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		<title>By: RF</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_21_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1101005</link>
		<dc:creator>RF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HB.    I agree.  A bloody tough story to read first thing in the morning.   A sad day for Christchurch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HB.    I agree.  A bloody tough story to read first thing in the morning.   A sad day for Christchurch.</p>
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		<title>By: HB</title>
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		<dc:creator>HB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[an amazing story of survival that had me crying this morning
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8337075/Mothers-survival-against-the-odds]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>an amazing story of survival that had me crying this morning<br />
<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8337075/Mothers-survival-against-the-odds" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8337075/Mothers-survival-against-the-odds</a></p>
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		<title>By: SPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kea, the original protests were from the people - the use of force against civilians led to the civil war. 

The regime every decade or so uses the military to crush civilian protest and cower opposition and has routinely interfered in Lebanese politics - including  terrorist acts/assassinations.  

The Islamists fighting them are being armed (and paid) by Saudi Arabia. There is a Shia minority in the NE of SA near southern Iraq - now ruled by a Shia majority government with close links to Iran. This is part of the Saudi Arabia &quot;Cold War&quot; vs Shia Arab Moslems (Bahrain and Syria are the hot spots) under &quot;Persian imperial influence&quot;. 

Most people are on the side of local democracy, not either tyranny.  And notably it is Sunni Arab Islamists who resort to bombings (killing Shia in Iraq and Pakistan), with the exception of Syria (state) and their Hizbollah proxy in Lebanon (&quot;armed gang&quot; in the government of a state).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kea, the original protests were from the people &#8211; the use of force against civilians led to the civil war. </p>
<p>The regime every decade or so uses the military to crush civilian protest and cower opposition and has routinely interfered in Lebanese politics &#8211; including  terrorist acts/assassinations.  </p>
<p>The Islamists fighting them are being armed (and paid) by Saudi Arabia. There is a Shia minority in the NE of SA near southern Iraq &#8211; now ruled by a Shia majority government with close links to Iran. This is part of the Saudi Arabia &#8220;Cold War&#8221; vs Shia Arab Moslems (Bahrain and Syria are the hot spots) under &#8220;Persian imperial influence&#8221;. </p>
<p>Most people are on the side of local democracy, not either tyranny.  And notably it is Sunni Arab Islamists who resort to bombings (killing Shia in Iraq and Pakistan), with the exception of Syria (state) and their Hizbollah proxy in Lebanon (&#8220;armed gang&#8221; in the government of a state).</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those of you who support the &quot;free Syria&quot; (Islamic extremists) rebels should check this out. 

http://rt.com/news/syria-blast-explosion-damascus-201/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those of you who support the &#8220;free Syria&#8221; (Islamic extremists) rebels should check this out. </p>
<p><a href="http://rt.com/news/syria-blast-explosion-damascus-201/" rel="nofollow">http://rt.com/news/syria-blast-explosion-damascus-201/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The secretive funding  &lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is not that much of a secret if you know about it and it is all over the internet climate conspiracy sites you frequent Grifffy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The secretive funding  </p></blockquote>
<p>It is not that much of a secret if you know about it and it is all over the internet climate conspiracy sites you frequent Grifffy.</p>
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		<title>By: UglyTruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>UglyTruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://iaincarstairs.wordpress.com/2013/02/15/the-reality-of-chemical-spraying/

And here’s the Appleman chart, showing that permanent contrails were impossible that day whether at 20,000 or 30,000 feet. At 30,000′ the pressure was 304 and relative humidity 23%. But at 20,000 feet the temperature was only -21.5C with 30% relative humidity. The commercial planes at intervals throughout the day left at most a tiny white comma, and many times not even that: the trails were just not there.  The only trails were left by jets which did not show up as civilian, commercial or private traffic.  This conclusion isn’t open to debate, and it isn’t a theory – it is a fact which can be verified by anyone with an iPhone and at least one eye, and the ability to tilt the head skyward]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://iaincarstairs.wordpress.com/2013/02/15/the-reality-of-chemical-spraying/" rel="nofollow">http://iaincarstairs.wordpress.com/2013/02/15/the-reality-of-chemical-spraying/</a></p>
<p>And here’s the Appleman chart, showing that permanent contrails were impossible that day whether at 20,000 or 30,000 feet. At 30,000′ the pressure was 304 and relative humidity 23%. But at 20,000 feet the temperature was only -21.5C with 30% relative humidity. The commercial planes at intervals throughout the day left at most a tiny white comma, and many times not even that: the trails were just not there.  The only trails were left by jets which did not show up as civilian, commercial or private traffic.  This conclusion isn’t open to debate, and it isn’t a theory – it is a fact which can be verified by anyone with an iPhone and at least one eye, and the ability to tilt the head skyward</p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://what-is-is.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/expose-118-million-funneled-to-climate.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/feb/14/donors-trust-funding-climate-denial-networks
The secretive funding channel known as the Donors Trust patronised a host of conservative causes.

But climate was at the top of the list. By 2010, Donors Trust had distributed $118m to 102 thinktanks or action groups which have a record of denying the existence of a human factor in climate change, or opposing environmental regulations.

Recipients included some of the best-known thinktanks on the right. The American Enterprise Institute, which is closely connected to the Republican party establishment and has a large staff of scholars, received more than $17m in untraceable donations over the years, the record show.

But relatively obscure organisations did not go overlooked. The Heartland Institute, virtually unknown outside the small world of climate politics, received $13.5m from the Donors Trust.

Americans for Prosperity, the Tea Party group seen as the strike force of the conservative oil billionaire Koch Brothers, received $11m since 2002.

Levi Russell, spokesman for Americans for Prosperity, declined to comment on the importance of that support to the organisation. &quot;We&#039;re very grateful for each of the millions of activists and donors that make what we do possible,&quot; he said in an email.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://what-is-is.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/expose-118-million-funneled-to-climate.html" rel="nofollow">http://what-is-is.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/expose-118-million-funneled-to-climate.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/feb/14/donors-trust-funding-climate-denial-networks" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/feb/14/donors-trust-funding-climate-denial-networks</a><br />
The secretive funding channel known as the Donors Trust patronised a host of conservative causes.</p>
<p>But climate was at the top of the list. By 2010, Donors Trust had distributed $118m to 102 thinktanks or action groups which have a record of denying the existence of a human factor in climate change, or opposing environmental regulations.</p>
<p>Recipients included some of the best-known thinktanks on the right. The American Enterprise Institute, which is closely connected to the Republican party establishment and has a large staff of scholars, received more than $17m in untraceable donations over the years, the record show.</p>
<p>But relatively obscure organisations did not go overlooked. The Heartland Institute, virtually unknown outside the small world of climate politics, received $13.5m from the Donors Trust.</p>
<p>Americans for Prosperity, the Tea Party group seen as the strike force of the conservative oil billionaire Koch Brothers, received $11m since 2002.</p>
<p>Levi Russell, spokesman for Americans for Prosperity, declined to comment on the importance of that support to the organisation. &#8220;We&#8217;re very grateful for each of the millions of activists and donors that make what we do possible,&#8221; he said in an email.</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Gleick gets a new job and his old job back while Heartland lost major donors, board members and staff quit and has been reduced to selling t-shirts and coffee mugs. Too funny.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Does this mean no more lies about Heartland getting all that money from BIG OIL and the non-existent( but scary sounding) &quot;carbon industry&quot; ?

Speaking of donors, how much funding does the IPCC get annually ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Gleick gets a new job and his old job back while Heartland lost major donors, board members and staff quit and has been reduced to selling t-shirts and coffee mugs. Too funny.</p></blockquote>
<p>Does this mean no more lies about Heartland getting all that money from BIG OIL and the non-existent( but scary sounding) &#8220;carbon industry&#8221; ?</p>
<p>Speaking of donors, how much funding does the IPCC get annually ?</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; It’s almost as if something other than the sun has changed!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Gosh Ryan Sproull, For sure, your a smart guy. The earths climate is in constant change. Change is normal when your talking about climate. Do you know, for example, that the earth was covered in ice numerous times ?

In fact humans would not even be here if the earth did not go through warming cycles. Some cycles were so extreme that they melted most of the ice off the earth and allowed people to evolve. The amount of ice was huge, kilometers thick in places and it all went away. (this was before capitalism and America were invented). We are either in an Ice age or emerging from one. No one is quite sure, but with no temperature rise and increasing ice, I tend to think we are on the down hill slope to a new ice age. So do scientists it seems:


&lt;b&gt; Climate Scientists Predicts a ‘Mini Ice Age’ in the Future Amid Evidence Of Sun’s Diminishing Acitivity&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;i&gt;NASA&#039;s prediction that the sun&#039;s next 11-year activity phase or &quot;Cycle 25: will be one of the weakest in centuries and is likely to decrease until 2100, has led some scientists to foresee a &quot;mini ice age&quot; in the future.

According to climate scientists, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a &quot;grand minimum&quot; in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.

Data issued recently by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit confirmed that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997. &lt;/i&gt;

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/291814/20120203/climate-scientists-predicts-mini-ice-age-future.htm#.USX4Ox2mgQh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> It’s almost as if something other than the sun has changed!</p></blockquote>
<p>Gosh Ryan Sproull, For sure, your a smart guy. The earths climate is in constant change. Change is normal when your talking about climate. Do you know, for example, that the earth was covered in ice numerous times ?</p>
<p>In fact humans would not even be here if the earth did not go through warming cycles. Some cycles were so extreme that they melted most of the ice off the earth and allowed people to evolve. The amount of ice was huge, kilometers thick in places and it all went away. (this was before capitalism and America were invented). We are either in an Ice age or emerging from one. No one is quite sure, but with no temperature rise and increasing ice, I tend to think we are on the down hill slope to a new ice age. So do scientists it seems:</p>
<p><b> Climate Scientists Predicts a ‘Mini Ice Age’ in the Future Amid Evidence Of Sun’s Diminishing Acitivity</b></p>
<p><i>NASA&#8217;s prediction that the sun&#8217;s next 11-year activity phase or &#8220;Cycle 25: will be one of the weakest in centuries and is likely to decrease until 2100, has led some scientists to foresee a &#8220;mini ice age&#8221; in the future.</p>
<p>According to climate scientists, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a &#8220;grand minimum&#8221; in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.</p>
<p>Data issued recently by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit confirmed that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997. </i></p>
<p><a href="http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/291814/20120203/climate-scientists-predicts-mini-ice-age-future.htm#.USX4Ox2mgQh" rel="nofollow">http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/291814/20120203/climate-scientists-predicts-mini-ice-age-future.htm#.USX4Ox2mgQh</a></p>
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		<title>By: Azeraph</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_21_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100974</link>
		<dc:creator>Azeraph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reason why we feel the need for more energy will be for the one reason we feel death approaching, Posterity. We feel an innate need to post video, comments, poetry, everything. In the hope of it being useful to someone else in a moment somewhere in the future. Surveillance 24/7 needs to be recorded somewhere, wi-fi everywhere. Online invoicing just after you have quoted a client you&#039;ve worked in less than ten min&#039;s. Apart from new housing, just what energy do we need?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason why we feel the need for more energy will be for the one reason we feel death approaching, Posterity. We feel an innate need to post video, comments, poetry, everything. In the hope of it being useful to someone else in a moment somewhere in the future. Surveillance 24/7 needs to be recorded somewhere, wi-fi everywhere. Online invoicing just after you have quoted a client you&#8217;ve worked in less than ten min&#8217;s. Apart from new housing, just what energy do we need?</p>
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		<title>By: cha</title>
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		<dc:creator>cha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gleick gets a new job and his old job back while Heartland lost major donors, board members and staff quit and has been reduced to selling t-shirts and coffee mugs. Too funny.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gleick gets a new job and his old job back while Heartland lost major donors, board members and staff quit and has been reduced to selling t-shirts and coffee mugs. Too funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Azeraph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Azeraph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone conspiracists checkout the new google glasses set that will be available soon for i think $1500?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone conspiracists checkout the new google glasses set that will be available soon for i think $1500?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Sproull</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_21_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100969</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Sproull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; Do you know Griff some crazies actually discount the Sun as a factor in climate change ? They think burning a few lumps of coal or running down the shop in your car is the deciding factor. Crazy a ? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

With all that energy coming off the sun, it&#039;s a wonder the Earth didn&#039;t explode a million years ago! It&#039;s almost as if something other than the sun has changed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Do you know Griff some crazies actually discount the Sun as a factor in climate change ? They think burning a few lumps of coal or running down the shop in your car is the deciding factor. Crazy a ? </p></blockquote>
<p>With all that energy coming off the sun, it&#8217;s a wonder the Earth didn&#8217;t explode a million years ago! It&#8217;s almost as if something other than the sun has changed!</p>
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		<title>By: axeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>axeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[New Global Warming Report: Scientists Lied to Australian Parliament

&quot;Principia Scientific International is a self-sustaining community of impartial scientists from around the world deliberating, debating and publishing cutting-edge thinking on a range of issues without a preconceived idea of outcomes.&quot;
http://principia-scientific.org/supportnews/latest-news/120-new-global-warming-report-scientists-lied-to-australian-parliament.html

And Andrew Bolt fisks the CAGW nutters :-)
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/in_the_faint_hope_that_emerson_has_an_open_mind/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Global Warming Report: Scientists Lied to Australian Parliament</p>
<p>&#8220;Principia Scientific International is a self-sustaining community of impartial scientists from around the world deliberating, debating and publishing cutting-edge thinking on a range of issues without a preconceived idea of outcomes.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://principia-scientific.org/supportnews/latest-news/120-new-global-warming-report-scientists-lied-to-australian-parliament.html" rel="nofollow">http://principia-scientific.org/supportnews/latest-news/120-new-global-warming-report-scientists-lied-to-australian-parliament.html</a></p>
<p>And Andrew Bolt fisks the CAGW nutters <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/in_the_faint_hope_that_emerson_has_an_open_mind/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/in_the_faint_hope_that_emerson_has_an_open_mind/</a></p>
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		<title>By: axeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>axeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yay for gween energy huh Kea. A result of continuing the destructive and unscientific path to lowering CO2 for power production.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/9879442/Household-bills-likely-to-rise-sharply-as-Britain-comes-dangerously-near-energy-shortage.html

And things must be desperate (for ALARMISTS) if &quot;National Geographic&quot; has to stoop this low to find someone to discuss climate science.

&quot;The National Geographic Science Blogs have added Dr. Peter Gleick to its roster of contributors despite the fact that he stole documents from The Heartland Institute in 2012, creating and disseminated a phony &#039;memo&#039; to defame the 28-year-old, non-profit research organization.&quot;
http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/protecting-global-warming-liars.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay for gween energy huh Kea. A result of continuing the destructive and unscientific path to lowering CO2 for power production.<br />
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/9879442/Household-bills-likely-to-rise-sharply-as-Britain-comes-dangerously-near-energy-shortage.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/9879442/Household-bills-likely-to-rise-sharply-as-Britain-comes-dangerously-near-energy-shortage.html</a></p>
<p>And things must be desperate (for ALARMISTS) if &#8220;National Geographic&#8221; has to stoop this low to find someone to discuss climate science.</p>
<p>&#8220;The National Geographic Science Blogs have added Dr. Peter Gleick to its roster of contributors despite the fact that he stole documents from The Heartland Institute in 2012, creating and disseminated a phony &#8216;memo&#8217; to defame the 28-year-old, non-profit research organization.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/protecting-global-warming-liars.html" rel="nofollow">http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/protecting-global-warming-liars.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: RightNow</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_21_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100960</link>
		<dc:creator>RightNow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;hippies will be more inclined to work...&quot; - that&#039;s where you jumped the shark.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;hippies will be more inclined to work&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s where you jumped the shark.</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_21_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100956</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Weihana, a very informative link, thanks.

I liked this bit :

&lt;i&gt;The numbers are staggering and surprising. In 88 minutes, the sun provides 470 exajoules of energy, as much energy as humanity consumes in a year. In 112 hours – less than five days – it provides 36 zettajoules of energy – &lt;b&gt; as much energy as is contained in all proven reserves of oil, coal, and natural gas on this planet. &lt;/b&gt;  &lt;/i&gt;

Do you know &lt;strike&gt; Griff &lt;/strike&gt; some crazies actually discount the Sun as a factor in climate change ? They think burning a few lumps of coal or running down the shop in your car is the deciding factor. Crazy a ? ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weihana, a very informative link, thanks.</p>
<p>I liked this bit :</p>
<p><i>The numbers are staggering and surprising. In 88 minutes, the sun provides 470 exajoules of energy, as much energy as humanity consumes in a year. In 112 hours – less than five days – it provides 36 zettajoules of energy – <b> as much energy as is contained in all proven reserves of oil, coal, and natural gas on this planet. </b>  </i></p>
<p>Do you know <strike> Griff </strike> some crazies actually discount the Sun as a factor in climate change ? They think burning a few lumps of coal or running down the shop in your car is the deciding factor. Crazy a ? <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: krazykiwi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_21_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100954</link>
		<dc:creator>krazykiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is good: http://joannenova.com.au/2013/02/tophers-new-video-the-forbidden-history-of-terrible-taxes. Very clear. Every budding socialist should watch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good: <a href="http://joannenova.com.au/2013/02/tophers-new-video-the-forbidden-history-of-terrible-taxes" rel="nofollow">http://joannenova.com.au/2013/02/tophers-new-video-the-forbidden-history-of-terrible-taxes</a>. Very clear. Every budding socialist should watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/general_debate_21_february_2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100952</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think another form of organic energy we are failing to exploit is Dolphin and Whale blubber. The stupid things suicide by their hundreds anyway. They really are the morons of the aquatic world and have not even evolved enough to breath under water like everything else has. It will also cut down on predation, of our valuable fish stocks, by these evolutionary mistakes. 

Other benefits of eliminating them include; reduced incidence of beard growing,  less post menopausal women thinking they can have a connection with dolphins, millions of tons of co2 will not be liberated by flotillas of greeny ships, the Japs can go back to building decent cars, hippies will be more inclined to work...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think another form of organic energy we are failing to exploit is Dolphin and Whale blubber. The stupid things suicide by their hundreds anyway. They really are the morons of the aquatic world and have not even evolved enough to breath under water like everything else has. It will also cut down on predation, of our valuable fish stocks, by these evolutionary mistakes. </p>
<p>Other benefits of eliminating them include; reduced incidence of beard growing,  less post menopausal women thinking they can have a connection with dolphins, millions of tons of co2 will not be liberated by flotillas of greeny ships, the Japs can go back to building decent cars, hippies will be more inclined to work&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Weihana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weihana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kea,

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The cheapest solar modules, not yet on the market, have manufacturing costs under $1 per watt, making them contenders – when they reach the market – for breaking the 12 cents per Kwh mark.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/03/16/smaller-cheaper-faster-does-moores-law-apply-to-solar-cells/

We will see.  I&#039;ll probably be on kiwiblog in ten years so if the exponential trend doesn&#039;t continue because all the scientists and engineers fell asleep you can have a good laugh at my expense. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kea,</p>
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The cheapest solar modules, not yet on the market, have manufacturing costs under $1 per watt, making them contenders – when they reach the market – for breaking the 12 cents per Kwh mark.
</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/03/16/smaller-cheaper-faster-does-moores-law-apply-to-solar-cells/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/03/16/smaller-cheaper-faster-does-moores-law-apply-to-solar-cells/</a></p>
<p>We will see.  I&#8217;ll probably be on kiwiblog in ten years so if the exponential trend doesn&#8217;t continue because all the scientists and engineers fell asleep you can have a good laugh at my expense. <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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