism, Penny ticks virtually every box.
Penny is not to be sneered at or insulted. She is to be pitied, for the lengths she will go to in order to effectively plead, “Look at me! Look at me!”
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 7:52 pm
Something for those who skipped sex education periods at college.
ef https://www.dropbox.com/s/9o1nkgiofn69m8c/comparing-types-of-birth-control.png
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 7:59 pm
San paku eyes are well known in New York , Japan , and mostly probably in Europe and Australia , but thanks for the compliment rodders..I do not mind being considered eccentric..It is more likely that I just read a lot more than you do..I first read about this concept about 25 years ago..
Vote:Why do you label someone who knows something you don’t know , eccentric? You need to read more. Oh and yes , Key is sick.
February 21st, 2013 at 7:59 pm
from yesterday evening –
Penny Bright
Anti-corruption campaigner’
2013 Auckland Mayoral Candidate
I would have thought that a principled person, not paying their rates to protest a point, would act to make that point within a reasonable time – say, at the outside two years – if only to emphasize how fucking useless the Auckland City council is in having ratepayers comply with the simplest first requirement – that they pay rates.
Someone who allows this position to exist for up to four years or longer is not acting in a principled manner displaying any integrity – rather they are as corrupt as those they claim to campaign against.
But then someone who responds to the comment –
”
Vote:“Pay your rates thieving bludging bloody mad woman.”
with -
“‘thedavincimode’ – you have NO idea how much you have made my day
indicates Penny Bright’s real motivation.
Do not fed the watchdog.
February 21st, 2013 at 8:00 pm
He tried the old “it’s not you, it’s me” line last night, but it didn’t work.
He also said, “I’ve been hurt before, it’s too soon,” but was ignored.
Prison’s going to be harder than the poor bugger thought.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:02 pm
David Farrar spotted jogging, downing an energy drink – http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/02/david-farrar-spotted-jogging-downing-an-energy-drink/
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:04 pm
And now for something different:
Today (21.02.13) I received a bill from Meridian Energy. It was dated 15.02.13. That’s six days.
I rang and asked them why such a delay – they blame NZ Post. And the thieving bastards have charged $5 for a service letter.
Now my bill was up to date with zero balance when I paid by Internet Banking on 13.02.13
This is of coarse part of a plan to milk more money.
Sooner Meridian is sold the better, get rid of the deadwood Public Servants
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Belief that Mr Bain should receive compensation was strongest among Maori Party voters (78 per cent). National Party supporters were least likely to agree to a payout (53 per cent).
National and Conservative Party voters were more inclined to believe Mr Bain was not wrongfully imprisoned. Younger people were more likely to agree that he deserves compensation.
This conclusion to a poll on compensation for Bain would surely indicate the question was not worth asking in the first place.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:08 pm
Probably. I prefer non-fiction.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Yvette:
Quite correct. Poor woman. Yet another sign of her desperate pleas to “Look at me! Look at me!”
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:18 pm
Of course not but it doesn’t mean a prediction is necessarily untrue. Your brain was made for predicting. It is what allowed our ancestors to outsmart competing predators in the wild so it is silly to dismiss predictions outright. There are limitations to what is predictable but the future is not categorically unpredictable. Moore’s law is but one example of the future being predictable decades in advance.
That is how science works, we model the world around us and test those models against reality. Newtons laws of motion, for instance, are just a model and as with any model they are only correct within the limits of the model. Does that therefore make them wrong?
Exponential growth always starts out almost imperceptibly slow until it explodes out of nowhere. The Internet is a classic example of this. In the 80s the notion that the world, in the very near future, would be so interconnected was fanciful precisely because intuition is linear and not exponential. In linear terms if you add 2 30 times you get to 60. However in exponential terms if you start with 2 and double it 30 times you end up with a billion. But halfway to a billion you are only at 32 thousand.
solar power is approaching parity with conventional sources very soon. I.e. The next ten years. In 20 it will be ubiquitous. Look at it this way. At least I’m not going to try and get the government to ban dirty energy because I believe the market will do that by itself. So you can have faith in those conventional sources of energy and I’ll have mine.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:31 pm
What makes Griffs models wrong is reality. Which is sort of my point. Reality is the test of the models and predictions. Some times those predictions and models are wrong. Newton based his models on observation, not models. He created the models from the observation.
I do not have “faith” in conventional energy, nor do I have a coal fired power plant. It is not about what I am doing. Truth be told I would lean more towards silly windmills and solar power if I had my way. But that is about being self sufficient, not running a commercial enterprise.
Other than that there is not much to disagree with in your post.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Newton’s Principia formulated the laws of motion and universal gravitation that dominated scientists’ view of the physical universe for the next three centuries. It also demonstrated that the motion of objects on the Earth and that of celestial bodies could be described by the same principles. By deriving Kepler’s laws of planetary motion from his mathematical description of gravity,Newton removed the last doubts about the validity of the heliocentric model of the cosmos.
That would be Newton using a model Luddite.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:45 pm
Weihana, I’m actually a bit partial to solar myself, it would be my preferred way of supplementing grid power with my own generation. Actually my preferred way would be micro-hydro, but I can’t see that happening while I’m living in the city, although I suspect one of my neighbours has hooked a hose up to a water turbine, since my water pressure has mysteriously dropped recently.
Anyway solar is limited the amount of energy coming from the sun. Current total solar irradiance is about 1367w/m^2 (e.g http://www.ukssdc.ac.uk/wdcc1/papers/grl.html#figure5) so even at 100% efficiency you’re never going to get more than that.
I agree the costs are coming down and the efficiency is getting up, personally I think it’s most suited to small scale installations like on houses, but it will always need a baseload backup method of generation. Battery technology just isn’t cutting it, and the chemicals and manufacturing processes involved (with battery production and disposal) negate much of the benefit.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:46 pm
“That would be Newton using a model Luddite.”
Except Newton validated his model against observations.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:48 pm
If Griff had a big enough Aircon unit, a huge hockey stick as a lever and enough corpses of you deniers to act as a fulcrum he could cool the world!
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:53 pm
You know what’s interesting? It’s not that the POTUS is gay, it’s that he doesn’t bother telling the voters about it so they can make an informed decision. Sounds like someone we used to know, doesn’t it.
http://theulstermanreport.com/2013/02/19/barack-obama-vacations-with-former-body-man-reggie-love/
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:56 pm
Our true future lies not in energy but in superconductive created materials that operate in any temperature. This will take time but it is starting to have some interest shown in it by major universities. These materials become energy transformers, so, if your car or house is partly made of this material, just what do you think you could turn it into?
It’s the last true frontier for us to conquer on planet based transportation.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:58 pm
Back to the its not warming theme
Take out el nino and solar forcing and volcanoes
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2006/2006_Hansen_etal_1.pdf
http://www.skepticalscience.com//images/ipcc_ar4_model_vs_obs.gif
0.16 degrees a decade.
Matches the modals
Climate denial modals however have a startling habit of being wrong.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Predictions_500.gif
Shall we look at climate denial ice extent predictions
http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Predictions1976-2011.png
dear dear climate denial does have a pathetic record when it comes to climate modling doesn’t it.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 8:59 pm
“or house is partly made of this material, just what do you think you could turn it into?”
Something that the power companies would pay you less for as more folk did it!!
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:01 pm
Until an efficient reliable storage system is developed for solar and wind energy, these systems will fail to fully realise their potential. There is no question that both wind and solar have their place in energy supply, but until the storage conundrum is resolved cost efficiencies will elude that market sector.
@paul east bay.
Vote:Sorry to disappoint you but I am not Kevin Hague the Green MP. We share a similar name but are miles apart philosophically.
February 21st, 2013 at 9:03 pm
You’d be “Kevin Holely-Normal then?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Kea,
Climate models are also based on observation and they are tested. They are not perfect but have some use. The ability to hind cast past climate for instance is an indicator of their usefulness. But I agree there is uncertainty. How to reconcile model tropospheric warming being greater than surface warming for instance raises questions about their accuracy.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:18 pm
This is the best time of KB. It’s like having the smoke after sex.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:23 pm
I prefer a dawnbreaker Johnboy
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:24 pm
That’s where KY Jelly can reduce the friction heaps JB.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:27 pm
Teachers, leave those kids alone.
Vote:12/2 = what?
It is that fucking simple
February 21st, 2013 at 9:31 pm
http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/12/effective-solar-energy-storage-system-developed/
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:32 pm
I got criticised this morning (see above) for blogging around.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Are you drunk ?
Or maybe your right, the fact they can predict something after the event, is an indicator of a the climate models usefulness. (Not very) But why do weathermen need a model to do that ?
Griff its past your bedtime, your getting cranky and too stoned. Go grab Karma and hit the hay.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Try lanolin instead of KY PG.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:36 pm
one a scumbag..always a scumbag..
http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8614941/wilson-recalled-to-prison
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:36 pm
evenin’..starboard..
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Awww c’mon pete. Man up. That wasn’t criticism. It was ridicule
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:44 pm
If only there was an efficient way to harness the energy used rooting. We could nationalise welfare mothers and they can be our new state power assets. Then we can do a partial sell-down. win-win
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:44 pm
Kea,
No not drunk….sadly
But past climate is an observation. I agree the usefulness of the test is limited as the data upon which the model is made is not entirely independent data set but it is not a pointless exercise.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:46 pm
If we can get around the storage problem then solar panels will become more viable. BUT so will all the other forms of energy generation. Solar will still be inefficient, by comparison, with today’s cost to energy ratios.
One very effective way to store energy is Coal & Oil . Best of all, they are organic and created by mother nature. 100% pure and natural.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:50 pm
“I agree the usefulness of the test is limited as the data upon which the model is made is not entirely independent data set but it is not a pointless exercise.”
It’s made somewhat pointless when the data is adjusted to fit the hypothesis.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:50 pm
“We could nationalise welfare mothers”……But the Murris would own more than 49% RightNow!
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:52 pm
..evenin’ rodders..hows the family..must catch up
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:58 pm
If that were the case then yes.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 9:58 pm
That’s ok Johnboy, they could have them all as full and final settlement under te tiriti. In fact it doesn’t even need to be final settlement, they’re a renewable resource!
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Kea,
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/03/16/smaller-cheaper-faster-does-moores-law-apply-to-solar-cells/
We will see. I’ll probably be on kiwiblog in ten years so if the exponential trend doesn’t continue because all the scientists and engineers fell asleep you can have a good laugh at my expense.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 10:07 pm
I think another form of organic energy we are failing to exploit is Dolphin and Whale blubber. The stupid things suicide by their hundreds anyway. They really are the morons of the aquatic world and have not even evolved enough to breath under water like everything else has. It will also cut down on predation, of our valuable fish stocks, by these evolutionary mistakes.
Other benefits of eliminating them include; reduced incidence of beard growing, less post menopausal women thinking they can have a connection with dolphins, millions of tons of co2 will not be liberated by flotillas of greeny ships, the Japs can go back to building decent cars, hippies will be more inclined to work…
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 10:12 pm
This is good: http://joannenova.com.au/2013/02/tophers-new-video-the-forbidden-history-of-terrible-taxes. Very clear. Every budding socialist should watch.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Weihana, a very informative link, thanks.
I liked this bit :
The numbers are staggering and surprising. In 88 minutes, the sun provides 470 exajoules of energy, as much energy as humanity consumes in a year. In 112 hours – less than five days – it provides 36 zettajoules of energy – as much energy as is contained in all proven reserves of oil, coal, and natural gas on this planet.
Do you know
Vote:Griffsome crazies actually discount the Sun as a factor in climate change ? They think burning a few lumps of coal or running down the shop in your car is the deciding factor. Crazy a ?February 21st, 2013 at 10:34 pm
“hippies will be more inclined to work…” – that’s where you jumped the shark.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 10:55 pm
Yay for gween energy huh Kea. A result of continuing the destructive and unscientific path to lowering CO2 for power production.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/9879442/Household-bills-likely-to-rise-sharply-as-Britain-comes-dangerously-near-energy-shortage.html
And things must be desperate (for ALARMISTS) if “National Geographic” has to stoop this low to find someone to discuss climate science.
“The National Geographic Science Blogs have added Dr. Peter Gleick to its roster of contributors despite the fact that he stole documents from The Heartland Institute in 2012, creating and disseminated a phony ‘memo’ to defame the 28-year-old, non-profit research organization.”
Vote:http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/protecting-global-warming-liars.html
February 21st, 2013 at 11:07 pm
New Global Warming Report: Scientists Lied to Australian Parliament
“Principia Scientific International is a self-sustaining community of impartial scientists from around the world deliberating, debating and publishing cutting-edge thinking on a range of issues without a preconceived idea of outcomes.”
http://principia-scientific.org/supportnews/latest-news/120-new-global-warming-report-scientists-lied-to-australian-parliament.html
And Andrew Bolt fisks the CAGW nutters
Vote:http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/in_the_faint_hope_that_emerson_has_an_open_mind/
February 21st, 2013 at 11:11 pm
With all that energy coming off the sun, it’s a wonder the Earth didn’t explode a million years ago! It’s almost as if something other than the sun has changed!
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:11 pm
Anyone conspiracists checkout the new google glasses set that will be available soon for i think $1500?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Gleick gets a new job and his old job back while Heartland lost major donors, board members and staff quit and has been reduced to selling t-shirts and coffee mugs. Too funny.
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:32 pm
The reason why we feel the need for more energy will be for the one reason we feel death approaching, Posterity. We feel an innate need to post video, comments, poetry, everything. In the hope of it being useful to someone else in a moment somewhere in the future. Surveillance 24/7 needs to be recorded somewhere, wi-fi everywhere. Online invoicing just after you have quoted a client you’ve worked in less than ten min’s. Apart from new housing, just what energy do we need?
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:38 pm
Gosh Ryan Sproull, For sure, your a smart guy. The earths climate is in constant change. Change is normal when your talking about climate. Do you know, for example, that the earth was covered in ice numerous times ?
In fact humans would not even be here if the earth did not go through warming cycles. Some cycles were so extreme that they melted most of the ice off the earth and allowed people to evolve. The amount of ice was huge, kilometers thick in places and it all went away. (this was before capitalism and America were invented). We are either in an Ice age or emerging from one. No one is quite sure, but with no temperature rise and increasing ice, I tend to think we are on the down hill slope to a new ice age. So do scientists it seems:
Climate Scientists Predicts a ‘Mini Ice Age’ in the Future Amid Evidence Of Sun’s Diminishing Acitivity
NASA’s prediction that the sun’s next 11-year activity phase or “Cycle 25: will be one of the weakest in centuries and is likely to decrease until 2100, has led some scientists to foresee a “mini ice age” in the future.
According to climate scientists, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a “grand minimum” in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.
Data issued recently by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit confirmed that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/291814/20120203/climate-scientists-predicts-mini-ice-age-future.htm#.USX4Ox2mgQh
Vote:February 21st, 2013 at 11:41 pm
Does this mean no more lies about Heartland getting all that money from BIG OIL and the non-existent( but scary sounding) “carbon industry” ?
Speaking of donors, how much funding does the IPCC get annually ?
Vote:February 22nd, 2013 at 12:09 am
http://what-is-is.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/expose-118-million-funneled-to-climate.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/feb/14/donors-trust-funding-climate-denial-networks
The secretive funding channel known as the Donors Trust patronised a host of conservative causes.
But climate was at the top of the list. By 2010, Donors Trust had distributed $118m to 102 thinktanks or action groups which have a record of denying the existence of a human factor in climate change, or opposing environmental regulations.
Recipients included some of the best-known thinktanks on the right. The American Enterprise Institute, which is closely connected to the Republican party establishment and has a large staff of scholars, received more than $17m in untraceable donations over the years, the record show.
But relatively obscure organisations did not go overlooked. The Heartland Institute, virtually unknown outside the small world of climate politics, received $13.5m from the Donors Trust.
Americans for Prosperity, the Tea Party group seen as the strike force of the conservative oil billionaire Koch Brothers, received $11m since 2002.
Levi Russell, spokesman for Americans for Prosperity, declined to comment on the importance of that support to the organisation. “We’re very grateful for each of the millions of activists and donors that make what we do possible,” he said in an email.
Vote:February 22nd, 2013 at 5:06 am
http://iaincarstairs.wordpress.com/2013/02/15/the-reality-of-chemical-spraying/
And here’s the Appleman chart, showing that permanent contrails were impossible that day whether at 20,000 or 30,000 feet. At 30,000′ the pressure was 304 and relative humidity 23%. But at 20,000 feet the temperature was only -21.5C with 30% relative humidity. The commercial planes at intervals throughout the day left at most a tiny white comma, and many times not even that: the trails were just not there. The only trails were left by jets which did not show up as civilian, commercial or private traffic. This conclusion isn’t open to debate, and it isn’t a theory – it is a fact which can be verified by anyone with an iPhone and at least one eye, and the ability to tilt the head skyward
Vote:February 22nd, 2013 at 6:07 am
It is not that much of a secret if you know about it and it is all over the internet climate conspiracy sites you frequent Grifffy.
Vote:February 22nd, 2013 at 6:16 am
Those of you who support the “free Syria” (Islamic extremists) rebels should check this out.
http://rt.com/news/syria-blast-explosion-damascus-201/
Vote:February 22nd, 2013 at 7:26 am
Kea, the original protests were from the people – the use of force against civilians led to the civil war.
The regime every decade or so uses the military to crush civilian protest and cower opposition and has routinely interfered in Lebanese politics – including terrorist acts/assassinations.
The Islamists fighting them are being armed (and paid) by Saudi Arabia. There is a Shia minority in the NE of SA near southern Iraq – now ruled by a Shia majority government with close links to Iran. This is part of the Saudi Arabia “Cold War” vs Shia Arab Moslems (Bahrain and Syria are the hot spots) under “Persian imperial influence”.
Most people are on the side of local democracy, not either tyranny. And notably it is Sunni Arab Islamists who resort to bombings (killing Shia in Iraq and Pakistan), with the exception of Syria (state) and their Hizbollah proxy in Lebanon (“armed gang” in the government of a state).
Vote:February 22nd, 2013 at 7:33 am
an amazing story of survival that had me crying this morning
Vote:http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8337075/Mothers-survival-against-the-odds
February 22nd, 2013 at 7:46 am
HB. I agree. A bloody tough story to read first thing in the morning. A sad day for Christchurch.
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